From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #59 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, February 18 2002 Volume 11 : Number 059 Today's Subjects: ----------------- LOATHE WINDOWS [Mike Swedene ] Re: Robyn DVDs ["Brian Hoare" ] RE: LOATHE WINDOWS ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: Canadiana & last words on Cat Stevens ["Fric Chaud" ] oh - and my first robyn gig [bayard ] Re: my first robyn show/shirt/fegs [Michael R Godwin ] my first bayard shirt ["n'woj" ] drew's first robyn experience [drew ] Re: Robyn DVDs [JH3 ] Important OT news [steve ] Re: my first bayard shirt [Brian ] Re: Canadiana & last words on Cat Stevens [Ken Weingold ] Re: Canadiana & last words on Cat Stevens [Ken Weingold ] Re: Canadiana & last words on Cat Stevens [Jeff Dwarf Subject: LOATHE WINDOWS So after a depressing tie (but a good game) in the olympics between USA AND RUSSIA. my friend asks me to upgrade his note book TECRA 8000 to windows 98. he asked me to "reformat" his drive (not knowing what that would do-him) I did so and now the cd drive is NOT being recognized. I even made a start up disk that is NOT helping. any suggesteions? Lost in DOS... if only I was.... Herbie ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:24:06 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: Robyn DVDs >From: Chris Franz >Subject: Robyn DVDs >But if you're looking to get the region 1 version, I'd suggest you don't >bother. The only R1 version I'm aware of is pan & scan, which means you >miss a lot. The sound quality on the disc >is excellent, and of course the movie is great, but Demme's wonderful >cinematography is butchered. Wait until they do the disc right. Thanks for the info. I'll move it to the "maybe" list. I haven't actaully seen the film, although I do have the CD of the same name. I know that there are some differences in the performances/introductions. Could someone let me know how different the film soundtrack is from the CD - I may be tempted if the dvd has a stonking performance of something that is not on the cd. brian np We're only in it for the money. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 09:27:51 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: LOATHE WINDOWS The startup disk must include a driver reference for the CD-ROM drive in config.sys, AND a reference to mscdex.exe in the autoexec.bat file. There's no way around that. The Win98 CD-ROM itself is bootable, and it contains universal drivers for nearly all IDE and SCSI drives (I've never stumped it). The same is true for the startup floppy that ships with a licensed copy of Win98. If you boot from either of these and it still doesn't see the drive, something's almost certainly broken. If you can't boot from the CD, check the BIOS setup for this notebook (no idea how to get there) and see if you can change the boot order so that it checks the CD-ROM drive first. If there's no such setting, this notebook may not be able to boot from CD. If none of that works out, I can email you the contents of a boot floppy with universal CD-ROM drivers, that you can add to a boot disk formatted in Win98. Email me off-list if you need more help, as the pent up Mac-gloat in the room is bound to get oppressive. ;-) > So after a depressing tie (but a good game) in the > olympics between USA AND RUSSIA. my friend asks me to > upgrade his note book TECRA 8000 to windows 98. he > asked me to "reformat" his drive (not knowing what > that would do-him) I did so and now the cd drive is > NOT being recognized. I even made a start up disk > that is NOT helping. any suggesteions? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 09:07:19 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: Canadiana & last words on Cat Stevens On 16 Feb 2002, at 19:33, barbara soutar wrote: > A few final words from me about Cat Stevens... I knew it would be > controversial to say he'd joined a religion that forbids music, but I > wanted to hear what people had to say about it. It seems like it's an > exaggeration to say that music is forbidden in the Moslem religion... > maybe it's true that as an overenthusiastic convert Cat just cut out > the musical part of his life. Or maybe he was all out of lyrics and > just wanted to retire for a while. I do not think that you made false the first time. There are Moslem sects which prohibit the music. The music has been proscribed in Afghanistan, if I am to believe the CNN. Certain Sufis, which is Moslems of a sort, do not proscribe the music, but consider it useful only for specific goals and will listen but will not play. Cat must have joined upwards with a group like that. Don't some Baptists who believe dance is it immoral? Then it is like if Fred Astaire joined one of these sects of Baptist and people in Egypt said that Fred had abandoned dancing because it became a Christian. - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 08:41:53 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: Re: B = Bayard i remember when i first met the bastard. i hated him then, and i tolerate him now. > > As usual, I was in a weird mental place, preoccupied and Im afraid, less > > than considerate. Which means--I believe it was -my- front porch upon which > > Bayard slept. you did no wrong! doug and i were always planning on going back home after. shucks, it's just a couple hours. and he was driving! The porch thing was just something someone said as a joke. Now a much more productive thread would be, meeting Eddie for the first time. For me it was in the line to get into Bumbershoot 1997. I asked if it would be ok for Cynthia and Chris Franz and me to join them in line and he said nonchalantly, "Hey, we're fegs!" meaning, i guess, that fegs can do anything. =b ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 08:45:17 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: oh - and my first robyn gig Was at the old 9:30 club in 1991. I miss that place! I was a fan in 1988, but didn't go to the one that year, for whatever reason, and I missed the shows at the Birchmere in 1990 too. But I've seen him 13 times since. Cross-post of the day: >I went to see The Who last Friday at the Royal Albert Hall, and I nearly >got thrown out for being too drunk. I shall be sober for this. Blimey. It's coming to something when you can't be drunk at a Who gig. Did the roadies scold them for scratching their nice guitars? - -- http://glasshotel.