From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #77 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, March 7 2002 Volume 11 : Number 077 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Soft Boys 80's NYC [Brian ] Re: kick out the rutabagas! [gSs ] Re: kick out the rutabagas! ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Daiquiri delivery in N'Awlins ["Mike Wells" ] ten for two! ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: teens for two-headed boys! ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: 100% triv [Michael R Godwin ] Roll call for NY show(s) [Ken Weingold ] Re: 100% triv [gSs ] RE: 100% triv ["Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" ] Re: 100% triv [Christopher Gross ] Re: all right...the church police! [Ken Ostrander ] RE: 100% triv [gSs ] Re: 100% triv ["JH3" ] Re: 100% triv [gSs ] Re: 100% triv [Christopher Gross ] RE: 100% triv ["Brian Huddell" ] RE: ten for two! ["Brian Huddell" ] we got the beet [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: 100% triv [Brian ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:32:53 -0500 From: Brian Subject: Soft Boys 80's NYC I just got a tape in the mail of the Soft Boys playing at the 80's (is this the venue?) in I think NYC. The tape is great. Here's a little bit from memory: They play the usuals: Kingdom of Love, QoE, Insanely Jealous, Destroy You (2x), Underwater Moonlight, Only the Stones. Some others they played: Strange(!), Run Run Run, Train Round Bend, Gigalo Aunt, Astronmy, Dancing On God's Thumb (but they say Dancing on YOUR Thumb), Positive Vibrations, Out Of The Picture, Zip Zip, and There's Nobody Like You. Strange and God's Thumb were uniquely pleasant to hear. I've never heard a live version of Strange. Oh, and Run Run Run too. All the songs totally rock! At the end of side two is an interview with Robyn from 1980. I haven't heard the whole thing yet, but he talks a bit about the second re- issue of Can of Bees. Does anyone have a better copy of this show? My version is on a type I cassette and while the sound isn't terrible, I simply won't transfer a multi-generation type I cassette to CDR. I'm looking for a younger generation of this spendid show. Please help and you will be rewarded! Also: who know the actual date of this show? Thanks, Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:16:01 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: kick out the rutabagas! On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Michael R Godwin wrote: >> I've heard that beets turn your pee red. Is this true? > Definitely. I once had an anxious hour thinking my insides had collapsed. > It was only when I remembered that I had indulged in a beetroot blowout > the previous lunchtime that I cottoned on to what had happened ... A Blue Nehi or two will turn yer poop green. I think I already told you guys that. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:21:51 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: kick out the rutabagas! gSs wrote: > > A Blue Nehi or two will turn yer poop green. I think I already told you guys > that. You did. Like I told you about alternating half pints of Newcastle Brown and Guinness will... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:04:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: 100% triv This really is trivia, so don't bother reading on unless you have absolutely nothing to do. Has anyone noticed that the Channel 4 repeats of 'Bewitched' are going _backwards_? A few months ago, I suddenly realised that Darren was being played by a different actor from the one I remembered. It turned out to be a guy called Dick Sargent, who had a different haircut, although otherwise looking quite similar to the original. But now, it's back being good ol' Dick York again with the staring eyes. And they had started bringing in some tedious guest stars (always a sign of a series on the skids) - notably Henry Gibson as a leprechaun - but now it's back to the original cast. The only thing that kept those later shows going was David White working really hard as Larrry. And they went through a phase where they kept introducing a completely unconvincing woman as 'Mrs Kravitz'. She bore no relation at all to Alice Pearce, the original Mrs Kravitz (whom you will remember from her classic role as the ugly girl who doesn't get Gene Kelly in 'On the town'). But this week, it's back to Alice Pearce once more, peering through the curtains and seeing all those unlikely bewitchments taking place (e.g. sitting room full of traffic lights of various vintages). I mean, what _is_ going on here? Not only that, but every other non-Bewitched proggie that I see features David van Day. I'd never heard of him until last month, but he was on a show about duos (he was the unmemorable one in Dollar) and then on an outrageous prog about business disputes, where he turned up running a pirate version of Bucks Fizz (instead of ripping off the girls' skirts, they ripped off the girls' boleros). Obviously I bought all those early Dollar singles, but that doesn't mean I need to know who the male singer was 20-odd years later. Moreover and furthermore, they were claiming that the late, Trevor Horn-produced singles (such as 'Videotheque') were better than the early funny ones, like 'Who were you with in the moonlight?' and 'Shooting star'. What rubbish! Anyway, that's my complaint. I want to see more Alice Pearce and less David van Day on my TV screen. - - Mike "if I hadn't fractured my ankle maybe I wouldn't be watching so much TV" Godwin PS OTOH, I did read a sensational book by Will Self called 'How the dead live'. This woman dies of cancer in 1988 and goes to live in a drab area near Islington with an unborn foetus who sings 70s hits all the time and a racist 9-year-old son who'd been run over some years before. The flat is also inhabited by the spectres of