From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #46 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, February 11 2002 Volume 11 : Number 046 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: RH MP3s ["matt sewell" ] Re: I think I like the Kinks [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] The End of the Tail ["Redtailed Hawk" ] Re: Mid East [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Mid East [FS Thomas ] Muswell Hillbillies and beyond [Jill Brand ] Re: Mid East [The Great Quail ] Re: Mid East [Christopher Gross ] Re: Muswell Hillbillies and beyond ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: The End of the Tail [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Syd [Michael R Godwin ] Re: The End of the Tail [Aaron Mandel ] Re: The End of the Tail [Michael R Godwin ] Re: The End of the Tail [Michael R Godwin ] er: plastic legs that reach up to his...plastic bum [gSs ] Re: The End of the Tail [Sebastian Hagedorn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:29:19 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: RH MP3s I think you may well be best off writing to Theo (hosts that site, the yahoo RH club and underwatermoonlight.com... he's a nice bloke and will sort something out for you I'm sure... Matt >From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >Reply-To: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >To: pianner lids and rooves >Subject: RH MP3s >Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:34:48 -0600 (CST) > >On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, matt sewell wrote: > > > Matty Groves has been covered by Robyn -it's actually available right on > > this here interyweb: > > > > http://members.fortunecity.com/theodius1/element/rhsounds.html > >Errr...I tried to download this, and I get an error message stating that >fortunecity.com does not allow the storage of this type of file (which, >curiously, lists MPEG and AVI files rather than MP3s...). > >Is this available elsewhere? > >--Jeff > >Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist >University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee >Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature >http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:34:05 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: I think I like the Kinks Face to Face and (The Kinks are) the Village Green Preservation Society are (IIRC) the albums on either side of Something else, and they are, in the words of that Britband quiz "the best in the fookin' world". The two after TKATVGPS are pretty damn good too. The first two albums the Kinks did are too derivative, despite a few biiig hits, and from the mid 70s on they really tailed off badly. But get the two named above and be prepared to be moved. James (= Stereophonics???) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:59:40 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: The End of the Tail Brit Band Quiz: So who the hell are the Manic Street Preachers anyway? - -------------------- Kinks: Follow the Jill. - ------------------------------------- Drew: >I just thought I'd play with it and throw it back. :) Ahh, so thats how the toad guts got on my shirt;-). Frankly Ive been in a bit of a winter crummy mood. And trying to pretend Im not. Which of course, just increases the crum factor. Time to slither off into hibernation and knaw on my own tail for a while. BTW--who -will- open for Robyn in April? Anyone heard any rumors? Bayard? Woz? So what do youthink of "Loaded"? For me "Loaded" is uneven. What I really love is the live albumn right before the VU ended. It has a female fat ass on the cover(really, very R Crumbish) but I forget what its called. Anyway, its my favorite late VU. Terrible sound which just makes it more wonderful/aweful. There is this version of "What Goes On" that goes on for 10 minutes that just slays me. Total speed freak oceanic exctasy. And an altra-version of "Sweet Jane" and a great "Lisa Says" and more. - ------------------------ Jill: >God, I feel so cool. It's funny that you mentioned the Kinks and >then >Neil Young directly after (were they in that order in the >article?) Argh, you caught me. They actually only had "You Really Got Me" but I figured I would be untrue to the greater spirt of R&R if I didn't put the Kinks in without qualification:-) >I can never remember if Filmore had one "l" or two ? but I think 2. All I rememeber is always thinking I was going to tumble down the steep pitch of the amphatheater. Oh, and Grace Slick pulling her dress up over her head. Repeatidly. (like , alright, we've seen it already. Enough.) Ohh, and my kid -has- to meet your kids. - --------------------------- Ross. Before I go back to chewing on my tail, see the first paragraph I wrote to Drew. Goes for you too. And you do know apes are sacred to