From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #75 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, March 6 2002 Volume 11 : Number 075 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: the global war against globalization [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Di] Re: News You Can Use [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] RE: the global war against globalization ["Brian Huddell" ] alphagreedabet ["ross taylor" ] Re: happy birthday [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Dupes ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: happy birthday [Miles Goosens ] Re: gnatmaniax! [Miles Goosens ] Re: happy birthday [Christopher Gross ] RE: the global war against globalization (fwd) ["Kenneth Johnson" ] Re: Rama lama fa fa fa [Michael R Godwin ] Re: happy birthday ["Roberta Cowan" ] Re: the global war against globalization [gSs ] Grant Lee on virgin radio uk ["Rob" ] Re: the global war against globalization [gSs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:19:31 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: the global war against globalization >Subject: the global war against globalization > >From Genoa to al-Qaeda to Jerry Falwell, It's The Same Battle by Dave Faries >The incident started when her company, Countrywatch.com, accidentally >listed a few Aegean islands as Turkish instead of Greek. Now, if some map >maker somewhere in the world referred to Puerto Rico as British or Guam as >part of Japan, most Americans would either scoff at the abilities of that >particular map maker or fail to notice the error. But angry Greeks >responded by bombarding Countrywatch.com with computer viruses, demanding >apologies, issuing threats, praising Osama bin Laden, or just railing in >general about the inherent evil of American hegemony although, to behonest, >they used the f-word a lot more than words like hegemony............. > >Change Occurs Over Time > >In many ways, then, these disparate forces of protest view us as the >enemy. y'know, the flag mailing list had a similar problem a few years back when, for sake of brevity, we started talking about The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia by just the sixth word of its name. It was still listed as F.Y.R.O.M. on the webpages, but the discussion group started referring to it as Macedonia. It's absolutely nothing to do with being American - the flags list was, at the time, based in Italy (it has since moved to Canada). The list was full of references to Italian expansionism, and the colonial attitudes of the British and their 'vassal states' (phtooi!). Can't remember exactly what form of insult they sent to the Brazilian list-members, but they were pretty thorough in their vitriol. Greeks in general are somewhat paranoid about their territory and others' claims on it (to be fair, surrounded by the countries they're surrounded by, it makes a certain amount of sense). Some of them are just a tad more paranoid about it than others. >The genius of America is the separation of church and >state, which minimizes the role of religion as an arbiter of social >behavior. ROTFLCWMPASCAOMK! Hands up everyone here who thinks that 'the role of religion as an arbiter of social behaviour' is minimised in the US. >Oh, and Americans know as little about the Hindu religion as we do about >Islam and India somehow manages to avoid attacking us. I wonder when the last time was that the US intervened in an armed struggle in a Hindu country, or tried to replace a government it didn't like in such a country - or even supplied arms to the other side in such a struggle. The US doesn't go around criticising everything done by specific Hindu governments, or imposing embargoes against them. It doesn't refuse to recognise the validity of Hindu regimes. It doesn't accuse Hindu regimes as being part of an "axis of evil". Greg, you really do send a lot of wank to this list. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:19:17 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: News You Can Use >>From Reuters: >"An 80-page fax containing details of Queen Elizabeth's Australian tour was >accidentally faxed to a McDonalds fast food restaurant in Brisbane, a >spokeswoman for Buckingham Palace said......the blunder made headlines >in Australia alongside the latest gaffe by Prince Philip, renowned for his >tactless comments, who asked an Aborigine on Friday whether tribes still threw >spears at each other......visit has been dogged by a scandal over her >local envoy, Governor-General Peter Hollingworth, who is under pressure for >mishandling and playing down child sex abuse cases during his previous career >as an Anglican archbishop." > >You know, try as we might it's just too damn hard to improve on reality. you missed the Aussie PM's comments about "the commonwealth having been established under the reign of the Queen's father, King George the Fifth" (KGV was the queen's grandfather - the UK had two kings between KGV's death and the Queen's ascension to the throne). Not quite as fun as GW Bush's comments in Japan which sent the yen plummeting recently, but a reasonable gaffe, nonetheless. >I like pickled beets. I did not like Eleventh Dream Day's BEET, no matter >how I tried to stomach it. not to be confused with the Bats' Silverbeet (which I suspect is what the US calls Rutabaga). James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:35:05 