From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #79 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, March 8 2002 Volume 11 : Number 079 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: da dum, da dum, da dumdumdum da dum... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] I'm at it again [steve ] Re; The war... ps [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: 100% triv ["Stewart C. Russell" ] It's goodbye from him... ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: 100% triv [Michael R Godwin ] Re: 100% triv ["matt sewell" ] Re: 100% triv [Michael R Godwin ] Neutral Milk Hotel alert! ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: It's goodbye from him... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: 100% triv [gSs ] Re: alphagreedabet [Miles Goosens ] Re: kick out the rutabagas! [Miles Goosens ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:48:57 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: da dum, da dum, da dumdumdum da dum... On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, James Dignan wrote: > I can't believe this conversation - Alice and I were discussing this very > series in the car yesterday. More to the point, we were discussing how > 80s-present day sitcoms usually start with a normal premise that gets out > of hand (Home Improvement, for instance, or Frasier), but 60s sitcoms had > premises that were barking before the show even started ("I dream of > Jeannie", "Mr Ed", "My favourite Martian"). You're forgetting my all-time favorite in the bizarre premise dept.: I can just imagine the meetings on this one... "Okay, you're saying the show's set in a Nazi POW camp?" "Right" "During World War II?" "Yes, that's right" "And it's a...comedy?" "Surely. What else could it be?" I refer, of course, to _Hogan's Heroes_. It's worth noting (because I say so - you can note it or not) that that show starred somebody or other related to a famous classical musician (Somebody Klemperer)...and another show from the late '60s, _The FBI_, starred Efrem Zimbalist Jr. (son of another famous classical musician who - - despite the name - was not a cymbal player but a, uh, violinist, I believe). > and from the 'oh, why do I bother?' department: > > >> I have always been fascinated by how a series about witches and magic > >> could do so well in a country full of conservative tight-assed > >> fundamentalist christians who for so long have done everything but > >> minimized religious influence over social behavior, or at least as it is > > very true. Notice how Samantha had to hide her powers and wasn't allowed to > use them in society. Even in the late 60s - that time of 'anything goes' > liberalism - Sam wasn't allowed to declare to the world that she was a > witch. It would have meant disaster for her and poor Derwood. Oh hell - my impression is that the sort of bizarro paranoid born-agains - the type who want to ban Halloween, think dinosaurs were in league with Satan, etc.: utterly insane, in other words - were generally regarded as such, and kept well to the woodwork, until the late '70s, when someone let Jerry Falwell and his ilk out of their cages. (Some regional exceptions, I'm sure - their brethren in the political realm, the John Birch Society, was more or less active as I was growing up in the early '70s: a classmate's parents were members. Rock'n'roll was, of course, a Commie plot.) "Witches" weren't viewed in a religious light, really: they were essentially Halloween costumes, plot devices, etc. Certainly Samantha Stevens was hard to envision hobnobbing naked with Satan in the middle of the night. (Although now that I think of it, such an episode would have been well worth watching...) > James (can someone please mention Hitler so as to stop all this blather?) Well, I *did* mention Nazis - is that good enough? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:46:45 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: QUOTE OF THE WEEK WINNER! And the winner is... (drumroll please)... Ross Taylor! >Thanks to Ken for the French armpits! honourable mention to Ken for the article that prompted the response. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:57:21 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: the war... >> It is far easier for visitors to different >> countries to get overviews of society that >> members of those societies do not get. > >Well, that's a handy way to discount the experiences of the Americans on >this list who chose to respond. You realize you're telling us you value >the insights of your friends who have traveled here more than, say, >mine. I understand the risk of forest-for-the-trees provincialism, but >are you really saying you don't feel qualified to characterize life in >New Zealand in a truthful and insightful way? Your descriptions of >various aspects of life in New Zealand, that I've read and enjoyed over >the years -- why even bother, unless you've been quoting foreign >travelers who are able to see past the ends of their own noses to the >*real* New Zealand? but of course! I'm in no position to say exactly objectively what New Zealand's like - all I do is call it as I see it, albeit often with the view of someone who was born in the UK and can remember enough of that to be able to compare the two. I try to be unbiased, but there's bound to be bias creeping in. In matters where I'm not sure how New Zealand compares with