Thoth, right:-) - ------------------------------------- Kay, who even has a weakness for some of "Preservation" It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have learned English -- up to fifty words used in correct context -- no human being has been reported to have learned dolphinese. -Carl Sagan, astronomer and writer (1934-1996) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:26:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Mid East On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, The Great Quail wrote: > PS: Just for clarification, I fully support the right for a secure, > internationally recognized, US-allied Israel -- behind 1967 > boundaries in the Gaza Strip and West Bank. And that is exactly what the Israeli government is unwilling to concede. 40% of Gaza is occupied illegally by settlers who constitute less than 1% of the population: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/world/2001/israel_and_palestinians/key_maps/2.stm I saw recently that they were advertising for tourists in the Gaza settlements. Any takers? > Jerusalem and the Golan Heights I am more conflicted on, for various > reasons. Syria is no Egypt or Jordan.... I can see the security issue about gun emplacements on the Heights (though hasn't heavy artillery been supplanted by missiles?). But there is no reason why Arab East Jerusalem should be part of Israel any more than Bethlehem, or Nablus, or Hebron. Arafat had only two sticking points in the last negotiations with Barak, and Jerusalem was one of them (the other was restitution for the Arab families expelled in 1948). Both Arafat and Barak refused to negotiate on these issues. We really need the US government to get back into head-banging mode here! - MRG PS I don't understand why Sharon is so keen to depose Arafat. Fatah have signed up to the peace process and the recognition of Israel, Hamas want to wreck the peace process. When Arafat goes, Fatah goes, and Hamas take over. How can that be good news for anybody? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:33:00 -0800 (PST) From: FS Thomas Subject: Re: Mid East - --- Michael R Godwin wrote: > PS I don't understand why Sharon is so keen to > depose Arafat. Fatah have > signed up to the peace process and the recognition > of Israel, Hamas want > to wreck the peace process. When Arafat goes, Fatah > goes, and Hamas take > over. How can that be good news for anybody? Good news for you if you're looking to quit beating around the bush and go for all-out war, unfortunately. - -f. - --- Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:38:32 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: Muswell Hillbillies and beyond I, too, love Muswell Hillbillies, and maybe it does round out the five albums I mentioned before, but Face to Face through Lola vs. Powerman and the Money-go-round seem to be of the same fiber somehow. I wouldn't start a Kinks collection with MH, but I would start with any of the others that I mentioned in the last post. OK, so no one trashed the Kinks, but Stewart thinks Travis is shite. Stewart, you used to think they weren't that bad. Ah well. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:58:17 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Mid East Michael writes, >And that is exactly what the Israeli government is unwilling to concede. Of course, and this is the real source of the current conflict -- the brutal equation of land for peace. >PS I don't understand why Sharon is so keen to depose Arafat. Fatah have >signed up to the peace process and the recognition of Israel, Hamas want >to wreck the peace process. When Arafat goes, Fatah goes, and Hamas take >over. How can that be good news for anybody? Because not only does it remove the only Palestinian leader/figurehead with any serious international recognition or local control, it gives Sharon a nearly unlimited license to use as much force as he'd like in the name of "security." Sharon and the current Israeli government have been actively pursuing a policy of instigating the Hamas, all the while heaping discredit onto Arafat and Fateh for not being able to control the results. (It is also interesting to recall that Isreal used to support Hamas, which were seen as a force that would weaken Arafat.) Sharon and the leaders before him such as Netanyahu, Shamir, Begin, Meir, and Ben-Gurion have long followed a policy of instigating events so Isreal may carry out actions that far out-proportion the original event. At its worse, this policy produced the disastrous invasion of Lebanon. Also, the Hamas acting up in their usually charming way also tars the Palestinians with increasingly more violent colors, which in today's anti-terrorist climate, brings the US even further onto the side of Sharon. Sharon is not interested in peace on Arab terms -- which means withdrawing from the