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: the global war against globalization James: > ROTFLCWMPASCAOMK! I'll bite. Rolling On The Floor Laughing Coughing Wheezing Most Probably Agitating Some Cartilaginous Areas On My Knees! What do I win? > Hands up everyone here who thinks that 'the role of religion > as an arbiter of social behaviour' is minimised in the US. Comparatively? Sure. I'm not denying the political clout the religious right carries here. But social behavior? My family and friends are almost exclusively composed of people whose daily lives are not *directly* influenced by religion in any way. We're not a special group and it's not by design -- things just turned out that way. I'd like to have some claim to oppressed-minority status but I can't think of a single example that would support that. Sometimes I have to look away from a billboard or change TV stations to avoid hearing some inane bullshit. Abortion rights are precarious, to be sure, but that's a clear example of religion utterly failing, for the moment, to dictate behavior (and policy). I think it's possible, even easy, to live an entirely secular life in this country, and I think I'm doing it. Maybe I miss your point, James. There's always encroachment and it's always troubling -- I worry about what may be around the corner. But for now, the fact that our leaders *think* I'm living in a ("judeo" in teeny-tiny letters)-Christian state has little if anything to do with my life, the choices I make, etc... Even *I* know I sound classically deluded. But we're not talking about political power -- where my tax dollars go, for instance. If we're talking about "social behavior" then yeah, my hand's up. I'm not claiming that there aren't other states where it's just as easy to make choices that are free of religious constraints. But compared to Italy, or Ireland, let alone Saudi Arabia? cheers, +brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:39:34 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: the global war against globalization (fwd) On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, James Dignan wrote: > >The genius of America is the separation of church and > >state, which minimizes the role of religion as an arbiter of social > >behavior. > > ROTFLCWMPASCAOMK! Uh... "rolling on the floor laughing caustic white methane poot as seagulls crowd around old mangy kangaroos"? I forget who wrote the quoted article - but yeesh, yes: the legal separation of church & state (circumvented as often as possible, of course: just try buying beer on a Sunday morning...Sunday? just a coincidence...and of course, in far more serious ways) is apparently misunderstood overseas. Apparently you down in NZ still get it right, though: we're all but officially a theocracy these days. Maybe I'll become Canadian... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::American people like their politics like Pez - small, sweet, and ::coming out of a funny plastic head. __Dennis Miller__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:03:24 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: the global war against globalization (fwd) Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey: > Uh... "rolling on the floor laughing caustic white methane poot as > seagulls crowd around old mangy kangaroos"? Damn, that was my second guess. > I forget who wrote the quoted article - but yeesh, yes: the legal > separation of church & state (circumvented as often as possible, of > course: just try buying beer on a Sunday morning...Sunday? In the interest of accuracy this is hardly universal. I spent my teen drinking years in Mississippi (that's the Bible Belt, James). In that state, like many (most?), liquor laws differ from county to county. I remember my shock one Sunday when visiting a friend in an unfamiliar county, because we had to drive across the county line to get beer before noon. It's the only time I encountered such a restriction in Mississippi. Now I'm in New Orleans where they deliver daiquiris to your door 24/7. Whether you want them or not. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:39:59 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: the global war against globalization (fwd) On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Brian Huddell wrote: > > I forget who wrote the quoted article - but yeesh, yes: the legal > > separation of church & state (circumvented as often as possible, of > > course: just try buying beer on a Sunday morning...Sunday? > > In the interest of accuracy this is hardly universal. Of course - but my point is that "Sunday" isn't arbitrary. Find me a locality where beer sales are prohibited only on, say, Thursday, and I'll grant you your point. As to your previous post: as in most areas of life in the US, it's not so much what the laws say as a cultural/social enforcement...all the stronger for its apparent invisibility and unofficial status. Even though few people who call themselves religious could actually explain the details of the religion they nominally subscribe to, that gestural orthodoxy defines what is and is not acceptable. Positive representations of atheists or atheism are way lower, proportionately, than to their numbers in the population - while religion, even the most wacko varieties, is granted a sort of respect. Politicians' official biographies almost invariably list church membership. When public figures make even the most thoughtful and politely phrased criticism of religious belief in general, they are hooted down as bigots (as if religious belief is an unchangeable aspect of being like biological sex or skin color). - --Jeff, suddenly expecting to learn of a town that worships Thor and bans liquor sales in his honor on Thursdays... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I've been praying a lot lately - it's because I no longer have a TV:: __Mark Eitzel__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:38:47 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: the global war against globalization Jeff: > As to your previous post: as in most areas of life in the US, > it's not so > much what the laws say as a cultural/social enforcement...all > the stronger > for its apparent invisibility and unofficial status. Even though few > people who call themselves religious could actually explain > the details of > the religion they nominally subscribe to, that gestural > orthodoxy defines > what is and is not acceptable. Positive representations of atheists or > atheism are way lower, proportionately, than to their numbers in the > population - while religion, even the most wacko varieties, > is granted a > sort of respect. Politicians' official biographies almost > invariably list > church membership. When public figures make even the most > thoughtful and > politely phrased criticism of religious belief in general, > they are hooted > down as bigots (as if religious belief is an unchangeable > aspect of being > like biological sex or skin color). (apologies for the crap word-wrap) These are good and valid points. I guess my focus was, perhaps too literally, on behavior. That was the word that was used. I understand, for instance, that I could never be elected to a political office, because I'm an atheist. I also know that if I wore my atheist hat and lapel-pin to work I would inevitably lose clients. But I assume that everyone else is as free as I am to choose their religious affiliation, and I don't feel particularly oppressed by the fact that most people in the US choose differently from me. Should I? Is it a problem? Again, I *do* fear encroachment. I fear the power that politicians may have to exploit religious sentiment to fuck up my life. But as much as I would enjoy an additional object for my generalized misanthropy, religion just doesn't get in my way, not enough to worry about anyway. I know that's not very interesting. Much more interesting would be the stories of US fegs who've felt marginalized, oppressed, inconvenienced even, by religion as an arbiter of social behavior. And if the source is family or friends, I guess the question would be, what was the state's role in creating the conditions that led to...whatever. Because the same state also produces people like Jeff and myself, on occasion, when the moon is right. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:03:22 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: These are the fegs I miss, I miss Eddie. Vivien. Jeme (could give my religious-freedom Pollyanna a good spanking, I bet). Eb (although El has made a valiant effort). Randi (obviously). Come out, wherever you are. Not to minimize the contributions of the current regulars. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:07:17 -0800 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: happy birthday On Tue, Mar 5, 2002, Tom Clark wrote: > Anybody have any beet recipes? Yeah. Having lived in Brazil for a good amount of time, and beets being very common there, I do. Very simple and delicious. Just be careful, as the blood from them will stain. Simply wash them and peel the skin, and put then in boiling water. They turn a brownish-purplish color when done, and will be just soft enough to not be crunchy. When you think they might be done, try cutting a piece off one and eating it. Sweet and delicious. :) To get the full Brazilian effect, serve it with rice and beans. LJ would also have brigadeiro. :) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 10:57:19 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: alphagreedabet Catching up on things that depress me: tc-- >Fuck him and all his fellow corporate shitlickers. Hilary Rosen: Oh, Jack! Let's do it again! Jack Valenti: I can't do it again, wanton duplication would violate the DMCA. I generally stay out the the political debates, partially due to cynicism, partially due to being on the digest & thus inable to keep up. Regarding copyright, I've been depressed into inactivity by the passage of Bono/Micky Mouse Ammendment & the DMCA. There was a recent article on www.wired.com about how, because Philips was objecting to people calling things CDs that didn't meet its standards, this was going to cause the CD to get abandoned as a medium. Is there any recommended grass-roots activity against the RIAA? I've already emailed my congressman (does that do any good?) - --- Mike Wells-- >> You know, try as we might it's just too damn hard to improve on > reality. I don't watch much TV, but I keep hearing about it -- such as the Fox TV deathmatch between Tanya Harding & Paula Jones. Perhaps they should get Clinton to referee -- they could lure him by saying it's a speaking engagement w/ all the wings you can eat. And I'm wondering if Terry Southern has taken over control of Fox. - --- Kudos to Kay for many words recently, Dysglish and displashed among them. - --- Fric-- I'm sure I've