From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #51 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, February 13 2002 Volume 11 : Number 051 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Out in Ballard looking soulful at the pines [FS Thomas ] Re: Out in Ballard looking soulful at the pines [gSs ] Re: 10 year anniversary of my first Robyn concert [Brian ] Another dose of Me [barbara soutar ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #48 [The Great Quail ] Re: Out in Ballard looking soulful at the pines [gSs ] Re: Another dose of Me ["Mike Wells" ] Re: Racial profiling ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: A Day in The List [gSs ] the 80s, Ken the youngster, and yesterday's post [Jill Brand ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:39:39 -0800 (PST) From: FS Thomas Subject: Re: Out in Ballard looking soulful at the pines > The question isn't whether or not the threat of the > use of a plane as a > weapon still exists, it's whether or not you're > looking at the problem > extensively and thoroughly enough to truly solve it, > or whether or not > you're just resorting to a misdirected paranoia > which only serves to > villify a vast population based solely on the > actions of a handful. So you're calling for complete inaction? What's going on in the airline industry today isn't misdirected in the least. It's a step towards prevention. As was said earlier--if most serial killers are male, then if you're looking for a serial killer do you more easily discount a female? Yes. In looking for someone who's going to commandeer a jet do you look at a ME male? As of right now, you bet. - -f. - --- Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:46:30 -0800 (PST) From: FS Thomas Subject: Re: Out in Ballard looking soulful at the pines - --- Jeff Dwarf wrote: > a Jamaican born Brit, Richard Reid, rumored to have > al Qaeda > connections attempted to blow up an airplane flying > to the US last > november or so, using explosives in his shoes. it > was on the news, > rather big story. Let's fuel the profiling-fire a bit: I've worked with quite a few Jamaicans. He doesn't look Jamaican. He WAS Muslim, however, and he does look quite a bit like the many men of ME decent that I met in Chester. He fits the profile. > > It's > > nothing more than haphazard, lazy bigotry, and an > example of America > > at its worst. I would love to see a glimpse of this country after a solid fifty years of (mis-) management by the author of that gem. Haphazard, by definition doesn't fit. Bigotry? If it was a multi-ethnic coalition on-board any of the planes on the 11th you would have me there. America at it's worst? Not yet. Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:50:26 -0800 (PST) From: FS Thomas Subject: Re: Racial profiling - --- "Jason R. Thornton" wrote: > Terrorist organizations will > begin recruiting more and more Caucasians to their > cause to get through the > loopholes in security. I don't see an American (or wester European, for that matter) taking up the cause of a Holy War forged by a religion they don't belong to. It's one thing to hire a mercenary to assassinate someone. Not hard to do. Hire one to blow him- or herself up? I don't know HOW much you would have to pay for that. Or who you would pay, for that matter as you can't take it with you. - -f. - --- Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:50:36 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Out in Ballard looking soulful at the pines On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > What's so illogical about re-screening passengers randomly, on the > off-chance that Middle Easterners aren't the only people willing to hijack, > or commit acts of mass violence? What is so illogical about re-screening certain people who fit the same profile as all of the people who hi-jacked four airplanes and killed a few thousand people a few months ago given the off-chance that some of them might be planning to do it again? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:05:20 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Out in Ballard looking soulful at the pines At 11:34 AM 2/13/2002 -0800, FS Thomas wrote: >Aside from the recent >Argentinian cockpit break in and the screw-loose high >school kid armed with a Cessna, can you come up with a >non-ME high-jacker? Are you going to continue to just dismiss the ones I do? Are you going to keep asking the same question, when I bring up Cuban or African hijackers? The point has already been made. You don't get to rule out non-ME hijackers, simply because they don't fit in with your stereotype. >It is, but the violent acts we're talking about >(keeping planes out of buildings) have yet to be >undertaken by anyone other than ME men. Actually, some of the violent acts mentioned in the original post had nothing to do with buildings. Airline security needs to be