From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #60 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, February 18 2002 Volume 11 : Number 060 Today's Subjects: ----------------- A Cat who loves his dog ["Abydos *" ] Re: The History of Shirts ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Important OT news ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Phall if you but, will rise you must... ["matt sewell" ] Re: year of the Cat [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: The T-shirt skilled in all ways of contending [Eric Loehr ] Re: A Cat who loves his dog [Jeff Dwarf ] pointless threads ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: The T-shirt skilled in all ways of contending [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeff] Re: The T-shirt skilled in all ways of contending [Ken Weingold ] Re: pointless sticks [gSs ] T-Shirt Wars (no RH content) ["Mike Wells" ] (no RH content) = (some RH content) ["Mike Wells" ] Re: pointless threads [Ken Weingold ] Delete before its too late ["Abydos *" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:34:40 +0000 From: "Abydos *" Subject: A Cat who loves his dog This is probobly too easy and there may be several ways to do this( but covers dont count)-- but can anybody better 3 degrees of seperation tween Cat Stevens and Robyn? _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 07:42:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: The History of Shirts > From: Michael R Godwin > > My oldest shirt is "He never made love to a loaf of bread" from the > same era. It doesn't fit any more because it _shrunk_ in the wash. Hey, that was my first Robyn shirt, too. Got it at the solo Tipitina's gig in New Orleans in '91 or so. I've never worn it, though, b/c it's a horrible 50/50 blend (no polyester shall ever touch my body) and it's too small. But I had to have it, even if it cost $16, which it did, and which is an outrageous price for such an awful shirt, incidentally. I've got two Soft Boys t-shirts, a green Mossy Liquor shirt, one of them bright green ones from the Flaming Lips tour thingee, and one or two others. Has anyone ever bothered to build a Website chronicling the History of Robyn t-shirts? I'd be glad to do it, if people would want to send me pics of their shirts. It could be fun. And how about a History of Robyn's Haircuts Website while we're at it ? ===== Eugene F. Hopstetter, Jr. + gene@hopstetter.com http://www.hopstetter.com Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:49:28 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: Robyn DVDs >("Stonking"... Is that a good thing?) > When I use it is. I note that the Economist used it for the same purpose see http://www.quinion.com/words/qa/qa-sto3.htm >The LP has the most material of the three, including the >following tracks not on the DVD: > >Statue With a Walkman >Eerie Green Storm Lantern >Where Do You Go When You Die? >The Wind Cries Mary >Beautiful Queen > >If you only have the CD, then you're missing the first two >of those and Devil's Radio... If you have the DVD and the LP, >you don't need the CD at all, for completism's sake at least. > SWaW is a track that I am missing - I didn't get the CD with it on and can't seem to find a 2nd hand one anywhere - so any version would be useful. Live versions of EGSL and Devils Radio would be nice. I've been offered the loan of a copy so I'll give that a spin before deciding on whether to buy or not. Incidently, any thoughts on the Hen dvd? I imagine the concert footage is like you'd imagine 80s footage of the Egyptians shot on a not-too-grand budget would be and the soundtrack as the cd but what about the vids for Man with the lightbuld head &c must see items or film of a man with a box on his head. brian. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 07:52:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Important OT news > From: "Fric Chaud" > > > OS X is faster, smarter, prettier, and easier to use than any version > > of Windows. - Robert X. Cringely I got my first taste of OS X on my wife's new Quicksilver G4 this weekend. Mmm, Unix. Mmm, fast. > Let's say someone started a sports car company using engines > and transmissions bought from Porsche. That's been done, kinda. The company's called Nissan. Their sports cars, starting with the 240Z in 1969, sold in the millions b/c they offered basically the same performance as a Porsche but at a fraction of the cost. > How many people would buy that new car, the Belchfire 400, over a > Porsche with SIMILAR POWER AND PERFORMANCE? None. Porsche buyers > buy Porsches for the brand as much as for the engine." But the Porsche technology *has been ported.