Taj do a version of that live, but, oddly, I thought he was singing some Creole or Haitian French ... Ross Taylor Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:14:31 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: happy birthday - --On Tuesday, March 05, 2002 16:53:02 -0600 Miles Goosens wrote: > I like pickled beets. I did not like Eleventh Dream Day's BEET, no > matter how I tried to stomach it. Really?? They're one of the bands I really miss. I saw them several times when they were on tour with Yo La Tengo in Germany. They'd end the show by joining up to play MC5's Rambling Rose together - great fun! After the show we went backstage and watched the Bulls beat some poor other team in the NBA finals... those were the days. ;-) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Winter is coming. [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:14:34 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: Dupes >Hilary Rosen: Oh, Jack! Let's do it again! >Jack Valenti: I can't do it again, wanton >duplication would violate the DMCA. Thanks a lot, Ross -- I'm going to have to get a new monitor now, seeing as I sprayed coffee all over it after reading this little gem. And here I thought that the suggested duplication would be impossible, due to the errors embedded (get it, em-BED-ded?) in the original version. ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 10:36:26 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: happy birthday At 04:14 PM 3/6/2002 +0100, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: >--On Tuesday, March 05, 2002 16:53:02 -0600 Miles Goosens > wrote: > >> I like pickled beets. I did not like Eleventh Dream Day's BEET, no >> matter how I tried to stomach it. > >Really?? They're one of the bands I really miss. I saw them several times >when they were on tour with Yo La Tengo in Germany. They'd end the show by >joining up to play MC5's Rambling Rose together - great fun! There was just something about Eleventh Dream Day... I don't know if "strident" is the right word, but it's close to being the right word. Some combination of overly serious with less than deft songwriting -- since YLT is in the discussion, there's a flexibility, playfulness, and overall organic sensibility about them that is lacking in Eleventh Dream Day. (X might be a better comparison -- folk/country in the equation, male and female vocals more similar to EDD than to Ira and Georgia -- so substitute them for YLT in the prior sentence.) It's cool about hanging backstage with them and YLT, though. Always good to hear that a band is civil. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 10:50:17 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: gnatmaniax! Belatedly, I respond to a Natalie post: >Miles turned up, wearing the keyboardist's cowboy hat, and I gave him the >Anubis. "Oh, that's so sweet, thank you so much," said he, and said he >still has his Thoth in the righthand drawer of his dresser. I read this and thought I had stumbled into fegfiction, since I knew very well that I wasn't at this show or in a band or fond of cowboy hats or in Natalie's company or the owner of a tinfoil sculpture of any kind. Though I did check the right-hand side of my sock drawer just in case. self-centeredly, Miles, who can't be missed, he supposes, since he fades in and out from time to time ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 11:42:19 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: happy birthday > >They'd end the show by > >joining up to play MC5's Rambling Rose together - great fun! This is probably a dumb question, but "Rambling Rose" wasn't originally by MC5, was it? - --Chris (who was in Portugal for two weeks and missed by no one) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 09:00:45 -0800 From: "Kenneth Johnson" Subject: RE: the global war against globalization (fwd) Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey: >--Jeff, suddenly expecting to learn of a town that worships Thor and bans >liquor sales in his honor on Thursdays... > Yes, but if they did worship Thor, they wouldn't be banning liquor or maybe they would only sell it on Thursday "god" (tinny tiny and in quotations) and religion are solid institutions in any industrialized society. It is *omnipresent* in our public lives and especially the US government. Even my spell checker wanted to capitalize "god". I had to ask it to ignore god. I always wince when a politician, particularly a presidential candidate starts calling on god for his constituency. Thank our founding fathers for that separation clause. They still use bibles to swear in people in many/most courtrooms, don't they?. Witness the seemingly unanimous outpouring of "God Bless America" after the Sept. 11 attacks. I think it is assumed as a matter of public discourse whether or not a person's beliefs support it. In private circles, the subject of deity-of-your-choice and religion may be understated, even *non-existent*. Kenneth ****** "When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it?" --Eleanor Roosevelt "I love America more than any other country in the world and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually." - -- James Baldwin "What does it matter to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?" -- Mahatma Gandhi _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:07:09 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: happy birthday The long-lost & deeply missed Chris Gross thus sprake: >This is probably a dumb question, but "Rambling Rose" wasn't originally by >MC5, was it? Since Hal doesn't seem to be around (or are you?), it falls to me to point out that the Grateful Dead have a song called "Ramblin' Rose" (See, e.g. "Europe '72") -- but I doubt that it is the same tune. >(who was in Portugal for two weeks and missed by no one) Ever since you moved out of my neighborhood, you might as well have been living in Portgugal -- I mean, how do you expect to maintain your "inside the Beltway" perspective living way out yonder? ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. 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To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:13:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Rama lama fa fa fa On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Christopher Gross wrote: > > >They'd end the show by > > >joining up to play MC5's Rambling Rose together - great fun! > > This is probably a dumb question, but "Rambling Rose" wasn't originally by > MC5, was it? We're talking about the song with the curtailed 'Ticket to Ride' riff, not the Nat King Cole easy listening number. It's on 'Kick out the jams', but I don't know whether someone else did it first. I've also got a nice single of it by Wayne Kramer. I only saw the MC5 once, at a big outdoor gig at Wembley Stadium, 1973. They were on with Chuck Berry, Little Richard (who was _awful_), Jerry Lee Lewis, Bill Haley and the Comets, Billy Fury and Heinz. Kramer was dressed like a mobster (dark suit, dark glasses, sharp hair) _but_ his skin was all painted gold. Fred 'Sonic' Smith wore a silver surfer outfit complete with silver cloak, plus that sort of swept back peacock feather head thing. Nifty! The audience was 99% greasers and they _hated_ the band. I think the glitter in Rob Tyner's frizzy ginger hair particularly enraged them. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:22:53 -0500 From: "Roberta Cowan" Subject: Re: happy birthday sez Chris: >(who was in Portugal for two weeks and missed by no one) This is TOTALLY not true. Shoot, there were 9 posts to the list since this morning by 1pm and I'll bet there weren't many more than that over the past 5 days. Except, of course, the extended mileage that was gotten out of a few letters of the alphabet. 8-) We would also love to hear about your trip. Welcome back! Cheers, Roberta ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:49:45 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: the global war against globalization On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, James Dignan wrote: > Hands up everyone here who thinks that 'the role of religion as an arbiter > of social behaviour' is minimised in the US. Compared to Ireland or Japan or Greece or France or Spain or Portugal or Mexico or Italy or South America or almost the entire middle-east, to name but a few. And lets not forget Africa. Hands up those who think someone from New Zealand actually knows much about the average American. Of all the people I have worked and played with few or none use religion in any way as a guide for their behavior, at least not any standard type religion and certainly not ideals that the average moderate would consider as fundmentalist or whatever. The people who do are minorities, ie... staunch catholics/baptists, seventh day adventists, orthodox jews, fringe muslims, jehovah's witnesses, mormons etc.. There are a few others but this covers most of them. The vast majority of Americans do not associate with these groups, do not go to church and do not think that serpents will spend eternity crawling on their bellies because eve fucked satan. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:17:18 -0000 From: "Rob" Subject: Grant Lee on virgin radio uk Shortly, ie in the 45 minutes or so, Grant Lee Philips is being interviewed & playing on Virgin radio. Probably no one will see this in time, but just in case: www.virginradio.co.uk they do a live stream and I think they often archive these sessions. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:29:41 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: the global war against globalization On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, James Dignan wrote: > I wonder when the last time was that the US intervened in an armed struggle > in a Hindu country, or tried to replace a government it didn't like in such > a country - or even supplied arms to the other side in such a struggle. What help did they need from us while they had 'the crown' up their ass? > The US doesn't go around criticising everything done by specific Hindu > governments, or imposing embargoes against them. That has to be because so many Hindus have western bloodlines thanks to having 'the crown' up their ass literally for so long. We consider them more like us and therefore disrespect them less. That fits your template doesn't it? Is that the same template you use when comparing the plight of the Maori? > It doesn't refuse to recognise the validity of Hindu regimes. It > being part of an "axis of evil". What part of North Korea is predominantly Hindu or Muslim? > Greg, you really do send a lot of wank to this list. While I accept your opinion, that does not mean that by default I respect or value it. gSs ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #75 *******************************