overseas I try to find out (usually by checking website travelogues produced by people who have travelled through New Zealand). They're as accurate as I can make them, and in cases where I have travelled to other parts of New Zealand and commented, I comment with regard to the part of the country I know best. What I can say, however, is how New Zealand measures up in statistical terms. Or use comparisons that I am capable of. I can say "hey, I travelled around the country, saw lots of great sights, stood near the summit of an active volcano, saw whales from a few hundred feet above them in a light aircraft, enjoyed the sparkling clear waters of the Coromandel - there are some pictures on my website." or "Here in New Zealand non-white races have had the vote since the 1860s and, outside the main couple of cities, there is little racial violence." What I try never to say is "I saw scenery that is equal to that in Colorado and more spectacular than Nebraska," or "New Zealand has a better racial record than the US" - unless I can back those statements up with facts. In the case of the first, it would be purely subjective. In the case of the second, statistics might provide a reasonable comparison. But if you are, for example, taking what I'm saying about New Zealand as a basis for how it compares to where you are, then it would make far more sense to seek out the one known as, erm, no, to seek out someone who has spent considerable time where you are and also in New Zealand. That person will give youa far more accurate comparison of the two. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:05:52 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: da dum, da dum, da dumdumdum da dum... > - Sam wasn't allowed to declare to the world that she was a >> witch. It would have meant disaster for her and poor Derwood. They would >> have been social outcasts - or worse - shunned because they did not fit ito >> the accepted norms. > >Which applies pert near everywhere still today. it does? Hm. New Zealand is more different from the US than I thought. >> If you are a witch, by definition, you cannot be >> Christian (despite the fact that real practicers of the craft probably know >> more about the bible than most churchgoers). > >Reciting scriptures from memory of any religion does not make you more or >less a part of that religion. what has 'reciting scripture' got to do with knowing ABOUT the Bible? Or to put it another way, what do you know of the history of the Bible? How many of the 'lost' gospels have you read? Do you know of any of the alternative translations, or any of the passages of the Bible expunged from the text in the first few centuries of the Christian era? >>If you are not Christian, you are ostracised. QED. > >Demonstrated no more often than in most other places well, there you go. "No more often than in most other places" implies "more often than in some other places". How can that be if the role of religion is minimised? If it were truly minimised it would be no more often than anywhere else (and probably far less often than in most places). >> >> understood by outsiders and especially interesting is the fact that it was >> >> done at right about the peak of the protestant fundamentalist meat and >> >> potatoes movement in the US. >> >> The peak of which? Please don't confuse Protestantism and Fundamentalism. >> As far as fundamentalism was concerned, there is probably more of that >> around now than in the late 60s. > >You mean more of the Militant Fundamentalist Movement? no. I mean true fundamentalism. The acceptance of every word of scripture as being (if you'll pardon the term) the gospel truth. >What I call the >protestant fundamentalist meat and potatoes movement peaked right about >when [...] older >sisters, the last of the war babies, started discharging the menses and >coming home drunk and pregnant on a regular basis. [...] Dads were getting >high and moms had started screwing the neighbors more often than ever before. This is the time when you think that religion played more of a role in societal norms than today? Interesting. James ps - can we stop this? it's no fun, it must be boring the rest of the list, and neither of us is going to convince the other. Normally this is the point at which I would post a totally irrelevant but startlingly witty and thought-provoking message to the list in the hope that it would deflect people from the scrap. You know, like "hey, is it Mucky or Bucky?" James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:07:54 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: da dum, da dum, da dumdumdum da dum... James Dignan wrote: > >A few months ago, I suddenly realised that Darren was being played > >by a different actor from the one I remembered. It turned out to be > >a guy called Dick Sargent, who had a different haircut, although > >otherwise looking quite similar to the original. But now, it's back > >being good ol' Dick York again with the staring eyes. And they had > >started bringing in some tedious guest stars (always a sign of a > >series on the skids) - notably Henry Gibson as a leprechaun - but > >now it's back to the original cast. The only thing that kept those > >later shows going was David White working really hard as Larrry. > > from what I gather Dick York went through a lot of addiction problems > and got dumped from the show because of it. Dick Sargent was nowhere > near as good. i've always been under the impression that it was related to a severe back injury and pain that York had been suffering from for years that finally just became too difficult for him to continue to beat while working. (i seem to recall something about several muscles tearing from his spine.) in fact (unless my memory's gone loco on this), the furniture on the set during the York era had to be specially made for York. i'm revealing far too much of how bored i have to get before i'll turn a television off. > James (can someone please mention Hitler so as to stop all this > blather?) What if I only mention Elvis Hitler? ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:08:41 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: da dum, da dum, da dumdumdum da dum... On Thursday, March 7, 2002, at 10:48 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Oh hell - my impression is that the sort of bizarro paranoid > born-agains - > the type who want to ban Halloween, think dinosaurs were in league with > Satan, etc.: utterly insane, in other words - were generally regarded as > such, and kept well to the woodwork, until the late '70s, when someone > let > Jerry Falwell and his ilk out of their cages. The single strongest indicator of a Bush voter in the 2000 election was church attendance. The more frequent the attendance, the more likely the vote for Bush. It's probably safe to say that the more religious (slightly less than) half of the country voted for Bush. His administration is shot through with fundies and other types of religious conservatives, and they weigh in heavily on every domestic policy, especially social policy. In effect, the more secular (and slightly larger) half of the country is under occupation by the more religious half. As I've pointed out, you can hear the bizarro born-again types on a radio show called Point Of View. http://www.pointofview.net/ - - Steve __________ Pat Robertson's resignation this month as president of the Christian Coalition confirmed the ascendance of a new leader of the religious right in America: George W. Bush. - Dana Milbank ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:10:34 -0600 From: steve Subject: I'm at it again It's still a few months away, but Disney has picked up the North American rights to Hayao Miyazaki's Golden Bear winning film, Spirited Away. http://www.screendaily.com/index.pl?7506 In what looks to be a positive sign, Pixar dude John Lasseter (director of the Toy Story films) has been signed as "creative consultant" for the English dub. A brief article on Spirited Away - http://www.economist.com/books/displayStory.cfm?story_id=998279 - - Steve __________ Members of the Christ Community Church in Alamogordo, N.M., burned Harry Potter books, Star Wars items and works by Shakespeare and J.R.R. Tolkien, USA Today reported. Pastor Jack Brock called the Potter books "a masterpiece of satanic deception [that teaches] children how they can get into witchcraft." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 20:12:07 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re; The war... ps This PS is mainly to Brian: I just re-read what I sent and noticed that I missed out one important thing: this in no way implies that I don't value your opinion greatly! I value the opinions on all fegs on a wide variety of matters. It's simply that, well, if I had only ever known apples, and you had only ever known oranges, we might be able to say "mmm, tasty!" and work out which had the most calories in it, but to know which tasted best we would either need to swap fruits or find someone who had tasted both. In this case, finding people who have tasted both cultures is easier. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 07:31:35 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: 100% triv Brian Huddell wrote: > > There are pockets of weirdness everywhere, but > evolution is right up there with "Earth revolves around sun" as commonly > accepted knowledge. Across the state line from my wife's home town, into Kansas, teachers are required to say that evolution is one of many theories about how we got here. I'm not sure if they actually have to teach creationism, but the bilogy books have to get stickered with "this is just a theory". Stewart (of course, I believe that 5-10% of the "human" population are dinosaurs in heavy disguise. See: http://www.casualrex.com/ for proof.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 07:42:49 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: It's goodbye from him... Well, this is my last day at good (?) old Collins Dictionaries before we head off to Canada at the beginning of April. I will be subscribing from home, so see you there. As I've archived every mail message I've ever sent, I could say how many times I've posted here. But it's not really worth it. I gave all my workmates kazoos. I reckoned they needed more music in their lives. As Woody Guthrie sang, "Goodbye Goodbye Goodbye!" Stewart (btw, this address becomes a bit-bucket at about noon GMT today.) - -- Stewart C. Russell CEng MBCS Senior Analyst Programmer stewart@ref.collins.co.uk Collins Dictionaries use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Bishopbriggs, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:59:11 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: It's goodbye from him... Didn't Paul McCartney have a song called "Goodbye" too? I think the