her failed attempts to lose weight. But I'm giving the whole plot away ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:11:19 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Daiquiri delivery in N'Awlins Gene culinarily commented: > Better yet, go have a meal at Uglesich's (I suggest the Shrimp Uggie with the > fried mirliton appetizer, with a coupla ice-cold Dixies), then head Uptown and > pick up a nice Fuente Corona at Dos Jefe's, stop off at The Bulldog pub for a > pint or three of Anchor Foghorn and Sam Smith Nut Brown Ale, then top off your > night with the fried pecan pie and a cup of Community coffee with chicory at > The Camelia Grill (say Hi! to Marvin the waiter for me). You will have just > experiences The Perfect Beer- and Butter-Soaked New Orleans Night (c). All excellent suggestions. I might add a fancy dinner at Commander's Palace if you've got the scratch. Don't miss a hangover-inducing lunch at K-Pauls (martinis made w/ jalepeno juice rather than vermouth, and served in pint mason jars), have the jambalaya with a * if it's on special. Avoid Hurricanes like the plague, unless you want to feel like you've got it. Michael "watching the clock over - Jackson Square" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:38:26 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: 100% triv > Has anyone noticed that the Channel 4 repeats of 'Bewitched' are going > _backwards_? I have always been fascinated by how a series about witches and magic could do so well in a country full of conservative tight-assed fundamentalist christians who for so long have done everything but minimized religious influence over social behavior, or at least as it is understood by outsiders and especially interesting is the fact that it was done at right about the peak of the protestant fundamentalist meat and potatoes movement in the US. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 09:30:45 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: ten for two! > >The Robyn Sings Dylan album will be available on RH's web-site in >two to three weeks At the risk of incurring the wrath of the entire list, I have to say that as far as I'm concerned, the only thing worse than hearing Dylan singing Dylan, is hearing Robyn singing Dylan. Or maybe it's the other way around. >Interestingly enough, my last name ("Thornton," not "Fuckhead" as >some of >you might think) Oh, goody, thanks for clearing that up. >If you're referring to the UK, they haven't intervened in any >struggles in >Hindu countries since India became independent in 1949. How many Hindu countries *are* there, apart from India? Uh, Sri Lanka? Bali? OK, Bali's not a country. But they make really nice Hindu art. There's a lot of nice Buddhist art in Indonesia as well - the great stupa at Borobodur, f'rinstance. (Indonesian Muslims are clearly not of the same destructive tendency as the Taliban.) >The pebbled-looking wall surface consists entirely of human bones: >the big >"pebbles" are skulls, the smaller ones are the ends of femurs >and other >long bones. Yow! Impressive! >Wow! The groups all live together, eh? Whatever happened to John >Sinclair >and the White Panthers? Became accountants / dope fiends / >chat show >hosts, I suppose ... John Sinclair was the MC5's manager, and yeah, they all lived in the same house. (Two houses, actually - 1520 and 1522 Hill St., also home to the mythical Stooges Wax Museum.) As some of you probably know, Sinclair was sentenced to ten years in prison for possession of two joints, and there was a huge rally in his support in Ann Arbor, graced by the presence of none other than John Lennon. (There's a chair in an Ann Arbor guitar shop with a sign that says "John Lennon sat here," and I have no reason to doubt the claim.) I think the sentence was reduced or charges were dropped or something. So a couple of years ago I went to see John Sinclair speak. I was hoping for some poop about his wild years in the 60's and 70's, but instead he recited poetry. It was that awful faux-beatnik crap that makes the rounds at poetry slams. I said to myself, "If he does one more poem about jazz, I'm leaving." The next poem was about John Coltrane. I left. So I haven't raved about my latest favorite album yet, "Oh, Inverted World" by the Shins. Someone told me to buy it because, he said, it sounded like a cross between the Cure and Neutral Milk Hotel. It doesn't, nor does it sound like any of the other bands it's been compared to (including the Beach Boys, the Zombies, and 80's Kiwi-pop), but it's weird and quirky (ack! the Q word!) and poppy and cool nevertheless, and I highly recommend it. In a strange turn of events, I discovered that the drummer and the singer from the Shins live in Portland now, and the drummer lives in my friend Eleanor's old room. Six degrees... gnat "station, dilation, effacement" the gnatster _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 09:43:57 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: teens for two-headed boys! At 09:30 AM 3/7/2002 -0800, Natalie Jane wrote: >How many Hindu countries *are* there, apart from India? Uh, Sri Lanka? Sri Lanka is mostly Buddhist. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:44:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: 100% triv On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, gSs wrote: > I have always been fascinated by how a series about witches and magic > could do so well in a country full of conservative tight-assed > fundamentalist christians who for so long have done everything but > minimized religious influence over social behavior, or at least as it is > understood by outsiders and especially interesting is the fact that it was > done at right about the peak of the protestant fundamentalist meat and > potatoes movement in the US. Long sentence, Greg! I was equally puzzled about the mass popularity of dinosaurs in a country where the theory of evolution has never spread outside the scientific community. Do they all buy the "spiritual powers have buried those skeletons under the mountains to test our faith" argument? - - Mike "birds _are_ dinosaurs, and dromaeosaurid ones at that" Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:06:41 -0800 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Roll call for NY show(s) Anyone going to the NY shows please email me ASAP so I can try and get us all together at the show. I have connections. ;-) Thanks. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:16:30 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: 100% triv On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Michael R Godwin wrote: > I was equally puzzled about the mass popularity of dinosaurs in a > country where the theory of evolution has never spread outside the > scientific community. You can blaim that on the lifetime heads-up-their-rear independant school boards members, districts and all things there associated, but especially the fucking teachers unions. Luckily we had pbs. We finally have some basic general skills assessment standards but we still have equalized funding inconsistancies and until the skills assessment standards are nationalized for both teachers and students along with competative salary and retirement plans there will be room for improvement. > Do they all buy the "spiritual powers have buried those skeletons under > the mountains to test our faith" argument? I personally never knew anyone who bought that one except the jw's, most of the catholics, the seventh day adventists and probably any remaing new england area fringe calvinists, though all calvinists should probably be classified as fringey, plus any of the primative baptists from the central Gulf Coast region, at least not after they started showing land of the lost on saturday morning. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:43:00 -0800 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: RE: 100% triv Gss sploonged forth: > On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > I was equally puzzled about the mass popularity of dinosaurs in a > > country where the theory of evolution has never spread outside the > > scientific community. > > You can blame that on the lifetime heads-up-their-rear independant school > boards members, districts and all things there associated, but especially > the fucking teachers unions. Luckily we had pbs. We finally have some > basic general skills assessment standards but we still have equalized > funding inconsistancies and until the skills assessment standards are > nationalized for both teachers and students along with competative salary > and retirement plans there will be room for improvement. Maybe I'm blessed by going to school in the northwest but for the most part most of the people I went to High school with in the suburban/rural town Port Orchard seemed to more or less accept evolution as an acceptable theory. Some of course had reservations like a belief that evolution was guided by the hand of god but the vast majority seemed to think it was a perfectly valid scientific theory. What's with all the venom for the teacher's union? > > Do they all buy the "spiritual powers have buried those skeletons under > > the mountains to test our faith" argument? > > I personally never knew anyone who bought that one except the jw's, most > of the catholics, the seventh day adventists and probably any remaing new > england area fringe calvinists, though all calvinists should probably be > classified as fringey, plus any of the primative baptists from the central > "Gulf Coast region, at least not after they started showing land of the > lost on saturday morning. I don't know anyone who believes that either other than a few total religious crazies that I met working at the reference desk at the Ballard Branch one of them wanted me to remove all books concerning dinosaurs because they were tools of Satan and that a library should not help Satan. I directed her to fill out a complaint form or write the collection development department. This same woman wanted us to remove the Kuran after 9-11 too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 14:50:33 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: 100% triv On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, gSs wrote: > > Do they all buy the "spiritual powers have buried those skeletons under > > the mountains to test our faith" argument? > > I personally never knew anyone who bought that one except the jw's, most > of the catholics, For what it's worth, I have never met a Catholic under the age of 75 who said they didn't believe in evolution. (And only one over 75: my grandfather.) Admittedly, it doesn't always come up in conversation. And when I attended Catholic high school, my 9th grade biology teacher -- a nun -- told us on the first day "As far as evolution and religion go, there's just one thing you have to believe: there is no evolution of the soul." After that statement, we spent the rest of the year studying evolution and other aspects of biology in a fashion that atheists would find totally acceptable. Even *I*, the teenage communist atheist, couldn't fault my Catholic school for its handling of evolution. Of course this was out on the decadent un-American east coast, in the heart of "blue" America. No doubt things are different in Texas. Even our East Coast barn agin Christians are probably pallid liberal versions of those in Texas.... Is it true, as Mr. Godwin says, that most Americans don't believe in evolution? What are the latest poll numbers? I don't usually see any whining creationists among the hordes of Middle American tourists at the American Museum of Natural History. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:19:39 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: all right...the church police! >> Hands up everyone here who thinks that 'the role of religion as an >> arbiter of social behaviour' is minimised in the US. > >It's certainly not _absent_, nor is the separation of church and >state all that visible in practice, but it could be worse. i'd just like to see a state of the union address that didn't include the catchphrase "god bless america". when i make my acceptance speech upon reaching elected office, i'd like to end with "may the force be with you". >> we're all but officially a theocracy these days. > >As much as I adore the dystopian tang of this comment >(and I do), I can't really agree. Oligarchy, plutocracy, >oh yeah, sure, no question. of course, our monetary system based on faith. "in god we trust" because the gold standard disappeared long ago. >> I understand, >> for instance, that I could never be elected to a political office, >> because I'm an atheist. > >You would just have to pretend, like the Clintons. That's >because non-Christian voters tolerate Christian politicians >and Christian voters do not tolerate non-Christian politicians. you'd think that people would want honest atheists rather than someone who lies about it to serve as their representative; but then i guess that's a little too rational. i do think that jesus was way cool (thank you john s. hall); but choose to define god a bit more broadly. > > Dateline: Kabul, March 6, 2002 > > A new frontal attack: French Intellectuals to be Deployed in Afghanistan to > Convince Taliban of Non-Existence of God. > > The ground war in Afghanistan heated up yesterday when the Allies revealed > plans to airdrop a platoon of crack French existentialists into the country > to destroy the morale of Taliban zealots by proving the non-existence of God. > > Elements from the feared Jean-Paul Sartre Brigade, or 'Black Berets', will be > parachuted into the combat zones to spread doubt, despondency, and > existential ennui among the enemy. Hardened by numerous intellectual battles > fought during their long occupation of Paris's Left Bank, their first action > will be to establish a number of sidewalk cafes at strategic points near the > front lines. > > There they will drink coffee and talk animatedly about the absurdity of life > and man's lonely isolation in the universe. They will be accompanied by a > number of heartbreakingly beautiful girlfriends, who will further spread > dismay by sticking their tongues in the philosophers' ears every few minutes, > while appearing remote and unattainable to everyone else. > > Their leader, Colonel Marc-Ange Belmondieu, spoke yesterday of his confidence > in the success of their mission. Sorbonne graduate Belmondieu, a very > intense unshaven young man in a black turtleneck pullover, gesticulated > wildly, allowing air to waft through his underarms, and said, "The Taliban > are caught in an illogical fallacy of the most ridiculous kind. There is no > God, and I can prove it. Take your tongue out of my ear, Juliette. I am > talking." > > Marc-Ange plans to deliver his impassioned expostulation on man's nauseating > freedom of action with special reference to the works of Foucault and the > films of Alfred Hitchcock. Military sources confirmed that Belmondieu's > armpits would be employed as a stealth weapon should his fervent fusillade > fail. > > Humanitarian agencies have been quick to condemn the operation as inhumane, > pointing out that the effects of passive smoke from the Frenchmen's endless > Gitanes could wreak a terrible toll on civilians and small animals in the > area. > > Speculation was mounting last night that Britain may also contribute to the > effort by dropping Professor Stephen Hawking into Kandahar to discuss the Big > Bang. They have outfitted Hawking with a Pashtu translating device, although > most terms of astrophysics, such as black hole, have no parallel meaning in > that language. Hawking explained that he hopes to convey his message through > visual aids. "There...is...bound...to > be...un...exploded...ordinance...in...the...area," he said. > > Other tactics to demonstrate the non-existence of God will include the > dropping of leaflets, pointing out that Michael Jackson has released a new > album and that Oprah Winfrey is not dead yet. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:28:59 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: RE: 100% triv On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc) wrote: > What's with all the venom for the teacher's union? I know about seven teachers within a few seperate districts and two different unions and they all say the same thing about the unions, that they are run by knitting club members who are more interested in helping to protect the salaries of everyone except the teachers and they are tuck-tail and cover on the idea of skills assessment of any kind regarding teachers. And bringing up the idea of including class room performance or skill assessment during appraisal reviews as salary or bonus incentives and you might as well be preaching prohibition in the outfield seats at a Yankees game. It makes no sense. It is just another bureaucratic pile of shit made up of lifetime "civil servants" who should all be dragged for days through the streets by their ankles and finally covered with honey and dipped in ants then chopped up to be sold as ornaments for some queer vulcan holiday or something maybe not quite that severe but done with a similar enthusiasm. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:36:24 -0600 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: 100% triv Chris G. writes: > Is it true, as Mr. Godwin says, that most Americans don't > believe in evolution? What are the latest poll numbers? The latest poll numbers show that 43% of Americans believe in classical Darwinian theory, 31% believe in the "seven days" story as explained in the Old Testament, 15% believe that all human beings were created as part of a covert NSA experiment to develop organisms that would be "sort of interesting to spy on," and 11% believe it was all MY fault and that I should be hanged. > I don't usually see any whining creationists among the > hordes of Middle American tourists at the American Museum > of Natural History. I used to work across the street from there! You've just been fooled by the fact that they almost never *whine*, per se. Usually they emit an oscillating low-frequency rumble, roughly like that of a large bread machine. But they're there, trust me... The ones that make all the noise and fuss are all over at the National Gallery's @#$%&!! garden cafe! They tend to line up there just as you're about to take an attractive co-worker to lunch -- apparently they all have tiny radio receivers implanted in their heads to tell them when you're about to get there. John "and that's why I moved to the farm belt" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:50:05 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: 100% triv On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Christopher Gross wrote: > Of course this was out on the decadent un-American east coast, in the > heart of "blue" America. No doubt things are different in Texas. Even > our East Coast barn agin Christians are probably pallid liberal versions > of those in Texas.... That is a bit of a surprise to hear coming from you, but ignorance is blind. I started school in Texas in Plano, a town of about 25,000 when we moved there, and do not remember ever being taught anything about religion in public school other than the generalities regarding each of the major religions and in fact I can even remember it being emphasized repeatedly that christianity was a minority among religions and one of the youngest of the majors. I guess maybe I should have used welcome back kotter as a guide to the average intelligence of students from New York and maybe the east coast in general. > Is it true, as Mr. Godwin says, that most Americans don't believe in > evolution? What are the latest poll numbers? I don't usually see any > whining creationists among the hordes of Middle American tourists at the > American Museum of Natural History. Like I said, he probably has a better idea than you, apparently, him being so close to the action if you will, and I don't know anyone personally who could or would support the creation arguement to any level of validity when actually confronted. But then what the hell do I know, I just live here. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:57:42 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: 100% triv Whoah, sounds like I struck a nerve there! If any Texans out there feel offended by what I wrote, I apologize. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:15:51 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: 100% triv > I was equally puzzled about the mass > popularity of dinosaurs in a country where > the theory of evolution has never spread > outside the scientific community. I can't believe the earnest replies this generated! Mike, you were *kidding* right? There are pockets of weirdness everywhere, but evolution is right up there with "Earth revolves around sun" as commonly accepted knowledge. But you knew that, didn't you? Baiting the hapless Yank; not much sport in that is there? +brian (from a country where irony has never spread beyond the Northeastern Intellectual Elite) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:16:04 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: ten for two! gnat: > So I haven't raved about my latest favorite album yet, "Oh, > Inverted World" > by the Shins. Someone told me to buy it because, he said, it > sounded like a > cross between the Cure and Neutral Milk Hotel. It doesn't, > nor does it > sound like any of the other bands it's been compared to > (including the Beach > Boys, the Zombies, and 80's Kiwi-pop), but it's weird and > quirky (ack! the Q > word!) and poppy and cool nevertheless, and I highly recommend it. Seconded, FWIW. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:35:59 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: we got the beet >PS > I've heard that beets turn your pee red. Is this true? > >Definitely. I once had an anxious hour thinking my insides had collapsed. >It was only when I remembered that I had indulged in a beetroot blowout >the previous lunchtime that I cottoned on to what had happened ... I was getting seriously confused there for a minute. Are you guys talking about betts or beetroot? Two different creatures entirely (I think one's a mammal and one's a reptile). Beets, you eat the green leaves. Beetroot, you leave well alone. It looks like potato soaked in red ink, but doesn't taste anywhere near that good. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:46:50 -0500 From: Brian Subject: Re: 100% triv >>> Is it true, as Mr. Godwin says, that most Americans don't believe in >> evolution? What are the latest poll numbers? I don't usually see any >> whining creationists among the hordes of Middle American tourists at the >> American Museum of Natural History. Yes. However 2 weeks ago while waiting in the train station (in Ohio USA). I was approached by a born again Christain woman. She kept saying "Do you know why Adam and Eve were put here?" and things like this. I just told her 'thank you, but I really don't want to get into this.' All I needed to say was EVOLUTION and I would've had an all night discussion with this lady. I'm not dis'n God, but sometimes organized religion makes me ill, and there's a lot of it here in the USA. But even with organized religion so popular I still think the view of Evolution out weighs Creationism here. Nuppy ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #77 *******************************