From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #47 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, February 12 2002 Volume 11 : Number 047 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: er: plastic legs that reach up to his...plastic bum [Eric Loehr ] Just another Manics Monday [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Middle East [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Introducing myself [barbara soutar ] Re: FUCKING MOONY GOING IN FOR THE KILL!! ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Introducing myself [dmw ] Re(2): Introducing myself [glen uber ] Tales From The Underwater, Update. ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Middle East ["noe shalev" ] Help Dweezil pay the mortgage... [Tom Clark ] Re: gnatmaniax! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: er: plastic legs that reach up to his...plastic bum [Jeffrey with 2 F] Re: The End of the Tail [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Help Dweezil pay the mortgage... ["noe shalev" ] Re: The End of the Tail [Miles Goosens ] Re: The End of the Tail ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: The End of the Tail ["matt sewell" ] Re: The End of the Tail ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Middle East [steve ] Re: Mid East [The Great Quail ] Re: er: plastic legs that reach up to his...plastic bum [gSs Subject: Re: er: plastic legs that reach up to his...plastic bum At 12:51 PM 2/11/02 -0500, gSs wrote: >VGPS is good but I would recommend the Kinks Kronickles even though the >original vinyl issue I have, 1972 I believe, has a slightly different >track listing. At least the listing I can find on amazon which has audio >samples for every song listed for KK but none for VGPS. Is the listing >labeled "listen to samples" for disc 1 and 2 the actual song list for the >a new compilation? If this is the entire song list then the new Kronickles >is lacking a bit compared to the original. Though it still has shangri-la, >autumn almanac, sunny afternoon, wonderboy, apeman, mr. pleasant, days, >susannah's still alive, deadend street and death of a clown (one of my all >time favorites) it is missing lincoln county, plastic man, dfof, well >respected man and a few other essential kinks songs. Greg, I think your memory is playing tricks; the original vinyl Kinks Kronikles doesn't have lincoln county, plastic man, dfof, or well respected man; as far as U.S. compilations, dfof and well repected man were on the Kinks Greatest Hits. Plastic Man was on the Great Lost Kinks Album, and I don't think Lincoln County has appeared on a U.S. release. (my memory was fuzzy on this too, but the vinyl sitting on my lap doesn't lie) Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:14:51 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: i wish i could fight like alan watts Kinks -- Three times I've lobbied hard for a band I was in to be named Situation Vacant, but it never took. If anybody wants to trade for the New Great Lost Kinks Album, it's time for me to start getting to know my CD burner. - --- Quail-- I have found Avi Shlaim's recent work, "The Iron Wall," to be an excellent history of the conflict. Written by a Jewish "revisionist" historian, it is based on hundreds of interviews with the principal players. While it certainly does not leave the Palestiniabn leadership untarnished, it goes a long way in showing the nasty origin of Zionist policies, the frequent mendacity of Isreali politics, and the often thorny relationship between the US and Israel. Overall the book is readable and fair -- he is not a raving anti-Zionist or anything like that. If you want more from the Palestinian side, I have found Edward Said to be a very good source, sharply critical of all the players, including Arafat and the US. Another great source is Joe Sacco's amazing comic, "Palestine." It's near "Maus" level. Thanks for that. I know Said, but look forward to Shlaim & Sacco. In 1974 (& many years after) I was living w/ a Jewish woman whose family I got close to. Her parents were thoughtful Zionists (her father had been among the troops that liberated, I think, Belsen) and her sister was a radical who married a Lebanese Moslem. At the time I thought I should read up on the history of the issue, but was too busy getting it hearsay from opposite sides of the dinner table. Then I did the typical American thing of saying "it's all a big mess" & turning away. - --- Barbara Soutar-- Greetings! I, too am on digest mode. - --- Idiot Wind -- I just rented & sorta watched "Hearts of Fire." (1987, somebody Marquand dir., script by Joe Esterhas). So weird watching Dylan do all those things, like a bad comic book, DYLANMAN! or some such. Dylanman standing on his front porch with his zipper down. Dylanman punching out a friend. Dylanman diving into a "punk audience" (lots of people w/ pink mohawks) to fight an audience member. Dylanman trashing a hotel room. Dylanman watching from behind a tree as his love goes off w/ someone else. Dylanman using the word "pussy." I watched about 60% in play, 40% in fast forward. I think the most realistic moment was when Ron Wood threw a lit ciggaret into his own mouth from arms length away & started puffing it. I still like the scene in Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid where Dylan is reading the labels of all the cans in his grocery store real loud. Ross Taylor "I'm so thoughtful I'm Radiohead" Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:11:38 -0800 From: anansi Subject: panicked meat screechers > From: "Redtailed Hawk" > So what do youthink of "Loaded"? For me "Loaded" is uneven. I really didn't know much