* The fuel injection in my 1977 Datsun, for example, is based upon the Bosch fuel injection used by Porsche (or maybe it was BMW) -- instead of reinventing fuel injection, Nissan just licensed it from Bosch. I don't hear Porsche or Bosch complaining about it. ===== Eugene F. Hopstetter, Jr. + gene@hopstetter.com http://www.hopstetter.com Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:54:15 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Phall if you but, will rise you must... Cheers for the advice, Kay - happily I've already read Portrait of the Artist and The Odyssey, so looks like I've already done the background work..! I've already taken the plunge, although I'm only 60 or so pages in... fantastic so far as I find his style compelling in a way I'd find very difficult to convey in words... so much so I'm already looking forward to making an assault on Finnegan's Wake ;0) I always knew that giving up idle post-work TV gawping would lead to interesting places..! Cheers Matt >From: "Abydos *" >Reply-To: "Abydos *" >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: The T-shirt skilled in all ways of contending >Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:26:49 +0000 > >Matt: >>can anyone offer any advice as to how to go about reading >>it?! > >Im jumping into Quail territory here but this is what Id say if a >patron >asked. > >This may not be what you want to hear, but frankly I wouldn't want >to have >tried it without having first read "the Odessey" and " Portrait of >the >Artist as a Young Man." Then Id just dig in and let it rip. The >first time >you read something that dense is a mystic trip, baby;-). What I mean >is--if >course youre going to miss alot because youre just bowled over by >the >overload of it(think of it as loosing your virginity.) So just relax >and >enjoy it. > >Afterwords, if you like it, you can gain proficiency. Reread along >with >Anthong Burgess's of Robert Graves's commentaries. Contemplate etc. >Certain books are a life-long >venture.------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Quail and Ken: >>?(Of course, only, what, four >>or five of us are reading this thread? ;) > >Maybe more. Im reading happily. I love diagreement when its >agreeable and >informing. > >------------------------------- > >T-shirt wars > >Im going to be real obnoxious here. How about a thread of favorite >old >t-shirts, with extra points if they still fit. Unfortunetyly due to >an early >perphetic existance most of my old t shirst are mere shadows in the >mamory >museum... however, I do have a an old Trouser Press black T with >their >production sched for 78 on it. And yeah--it fits. > >------------------------------------------------------ > >The last time I took a vac from the list was, I think, when everyone >was >arguing bout printing up a special Fegmaniax t-shirt. The only thing >we >seemed all to agree on was that it should be dark green. Did it ever >get >made? What happened? > >-------------------------------------- > >Doug > >Well, you left a tape on my porch, so I figured you may have crashed >there. >Glad to hear you were on the road. (However, If I rememeber that >night >correctly thou--should you have been on the road;-? > >-------------------------------------- > >What was Robyn doing in Boston in 76? > >------------------------------------------ > >I love Cat Stevens, early and late. Love his delicate, stong voice, >his >perfect pop melodies and some of his lyrics.There's a winsome >quality to his >voice whic I also hear in Ben Harper. > >I get the feeling there's an interesting story there too. Alot of >talent, >fame, then a complete retreat. First as a youngin with >tuberculiousis(?!?), >then older with Islam. Same sorta pattern. I find that interesting. > >-------------------------- > > >Kay, who remembers that Sandra and Turdi were in Brooklyn, but not >the >actual address > >n.p YAY!(Im home and have music on this dang machine for once) > >Lloyd Cole, Etta James, Sly and a bit by Robyn I found on Morpheous >"If you >hear music." What is this? > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: >http://mobile.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:31:56 -0800 From: barbara soutar Subject: Sufis and things Oh, I hated the Simpson's episode on Canada, only 4 to 5 minutes devoted to satirizing a whole country.... just not enough time! The politics here in British Columbia is absurd enough for many episodes, we swing from the extreme left to extreme right every decade or so. And I just keep voting for the Green Party in my optimism! About Moslems and Sufis (referring back to the Cat Stevens debate): I hear that the Sufis were a rebel sect of Islam who were persecuted and punished, along the same lines as the Quakers in England many centuries ago. So, if music is allowed in the Sufi sect then it doesn't mean that Moslems are alright with it in general. It strikes me that Cat Stevens originally joined a very strict sect of Islam, but has modified his life a bit to include music in the last few years. I know