lyrics are the same as the ones Stew quoted. Good luck Stew! drop a line when u hit staeside... I am a 2 hour drive from toronto. Herbie np - Natural Born Killers - --- "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > Well, this is my last day at good (?) old Collins > Dictionaries before we > head off to Canada at the beginning of April. I will > be subscribing from > home, so see you there. > > As I've archived every mail message I've ever sent, > I could say how many > times I've posted here. But it's not really worth > it. > > I gave all my workmates kazoos. I reckoned they > needed more music in > their lives. > > As Woody Guthrie sang, "Goodbye Goodbye Goodbye!" > > Stewart > > (btw, this address becomes a bit-bucket at about > noon GMT today.) > > -- > Stewart C. Russell CEng MBCS Senior Analyst > Programmer > stewart@ref.collins.co.uk Collins Dictionaries > use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Bishopbriggs, Scotland ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:35:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: 100% triv On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Christopher Gross wrote: > Is it true, as Mr. Godwin says, that most Americans don't believe in > evolution? What are the latest poll numbers? I don't usually see any > whining creationists among the hordes of Middle American tourists at the > American Museum of Natural History. 1997 Gallup poll results at: http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm 44% God created man in the last 10,000 years 39% Man is the result of a God-guided evolutionary process 10% Man has developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life. God had no part in this process. There are also 1991 results which show interesting variations broken down by age and sex (a bit like me...) - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 09:55:38 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: 100% triv Mike wrote: >Long sentence, Greg! I was equally puzzled about the mass popularity of >dinosaurs in a country where the theory of evolution has never spread >outside the scientific community. Do they all buy the "spiritual powers >have buried those skeletons under the mountains to test our faith" >argument? I realised that angels had buried the bones under the ground so that god could make sure we had faith in her (as apparently her existence depended on it)... I had always believed that giant reptiles had walked the earth, those not consigned to evolutionary dead-ends taking to the air. Then I realised that Britney Spears is an anagram of presbyterians, and obviously, my world-view had to change... Cheers Matt >From: Michael R Godwin >Reply-To: Michael R Godwin >To: fegmaniax >Subject: Re: 100% triv >Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:44:46 +0000 (GMT) > >On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, gSs wrote: > > I have always been fascinated by how a series about witches and magic > > could do so well in a country full of conservative tight-assed > > fundamentalist christians who for so long have done everything but > > minimized religious influence over social behavior, or at least as it is > > understood by outsiders and especially interesting is the fact that it was > > done at right about the peak of the protestant fundamentalist meat and > > potatoes movement in the US. > >Long sentence, Greg! I was equally puzzled about the mass popularity of >dinosaurs in a country where the theory of evolution has never spread >outside the scientific community. Do they all buy the "spiritual powers >have buried those skeletons under the mountains to test our faith" >argument? > >- Mike "birds _are_ dinosaurs, and dromaeosaurid ones at that" Godwin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:37:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: 100% triv On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, matt sewell wrote: > I realised that angels had buried the bones under the ground so that god > could make sure we had faith in her (as apparently her existence depended > on it)... I had always believed that giant reptiles had walked the earth, > those not consigned to evolutionary dead-ends taking to the air. Then I > realised that Britney Spears is an anagram of presbyterians, and > obviously, my world-view had to change... 1 New Presbyter = 1 Old Priest 0 Bishop = 0 King (Sellars and Yeatman, 1066 and All That) - - MRG PS I forgot to mention that on the Bucks Fizz programme, the 'real' Bucks Fizz bloke had a girlfriend / manager who was exactly like Jeannine in TIST. She'd even had a row with David van Day about the costumes. They didn't show the designs, but I bet she wanted him to wear a Taurus minotaur outfit... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 06:39:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Neutral Milk Hotel alert! Sniffing around eBay recently I noticed a few *new* NMH records for sale. Seems Jeff Magnum has recently issued some new CDs on his Orange Twin label: MAJOR ORGAN - S/T NEUTRAL MILK HOTEL - Everything Is NEUTRAL MILK HOTEL - Live 04/12/98 THE GERBILS - The Battle of Electricity JEFF MAGNUM - Live 2001 Full details available at . Oh, and some guy named John Vanderslice has an album called "Mass Suicide Occult Figurines" too. Go figure. Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 08:41:34 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Re; The war... ps James: > I just re-read what I sent and noticed that I missed out one important > thing: this in no way implies that I don't value your opinion > greatly! I > value the opinions on all fegs on a wide variety of matters. Sorry, I shouldn't have brought it to a personal level. And you have always created an impression of someone who treats others' opinions with respect. What I found frustrating is that "religion as an arbiter of social behavior" doesn't strike me as the kind of thing that is best explored statistically, or through the experience, however extensive, of tourists. I think it's very easy to be distracted by surfaces, because, IMHO, religion is all about superficiality anyway. On the other hand, thanks to Mike Godwin I now know that 44% of the people I see every day think they were poofed into existence by Santa Claus 10,000 years ago. So clearly I know fuck all about the land I grew up in. All hail the Dark Lord Satan, +brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 08:51:08 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: It's goodbye from him... On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Mike Swedene wrote: > Didn't Paul McCartney have a song called "Goodbye" > too? I think the lyrics are the same as the ones Stew > quoted. Good luck Stew! drop a line when u hit > staeside... I am a 2 hour drive from toronto. He did - he gave it to Mary Hopkin. Did he ever record it himself? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:17:26 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Evolutionary perception Kenneth writes, >hey even his holy badness himself the pope acknowledges evolution's validity Yes indeed; the Catholic Church recognizes evolution. In fact, the Catholics are quite progressive these days, scientifically speaking - -- I think they are nervous of being on the wrong side of the Galileo fence again! Oddly enough, though, there is a common *perception* in the US that belief in evolution is incompatible with Christianity. This is patently untrue; only Fundamentalists, some Born-Again Christians, and Baptist types generally decry evolution; Catholics, Lutherans, and most established non-Baptists Protestsant denominations are cool with it. So are most branches of Judaism. When I was a science teacher, I used to do this little exercise. I would ask all students who felt that belief in evolution was incompatible with their faith to raise their hands. Most immediately did so. Then I asked all Catholics to lower their hands; then Lutherans, Reform Jews, Orthodox Jews, and so on.... Eventually only one or two students would still have their hands in the air. In fact, once a nice Catholic girl *insisted* that evolution was against her faith; I instructed her to ask her Priest, and when she returned next week, she let me know that suddenly she felt she could "like" science; before she had talked with her Priest, she had assumed that all science -- even the Periodic Table -- was against her religion! - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:33:06 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: 100% triv > On Thursday, March 7, 2002, at 09:44 AM, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > I was equally puzzled about the mass popularity of > > dinosaurs in a country where the theory of evolution has never spread > > outside the scientific community. Do they all buy the "spiritual powers > > have buried those skeletons under the mountains to test our faith" > > argument? That is actually a contradiction, no? If the theory of evolution has never spread outside the scientific community in the us, then nothing that directly or indirectly contradicted the creation theory could become so popular. It is the supply and demand thing working but in a theological ideal model, I guess. Like I said in my one of my last notes, I do not recall ever being taught religion other than in a secular manner while in public school in Texas for 10 years. I mean jeez, there were catholics around every corner. They could not have gotten away with teaching the christian gospel with all those catholics around. That was another joke. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 10:04:19 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: alphagreedabet At 09:55 PM 3/6/2002 -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >--Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, who *has* been told he looks a bit like Matt >Groening... Only a bit. You actually look more like me, if I'd shed an unspecified number of pounds. However, I look like Jon Lovitz, but you don't. At least that's what my wife, Morgan Fairchild, tells me. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 09:55:39 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: kick out the rutabagas! At 02:38 PM 3/6/2002 -0800, Natalie Jane wrote: >>I read this and thought I had stumbled into fegfiction, since I knew >very >>well that I wasn't at this show or in a band or fond of cowboy >hats or in >>Natalie's company or the owner of a tinfoil sculpture of >any kind. > >I bet you were *really* thrown by that bit about the simulated fellatio, >earlier on in the review. :) I was being a gentleman and not mentioning that. After all, if it turned out really to be me, I don't kiss and tell, y'know. :-) later, Miles ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #79 *******************************