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:41:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: my first robyn show/shirt/fegs On Sat, 16 Feb 2002, Thats *Mr Feg* to you sonny wrote: > So there you have it. Top that Mike Godwin! ;-) It can't be done, Nick! I only date back to 1986, Glastonbury, where the version of Tell Me About Your Drugs was performed with everyone playing the wrong instrument (Robyn=bass, Andy=drums, Morris=guitar: hence the yell of 'Tell me Morris' before the guitar break). My oldest shirt is "He never made love to a loaf of bread" from the same era. It doesn't fit any more because it _shrunk_ in the wash. [Funny how many of my clothes do that - the other day 2 buttons spontaneously flew off my shirt] ... Anyway, keep posting, Nick! We all want your impressions of how the 21st century Soft Boys compare to 100 years ago. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:27:49 -0500 From: "n'woj" Subject: my first bayard shirt first time i saw robyn was the october 3, 1990 at tramp's in new york. that was also the first show i ever recorded too. imagine that. still have and wear the swirling shirt purchased that evening, though the "he never made love to a loaf of bread" shirt has been passed onto meredith for use as a sleep shirt. first time i saw bayard was, i think, the october 4, 1995 show at maxwell's. he and two of his friends slept at our place afterward. i was unfairly hesitant about allowing them to stay when they turned out to be perfect guests. shows me, huh? who were those people anyways, bayard? i've forgotten.... woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:27:08 -0800 From: drew Subject: drew's first robyn experience This was it: http://www.jh3.com/robyn/base/gig.asp?chubb=801 I didn't remember the date offhand, nor do I recall hearing some of these songs ("Balloon Man" and "Listening to the Higsons," in particular), though I very clearly recall hearing some of the others. I was very pleased with the "what was the old woman made of?" intro to "I Am Not Me," whose answer, at this show, at least, was "fuck-arse rock 'n' roll!" And I also recall (think I've told this story before, too) bouncing along with "You and Oblivion," which I'd heard for the first time maybe a month beforehand at the most and whose lyrics still hadn't sunk in. When Robyn started singing about the "death train" he looked angry, maybe because the audience was bouncing with the rhythm and not really listening to the somber words. I felt really embarrassed. I stayed for part of Billy Bragg's set and found myself liking it more than I'd liked hearing his records prior to that. I had to leave early, though, to catch the last train back home. My second Robyn experience came hot on the heels of that one: http://www.jh3.com/robyn/base/gig.asp?chubb=636 The only gig Robyn's ever done in Rochester, apparently. The reviewer seemed to really love this show. I was really unhappy with it, owing to the following circumstances: 1. My girlfriend and I were both sick and exhausted. 2. My girlfriend really didn't like Robyn much at the time. Some of his songs have grown on her since then. 3. The crowd seemed raucous and annoying. Back where we were they were talking loudly and sometimes yelling. Granted, some of what they were yelling was "Filthy Bird!" but still. 4. The sound didn't seem that great. This was the old Milestones -- the new one is better. 5. I'd just heard many of these songs in DC. Et cetera. We left early, probably during "Freeze," a song I hate. I wish now that we hadn't, but oh well. I also wish I'd bought a cone. Young and foolish. Oh -- but the Dear Janes were indeed wonderful. I don't listen to their disc much now but when I put it on I'm always happy. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:09:29 -0600 From: JH3 Subject: Re: Robyn DVDs > ...I haven't actaully seen the film, although I do have > the CD of the same name. I know that there are some > differences in the performances/introductions. Could > someone let me know how different the film soundtrack > is from the CD - I may be tempted if the dvd has a > stonking performance of something that is not on the cd. Devil's Radio is the only song on the DVD that isn't on either of the two other formats. ("Stonking"... Is that a good thing?) The LP has the most material of the three, including the following tracks not on the DVD: Statue With a Walkman Eerie Green Storm Lantern Where Do You Go When You Die? The Wind Cries Mary Beautiful Queen If you only have the CD, then you're missing the first two of those and Devil's Radio... If you have the DVD and the LP, you don't need the CD at all, for completism's sake at least. John "this post 87% recycled" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:29:28 -0600 From: steve Subject: Important OT news > Ozzy Osbourne launches own TV show > > - - - - - - - - - - - - > Associated Press > > Feb. 17, 2002 > > First, there was "Survivor." Then came "Fear Factor." > > Now, reality television watchers can follow the daily activities