settlements; he is still following the old "create facts on the ground" policy, hoping that by sacrificing some Isreali civilians in the short run, in the long run Isreal will maintain her majority hold on the occupied territories. I am sure that his biggest fear (besides a united and sensible Arab League) is a Palestinian polity that both behaves itself and produces an articulate international spokesperson. I am not saying that Sharon gloats over the dead from every Hamas suicide attack -- but to believe that he doesn't see this as serving his agenda is naive. After all, he's in power because of violence and fear. Yeah, if the US would only go in and bash some heads together on both sides, that would be nice. But it's not going to happen, given this Administration and the current political/social climate. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:01:32 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Mid East On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > Jerusalem and the Golan Heights I am more conflicted on, for various > > reasons. Syria is no Egypt or Jordan.... > > I can see the security issue about gun emplacements on the Heights (though > hasn't heavy artillery been supplanted by missiles?). No, heavy artillery is alive and well. Especially for a country like Syria, the kinds of missile they have are probably less accurate, and definitely much less cost-effective, than good old fashioned cannon. > PS I don't understand why Sharon is so keen to depose Arafat. Fatah have > signed up to the peace process and the recognition of Israel, Hamas want > to wreck the peace process. When Arafat goes, Fatah goes, and Hamas take > over. How can that be good news for anybody? My theory is that Sharon thinks that Arafat is just Hamas in sheep's clothing. He (Sharon) doesn't seem to be the type to make fine distinctions or see his enemies in more than one shade of black. Besides, he can't imagine that Arafat is flexible/opportunistic enough to really abandon his old commitment to war against Israel; Sharon hasn't changed a bit, so he can't believe anyone else has. And this is my *optimistic* theory of Sharon; the pessimistic theory: > Good news for you if you're looking to quit beating > around the bush and go for all-out war, unfortunately. ... may well be correct. Your mention of recognizing Israel reminds me of something. As part of the Oslo agreement, Arafat officially recognized Israel. However, the Palestinians were also supposed to amend their Charter to remove the section that explicityl denies Israel's right to exist. I remember reading a few years ago (before the current fighting) that they hadn't yet done so; they had only gone as far as passing a resolution calling for "reconsideration" of the destroy-Israel section of their Charter. Does anyone know if that's still true? - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:05:06 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Muswell Hillbillies and beyond Jill Brand wrote: > > OK, so no one trashed the Kinks, but Stewart thinks Travis is shite. > Stewart, you used to think they weren't that bad. Ah well. No, I always thought they were shite. Just I used typical scottish understatement in saying they weren't that great. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:08:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: The End of the Tail On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Redtailed Hawk wrote: > Brit Band Quiz: > So who the hell are the Manic Street Preachers anyway? You really haven't heard of them? According to: http://www.rainej.fsnet.co.uk/manic_page.html they were voted: "BEST BAND IN THE WORLD TODAY" - Q AWARDS, 1998. "BEST ALBUM" & "BEST GROUP" - THE BRIT AWARDS, 1996. Famous for a) Being Welsh b) Guitarist having disappered without trace in 1995 c) Gigging in Cuba Not my sort of thing, but terribly famous in the UK. Sort of Clash / Billy Bragg-style left-wing rock. > So what do youthink of "Loaded"? For me "Loaded" is uneven. What I really > love is the live albumn right before the VU ended. It has a female fat ass > on the cover(really, very R Crumbish) but I forget what its called. Anyway, > its my favorite late VU. Terrible sound which just makes it more > wonderful/aweful. There is this version of "What Goes On" that goes on for > 10 minutes that just slays me. Total speed freak oceanic exctasy. And an > altra-version of "Sweet Jane" and a great "Lisa Says" and more. It's called '1969' - it's a live album with the Reed - Tucker - Morrison - Yule lineup, mainly recorded in Texas IIRC. Doug Yule plays the organ on that long 'What goes on', so he isn't just a pretty face. 