From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #71 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, March 1 2002 Volume 11 : Number 071 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Tales From The Underwater, Update. ["Maximilian Lang" ] gorky's red heaven [drew ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #70 [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Talking Smiths angel ["Snow Drop" ] What the....?! [carole reichstein ] Re: Talking Smiths angel ["Fric Chaud" ] RE: Reap [The other Mr Feg ] WMA to AIFF? [Mike Swedene ] New Oasis (0% Hitchcock) [Mike Swedene ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #70 [Michael R Godwin ] Re: New Oasis (0% Hitchcock) [" FS Thomas" ] imitation "robyn monologue" ["ross taylor" ] Re: New Oasis (0% Hitchcock) [Mike Swedene ] more tales of greed ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: more tales of greed ["mel" ] Re: more tales of greed [FS Thomas ] A Cone! ["n'woj" ] RE: more tales of greed ["Brian Huddell" ] RE: imitation "robyn monologue" ["Poole, R. Edward" ] RE: more tales of greed [FS Thomas ] RE: more tales of greed ["Brian Huddell" ] RE: more tales of greed [Eric Loehr ] RE: more tales of greed [Eric Loehr ] RE: more tales of greed ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: more tales of greed [Tom Clark ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:43:29 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Tales From The Underwater, Update. All branch copies are in the mail. Finally, Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:41:49 -0500 From: mary Subject: Re: DC fegs in NY Bayard - Bottom Line has an email reservation service. You send them an email to reserve your seats then you can pay at the door. http://www.bottomlinecabaret.com/reservations_index.html If this is something you guys don't want to do, I can stop by and get tickets for all of you. Mary >it looks like chris, melissa and i will be coming up for the april shows >in NYC. What kind soul will get us tickets? We want to see both gigs >that night, and we are good for it > >-- >http://glasshotel.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:57:04 -0800 From: drew Subject: gorky's red heaven > From: "Natalie Jane" > What happened at this Kristin Hersh show was that this girl was > screaming > "Kristin, I love you!" and Kristin smiled and said "Thank you!" Then > the > girl screamed, "The Throwing Muses were my life!" and Kristin responded > sadly, "They were my life, too. And now I'm here." (This was very > shortly > after the Muses officially broke up.) I actually have this on tape > somewhere... That's kind of nice. Hersh seems pretty good at talking to the audience. > "Strange Angels" is OK - there's some good songs on it, like "Gazebo > Tree." > I reviewed "Sky Motel" for WCBN and was sufficiently underwhelmed that I > didn't buy it. "Sunny Border Blue" is stronger, but has a sort of bland > flavor to it. I actually haven't managed to listen to it all the way > through, but I don't have the heart to sell it. I saw her perform some > of > the songs live and they were better than on the album. I agree wholeheartedly with the latter sentence. I had exactly the reverse experience with Strange Angels and Sky Motel -- reviewed the former for WRUR and failed to buy as a result, like the latter OK thanks to songs like "A Cleaner Light." It reminds me a little of Red Heaven, though the latter is much better. Any SF fegs going to see Gorky's Zygotic Mynci tonight? Drew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:07:38 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #70 >> MILLER GENUINE DRAFT >> ROBYN HITCHCOCK who are Miller Genuine, and what did Robyn do to get drafted? On a similar kick, am I the only one to appreciate the loal movie theatre's sign which currently reads ALI LORD OF THE RINGS ? James nreading - Puckoon. Goon but not forgotten. nflying - Y ddraig goch ar llawr hanner gwyrdd ac hanner wen. nplaying - Kendra Smith - Five ways of disappearing James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:52:35 +0000 From: "Snow Drop" Subject: Talking Smiths angel Thank you Drew, Ken and Roberta for the Muse news. Drew, thanks for the feedback in B&S. What I like about them is not only the skewed Smiths angel, but the weird 60s cheesy sound filtered thru I dont know what added into their 90s disaffected thing. And I like how the guy can sing, but sometimes talks the lyrics. Talking your lyrics is its own art(also--youve got to have decent lyrics in the first place to do it.) Fric's fun with English props almost as mally as mine. Still I bet theres a group out there somewhere called Standing Love. (see Nat-- no no-no "s:-) Hmmm, still don't know plans for NY are but -is- anyone going to buy tickets at the box office? A deadline might inspire me to get this sorted out. Kay, Queen of Compost _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:39:02 -0800 (PST) From: carole reichstein Subject: What the....?! I just popped into my bedroom to see what was going on with the Grammys (I'm also cooking chicken and