I said I was finished chatting about Cat, but I have no Robyn T-shirt stories to offer. I really have to go and see one of his shows, maybe in Seattle? Does he ever appear in Vancouver? Barbara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:47:35 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: year of the Cat >I love Cat Stevens, early and late. Love his delicate, stong voice, his >perfect pop melodies and some of his lyrics.There's a winsome quality to his >voice whic I also hear in Ben Harper. > >I get the feeling there's an interesting story there too. Alot of talent, >fame, then a complete retreat. First as a youngin with tuberculiousis(?!?), >then older with Islam. Same sorta pattern. I find that interesting. the story is that he was swimming off the California beach where his manager was living and got caught in a rip. He prayed that if God would save him he'd do something Good with his life. Suddenly he found himself being buffeted back to shore. When he went back to the UK a week later (without having told his family about this near-drowning) his brother handed him a book on Islam and said 'you might find this useful'. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:05:41 -0500 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: The T-shirt skilled in all ways of contending At 03:26 PM 2/18/02 +0000, Kay wrote: >T-shirt wars > >Im going to be real obnoxious here. How about a thread of favorite old >t-shirts, with extra points if they still fit. Unfortunetyly due to an early >perphetic existance most of my old t shirst are mere shadows in the mamory >museum... Tom? JH3? Who wants to take this one? ;-} >The last time I took a vac from the list was, I think, when everyone was >arguing bout printing up a special Fegmaniax t-shirt. The only thing we >seemed all to agree on was that it should be dark green. Did it ever get >made? What happened? I thought we decided that you were going take it from there. Hmm....no wonder nothing ever happened ... ;-}} El "filling in for Eb, as best he can, sig-wise" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:29:31 -0800 From: Chris Franz Subject: Re: B = Bayard =b: >Now a much more productive thread would be, meeting Eddie for the first >time. For me it was in the line to get into Bumbershoot 1997. I asked if >it would be ok for Cynthia and Chris Franz and me to join them in line and >he said nonchalantly, "Hey, we're fegs!" meaning, i guess, that fegs can >do anything. Wait a minute, Bayard.... I didn't meet Eddie on that trip. I first saw Eddie the following spring when he showed up (in sweat pants) at my door with Jeme and Karen in preparation for the Storefront Hitchcock premiere in San Francisco. That August in Seattle, I didn't meet the gang until after the Bumbershoot show, when I met Cynthia, Bayard, Daniel Saunders, Jeme, Jeme's sleeping friend Ian, and the Reichstein twins all gathered around a news report of Princess Di's car crash. Are you sure you have the right Chris? - - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:21:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: A Cat who loves his dog Abydos * wrote: > This is probobly too easy and there may be several ways to do this > (but covers dont count)-- but can anybody better 3 degrees of > seperation tween Cat Stevens and Robyn? in the name of procrastination... according to allmusic.com, Dave Mattacks plays drums on CS _Back to Earth_ and on Kimberley Rew's _Tunnel into Summer_, which also features Robyn Hitchcock, so either 1 or 2 depending on whether Mattacks and Robyn are on any of the same TIS trax. also, at 2, you can go Don Gehman (eng BtE for CS), Produced R.E.M., Peter Buck... ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:49:07 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: pointless threads >Im going to be real obnoxious here. How about a thread of favorite >old >t-shirts, with extra points if they still fit. My oldest shirt is an REM shirt, purchased in high school (i.e. about 15 years ago - good god!). It has a picture of Athens on the front and the then-four REM guys on the back. It still fits because it's very large, but it got permanently smudgy after I wore it while cleaning the kitchen at my co-op, so I don't wear it anymore. I can't contribute anything interesting to the "first Robyn show" thread because my first show was the MABD tour and you all know about that already. But I do enjoy bragging about my first show ever. Everyone else's first show was Air Supply or Journey at the State Fair, but my first show was the Pixies! Ha! (I believe our very own Eleanore was at that show, at the now-defunct Latin Quarter in Detroit.) Finally, irrelevantly, I would like to mention that I have been listening *obsessively* to "Featuring 'Birds'" by Quasi for the last two weeks, and I have no idea why. Quasi's mopey main man Sam Coomes sometimes goes to trivia night at a bar near my apartment; perhaps he is sending out evil influences of some sort. Perhaps he and Carl Palmer are plotting together. I wouldn't put it past either of them. gnat "must resist the unearthly power of the roxichord" the gnatster _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:35:04 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: The T-shirt skilled in all ways of contending On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Abydos * wrote: > perphetic existance most of my old t shirst are mere shadows in the mamory > museum... Ah yes, the Mammary Museum... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"Shut up, you truculent lout, and let the cute little pixie sing!":: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:35:05 -0800 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: The T-shirt skilled in all ways of contending On Mon, Feb 18, 2002, Abydos * wrote: > T-shirt wars > > Im going to be real obnoxious here. How about a thread of favorite old > t-shirts, with extra points if they still fit. Unfortunetyly due to an > early perphetic existance most of my old t shirst are mere shadows in the > mamory museum... however, I do have a an old Trouser Press black T with > their production sched for 78 on it. And yeah--it fits. I have a few. Iron Maiden concert shirt from the Somewhere In Time tour. Probably still fits me, if a bit short now. 1st MTV Video Music Awards. Sept. 14, 1984. Hardly ever warn, front and back prints still stiff. Die Haut - Head On. The band gave it to me in Sao Paulo, Brazil. Crass - "Jesus Died For His Own Sins, Not Mine". Guaranteed to piss people off. Rarely wear it these days. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:32:26 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Sufis and things Barbara writes, >About Moslems and Sufis (referring back to the Cat Stevens debate): I >hear that the Sufis were a rebel sect of Islam who were persecuted and >punished, along the same lines as the Quakers in England many centuries >ago. Not at all -- they were not "rebels," although at the beginning of Sufism, the movement taught a certain sense of withdrawal from society in order to seek for God in oneself. Oddly, despite this, certain Sufi movements became nearly canonized as state religions during various times. However, it is true that at other times and places, they were looked at askance or even persecuted, depending on the level of withdrawal they preached or the aberrations they allowed in their ecstatic pursuit of God. (Dancing themselves into states of religious ecstasy was a common practice, hence "whirling dervishes.") Also, at times some Sufi movements veered into radicalism, similar to hippies, and were quite open to scorn or worse. On a side note, I cannot recommend more highly the poetry of Jalal-e-Din Rumi, a Sufi master from the thirteenth century. His love poems are wonderful -- "Like This" is one of my favorite poems. >So, if music is allowed in the Sufi sect then it doesn't mean that >Moslems are alright with it in general. It's probably important to keep in mind that Islam is a very complex religion with numerous currents, schools of thought, and internal debates -- very much like Christianity or Judaism. It's like talking about Christians being all right with dancing -- a few are not, a few dance solely for God, and most just don't think about it. It doesn't say a whole lot about the religion in general. Akbar al-Qu'ayyl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:35:13 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: pointless sticks On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Natalie Jane wrote: > But I do enjoy bragging about my first show ever. Everyone else's first > show was Air Supply or Journey at the State Fair, but my first show was the > Pixies! My first RH show was when he opened for REM on the Green tour. My first rh shirt was the green 'jewels for sophia' number with blue(?) trim. My first "concert" was The Kinks in 1981 at the Dallas Convention Center. The Kings opened if I recall correctly. Remember 'switching to glide' or whatever the hell their dreadful one hit wonder was? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:52:45 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: T-Shirt Wars (no RH content) Ken: > Iron Maiden concert shirt from the Somewhere In Time tour. Probably > still fits me, if a bit short now. Oooooh, I had one from the "Powerslave" tour, 1985 or so. Hell if I know what happened to it. First tour T-shirt was Rush from the "Grace Under Pressure" tour 1984, one of those white panel jersey shirts with long black sleeves. Last seen as being slightly larger than a postage stamp, before crossing the dryer event horizon and disappearing completely. I may still have the tattered program somewhere, though. Oldest surviving shirt is a toss-up between "The Firm" from their only tour and Sammy Hagar's "VOA" tour (I can't Drive 55). The Hagar's a classic black muscle tee with a parachuting Red Rocker landing on a map of the US, guitar in hand. Fabulous. Shirt I had which provoked the strongest reaction was one from Roger Water's "Pro's and Con's of Hitchhiking Tour," which featured a cross-eyed, star-haloed dog holding a joint and beer against a flourescent yellow spiral background and the immortal text "I'll tell you something, I've had a few." It was a tight-fitting muscle tee to boot. That one disappeared awfully quickly. Second place went to a tasty black "Twisted Sister" job with a full-front snarling Dee Snider, obtained when I saw them open for Dio. That one mysteriously vanished as well). Best designed tee in my collection has to be Santana's "Sacred Fire" tour, a flowing red number w/ fantastic colors. Still suitable for dressy-casual situations (with a belt) and summer BBQ's (with no pants). I haven't been entranced enough with any of RH's recent tour shirts to pick one up, though I think I noted after the last SB's tour that if they'd have had one of those "bowling team on ludes" blue shirts with orange piping in a size larger than 'child' I would have bought two. C'est la Vie. Michael "mr. mothballs" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:01:16 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: (no RH content) = (some RH content) > I haven't been entranced enough with any of RH's recent tour shirts to pick > one up, though I think I noted after the last SB's tour that if they'd have > had one of those "bowling team on ludes" blue shirts with orange piping in a > size larger than 'child' I would have bought two. Of course, when I said "none" I meant "some." Michael "and don't forget the bit about cannabalism" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:20:53 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Luna at Maxwell's Any Fegs going to the Luna show on Saturday at Maxwell's? Max _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:38:36 -0800 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: pointless threads On Mon, Feb 18, 2002, Natalie Jane wrote: > I can't contribute anything interesting to the "first Robyn show" thread > because my first show was the MABD tour and you all know about that > already. But I do enjoy bragging about my first show ever. Everyone > else's first show was Air Supply or Journey at the State Fair, but my first > show was the Pixies! Ha! (I believe our very own Eleanore was at that > show, at the now-defunct Latin Quarter in Detroit.) Oh, no, you got me! My first concert WAS Air Supply! In 1984 at Radio City Music Hall. But the next year I saw Dire Straits, the next Heart (and Honeymoon Suite - hehe), and the next Iron Maiden. All cool stuff from then on. :) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 02:26:08 +0000 From: "Abydos *" Subject: Delete before its too late I admit, at this moment I am sludge. I gather from off-list correspondance Ive recieved today that I want to see the digest but, the digest is taking its own sweet time spitting out. And I am a curious sort growing more and more curiosier. So what should I send to con the digerst into action, a political screed, favorit recipe, some -more- off-color jokes? Nope. A Baroque Timeline on german and english esoteric movements that culminated in The Chapter of Perfection which settled a few miles from my house in 1694. On the off-chance that someone might actually proofread it for me. One of these days when I get my local history site up this will be on it. Seriously, unless your a German professeur, delete now. you have been warned. (Hmmm-and it even transposed weird. All the better.) Kay TIMELINE (Major Players and Zeitgeist.) Date Event 1575 Birth of Boehme 1604 Vault of Christian Rosencreutz discovered. 1607 Birth of Pordage. 1612 Boehme writes Aurora 1614-16 Publication of first Rosicrucian documents 1620 Frederick V of the Palatine accepts throne of Bohemia. Battle of the White Mountain. 1623 Birth of Leade. 1624 Death of Boehme. 1635 Birth of Spener. 1636 Birth of Rosenrath. Birth of Furly. 1644 Birth of Zimmerman. 1660 Spener studies Kabbala with the circle around Princess Antonia of Wurttemburg. 1662 Birth of Koster. 1663 Birth of Francke. 1660-65 Meeting of Helmont and Rosenrath at court of Christian August von Pfalz- Sulbach. 1662 Birth of Koster. 1666 Birth of D.Falckner. 1668 Birth of Seelig. 1670 Schutz joins with Spener in establishing first Collegium Perfecta in Frankfurt. Helmont and Furly meet. 1672 Birth of J.Falckner 1670-79 Helmont retained by Conway as physician. They, together with Moore and Cudworthy advise Rosenrath in preparation of publication of Kabbala Denudata. 1672 Schutz writes forward for Rosenraths Harmonia Evangliorum. 1673 Birth of Kelpius. 