about it, so it's really interesting to find out about Lou not singing. I had wondered how he suddenly found himself able to carry a tune. I like his funny little voice but I can't say I mind Doug Yule's -- it's the songwriting I'm there for really. I was poisoned by hearing the Cowboy Junkies' "Sweet Jane" before this one; this one's better, of course, but as I delve further into Lou Reed's catalog I'm hoping to find a version somewhere in the middle of the two. Loaded is not as enjoyable for me as the banana album and the eponymous one, but it seems pretty solid to me. > What I really > love is the live albumn right before the VU ended. It has a female fat > ass > on the cover(really, very R Crumbish) Mmmmm, female fat ass. I have to say I'm with Queen, Sir Mix-a-lot, and -- if you insist -- R. Crumb on that issue. I don't have that live album yet but maybe I'll check it out; I know I should appreciate terrible sound but I tend not to. Regarding the Manic Street Preachers: Margaret loves them but the best I can do is tolerate them. Leftist sentiments are nice but if the music isn't that great, why not do something productive with them? Well, obviously to many the music _is_ that great but to me it's pretty ho-hum. Kind of anthemic rock in the vein of U2 but duller, from what I've heard (and I already think U2 are -- Quail, skip down to the next post! -- pretty dull). > From: Aaron Mandel > > a very, very catchy > 80s hair-metal band That's a bit redundant, isn't it? :) What else do I need to catch up on? Oh yes. Well, you already know I'm mystified by Travis's appeal (Jill, you too, skip on down) -- duller than U2 and the Manics twice over. I could understand it if the tunes were catchy but nope. So far I haven't been able to get into the Kinks but so many bands I do like love them so dearly that it must just be a matter of acquiring the taste (or appreciating rather than liking, as I am forced to do with the Who). And I turned out to be Radiohead, though I tended to pick my answers a bit arbitrarily. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:38:53 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Just another Manics Monday http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/uk/wales/newsid_1798000/1798793.stm James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:39:23 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Middle East >guess in all that pain, I just needed to let some steam out. >for those who still reading at this point. thanx, and my appologies for >wasting your time. shalom Noe. The Israel/Palestine situation consistently appalls me. Every few years there seems to be a minor breakthrough, a shake of hands. Then a new hawk comes to power and it's all on again. Sharon does not want peace - this is obvious and has always been so. Take for example his demand that Arafat hands over recent terrorists, which simultaneously bombing Palestinian police stations - the very people who would carry out that task. And to assume - or even expect - that any actions of the current US administration will help is naive in the extreme. The irony is that if the US eased off, I honestly believe that the UK could help clear up some of the mess they helped create back in the 40s. In the current political climate, though, that simply won't happen. Is it my imagination, or in recent times has peace always seemed closer in the Middle east whent he US president has been a Democrat? (By "recent", I'm not including 1967) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:40:21 -0800 From: barbara soutar Subject: Introducing myself Hello all, I made an attempt to join in the conversation a few days ago. Now I'm introducing myself. My name is Barbara Soutar, I found out about this group from Michael Godwin whose home website I stumbled across while doing research. We share similar taste in books and music. I had never heard of Robyn Hitchcock but have now given him a listen... bought Moss Elixor and enjoy it quite a bit. I live in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada. Best place in Canada. I've also lived in various spots in northern and southern Ontario (extreme weather conditions) and Quebec. Born in 1953, so I have not only heard of the Kinks but their music is buried deep in my brain. I've been married since 1975, we were hippies at the time and have very cute wedding pictures with both of us competing for who had the longest hair. We have a 13 year old daughter. Maybe this is enough for now. nice to be here, Barbara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:40:28 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: FUCKING MOONY GOING IN FOR THE KILL!! >From: Jill Brand > >Deep breath. In out. OK, Gene, this is what you need They're now on the List Of Records To Acquire Lickety-Split. I appreciate your fervent dedication to all things Davies. >I'm feeling somewhat fragile at the moment. Please no one write in about >how the Kinks were crap. Here's a big Kinks Hug (with a Harry Rag) for your help. I appreciate it. Now, I am a Vinyl Geek. F'rinstance, I just spent fifteen minutes cleaning and vacuuming a copy of Neil Young's "Harvest" LP I just picked up ( an early Reprise pressing, too, I think. Yum.). Anybody know what the story is with Kinks vinyl? Christopher Warren mentioned the latest CD issues with stereo/mono mixes. Are the mono LPs hard to come by? Are the stereo mixes true stereo mixed or did they just double mono? I could just go buy all the CDs online in one fell swoop, but I cannot resist the urge to spend lots of time scouring the planet for rare Kinks LPs. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:09:49 -0400 From: "John Bastin" Subject: Re: Where the Heck is Eb? Where the heck and hell is Eb? This list wants without him... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:18:51 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: Introducing myself On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, barbara soutar wrote: > Hello all, > > I made an attempt to join in the conversation a few days ago. Now I'm > introducing myself. My name is Barbara Soutar, I found out about this > group from Michael Godwin whose home website I stumbled across while > doing research. We share similar taste in books and music. I had never > heard of Robyn Hitchcock but have now given him a listen... bought Moss > Elixor and enjoy it quite a bit. lemme get this straight...you joined this list first, then checked out RHitch's music? that is SO cool! - -- d., ...who was kinda interested in hearing Eb weigh in on kinks records, akshully. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:29:02 -0800 From: glen uber Subject: Re(2): Introducing myself dmw wrote: >lemme get this straight...you joined this list first, then checked out >RHitch's music? that is SO cool! You know what that means, don't you? The list has now become bigger than its subject. I predict that someday there will be mailing lists devoted to fegmaniax and its denizens. - -- Cheers! - -g- "I'm not a big gambler, but I'm down with any activity that allows you to drink 24 hours a day." - --Mike Jasper +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ glen uber blint at mac dot com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:54:12 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Tales From The Underwater, Update. For those of you who expressed interest, I am nearing completion of my Underwater Moonlight compilation. It features nearly all the raps (2 Brit shows are absent) from the various Underwater Moonlight performances of the last Soft Boys tour. The songs fade in as the rap is about to begin and fades out just after the rap has completed. I have added nearly all the spoken bits from the tour in order to keep it from becoming a repetitive snooze fest. It is going to be 1 disc and I need a volunteer to post the artwork (when all is finalized). I hope to have it available for trade/tree in two or three weeks. Max _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:50:52 -0800 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: The End of the Tail I see you have probably gotten all the info you wanted, but I will add a little something. Though they are largely considered to suck, they were supposed to be good before Richey Edwards disappeared. I know they did one awesome song, New Art Riot. I uploaded the mp3 to my web site. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 06:09:43 +0200 From: "noe shalev" Subject: Re: Middle East > The irony is that if the US eased off, I honestly believe that the UK could > help clear up some of the mess they helped create back in the 40s. In the > current political climate, though, that simply won't happen. Although the arab resistence to theZionizm is absolutly understandable and looks like a natural reaction. I, too, believe that british government here at the first half of the last centuray contributed to the hate and dispute. I think that was the british way to rule over Natives wherever they were - Dividing them from each other and preserve the tention between the two camps > Is it my imagination, or in recent times has peace always seemed closer in > the Middle east whent he US president has been a Democrat? (By "recent", > I'm not including 1967) this is very true. although you must remember that Bush sr. had a major role in forcing than primeminister Shamir into the Madrid convention. I do believe that Clinton, who is most appriciated here in Israel liked us too much. he gave Barak the opurtiunity not to negotiate the right of return and the status of Jerusalem with Arafat. yet I don't doubt for a second his commitment to achieve peace here. as for the current administration. well it's important for us to get that fully Us support, yet I don't beilive that in the long ran it brings to any resulotion.. I also don't believe that Bush is driven by a sincere seek for peace. he's finding the common ground with Sharon to fight what they both call Terrorism, and I think they both don't respect their enemies enough, and therefore wouldn't succede in those wars. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:41:01 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Help Dweezil pay the mortgage... One Million Dollars! http://www.zappa.com/dweezil/hendrix_gtr.html - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:08:21 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: gnatmaniax! On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Natalie Jane wrote: > The opening act was John Vanderslice, whom I was already suspicious about > because he had named one of his albums after a Neutral Milk Hotel lyric > ("Mass Occult Figurines"); I am always dubious about indie acts who > name-check other indie acts. I thought he was dull, but my bandmate Alex > put his foot down more firmly on the side of "actively bad." One song > featured a chorus of "Keep the dream alive." I writhed. *sigh* Nobody else likes John Vanderslice, it seems, but me... Trivial: but if we're going to ban all acts that namecheck other, relatively obscure acts (i.e., don't cop their names from the Beatles or something), well, who exactly will be left? I don't feel like launching into a large-scale defense of Vanderslice - although I'll point out that (a) I ignore lyrics more than I pay attention to them (not singing...the words), and (b) in context of the album, the phrase "keep the dream alive" is less, well, sappy than it might seem outside it. If anyone has a rat's ass they might consider parting with, I've written reviews of the last two Vanderslice albums (linked from the URL in .sig). - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the popularity of the gruesome FACES OF DEATH video series is ::apparently so great that a children's version is in production, ::to be called FACES OF OWIES. np: mix CD for a friend; last two tracks "Two Librans" The Fall, "The Bridge I Burned" Elvis Costello ps: Bill Swan used to play guitar w/my brother in a band here in Milwaukee - - my bro went on to play bass in hardcore punk band Pachinko (Alternative Tentacles). Probably not to many folks' tastes here... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:11:10 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: er: plastic legs that reach up to his...plastic bum On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Eric Loehr wrote: > Greg, I think your memory is playing tricks; the original vinyl Kinks > Kronikles doesn't have lincoln county, plastic man, dfof, or well > respected man; as far as U.S. compilations, dfof and well repected man were > on the Kinks Greatest Hits. Plastic Man was on the Great Lost Kinks Album, > and I don't think Lincoln County has appeared on a U.S. release. I can confirm that Kinks Kronikles didn't contain the tracks you mention. I think "Lincoln County" was released on the CD reissue of _Something Else_...although since my exposure to that title was naughtily dubbing it en route to giving it as an xmas gift to my sister-in-law (incid., married to the same bass-playing bro as in last post), I'm not positive that CD wasn't a Brit import. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"am I being self-referential?":: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:06:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: The End of the Tail Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > Michael R Godwin is rumored to have mumbled..." > > Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > >> I'm Radiohead and I don't even like them that much! I'd much > >> rather be Blur. What should I do?? retake the test giving different answers. i've been both! > > Feed the pigeons (and the sparrows too?). It should give you an > > enormous sense of well-being. :) > > Thanks, I'll try that ;-) > > But doesn't that also entail that I'll get rudely awakened by the > gasman?? are you sure it's not the dustmen? and at least it's only on wednesdays. ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:13:48 +0200 From: "noe shalev" Subject: Re: Help Dweezil pay the mortgage... > > > One Million Dollars! > > > > http://www.zappa.com/dweezil/hendrix_gtr.html > wouldn't you pay that sum, just to be able to burn it on stage? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:35:09 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: The End of the Tail At 02:59 PM 2/11/2002 +0000, Redtailed Hawk wrote: >So what do youthink of "Loaded"? For me "Loaded" is uneven. What I really >love is the live albumn right before the VU ended. It has a female fat ass >on the cover(really, very R Crumbish) but I forget what its called. Anyway, >its my favorite late VU. Terrible sound which just makes it more >wonderful/aweful. There is this version of "What Goes On" that goes on for >10 minutes that just slays me. Total speed freak oceanic exctasy. And an >altra-version of "Sweet Jane" and a great "Lisa Says" and more. 1969 LIVE, my favorite album ever. This version of "What Goes On" bored me silly the first time I heard it, the second go-round I started to get interesting in how the rhythm guitar weaves around the organ figure, and by the third I was completely hypnotized. Now I can't imagine anything more musically blissful. Hey, and "Ocean" has 10 minutes of "oceanic exctasy" too! :-) It's the 1969 LIVE version of "Sweet Jane" that the Cowboy Junkies covered. I've come to like LOADED far more than I used to, mostly thanks to the alternate takes available in the FULLY LOADED edition, but I still prefer the 1969 LIVE versions of what ended up on LOADED. >Kay, who even has a weakness for some of "Preservation" This was the last "proper" Kinks project that came into my possession, as the original eluded me from my "discover/overdose on the Kinks" year of 1982 until the Rhino reissues of the RCA albums. (You could always find SCHOOLBOYS IN DISGRACE or SOAP OPERA in the cutout bins, but never either act of PRESERVATION.) Anyway, I was expecting the worst, as even those who remained faithful in the '70s seemed to hate this album. Instead, it easily exceeded my expectations -- most of its songs are catchy, Ray's music hall sensibility made his "concept" outings far more entertaining and far less pompous and tedious than other "concept" records of the period, and it stays truer to the heart of what makes the Kinks great than did, say, SOAP OPERA. If you think SCHOOLBOYS IN DISGRACE is pretty decent (and I do -- "The Hard Way," "No More Looking Back," and "A Face in the Crowd" are some of Ray's best songs of the decade), then this is probably worth your while. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:52:20 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: The End of the Tail Mike Godwin said: > > Also highly recommended is 'VU' but not particularly recommended is "Bootlegs #1: The Quine Tapes". There are flashes of genius, but it's mostly quite dull -- long jazzy noodling. Bleah. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:46:05 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: The End of the Tail Also recommended is Another View (another VU - geddit?!) - esp. the versions of Hey Mr Rain with some fantastic viola work from Mr Cale and the totally rocking instrumental of Guess I'm Falling In Love... The box set is also fantastic on the whole, the only extra stuff that isn't much good are some of the guitar-only demos... there's an incredible low-fi version of Here She Comes Now on there, though... Matt >From: "Stewart C. Russell" >Reply-To: "Stewart C. Russell" >To: Michael R Godwin >CC: Redtailed Hawk , fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: The End of the Tail >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:52:20 +0000 > >Mike Godwin said: > > > > Also highly recommended is 'VU' > >but not particularly recommended is "Bootlegs #1: The Quine Tapes". >There are flashes of genius, but it's mostly quite dull -- long jazzy >noodling. Bleah. > > Stewart - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:48:40 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: The End of the Tail matt sewell wrote: > > Also recommended is Another View (another VU - geddit?!) It was for many years my only velvets album -- and it's still my favourite. GIFIL rocks indeed. > The box set is also fantastic on the whole I only remember "Do The Ostrich" and "Cycle Annie" from Lou's early years. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:52:47 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Middle East On Monday, February 11, 2002, at 10:09 PM, noe shalev wrote: > I also don't believe that Bush is driven by a sincere seek for peace. It may be important to remember that lots of fundies believe that only 144,000 Jews are going to survive the End Times. They also think that the big party won't start until after the temple is rebuilt, thus the support for the genetic reconstruction of a Red Heifer. - - Steve __________ Misadvised by a frustrated and panic-stricken attorney general, a president of the United States has just assumed what amounts to dictatorial power to jail or execute aliens. - William Safire ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:35:39 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Mid East Noe writes, >I'm writing this message quite painfuly. tomorrow I'm going to a funeral of >a close friend who was stabbed last week in Jerusalem Oh my God! I am so sorry, Noe. I read that a few days ago and was simply horrified. I am amazed that you can suffer a loss such as that and still remain committed to a peace movement. It is a terrible irony on top of a terrible tragedy that this woman was more than just an innocent, she was a peace activist. I can only imagine how embittering that must be. The very fact that you can still allow hope, understanding and compassion to survive in your breast during this time is beyond the ability of my words to express. >I don't know how much you heared about it, but a movement of combat >officers, took a step of refusal service in the territories. I have followed it intently, and I applaud their courage, especially in the face of the harsh words Sharon is dealing out against them. James writes, >Is it my imagination, or in recent times has peace always seemed closer in >the Middle east whent he US president has been a Democrat? (By "recent", >I'm not including 1967) It's not quite that easy. Much has to do with the participants themselves -- for instance, Clinton (and Albright) was quite pro-Israel, and was not all that involved in the Middle East until the events in Oslo (which happened behind his back) brought him to the table as the US President. Bush Senior actually took a harder stance on the Isreali Right than did Reagan or his own son, even threatening to cut off funds unless Shamir acted more like a "peacemaker." In general, both the Republicans and the Democrats are staunchly pro-Isreal, which is not necessarily a bad thing -- I only wish they would be more attuned to the situation, and more interested in understanding both sides. Take care, - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:00:15 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: er: plastic legs that reach up to his...plastic bum oops, the album is called 'the file series' from PYE records and it was pressed in 1977 by Phonodisc from Canada. On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Eric Loehr wrote: > At 12:51 PM 2/11/02 -0500, gSs wrote: > > >VGPS is good but I would recommend the Kinks Kronickles even though the > >original vinyl issue I have, 1972 I believe, has a slightly different > >track listing. At least the listing I can find on amazon which has audio > >samples for every song listed for KK but none for VGPS. Is the listing > >labeled "listen to samples" for disc 1 and 2 the actual song list for the > >a new compilation? If this is the entire song list then the new Kronickles > >is lacking a bit compared to the original. Though it still has shangri-la, > >autumn almanac, sunny afternoon, wonderboy, apeman, mr. pleasant, days, > >susannah's still alive, deadend street and death of a clown (one of my all > >time favorites) it is missing lincoln county, plastic man, dfof, well > >respected man and a few other essential kinks songs. > > Greg, I think your memory is playing tricks; the original vinyl Kinks > Kronikles doesn't have lincoln county, plastic man, dfof, or well > respected man; as far as U.S. compilations, dfof and well repected man were > on the Kinks Greatest Hits. Plastic Man was on the Great Lost Kinks Album, > and I don't think Lincoln County has appeared on a U.S. release. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #47 *******************************