cleaning the kitchen floor at once), and there's some commercial on, a guy waiting impatiently for a little old lady to get out of her parking space... ..I hear some familiar jangly chords...no, couldn't be... "I WANNA DESTROY YOU!" goes the chorus. Yes, the Soft Boys have made it onto prime time broadcast TV. I screeched with laughter and delight. What was the ad for? Volkswagen perhaps? They always have clever ads. My bubble bursts when "Amazon..com" appears on the screen. What the fuck? Well, hey, I'm thrilled that Robyn and the boys got some royalties. But my independent bookseller sensibilities are somewhat miffed. Well hell. I gotta give them credit for a delightful commercial break interlude. This must be the first time a Hitchcock tune has been used in a TV commercial. Or is it? Mmm. Chicken! Carole Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:57:03 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: Talking Smiths angel On 28 Feb 2002, at 23:52, Snow Drop wrote: > Fric's fun with English props almost as mally as mine. I think you said my English is feeble. I excuse myself, sometimes I make more effort to correct my letters when I don't hurry too much. Is English your mother tongue? - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:26:10 -0800 From: The other Mr Feg Subject: RE: Reap Hamish Simpson: > > Spike Milligan. > > fuck! As anyone who has read "Puckoon" will know, the more appropriate response is "balls!". ~N ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:11:20 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: WMA to AIFF? Any suggestions on converting WMA FILES to AIFF? herbie ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 00:08:13 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: New Oasis (0% Hitchcock) New Oasis Song can be heard in the ever popualr MP3 format by going here: http://www.atpcz.com/supernovaftp/files.htm For those who want to hear who they sound like this album. I get an early stones feeling from the song...very rough vocals. I hope the album is good. Herbie np - OASIS "The Hindu Times" ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:06:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #70 On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, James Dignan wrote: > nreading - Puckoon. Goon but not forgotten. News item in the Times: "A leopard has escaped from the zoo. So far, keepers have failed to spot the dangerous escaped animal". Milligan (letter to paper): "Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that leopards were always spotted". > nflying - Y ddraig goch ar llawr hanner gwyrdd ac hanner wen. A red dragon, yes. Gwyrdd and wen must be green and white? Oh yes, like 'Hen wen' in Lloyd Alexander. Hanner must be something like background or stripe. No idea about llawr. > nplaying - Kendra Smith - Five ways of disappearing So what's happened to David Roback? Oh, I've just found out from that they split getting on for 20 years ago. Doesn't time fly when you're not paying attention? - - MRG PS They seemed to be having some disagreements about the Afghan flag recently. What's the latest, James? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:54:37 -0500 From: " FS Thomas" Subject: Re: New Oasis (0% Hitchcock) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Swedene" > For those who want to hear who they sound like this > album. I get an early stones feeling from the > song...very rough vocals. I hope the album is good. That site might be down. And the mirror. Or maybe it's just my connection. Either way it's all 404. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:29:10 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: imitation "robyn monologue" Since things seem a bit slow, and in honor and anticipation of Max's Tales From Underwater project, here's another of my imitations of a Robyn-between-song-story things. I did it back in the summer, then things went crazy, & I just dug it back up. It's imaginatively called -- - --- COPYING ROBYN [last notes of "Dark Green Energy" fade--] A civilization grew up inside a xerox machine. When you lifted the cover and looked down thru the glass into the darkness, before you put the magazine or whatever down, you could dimly see the rooftops and spires of the churches, the telephone lines strung up and down the streets and the roads connecting the little towns. It was a newish xerox machine and they hadn't grown any big cities in there yet. When someone pressed the copy button, the light would come on like a huge electrical storm and all the letters and words would fall down all over the towns and farmhouses, big technical words could fall and kill cattle, a big German verb could wipe out a herd of sheep or bash in the roof of a grocery store. Big pictures would drift down and just stick to everything, it could be a photo of 'N Sync acting like puppets on a stage and the bodies would just cover a field but their heads would flatten in a sticky way on a long stretch of country road and a driver would come over the hill and not be able to stop and slide into them and he would become horribly