'Loaded' is a studio record, so it doesn't really compare with '1969'. The problems with 'Loaded' relate to the fact that Lou Reed left the group during recording, after 'artistic differrences' - notably, he wanted 'New Age' to go on for about twice as long - I assume he was after a 'Hey Jude'-style long long fade. The result is that Doug Yule sings several of the numbers, which is not nice at all, preciouss: 'Sweet Nothings' in particular suffers. But the sheer hit of "Rock'n'Roll" and "Sweet Jane" is sensational [golly, how I _hate_ that rotten solo version of Sweet Jane with Steve Hunter on guitar] and even with the edits 'New Age' is darn good. 'Train coming round the bend' was a recent Soft Boys selection, so it must be quite good, and I used to have a band which played 'Cool it down', so that has to be memorable as well. The problems didn't go away after Lou left: the band put the record out as 'compositions by the Velvet Underground' and Lou sued them. Eventually they conceded that Lou had written all the songs. Another nice thing about '1969' is the changes in lyrics and arrangements: 'Sweet Jane' has the nifty "Heavenly wine and roses" interlude which got lost soon after; and 'New Age' has different verses. Also highly recommended is 'VU', which has some super songs and brain-crunching performances, notably the feedback on 'I can't stand it any more more' which really twists the old sub-cortex into _putty_. - Mike "splutter butter, evryone's gotta go see their mudder" Godwin PS You guessed, didn't you? Same as Hamish, I'm _Travis_... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:31:02 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: The End of the Tail - -- Michael R Godwin is rumored to have mumbled on Montag, 11. Februar 2002 16:08 Uhr +0000 regarding Re: The End of the Tail: > PS You guessed, didn't you? Same as Hamish, I'm _Travis_... I'm Radiohead and I don't even like them that much! I'd much rather be Blur. What should I do?? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Winter is coming. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:20:48 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: gnatmaniax! Just to get this out of the way - I took the Britpop test and apparently I am the Manic Street Preachers. This concerns me. (I think it's because I clicked on the "fuck Tony Blair" option.) Oh yeah, and "Village Green Preservation Society" is my favorite Kinks album though "Arthur" is also a fine and underrated work. But now I must get down to rubber tacks and discuss the Beulah show on Friday night, which was the finest show I have seen in many a moon (certainly on a par with the Soft Boys). It took place at Berbati's Pan, known for its extremely rude and noisy audiences. (I am still baffled as to why people pay a $10 cover, just to babble away happily through an entire show.) It was also very smoky there - Oregon has not yet banned smoking in clubs - and of course I emerged from the show reeking like a three-day-old ashtray. The opening act was John Vanderslice, whom I was already suspicious about because he had named one of his albums after a Neutral Milk Hotel lyric ("Mass Occult Figurines"); I am always dubious about indie acts who name-check other indie acts. I thought he was dull, but my bandmate Alex put his foot down more firmly on the side of "actively bad." One song featured a chorus of "Keep the dream alive." I writhed. One of his bandmates was a guy from a local band, Kind of Like Spitting, who over-emoted painfully. Fortunately the set was short. One opening act with a short set = a nice, satisfying long set from the main act. Hooray! Beulah took the stage presently - and a bunch of more ordinary-looking guys you could not hope to see. I found this strangely refreshing. The Moog keyboard guy was wearing a cowboy hat, and the bassist was one of the ugliest people I've ever seen - he literally looked like a frog. Miles Kurosky, the charismatic yet funny-looking lead singer, now has *two* red Epiphones, whereas the last time I saw him, he only had one. Bill Swan, guitarist/trumpeter guy, had a Gibson of some sort and a Fender Tele, so I guess he makes more money than Miles. And then the rockin' began. Boy howdy, did they rock. They played their fucking hearts out. And to my surprise, the audience was *totally* into it, singing along and dancing and jumping around and generally having a good time. (The audience reaction is very important to my enjoyment of a show. When audience members are just sitting on the floor, as they did at the previous Beulah show I'd seen, it's a real bring-down for me.) The band played songs from all three of their albums - I like it when bands do this, instead of just concentrating on their new stuff - including my theme song, the epic "Emma Blowgun's Last Stand." They also did a kick-ass cover of "Psycho Killer." Miles has a great mellow stage presence, whether deprecating his singing ability ("People say we sound like the Beach Boys, but the thing is, I can't sing"), mildly admonishing the crowd for getting too