of > rock musician Ozzy Osbourne and his family on MTV in "The Osbournes." http://www.salon.com/ent/wire/2002/02/17/ozzy/index.html __________ Also in the news, Miyazaki's SPIRITED AWAY is co-winner of the Golden Bear award as best picture at the Berlin Film Festival. > "A sensation at the Berlinale! For the first time, an animated feature > receives the main award - at least half of it. A Golden Bear for the > Japanese fantasy adventure 'Spirited Away' by Hayao Miyazaki. A movie > that > is tough to pin down, that is art, not art business, that is about > children but made for adults - and that broke every box office record > and > even sank the 'Titanic'. - - Steve __________ OS X is faster, smarter, prettier, and easier to use than any version of Windows. - Robert X. Cringely ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:43:52 -0500 From: Brian Subject: Re: my first bayard shirt At Sunday, 17 February 2002, woj wrote: >first time i saw bayard was, i think, the october 4, 1995 show at >maxwell's. he and two of his friends slept at our place afterward. i was >unfairly hesitant about allowing them to stay when they turned out to be >perfect guests. shows me, huh? who were those people anyways, bayard? i've >forgotten.... The recording of this show is probably my favorite live solo Hitchcock performance I've yet heard. Good job b-man (who I have yet to meet). Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:59:06 -0800 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Canadiana & last words on Cat Stevens On Sun, Feb 17, 2002, Fric Chaud wrote: > I do not think that you made false the first time. There are > Moslem sects which prohibit the music. The music has been > proscribed in Afghanistan, if I am to believe the CNN. Certain > Sufis, which is Moslems of a sort, do not proscribe the music, but > consider it useful only for specific goals and will listen but will not > play. Cat must have joined upwards with a group like that. Interesting. So how do you explain Richard Thompson, when he became Sufi? AFAIK, his music didn't stop in that period. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:04:01 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: my first robyn show/shirt/fegs On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Michael R Godwin wrote: > On Sat, 16 Feb 2002, Thats *Mr Feg* to you sonny wrote: > > So there you have it. Top that Mike Godwin! ;-) > > It can't be done, Nick! Errmm well... It was in a Cambridge drawring room 'round about the late '70s or so - of course I refer to the 1770s - and I remember Robyn was wearing a fetching aubergine ruffled collar atop a green velvet top with gold piping in the form of tiny eels, and also an embarrassing codpiece - but his periwig was starched perfectly. I believe it was Andy's great-great-great grandfather on the viola da gamba; Robyn (unusually) took a turn at the harpsichord; and as I recall, the highlight was Robyn's then-new composition "Eine Kleine Fischmusik." Very. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. ::I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! __"raus"__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:28:01 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Canadiana & last words on Cat Stevens On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Ken Weingold wrote: > On Sun, Feb 17, 2002, Fric Chaud wrote: > > I do not think that you made false the first time. There are > > Moslem sects which prohibit the music. The music has been > > proscribed in Afghanistan, if I am to believe the CNN. Certain > > Sufis, which is Moslems of a sort, do not proscribe the music, but > > consider it useful only for specific goals and will listen but will not > > play. Cat must have joined upwards with a group like that. > > Interesting. So how do you explain Richard Thompson, when he became > Sufi? AFAIK, his music didn't stop in that period. I don't think Monsieur Chaud is IDing the sect correctly - but the general point is that certain sects of certain religions are very strict about prohibiting anything they see as detracting from a rigorous attention to their doctrine - and music, and dancing, as inherently sensual and worldly, are often tops on the prohibited list. And so the kind of person who tends to convert in an extreme way tends toward that sort of excessive "piety" - the sensible ones moderate their beliefs over time (as, it seems, Cat Stevens has) - while the less sensible ones stockpile weapons and kill doctors because life is sacred. "perilously close to pornography"... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::does "anal retentive" have a hyphen?:: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:32:09 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: Important OT news On 17 Feb 2002, at 18:29, somebody may have paid Steve to quote this: > OS X is faster, smarter, prettier, and easier to use than any version > of Windows. - Robert X. Cringely later, that same interview (emphasis mine): "There simply is no technical problem with porting OS X to alternate hardware. Where there is a problem is in getting everyone to see what a great idea it really is. Steve Jobs of Apple has to worry that the new version would hurt Apple hardware sales, just as did the Mac clones. But I don't believe that would be the case. Let's say someone started a sports car company using engines and transmissions bought from Porsche. How many people would buy that new car, the Belchfire 400, over a Porsche with SIMILAR POWER AND PERFORMANCE? None. Porsche buyers buy Porsches for the brand as much as for the engine." Jordache! -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:50:05 -0800 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Canadiana & last words on Cat Stevens On Sun, Feb 17, 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > I don't think Monsieur Chaud is IDing the sect correctly - but the general > point is that certain sects of certain religions are very strict about > prohibiting anything they see as detracting from a rigorous attention to > their doctrine - and music, and dancing, as inherently sensual and > worldly, are often tops on the prohibited list. Ech. I really want to go to one of those Southern Baptist (?) churches where they have masses like the one in The Blues Brothers. now THAT's singing and dancing! :) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:31:44 -0800 From: Thats *Mr Feg* to you sonny Subject: Re: my first robyn show/shirt/fegs Roberta says: > ...dunno if I can lure you out again to answer a question Oh, I'm still here under the dust and cobwebs. > ...but I'm wondering what the material was that RH was playing at that > point. Covers, original material or even early versions of songs he recorded > later? If you listen to "Live at the Portland Arms" you'll get a pretty good idea of the sort of stuff he was doing back then. He'd often show up with an entourage who'd sing the harmonies and such. I don't remember any specific songs from the folk club days, but it was pretty much the same kind of thing. A lot of songs that later surfaced as Soft Boys numbers, songs poking fun at the earnest finger-in-the-ear type folk singers (a tad cheeky - it was a folk club after all!) and the cod barbershop stuff like "I like bananas...", all of which you can hear on "Portland Arms". ~N Gotta get some new faces into http://www.njaz.com/fegfotos this April... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:31:33 -0000 From: "mel" Subject: 9:30 schedule - no rh yet was at the 9:30 friday. most of april is filled in and no rh. the 10th and 11th were still open but i'm not optimistic. melissa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:32:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Canadiana & last words on Cat Stevens Ken Weingold wrote: > On Sun, Feb 17, 2002, Fric Chaud wrote: > > Certain > > Sufis, which is Moslems of a sort, do not proscribe the music, but > > consider it useful only for specific goals and will listen but will > > not play. Cat must have joined upwards with a group like that. > > Interesting. So how do you explain Richard Thompson, when he became > Sufi? AFAIK, his music didn't stop in that period. in the liner notes for The Island Years comp, it does mention that he contemplated doing so for a while though, if my memory serves me well. (there was a three year gap [75-78] between Pour Down Like Silver and Sunnyvista, which was unusual for the time.) ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:26:49 +0000 From: "Abydos *" Subject: The T-shirt skilled in all ways of contending Matt: >can anyone offer any advice as to how to go about reading it?! Im jumping into Quail territory here but this is what Id say if a patron asked. This may not be what you want to hear, but frankly I wouldn't want to have tried it without having first read "the Odessey" and " Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man." Then Id just dig in and let it rip. The first time you read something that dense is a mystic trip, baby;-). What I mean is--if course youre going to miss alot because youre just bowled over by the overload of it(think of it as loosing your virginity.) So just relax and enjoy it. Afterwords, if you like it, you can gain proficiency. Reread along with Anthong Burgess's of Robert Graves's commentaries. Contemplate etc. Certain books are a life-long venture.------------------------------------------------------------------ Quail and Ken: >?(Of course, only, what, four >or five of us are reading this thread? ;) Maybe more. Im reading happily. I love diagreement when its agreeable and informing. - ------------------------------- T-shirt wars Im going to be real obnoxious here. How about a thread of favorite old t-shirts, with extra points if they still fit. Unfortunetyly due to an early perphetic existance most of my old t shirst are mere shadows in the mamory museum... however, I do have a an old Trouser Press black T with their production sched for 78 on it. And yeah--it fits. - ------------------------------------------------------ The last time I took a vac from the list was, I think, when everyone was arguing bout printing up a special Fegmaniax t-shirt. The only thing we seemed all to agree on was that it should be dark green. Did it ever get made? What happened? - -------------------------------------- Doug Well, you left a tape on my porch, so I figured you may have crashed there. Glad to hear you were on the road. (However, If I rememeber that night correctly thou--should you have been on the road;-? - -------------------------------------- What was Robyn doing in Boston in 76? - ------------------------------------------ I love Cat Stevens, early and late. Love his delicate, stong voice, his perfect pop melodies and some of his lyrics.There's a winsome quality to his voice whic I also hear in Ben Harper. I get the feeling there's an interesting story there too. Alot of talent, fame, then a complete retreat. First as a youngin with tuberculiousis(?!?), then older with Islam. Same sorta pattern. I find that interesting. - -------------------------- Kay, who remembers that Sandra and Turdi were in Brooklyn, but not the actual address n.p YAY!(Im home and have music on this dang machine for once) Lloyd Cole, Etta James, Sly and a bit by Robyn I found on Morpheous "If you hear music." What is this? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #59 *******************************