young. They had theories about the lights and stuff that came down, and some scientists would go out and collect words and bits of pictures, but then there would be another copy storm and everyone knew that the scientists had offended the magazine god, so they would seize the scientists and drag them to a big spread on Martha Stewart and throw them in, then back away, chanting to the heavens, while what was left of the scientists got very quiet and perfect. Then the toner began to run out and at first people were glad that the copy rain was lighter, but they looked and saw that they were getting lighter too and they called out to each other but their voices were getting so high they could barely hear each other, calling out to their lovers "we're fading, but it was really fun, wasn't it?" "Yeah, love you, guess this is just how it goes" "I always wished I could go to New Zealand, but oh well ..." And Then. They were. Just white. OK, here goes-- [starts into "The Ruling Class"] - --- Happy Friday. Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:40:02 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: New Oasis (0% Hitchcock) try here: http://www.divxsource.com/oasis2.shtml herbie ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:28:48 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: more tales of greed good NY Times article on "copy protected" CDs: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/01/technology/01PROT.html?todaysheadlines (you need to register to read NY Times online, but it is free). I do not see how they can get away with this, either from a purely market-driven standpoint (who wants to pay $17 for a product that has such limited use?) or from a legal standpoint. How can you forbid the legal use of a product, just because there are also illegal uses? Should we manufacture cars that, in the U.S. at least, are incapable of speeds in excess of 65 MPH? Should we ban cigarette lighters because some people use them to smoke crack or pot? I urge everyone on the list to get involved, either politically or through the exercise of your power as consumers, to defeat this nefarious technology. I would be crushed to have my iPod rendered worthless because the music industry wants to prevent me from making legal copies of music I purchased. - -ed p.s. in the interests of full disclosure, I do not entirely believe the "legal" argument I sketched above. In the case of handguns, for example, I am all for forbidding "legal" uses because the predominant -- and much more important -- use of such "products" is to maim and kill. (Even pro-gun people will grudgingly admit that most handguns are useless for "sport," and only exist for criminal and law enforcement purposes). Still, one could distinguish between products where the primary uses are legal (playing and copying CDs for personal use) and ones where the primary uses are illegal (armed robbery, murder). ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:05:24 -0000 From: "mel" Subject: Re: more tales of greed "Poole, R. Edward" said: i'm wondering also where does this leave the record stores, not the big crappy warehouse places but the smaller stores like the one where i work. if they aren't telling consumers which discs are protected i assume they aren't telling the stores. i'm wondering if the retailers have to eat the cost of those returns since you're already given a fixed allowance for defective cds. i'll have to ask the next time i go to work. second question - does the NY Times consider CD's to be the plural form of CD? melissa > good NY Times article on "copy protected" CDs: > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/01/technology/01PROT.html?todaysheadlines > (you need to register to read NY Times online, but it is free). > > I do not see how they can get away with this, either from a purely > market-driven standpoint (who wants to pay $17 for a product that has such > limited use?) or from a legal standpoint. How can you forbid the legal use > of a product, just because there are also illegal uses? Should we > manufacture cars that, in the U.S. at least, are incapable of speeds in > excess of 65 MPH? Should we ban cigarette lighters because some people use > them to smoke crack or pot? I urge everyone on the list to get involved, > either politically or through the exercise of your power as consumers, to > defeat this nefarious technology. I would be crushed to have my iPod > rendered worthless because the music industry wants to prevent me from > making legal copies of music I purchased. > > -ed > > p.s. in the interests of full disclosure, I do not entirely believe the > "legal" argument I sketched above. In the case of handguns, for example, I > am all for forbidding "legal" uses because the predominant -- and much more > important -- use of such "products" is to maim and kill. (Even pro-gun > people will grudgingly admit that most handguns are useless for "sport," and > only exist for criminal and law enforcement purposes). Still, one could > distinguish between products where the primary uses are legal (playing and > copying CDs for personal use) and ones where the primary uses are illegal > (armed robbery, murder). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:39:17 -0800 (PST) From: FS Thomas Subject: Re: more tales of greed > second question - does the NY Times consider CD's to > be the plural form of CD? I /think/ it has to do with the idea that the apostrophe 's' is a clear delineation of the plural (and subsequently of the "cd is" contraction) where CDs could be minsconstrued as another acronym. - -f. - --- Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 13:44:43 -0500 From: "n'woj" Subject: A Cone! >From: "Mike Runion" >To: "n'woj" >Cc: "Bayard Catron" >Subject: Fw: A Cone! >Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:09:40 -0500 > >Heya woj, > >Just wanted to let you know there's a new cone in the Virtual Cone >Museum...an oldy from '97! I'm still unsubscribed, so I thought you could >pass along the info to the list. Thanks and hope all is well in fegdom... > >VCM: http://home.palmnet.net/~mrrunion/cones.htm > >Mike > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:41 PM >Subject: A Cone! > > > > Hi, > > I have a cone to contribute to your web site, if you wish to accept it. I >got > > it at Milestones, in Rochester, NY, on 3/7/97, judging from the >information > > already posted on your site. (I remember going to Rochester, but I didn't > > remember the name of the place, or exactly when, but I'm sure that's >right.) > > I'll send it as attachments in six e-mails. I saved them as GIFs; I hope >they > > aren't too big or too dark. (Lighting was a problem, but they look okay to > > me.) if you need anything else from me, let me know. Thanks for you noble > > services to us enlightened ones. > > > > Here's Part One. . . > > > > Ron Davidson > > Vermilion, Ohio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:51:26 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: more tales of greed > > second question - does the NY Times consider CD's to > > be the plural form of CD? > > I /think/ it has to do with the idea that the > apostrophe 's' is a clear delineation of the plural > (and subsequently of the "cd is" contraction) where > CDs could be minsconstrued as another acronym. That doesn't keep it from being pure evil. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:39:48 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: imitation "robyn monologue" It should be said (and I'm surprised I haven't seen it already): pure genius. Several loud laughs (and several suspicious looks from co-workers) later, and I'm still smiling at the recollection. You passed my test for quality "in the style of" writing: I could hear Robyn's voice in my head while reading your piece, and it sounded convincing. The attack of the German verbs, indeed... - -ed ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. 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To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:53:38 -0800 (PST) From: FS Thomas Subject: RE: more tales of greed I postulated: - ------------- > > I /think/ it has to do with the idea that the > > apostrophe 's' is a clear delineation of the > plural > > (and subsequently of the "cd is" contraction) > where > > CDs could be minsconstrued as another acronym. and Brian's retort was: - ----------------------- > That doesn't keep it from being pure evil. Don't get me wrong--I wasn't defending the practice! The last I heard it was within the owner's right to duplicate copyrighted material for personal use and/or archival purposes, no? Wouldn't their practice directly infringe on that and constitute some form of illegal activity? I'm almost positive the angry side of my brain is outpacing the side that's versed in legalities, here. Any opinions from the audience? - -f. - --- Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:10:03 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: more tales of greed > I postulated: > ------------- > > > I /think/ it has to do with the idea that the > > > apostrophe 's' is a clear delineation of the > > plural > > > (and subsequently of the "cd is" contraction) > > where > > > CDs could be minsconstrued as another acronym. > > and Brian's retort was: > ----------------------- > > That doesn't keep it from being pure evil. > > Don't get me wrong--I wasn't defending the practice! > The last I heard it was within the owner's right to > duplicate copyrighted material for personal use and/or > archival purposes, no? Wouldn't their practice > directly infringe on that and constitute some form of > illegal activity? Oops, I meant that using an apostrophe to pluralize an acronym was pure evil. Didn't mean to suggest that you were defending CD copy-protection. I can get pretty exercised over copy-protected CDs too, but they don't bother me nearly as much as copy-protected CD's. ;-) +brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:13:11 -0500 From: Eric Loehr Subject: RE: more tales of greed At 11:53 AM 3/1/02 -0800, you wrote: > >and Brian's retort was: >----------------------- >> That doesn't keep it from being pure evil. > >Don't