From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #74 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, March 5 2002 Volume 11 : Number 074 Today's Subjects: ----------------- alphabet ["Walker, Charles" ] Dou dout dwie, dou dout dwiet dout! ["Fric Chaud" ] Re: alphabet ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Dou dout dwie, dou dout dwiet dout! ["matt sewell" ] Re: The Bottom of the Well ["matt sewell" ] Talkin WWIII Blues... ["matt sewell" ] Re:Tales from The Underwater, Tree Assignments/JH3 ["ross taylor" ] Re: Departure Lounge news [Miles Goosens ] Re: The Bottom of the Well [Miles Goosens ] Re: Tales from The Underwater, Tree Assignments [JH3 ] the global war against globalization [gSs ] Re: happy birthday [Tom Clark ] Re: beet me silly [gSs ] Re: happy birthday [Eleanore Adams ] Re: happy birthday [Eric Loehr ] News You Can Use ["Mike Wells" ] Re: happy birthday [Miles Goosens ] Re: News You Can Use [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:49:29 -0800 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: alphabet Chas in LA writes: don't know if this subject has been mentioned before, but has anyone broached the subject of some how changing the order of the alphabet to "abcdFEGhij..." i dont know how hard it would be to alter what is so ingrained as the alphabet ... http://www.theweeklywalker.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:07:13 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Dou dout dwie, dou dout dwiet dout! At least the topic is music .... There is a song by Taj Mahal which includes a chorus with women singing " Dou dout dwie, dou dout dwiet dout", during which Taj speaks such things as " you sing it so much nicely " and " ah, sing it sing it ". What I recall of the verse is a list of places that Taj indicates that he will go, but it may only be one small part of this verse. Can any feg help me to identify this song? I have wondered on this during at least 20 years. - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 21:38:20 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: almost famous Anyone here own the Ken Burns "Baseball" VHS set? Anyone? Tews? Buehler? Pop that 9th tape into your VCR and forward 52 minutes to the start of '75 World Series. You'll see a sign that says "congratulations Red Sox." In the next shot you see the fans filing into Fenway Park. Freeze that shot and tell me if you see the same person I see there. This guy would have been 25 years old at the time and possibly still living and working in Boston, where he went to college. So if that ain't him I'm not sure I'm me. - -rUss np: Chuck Berry "Memphis" "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." --Rogers Hornsby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 08:44:30 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: alphabet "Walker, Charles" wrote: > > Chas in LA writes: don't know if this subject has been mentioned before, but > has anyone broached the subject of some how changing the order of the > alphabet to "abcdFEGhij..." get a Feg locale registered with ISO, and in it you can define your alphabetical order, currency, timezones, etc. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:19:18 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Dou dout dwie, dou dout dwiet dout! Fric Seek ye the one known as Godwin, but remember: few have entered his cave of rocknroll history and even fewer have returned. Take you this Tintern Abbey 8 track cartridge and remember: go! Matt >From: "Fric Chaud" >Reply-To: "Fric Chaud" >To: fricomanie >Subject: Dou dout dwie, dou dout dwiet dout! >Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:07:13 -0500 > >At least the topic is music .... > >There is a song by Taj Mahal which includes a chorus with women >singing " Dou dout dwie, dou dout dwiet dout", during which Taj >speaks such things as " you sing it so much nicely " and " ah, >sing it sing it ". What I recall of the verse is a list of places that Taj >indicates that he will go, but it may only be one small part of >this verse. Can any feg help me to identify this song? I have >wondered on this during at least 20 years. >-- >Fric Chaud - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:33:01 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Dou dout dwie, dou dout dwiet dout! matt sewell wrote: > > ... and remember: go! You forgot the bean, didn't you? Stewart (who has brought 1.5kg of tablet into the office, and watched it disappear at an incredible rate.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:24:23 +0000 From: "Snow Drop" Subject: The Bottom of the Well You say its -whose- birthday? Yahoo says Robyn's 49. I have seen different birth years given for him,one of which would make him a mere 48. I was wondering--which is it? As the world's best database -ever- I think we need to research this properly. I suggest displashing 5 ninja librarian frogs to Utter-Nimwit-Upper-Hamstring, the village of his birth, to get to the bottom of the well on this one. Failing that--has anyone ever asked him? xyz Kay "What was the old woman made of?" "Fuck-arse rock n roll" Robyn Hitchcock I Am Not Me - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:57:50 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: The Bottom of the Well According to http://www.fegmania.org/chrono.html: March 3, 1953 Robyn is