1675 Publication of Speners Pia Disideria. Von Merleau joins Collegium in Frankfurt. Keith and Helmont meet. Circa.,- Keith and Rosenrath begin correspondence. 1676-7 Helmont joins Society of Friends. 1677 Fox, Keith and Penn tour Netherlands and Germany during which they meet Furly and von Merleau. Publication of Rosenrath.ths Kabbala Denudata. 1680 Pastorius joins Saalhof circle. 1681 Death of Pordage. 1682 Appearance of Great Comet. Publication of Boehmes Theosophische Werken, edited by Gichtel. Frankfurt Saalhof Piestists organize as German Company in order to purchase 5,ooo acres in Pennsylvania. Pastorius is appointed agent. 1683 Pastorius leaves for Pennsylvannia. Arrival of Mennonites in Germantown. Turks advance on Viennna. 1684 Publication of Helmonts Two Hundred Queries . Publication of Zimmermans Muthmassige Zeit-Bestimmunge . Arrival of Labadist Community at Bohemia Manor. Kelpius, a student at Altdorf near Nurnberg, meets Rosenrath. 1685 Revocation of Edict of Nantes. 1685-89 Zimmerman lodges with Schutz, but is soon ejected from area at Dukes instigation. Zimmerman will wander through Amsterdam, Frankfurt,Erfurth Nurnberg, Heidelberg and Hamburg. It is likely that it is during this time that Zimmerman is introduced to Kelpius by Rosenrath. 1686 German Company reorganized as Frankfort Company. 1686-89 Fox expresses disquiet with Helmonts work, setting in process a series of difficulties which will, by decades end, lead to Helmont expulsion from the Society of Friends. 1687 Birth of Becker. 1689 Death of Rosenrath. 1690 Birth of Beissel. Death of Helmont. 1691 Suppression of Franckes Colligium at Erfurth.. Francke and Breitenhaup (Kelpiuss tutor) are expelled from city. 1692 Publication of Kelpiuss Truth and Innocence Defended. 1693 Beginning of discord between Furly and Society of Friends, which will, in time, lead to Furlys disassociation from said Society. Death of Zimmerman. Appoints Kelpius his successor. Group leaves from Rotterdam for London. Aug Arrival at London. Kelpius meets with Philadelphian Society through agency of Deichmann, the Societys Secretary, with whom Kelpius corresponded for several years. 18th Boarded onto ship, Sarah Maria, which waits for convoy. 1694 March Sarah Maria off Plymouth, waiting for convoy. May Sarah Maria involved in sea-battle. June 6nd Eclipse of sun during morning. At evening Virginia is sighted. 14th Sarah Maria enters Chesapeake Bay. 19th Land at Bohemia Landing in what is now New Jersey. 22nd Enter New Castle, embark on sloop for Philadelphia 23rd Disembark in Philadelphia. Walk from Dock Street to Fairmont (or Brewery) Hill, where they build and light Midsummer Solstice bonfire. 24th Walk to Germantown, and so reach their destination on St. Johns Day. 1697 Arrival of first Swedish Lutheran ministers in Philadelphia. 1698 Arrival of the Rev. Thomas Clayton, first Anglican minister in Philadelphia. Philadelphian Society in London considers emigrating to Germantown. D. Falckner returns to Germany to recruit for Bretheren. 1698-9 R. Jansen, brother of C. Jansen, founder of the Jasenists, acquires a printing press andf moves to Germantown. Is assisted by Seeling with type-setting, proofing and binding. 1699 Koster returns to Germany Falckner ordained. 1700 Consecration of Swedish Lutheran Church at Wicacoa. 1703 J. Falckner ordained at Wicacoa. First ordination in Western Hemisphere of an orthodox Lutheran misister. 1704 Death of Jane Leade. During preparations for Midsummer Solstice bonfire, an angel is said to appear. 1705 Death of Spener. Publication of Ramsays The Travels of Cyprus. 1708 Death of Kelpius. Appoints Seelig leader. 1714 Death of Furly. 1719 Arrival of Dunkers in Germantown. 1720 Beissel leaves for America. 1724 Becker baptizes Beissel. 1725 Arrival of Nen-Geborenen(Stillen-im-Lande) in Germantown. Arrival of Beissel at Ephrata. 1727 Death of Francke. 1731 Beissel officially begins Ephrata 1734 Arrival of Schwenkfelders in Philadelphia, accompanied by a Moravian evangalist. 1737 The Monastery built by the Zionitic Brotherhood (a part of the Ephrata Community) along the banks of the Wissahickon. 1740 Arrival of first Moravians at Bethlehem. 1741 Death of Falckner. 1742 Permanent settlement of Moravians in Bethlehem. 1748 Death of Matthias 1758 Death of Becker. 1760 Death of Koster. 1761 Publication of Kelpius Method of Prayer in English. De Witt translator. 1765 death of De Witt. 1768 Death of Beissel. 1848 Publication of Lippards Paul Ardenheim: Monk of the Wissahikon. 1872 Publication of Whittiers The Pennsylvania Pilgim. 1895 Publication of Sachses The German Pietists of Provincial Pennsylvania. 1922 Oakleys Holy Experiment murals in Harrisburg. "What was the old woman made of?""Fuck-arse rock n roll" Robyn Hitchcock I Am Not Me - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #60 *******************************