designed to prevent all forms of airline violence, not just an event that already happened. > > What exactly are you talking about? It's the > > "topic" only because you're > > out to justify the profiling of "Arabs" > >Whatever. I'm not out to tackle all that's wrong in >the world right now. I /thought/ this was regarding >profiling. Again, we're talking about whether or not profiling a specific group is justified. How can you not talk about this in context of other groups? I honestly don't understand what you're "whatever-ing" here. >When fundamentalist Phillippino or Indonesian Muslims >on Jihad are implicated then the scope can change from >ME to other ethnicities. If you're interested in preventing future acts of violence, rather than oppressing a specific ethnicity, why wait until this might happen? >'Why pick on Muslims? It's >such a wrong bias' you say? Because theocratic >governments under Muslim rule have called for the >destruction and 'opportunistic killings' of Americans. > The Soviet Union of the 40s-90s did, too, but never >acted on it. Action brings impetus. Again, not all members of the Islamic faith, nor even the majority of Muslims behave this way. Theocracies are not the fault of all Muslims, nor are they limited solely to Islam. >An airline screener standing in JFK isn't going to >have your FBI/CIA/NSA dossiere at his fingertips. He's not going to have >the last fifty emails you sent >out, or the numbers of everyone you've called on your >cell phone (nor should he.) What he's got is a good >look at you and, if he's lucky, your real name on a >genuine driver's license. And, honestly, there's nothing about me that makes me less a potential danger than a honest, hard-working Middle Eastern midget businessman. I might kill a bunch of people to further the goals of Osama bin Laden, but I might for some other, equally misguided reason. > When looking for threats >you have err on the side of caution. Yet, you seem to advocate an incomplete cautious behavior, that automatically focuses attention on certain groups but unsoundly ignoring other potential threats. > > What's so illogical about re-screening passengers > > randomly, on the > > off-chance that Middle Easterners aren't the only > > people willing to hijack, > > or commit acts of mass violence? > >They may not be, but they're not the ones who have >recently. "Recently." You're intentionally putting on blinders here. Just because a highway patrol man pulls over five African American speeders in a row, it doesn't mean the next one won't be white, or that the next black man that drives by at 55 is *about* to speed, because he's one of "them." > > All it takes is one disgruntled non-Arab American > > airline employee with a > > gun to crash another plane into another San Luis > > Obispo county > > hillside. > >The last I checked firearms weren't allowed on planes >unless you were an air marshal or other law >enforcement official. Not allowing them is one thing, but the only way to keep them off planes is via a thorough security check. Are you missing the point of this entire argument? Flying planes into buildings is not "allowed" either - so why bother screening for potential hijackers? >Do you fly often? Honestly? Enough. Twice since September 11. I flew over Manhattan over Thanksgiving, and saw "ground zero" from the air. I've got a good friend that's a flight attendant too. That's that give me enough "cred" in your eyes? Who cares how much I fly? >Let's end racial >profiling and just do a random 2% passenger search. >Would you be comfortable getting on, say, a 767 >wide-body with two hundred and forty passengers if >only three of them (rounding up) was fully screened? This is another false dilemma. Giving only one other inefficient security process as an alternative doesn't justify your proposed method. >Would you be entirely comfortable if, while walking >through first class on your way to your seat back in >steerage if you noticed that eighteen of the twenty >four seats in first class were ME men, say around the >age of 24? Let's say I didn't. Admitting any racist tendencies I might still hold, and would be working to get over, doesn't justify racist behavior by either you or the federal government. > > More importantly, should all Middle Easterners, of > > which there are > > millions, suffer inequalities in the justice system > > because of > > this? No. > >No, probably not. Then, again, you're dealing with >people of the same religion who, even though they >claim not to be fundamentalist, refuse to turn over >former officials now in hiding. Why? So, now a group of people all behave exactly alike because of their religion too? >Who've we rounded up and put into camps this time? I never said we had. The principle is the same - the inequity in the justice system is quite similar. >(on that scale--Guatanamo doesn't count.) Nor would I suggest it did. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:05:40 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Out in Ballard looking soulful at the pines On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, FS Thomas wrote: > Let's fuel the profiling-fire a bit: I've worked with quite a few > Jamaicans. He doesn't look Jamaican. He WAS Muslim, however, and he > does look quite a bit like the many men of ME decent that I met in > Chester. He fits the profile. Wow. So now you're claiming that *looking* middle-eastern is actually a better predictor of being a terrorist than *being* middle-eastern? That's nuts. What surprises me about this whole thread is that profiling large groups sucks. It's bad law enforcement -- it's mind-bendingly easy to get around, increases distrust among potential informants within the ethnic group being profiled, and gives security personnel a false sense of, uh, security. I want our anti-terrorism measures to WORK, not just to reassure me, thank you very much. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:08:14 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Out in Ballard looking soulful at the pines At 11:39 AM 2/13/2002 -0800, FS Thomas wrote: >As was said earlier--if most serial killers are male, >then if you're looking for a serial killer do you more >easily discount a female? Yes. In looking for >someone who's going to commandeer a jet do you look at >a ME male? As of right now, you bet. But not all terrorists are Middle Eastern, and not all serial killers are white males. You don't, by any stretch of the imagination, assume that every Middle Easterner is a potential hijacker or every white male is a serial killer might be a potential serial killer and treat them differently from the rest of society. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:10:33 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Out in Ballard looking soulful at the pines At 11:46 AM 2/13/2002 -0800, FS Thomas wrote: >I would love to see a glimpse of this country after a >solid fifty years of (mis-) management by the author >of that gem. Haphazard, by definition doesn't fit. >Bigotry? If it was a multi-ethnic coalition on-board >any of the planes on the 11th you would have me there. > America at it's worst? Not yet. Here's how my dictionary defines "haphazard": "marked by lack of plan, order, or direction." And that's exactly what I meant. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:15:45 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Out in Ballard looking soulful at the pines On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > >I was just using that as a simple example to show how profiling is used > >regularly in crime prevention. > > No, the example you gave had nothing to do with group profiling, but only > with an individual's description. Here is the example I used: 'They all say the person was a white man, so should all Chinese women now be considered suspects?' So if I would have instead said: They all say the perpetrator is a white male, and the white males in this area make up less than 2% percent of the population and have either been indicted or are wanted as suspects in over 99% of the alleged or perpetrated crimes. In addition to that, we have gotten different descriptions as far as height, weight and age but the common factor so far is white male. Should we still consider Chinese women as suspects or should we focus on the white males? > What you were doing was justifying a > racist blame game by advancing an ineffective means of prevention and > attempting to suggest that since we can profile an individual based on his > or her physical characteristics, we can then we can in turn profile groups > of individuals that share physical characteristics based on the actions of > a few that also share those characteristics. Every one of the few so far that has been succesful has fit the profile. When the few change, so will the profile. Lindh looked, sounded, acted, wanted to fit the profile. Until of course we shaved his head and beard and got a better look at his features. Changing your appearance is very simple. Reid did also fit the basic profile. While his features did not make him to be an absolute match, it was close. If he had been pictured along side other Taliban or bin laden drones, while training at one of the camps he would not have looked out of place. > The "problem" here is with the assumption being made that targeting an > entire group is somehow akin to "profiling" or describing an individual. As of today, until the profiled appearance changes dramatically that is the only way we can even remotely protect the airplanes. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:19:30 -0800 From: "Cynthia Peterson" Subject: RE: Out in Ballard looking soulful at the pines (RH 99%) As a Norwegian formerly of Ballard, I can add to this string that most of the trees in that neighborhood were cut down to build Seattle. Perhaps he meant looking soulful at the places where pines used to be: My favourite pines - are all falling down Seems like I dwell in a different town But why should I bother with painting them brown When they'll all be pulled down in the end? My favourite pines - stretch upwards for miles Remind me somehow of your favorite smiles Like oak leaves in autumn cascading on stiles In the rain... etc. - -----Original Message----- From: Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc) [mailto:v-jasobr@microsoft.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:09 AM To: Chapmaniax! Subject: RE: Out in Ballard looking soulful at the pines After looking at this subject heading all day as some who actually lives in Ballard I have to say that there are really not that many pines in Ballard. Some Douglas Firs but it's not a very well treed neighborhood unless you go to parks like the Locks or at Golden Gardens. Those Norwegian Settlers cleared out all the tress long ago. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:21:32 +0000 From: "Abydos *" Subject: Do the Ape Ken, I havent dowloaded the song yet--Im at work. I just meant, thank you for offering it. - --------------------------- Brian: >Kaaayyy!? What's a low-minded ape like me supposed to do with *this*? Draw the sad conclusion that I -too- am a low-minded ape;-? And an awkward one at that. (I was also partly quoting from the astonishing lyrics of the great unrecognized early masterwork by Lou Reed, "Do the Ostrich." ) And thanks all for getting me past my dog envy:-) Kay, the ever-awkward ape It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have learned English -- up to fifty words used in correct context -- no human being has been reported to have learned dolphinese. -Carl Sagan, astronomer and writer (1934-1996) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:14:58 -0500 From: Brian Subject: Re: 10 year anniversary of my first Robyn concert Geez! Was that 10 years ago already? What a fantastic show (and after show for me but that's another story). I remember also hearing 'Alright Yeah' and 'When I Was Dead' for the 1st time too (though their not debuts). Eddie was there? Really? Nuppy At Tuesday, 12 February 2002, you wrote: >It was 10 years ago today, 2-12-92, at the Royal Oak Theatre in Royal Oak, >MI, that >I first saw Robyn Hitchcock, opening act Mathew Sweet, on a cold winters >night. >Nuppy and Eddie were also in attendance, although I didn't know them at the >time. >How many other fegs on this list were there? The Yip Song made its debut. > >Michael Bachman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:28:36 -0800 (PST) From: FS Thomas Subject: Re: Out in Ballard looking soulful at the pines - --- Aaron Mandel wrote: > Wow. So now you're claiming that *looking* > middle-eastern is actually a > better predictor of being a terrorist than *being* > middle-eastern? That's > nuts. If you know a common thread among the people who pose your biggest security threat and you know from past experiences that armed with with seemingly nothing of threat dire consequences can result should you ignore that common identifier? Take a different type of security. If you were head of security for a bank, for instance. You've been knocked over six times in the past five years. Five of those times were by an Asian man wearing a black overcoat. Would you be wrong to instruct your security guards from paying close attention to not only any Asian men in black overcoats, but for safty's sake, all Asian men while giving the women a pass? - -f. - --- Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:30:50 -0800 From: Eclipse Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #48 having been over-exposed to "Ace of Spades" from playing Tony Hawk 3 for the PS2 until my thumbs bleed, i think the boyfriend and i are going to have to make this request in April at the GAMH show. so if you hear someone yelling "play some Motorhead!", then you've probably found me in the crowd. :) Eclipse >The GAMH show was the last show of tour and he played longer than any of >us expected. Not only did he treat us to a truncated acoustic version of >"Ace of Spades" after a heckler yelled out "play some Motorhead!," but he >and Andy and Morris also did killer versions of "Eight Miles High" and >"Kung Fu Fighting." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Eclipse eclipse@tuliphead.com If this is not what you expected, please alter your expectations. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:10:24 -0800 From: barbara soutar Subject: Another dose of Me Am I the first person to join this group who was not a Robyn fan to begin with? Funny, but then again there is such a thing as conversion. OK, I will continue the somewhat interesting saga of myself so you get an idea of what kind of person you're dealing with. After several years (1975-78) of smoking dope and being hippies we got bored. I found the punk scene in London, Ontario and started haunting the local bar which had some pretty good groups appearing. Also made friends with a guy who was a Brian Eno, Roxy Music and Velvet Underground fan and then I played nothing else but Another Green World and the VU album with White Light/White Heat on it. Loved it, since I was totally tired of country-rock 70's music. My husband became a Rajneesh person and dressed totally in orange while I was dressed in black. We were quite a Halloweenish pair. Various financial disasters struck and we were forced to move 20 times in 20 years. Needless to say, I couldn't afford to go to many concerts so I can't really participate in any of those discussions with you. The only acts I've seen live are Cat Stephens in about 1969 in Hamilton, Ontario (Mimi Farina was his opening act!) and Bob Dylan in about 1989 in London, Ontario. Oh, and during the brief period where we lived in Ottawa in the early 80's I saw The Parachute Club, Marianne Faithful and Odetta. Nowadays I tend to like Canadians like The Tragically Hip, Leonard Cohen (not so fun anymore but still fantastic), Nelly Furtado (a young one but a good one). Oh, and I recently had a big passion for Tim Buckley (deceased but great). So being introduced to Robyn Hitchcock is a great thing for me. He combines the sixties with the better part of the early 80's and it sounds good to me. At least this is my take on it. Oh, and I usually don't have very strong political opinions because I meditate a lot but this recent British Columbia FASCIST/"Liberal" government is really getting me mad! Any others in Canada might know what I'm talking about here. bye for now Barbara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:06:35 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #48 Eclipse writes, >having been over-exposed to "Ace of Spades" from playing Tony Hawk 3 >for the PS2 until my thumbs bleed, i think the boyfriend and i are >going to have to make this request in April at the GAMH show. Cool! I was so psyched to hear this song on TH3! In fact, I made a "driving mix" for Grand Theft Auto III, and felt compelled to put it on that, too. I also put on "Killed by Death," one of the greatest song titles ever. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:27:12 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Out in Ballard looking soulful at the pines On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, matt sewell wrote: > Hmm... I'd say I was pretty much against the killing of innocents > regardless of by whom. I don't see what you're saying - do you mean that > it was Ok for them to be killed (directly or indirectly) by the "allied" > military as they would sooner or later have been murdered or have starved > to death anyway? I didn't say either one of those things in my note but that is what you decided to hear. > I hate George Bush, his policies and his illegal government of cronies, > let's get that straight. However, just because I hate these, it does not > follow that: > 1. I hate America > 2. I support anti-american terrorism > 3. I have more sympathy for (say) Afghans than for (say) Americans who > have been killed > 4. I think the Taliban, Soviets, Pashtuns or Al-Queda have any moral high > ground over anyone I thought only conservatives could hate? > Furthermore, your assertion that "refugee camps in and around Afghanistan > were over flowing by millions and millions and millions and millions and > millions and millions", is, quite simply, not true. What was the dire prediction made or broadcast by a member of this group back in November or December I believe? Something like: 7.5 million Afghans in the refugee camps and remote villages could starve or freeze this winter because the US campaign might stop food and blankets from reaching those who desperately need it. Or something similar? I don't remember hearing a rebuttle from you at this. If I included one or so more millions than was allowed I apologize, but in fact I may have included a few less than required. These camps in and around Afghanistan are probably the worst ever next to the Nazi concentration camps. Millions and Millions and Millions of people have passed through, been born or died in these camps during the last 20 years. When you try to vilify the US actions in Afghanistan over the last few months you must factor in the things part of the rest of the world and especially her neighbors have done to Afghanistan over the last 20 years. Just the number of Afghans killed by the ex Union of Soviet Socialists Republic is almost unreal. Put the blame where it belongs, but don't leave anyone out. This clean-up is going to be messy, but what is the alternative? Allowing the Taliban to rule that place is like allowing Texas to be ruled as a nation entirely by the KKK or the New Black Panthers. These people are the shit that comes out of shit. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:30:07 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: A Day in The List Motorhead. Masturbation. Racial Profiling. Discuss. Michael "good thing Robyn's got an album coming out" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:34:33 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Another dose of Me > He combines the sixties with the better part of the early > 80's and it sounds good to me. At least this is my take on it. Wait 'til you see his audience! Michael "ain't got no skinny ties" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:34:07 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Racial profiling At 11:50 AM 2/13/2002 -0800, FS Thomas wrote: >--- "Jason R. Thornton" wrote: > > Terrorist organizations will > > begin recruiting more and more Caucasians to their > > cause to get through the > > loopholes in security. > >I don't see an American (or wester European, for that >matter) taking up the cause of a Holy War forged by a >religion they don't belong to. Holy Wars are not the only cause of airline violence. As far as American's go, are you including Americans of Middle Eastern decent in whatever it is you're not seeing? So are you at least saying that Arab-Americans that are US citizens shouldn't be targeted, since you don't see "Americans" taking up the cause of a Holy War? Or are you equating American-hood with skin color? >It's one thing to hire >a mercenary to assassinate someone. Not hard to do. >Hire one to blow him- or herself up? I don't know HOW >much you would have to pay for that. Or who you would >pay, for that matter as you can't take it with you. Who's talking about mercenaries? Are you not aware of the number of Caucasian Muslims in the world? - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:41:30 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: A Day in The List On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Mike Wells wrote: > Motorhead. Masturbation. Racial Profiling. Is there a way to beat off to 'beer drinkers and hell raisers' while screening passengers? I had a band in high school and we would would always close with that song. Great song to close with. Is that a zz top song that motorhead did or the other way round? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:45:00 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: the 80s, Ken the youngster, and yesterday's post Since some of you are citing your 10th Robynversary, I'm curious to know who saw him way back when in the 80s. I'm not sure what year I first saw him, but it was right around when Fegmania came out (after that, but how long after I don't know). When would that have been (I saw him in Boston)? Ken Weingold, you may be 33, but when I last saw you at a Kinks gathering at the Sit n Bull pub back in 1997 or so, you looked like you were about 14. I couldn't figure out what Julie Reid was doing hanging out with jailbait! I tried to answer some posts yesterday, but I lost my e-mail connection when I was 90% finished writing. Uggh. Anyway, Kay, my love, I ADORE Preservation, but don't think it is something to start with. In 1998, the Boston Rock Opera did a full staging of Preservation Acts I and II (a few songs were omitted) with Ray Davies's blessing. He even came to a dress rehearsal. It was a great, great, great staging (they did six shows; I went to four). The last two nights were sold out, thanks to great press. If any of you lives around here, the BRO does a great job with everything (including the Small Faces' Happiness Stan and the Pretty Things' SF Sorrow) so come to a show sometime. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:53:31 -0800 From: glen uber Subject: Re(2): A Day in The List gSs wrote: >Is there a way to beat off to 'beer drinkers and hell raisers' while >screening passengers? > >I had a band in high school and we would would always close with that >song. Great song to close with. > >Is that a zz top song that motorhead did or the other way round? I remember it by ZZ Top; never heard the Motvrhead version. Unfortunately, allmusic.com isn't cooperating today so I can't provide a definitive answer. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Sometimes when I reflect back on all the beer I drink I feel ashamed. Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the brewery and all of their hopes and dreams. If I didn't drink this beer, they might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered. Then I say to myself, 'It is better that I drink this beer and let their dreams come true than be selfish and worry about my liver.'"--Jack Handey +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ glen uber blint at mac dot com Just one piece of advice you might be able to use: SEVENTEEN ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #51 *******************************