born to parents Joyce and Raymond Hitchcock in West London, where he subsequently attends an all-male boarding school. Cheers Matt >From: "Snow Drop" >Reply-To: "Snow Drop" >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: The Bottom of the Well >Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:24:23 +0000 > >You say its -whose- birthday? > > > >Yahoo says Robyn's 49. I have seen different birth years given for >him,one of which would make him a mere 48. I was wondering--which is it? > > > >As the world's best database - -ever- I think we need to research this >properly. I suggest displashing 5 ninja librarian frogs to >Utter-Nimwit-Upper-Hamstring, the village of his birth, to get to the >bottom of the well on this one. Failing that--has anyone ever asked him? > >xyz Kay > >"What was the old woman made of?" > >"Fuck-arse rock n roll" Robyn Hitchcock I Am Not Me > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 14:22:19 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Talkin WWIII Blues... An interesting article, covering racial profiling and the inevitable problems therein... http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,661934,00.html Cheers Matt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:42:10 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Re:Tales from The Underwater, Tree Assignments/JH3 branches and leaves, branches and leaves branches and leaves, branches and leaves - --wasn't that the chorus of a song by John's Children in 1967? My mail bounces from jh3@winco.net - he has "blacklisted my domain." John, I'm perfectly legit. Perhaps I should mail from home ... Ross "don't want to seem impatient" Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:36:47 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: Departure Lounge news including some Upcoming gigs in texas and atlanta... http://www.departureloungemusic.com/ After all, they are four-sixths (two-thurds?) of the Rock Armada... - -- http://glasshotel.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 11:59:24 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Departure Lounge news At 09:36 AM 3/5/2002 -0800, bayard wrote: >including some Upcoming gigs in texas and atlanta... > >http://www.departureloungemusic.com/ > >After all, they are four-sixths (two-thurds?) of the Rock Armada... And they live here in Nashville now, so there's yet another reason for Robyn to play here more often, instead of his normal "every four to six years" Nashville schedule... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 12:03:34 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: The Bottom of the Well At 01:24 PM 3/5/2002 +0000, Snow Drop wrote: >You say its -whose- birthday? > > > >Yahoo says Robyn's 49. I have seen different birth years given for >him,one of which would make him a mere 48. I was wondering--which is it? > > > >As the world's best database -ever- I think we need to research this >properly. I suggest displashing 5 ninja librarian frogs to >Utter-Nimwit-Upper-Hamstring, the village of his birth, to get to the >bottom of the well on this one. He could just become a Latin American baseball player, except if he does, he'll turn out to be 53. He might not like that, though I'm sure he could work "fungo" and "Gookie Dawkins" into a mildy amusing ditty. See http://www.baseballamerica.com:81/today/features/agechart.html if this doesn't make any sense to you. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 11:59:47 -0600 From: JH3 Subject: Re: Tales from The Underwater, Tree Assignments From: ross taylor : > My mail bounces from jh3@winco.net - he has > "blacklisted my domain." > John, I'm perfectly legit. Perhaps I should > mail from home ... Winco.net isn't my domain -- it used to be an independent regional ISP based in Des Moines, IA, but now it's part of the deceptively large InfoAve.net network of local/rural ISP's based in North (or is it South?) Carolina who've taken especially cruel advantage of the regulations favoring rural telco monopolies. (That reminds me -- why *hasn't* Jeme been posting recently?) Anyway, I suspect they suppressed you because they thought you were making fun of them! Most of them live inside a large photocopier located in downtown Zagreb, and they don't seem to think there's anything unusual about their lifestyle. And they can get really touchy sometimes... It's especially vital that you never refer to them as "quirky." Anyway, if anyone else gets suppressed, oppressed, or depressed by winco.net, you can always send me e-mail at jh3.com (it doesn't matter what's entered to the left of the @ symbol - be creative!). But please, that's *only* if such unwarranted blacklisting occurs. John "smashed, blocked" Hedges III ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:54:38 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: the global war against globalization From Genoa to al-Qaeda to Jerry Falwell, It's The Same Battle by Dave Faries Not long ago a friend of mine received a series of nasty emails, including death threats and one oddly poetic stream of epithets aimed at her and the United States asking us to perform acts beyond the limits of cultural taboo and physical possibility. It was not, for her, a typical day. The incident started when her company, Countrywatch.com, accidentally listed a few Aegean islands as Turkish instead of