get me wrong--I wasn't defending the practice! >The last I heard it was within the owner's right to >duplicate copyrighted material for personal use and/or >archival purposes, no? Wouldn't their practice >directly infringe on that and constitute some form of >illegal activity? I though Brian was saying that the use of the apostrophe in CD's was pure evil. El "valiantly trying to keep up the Eb sig tradition, but it just ain't the same" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:19:17 -0500 From: Eric Loehr Subject: RE: more tales of greed At 03:13 PM 3/1/02 -0500, Eric Loehr wrote: > >El "valiantly trying to keep up the Eb sig tradition, but it just ain't the >same" > Sorry to reply to my own stupid post, but I must apologize for the unauthorized use of quotes; that sig should have read: El, valiantly trying to keep up the Eb sig tradition, but it just ain't the same or maybe: E "valiantly trying to keep up the Eb sig tradition, but it just ain't the same"l ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:29:21 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: more tales of greed The chair previously recognized Mr. Thomas, who testified that: > The last I heard it was within the owner's right to >duplicate copyrighted material for personal use and/or archival purposes, no? You are correct. "Fair use" doctrine allows licensees (which is what you are when you buy a copy of a copyrighted work) to do such things as make "backup" copies and even incorporate a portion of the copyrighted work into a new creation (hence the murky legal doctrine surrounding sampling -- suffice to say, P. Diddy's wholesale "sampling" of copyrighted sound recordings goes beyond "fair use"). >Wouldn't their practice >directly infringe on that and constitute some form of >illegal activity? As much as I condemn the practice -- and agree that it is "evil" -- it isn't "illegal," per se. What they are doing is selling you a greatly more limited license to the copyrighted works. Under this new license, all you can do is listen to the music in a CD player (most CD-ROM and DVD-ROM drives will not play copy protected CDs). That's not illegal -- no more than, say, an orchard granting a license for consumers to pick their own strawberries, but not including the right to dig up and carry away apple trees. I think the interesting question (to me, anyway) is whether the recording industry is perpetrating a fraud on consumers by selling a product which they know the public will believe to convey the same license as in the past (i.e. a normal CD), but which is actually a severely limited license, compared to the public's expectations. The fact that at least some manufacturers include some explanation or disclaimer on the packaging is of little or no consequence. Under consumer protection statutes, the public is entitled to clear, explicit, and obvious (i.e., large bold print) notice. The way I see it, the recording industry is intentionally misleading the public -- if not peddling an outright lie -- with these restricted discs. They should be forced to place large bold lettering on every cover saying: "ATTENTION: THIS COMPACT DISC IS UNFIT FOR USE WITH COMPUTER CD-ROM DRIVES, DVD-ROM DRIVES, AND CONSUMER DVD PLAYERS. THE DATA CONTAINED ON THIS DISC MAY NOT BE COPIED OR MODIFIED IN ANY WAY, NOR MAY THE AUDIO FILES BE TRANSFERRED TO ANY OTHER DIGITAL MEDIA STORAGE DEVICE, SUCH AS COMPUTER HARD DRIVES OR DIGITAL MEDIA STORAGE/PLAYBACK DEVICES (e.g. MP3 PLAYERS)." Oh, and they should cost 1/3 as much as regular CDs, as the license they grant is so restrictive. >I'm almost positive the angry side of my brain is >outpacing the side that's versed in legalities, here. That's the nice thing about my job -- the anger and the legalities are a package deal. - -ed ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. 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To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 11:10:02 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: more tales of greed on 3/1/02 10:05 AM, mel at mel@higuchi.org wrote: > i'm wondering also where does this leave the record stores, not the big crappy > warehouse places but the smaller stores like the one where i work. if they > aren't telling consumers which discs are protected i assume they aren't > telling the stores. i'm wondering if the retailers have to eat the cost of > those returns since you're already given a fixed allowance for defective cds. Technically these discs aren't "Compact Discs" because they do not comply with the Red Book standard. Therefore, they shouldn't have the "Compact Disc Digital Audio" stamp on them. If they do, I suppose they could be sued by Philips, et al. On another note, how about that fuckwad from the RIAA using his Grammy airtime to spew his shit about how downloading music is depriving musicians of their livelihood? Fuck him and all his fellow corporate shitlickers. - -tc, unnervingly turned on by an email from Carole with the term "what the fuck?" in it. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #71 *******************************