Greek. Now, if some map maker somewhere in the world referred to Puerto Rico as British or Guam as part of Japan, most Americans would either scoff at the abilities of that particular map maker or fail to notice the error. But angry Greeks responded by bombarding Countrywatch.com with computer viruses, demanding apologies, issuing threats, praising Osama bin Laden, or just railing in general about the inherent evil of American hegemony although, to behonest, they used the f-word a lot more than words like hegemony............. Change Occurs Over Time In many ways, then, these disparate forces of protest view us as the enemy. The fundamentalist Christians never controlled American tastes and actions, but they created a nice myth of a faithful and obedient country destroyed by wrongheaded court decisions and a permissive press. Thus they lash out at 'liberals' and other targets within our society. They may preach patriotism, but they wish to destroy this country's ideals. Bin Laden and his charges fail to separate the actions of America, the cultural behemoth, and America, the government. They also may be a bit jealous. Islam lost its significance as a shaper of culture several centuries ago when a movement led by a cleric named al-Ghazali crushed an innovative and liberal scientific tradition that had flourished in the Arabic world for some 400 years. The west fought its battles in the other direction, with the Renaissance and Reformation slowly prying European culture loose from Medieval bonds. The genius of America is the separation of church and state, which minimizes the role of religion as an arbiter of social behavior. In truth, while majorities mention God, few in the western world fight for God. To say, as many of our academic elite have, that we bear some responsibility for the Muslim worldhatred, misses the point. Success in a western culture demands a more open economy, more secure property rights, more freedom to invest. State control and dictatorships rarely offer these options. But few of the 48 countries with a Muslim majority or near majority have developed a stable, democratic, system of government. Instead, corrupt elites control their economic and social destinies, denying equal education, locking the masses in a cultural prison. This is not to say that all democratic governments are free of corruption. Nor does it suggest that they must adopt a system similar to ours in order to prosper. India, China, Mexico, and Vietnam all forged growth spurts after opening up their economies a bit. But they must adapt. Oh, and Americans know as little about the Hindu religion as we do about Islam and India somehow manages to avoid attacking us. The anti-globalization protesters at least target multi-national corporations and international government bodies, rather than mindlessly targeting Americans. Nike, Ford, Microsoft, the International Monetary Fund, and other such entities bear more responsibility for the cultural change than the Pentagon. The al-Qaeda attack on the World Trade Center suggests that bin Laden at least understands the role Western corporations play in crushing his cherished culture of ignorance and misogyny. But anti-globalization types strike equally hard, whether in Italy, Canada, or the streets of Seattle...... China's limited reforms spurred and economic growth rate of 9 percent annually during the 1980s and 1990s. India developed pockets of growth based on technology and opened their borders, generating increased trade and an annual income growth rate of 4 percent, per capital. The sweatshops so prevalent in American minds are an unpleasant part of the long-term development process or has everyone forgotten about the miserable factories and displacement of labor in this country during our period of cultural and economic transformation? Change occurs over time, and rarely without some destruction. Like many people, I prefer a meal prepared with fresh ingredients to a McDonald's hamburger. I travel to historic sites, try out traditional Japanese sake service, traditional English high tea, and the like. I don't want to see these things obliterated by pop culture. But I cannot say we are responsible in any part for the Arabic world's hatred. Cultural change is an on going process, creating friction, destroying cherished ways of life, and always recreating. It has been that way ever since Arab scholars introduced ignorant, backwoods westerners to the wonders of science, oh so many centuries ago. http://articles.thetechmag.com/articles/?0,1651,0131010,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:51:08 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: happy birthday on 3/4/02 1:31 PM, n'woj at woj@smoe.org wrote: > apparently, robyn rates -- he got a birthday mention in the associated press's > "today in history" on march 3rd: > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020303/ap_on_to_in_hi/hist > ory_58 > > woj Following the RH link on this page leads you to, among other things, a link to a Dallas band called "Robot Monster Weekend." Anybody ever heard their stuff? It looks like they put on a pretty wacky show. Anybody have any beet recipes? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:28:36 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: beet me silly On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Tom Clark wrote: > Anybody have any beet recipes? Beet recipes are no longer supposed to exist, but they do. Stewed Beets Scrub small beets without breaking the skin, and do not trim the roots or the tops too closely. Boil until tender; then drain, cover with cold water, and push off the skins with the hands. Cut each beet into eighths lengthwise, or if very small, into quarters. Put into a saucepan with a small amount of water or stock, vegetable butter and salt to suit, and let simmer under cover for 20 minutes, then serve. Beets Italian Style Prepare and cook the beets as for the above . Put 1 tablespoon vegetable butter and 1/2 tablespoon flour together in a saucepan and stir. Add 1/4 cup cold water, and stir until smooth and thick. Add 1/2 cup vegetable broth or water, and bring to a boil. Add salt to taste, 1 tablespoon lemon juice, and the boiled and cut beets, and let simmer for 20 minutes or more; then serve. Buttered Beets Cook the beets the same as directed in the preceding , and slice them thin. Put into a saucepan with salt and enough vegetable butter to season. Add a little lemon juice, reheat, and serve. Scalloped Beets Add enough rich cream sauce to sliced boiled beets to moisten them, and lay in a baking pan. Grate fresh crumbs over the top, moistening them with a little cream or milk. Put small bits of vegetable butter on top, and brown in the oven. http://www.freerecipe.org np straight, no chaser - m.d. and j.c. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 12:02:11 -0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: happy birthday I have a lot of beet recipes, but have not used them yet... e On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 10:51 AM, Tom Clark wrote: > on 3/4/02 1:31 PM, n'woj at woj@smoe.org wrote: > >> apparently, robyn rates -- he got a birthday mention in the associated >> press's >> "today in history" on march 3rd: >> >> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020303/ap_on_to_in_hi/ >> hist >> ory_58 >> >> woj > > Following the RH link on this page leads you to, among other things, a > link > to a Dallas band called "Robot Monster Weekend." Anybody ever heard > their > stuff? It looks like they put on a pretty wacky show. > > Anybody have any beet recipes? > > -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 15:11:41 -0500 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: happy birthday My recipe for success with beets is to keep them away from the food. ;-} E "come back Eb"l At 12:02 PM 3/5/02 -0800, Eleanor wrote: >I have a lot of beet recipes, but have not used them yet... > >e > >On Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 10:51 AM, Tom Clark wrote: > >> >> Anybody have any beet recipes? >> >> -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:36:56 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: News You Can Use >From Reuters: "An 80-page fax containing details of Queen Elizabeth's Australian tour was accidentally faxed to a McDonalds fast food restaurant in Brisbane, a spokeswoman for Buckingham Palace said......the blunder made headlines in Australia alongside the latest gaffe by Prince Philip, renowned for his tactless comments, who asked an Aborigine on Friday whether tribes still threw spears at each other......visit has been dogged by a scandal over her local envoy, Governor-General Peter Hollingworth, who is under pressure for mishandling and playing down child sex abuse cases during his previous career as an Anglican archbishop." You know, try as we might it's just too damn hard to improve on reality. Michael "did you want fries with that rooburger?" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:53:02 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: happy birthday At 03:11 PM 3/5/2002 -0500, Eric Loehr wrote: >My recipe for success with beets is to keep them away from the food. ;-} > >E "come back Eb"l Eb was recently spotted ridiculing doe-eyed power pop followers on the Audities list. See also, "Fish, shooting in barrel." I like pickled beets. I did not like Eleventh Dream Day's BEET, no matter how I tried to stomach it. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:34:14 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: News You Can Use Mike Wells wrote: > >From Reuters: > "An 80-page fax containing details of Queen Elizabeth's Australian > tour was accidentally faxed to a McDonalds fast food restaurant in > Brisbane, a spokeswoman for Buckingham Palace said......the > blunder made headlines in Australia alongside the latest gaffe by > Prince Philip, renowned for his tactless comments, who asked an > Aborigine on Friday whether tribes still threw spears at each > other......visit has been dogged by a scandal over her > local envoy, Governor-General Peter Hollingworth, who is under > pressure for mishandling and playing down child sex abuse cases > during his previous career as an Anglican archbishop." > > You know, try as we might it's just too damn hard to improve on > reality. > > Michael "did you want fries with that rooburger?" Wells this is even more fun than the Secret Service leaving their plans on Dick Cheney's security detail at the hat shop during the Olympics, and then NOT giving the guy who found them an autograph (which presumably would've kept the guy silence)! ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #74 *******************************