rowdy ("Now, everyone has their own ways of expressing their affection, but you know, if I chip a tooth, my mom has to pay for it"), or admiring the beard of an audience member ("Most guys don't look good with beards, including me"). For a couple of songs, the band passed out percussion instruments to audience members and pulled them onstage. Some of them nervously hid in the background, others danced wildly and grandstanded to their heart's content. One girl jokingly went down on her knees before Miles in a suggestive sort of way, which marks the first time I have ever seen anyone even *hint* at performing simulated fellatio on an E6 band member. I couldn't see Miles's reaction, as his back was to me. They played a satisfyingly long encore and at last quit the stage, leaving me sweaty (never wear a sweater to a rock show, folks) but very happy. Miles was my most enthusiastic Thoth recipient, so I had made him an Anubis for him this time. I couldn't see him around, so I asked the drummer if I could go backstage. The drummer said Miles would be out soon. I showed off the Anubis, which unfortunately got the drummer babbling away about religion and his Catholic upbringing. He wasn't too bright. He managed to corner my poor friend Ross for quite some time. Miles turned up, wearing the keyboardist's cowboy hat, and I gave him the Anubis. "Oh, that's so sweet, thank you so much," said he, and said he still has his Thoth in the righthand drawer of his dresser. We talked about the show and the last time I'd seen Beulah in Ann Arbor. Re. audience members sitting on the floor, he said that Hilarie from the Apples in Stereo once got very upset about that and yelled at the audience for it. I got a nice sweaty hug from him and then he and I both had to leave. I'm glad, by the way, that after all my Thoth-giving adventures, I no longer turn into a jelly-kneed, stammering mess whenever I talk to someone I admire. I think this has all been very good for my confidence levels. Anyway, I couldn't stop smiling about this show all weekend. Any other band I see this year will be hard-pressed to put on a better performance. n. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:27:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Syd Taking the first verse of 'Gigolo Aunt' which goes something along the lines of: Grooving on down in a trench coat with the satin on trail Seems to be all around in tin and lead palely pale (?) Jiving on down to the beach to see the blue and the grey Seems to be all on, it's rosy, it's a beautiful day I have always been puzzled by the expression 'tin and lead'. But I was watching a prog about Jan Vermeer last week, and when they were discussing the painting "Girl with a Pearl Earring" the expert said "See how the colour of the dress has been worked in tin and lead"(!). Now, Syd went to art college and did plenty of painting. Is "tin and lead" a recognised colour / texture / technique in painting? Is there an artist out there who knows the answer? - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:38:32 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: The End of the Tail On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Michael R Godwin wrote: > Not my sort of thing, but terribly famous in the UK. Sort of Clash / > Billy Bragg-style left-wing rock. Really? I've only got one album by them (Generation Terrorists) but it sounds nothing like either of the above -- more like a very, very catchy 80s hair-metal band who stole just enough from Nirvana not to be unfashionable any more. I like it every once in a while, but haven't tracked down the others. I can't see how going from there to B. Bragg would have produced listenable results, but now I'm curious... a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:54:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: The End of the Tail > On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > Not my sort of thing, but terribly famous in the UK. Sort of Clash / > > Billy Bragg-style left-wing rock. On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Aaron Mandel wrote: > Really? I've only got one album by them (Generation Terrorists) but it > sounds nothing like either of the above -- more like a very, very catchy > 80s hair-metal band who stole just enough from Nirvana not to be > unfashionable any more. I like it every once in a while, but haven't > tracked down the others. I can't see how going from there to B. Bragg > would have produced listenable results, but now I'm curious... I suppose I was referring more to the left-of-Labour political stance than the actual noise. In musical terms they remind me of the Alarm, who were also one of those stocky Welsh outfits. But I don't know much about the Manics, apart from the fact that the bass player pogos quite acceptably. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:09:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: The End of the Tail On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > I'm Radiohead and I don't even like them that much! I'd much rather be > Blur. What should I do?? Feed the pigeons (and the sparrows too?). It should give you an enormous sense of well-being. :) - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:51:29 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: er: plastic legs that reach up to his...plastic bum On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Natalie Jane wrote: > Oh yeah, and "Village Green Preservation Society" is my favorite Kinks album > though "Arthur" is also a fine and underrated work. VGPS is good but I would recommend the Kinks Kronickles even though the original vinyl issue I have, 1972 I believe, has a slightly different track listing. At least the listing I can find on amazon which has audio samples for every song listed for KK but none for VGPS. Is the listing labeled "listen to samples" for disc 1 and 2 the actual song list for the a new compilation? If this is the entire song list then the new Kronickles is lacking a bit compared to the original. Though it still has shangri-la, autumn almanac, sunny afternoon, wonderboy, apeman, mr. pleasant, days, susannah's still alive, deadend street and death of a clown (one of my all time favorites) it is missing lincoln county, plastic man, dfof, well respected man and a few other essential kinks songs. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:32:58 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: The End of the Tail >So who the hell are the Manic Street Preachers anyway? all i can add to what's already been said is that their latest album, _know your enemy_, is a hodgepodge of different pop-styles mixed with alt-country, blues, gospel, doo-wop, and disco. i really like it when albums play around with lots of different sounds. i've got _generation terrorists_, _the holy bible_, _this is my truth tell me yours_, and the newest one and i love them all. their lefty perspective warms my cockles. >So what do youthink of "Loaded"? i was shocked...shocked when i found out that lou isn't even singing on most of the album. it is a great achievement nonetheless and the fully loaded version is even better. >It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have >learned English -- up to fifty words used in correct context -- no human >being has been reported to have learned dolphinese. -Carl Sagan, astronomer >and writer (1934-1996) we were talking about this on saturday. anyone see that flick 'day of the dolphins' with george c scott? the radio show i engineer on saturdays, like humans do, is very dolphin-friendly: http://www.webspawner.com/users/likehumansdo/index.html oh yeah, and what about this? http://www.theonion.com/onion3630/dolphins_evolve_thumbs.html ken "just call me pulp" the kenster np the bluff sarah dougher ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:51:35 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: The End of the Tail - -- Michael R Godwin is rumored to have mumbled on Montag, 11. Februar 2002 18:09 Uhr +0000 regarding Re: The End of the Tail: > On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: >> I'm Radiohead and I don't even like them that much! I'd much rather be >> Blur. What should I do?? > > Feed the pigeons (and the sparrows too?). It should give you an enormous > sense of well-being. :) Thanks, I'll try that ;-) But doesn't that also entail that I'll get rudely awakened by the gasman?? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Winter is coming. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:50:59 +0200 From: "noe shalev" Subject: Re: Mid East I'm writing this message quite painfuly. tomorrow I'm going to a funeral of a close friend who was stabbed last week in Jerusalem http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/09/international/middleeast/09MIDE.html she, much as my self, belonged to the peace suporters. and if not for the sake of argument than for her I must reply. dear quail, you couldn't be more precise. Sharon is having the same vision as he had 20 years ago about Lebanon.. as minister of defence he invaded it, got late Jumaiel to be president and signed a peace contract with him. he forgets that this peace treaty didn't hold for one day, and probably wasn't worth the paper it was written on. he thinks he could replace arafat with a weaker leader that would agree to his idea of a peace settelment. somthing that no sane palestinian will agree to. he' and his government like most Israeli don't respect our opponents. don't realy believe that a real true peace is possible. but most of all, Sharon don't think muchh about us. nor do Arafat about his people. they think political survival. this bring Sharon on our side to take all this stupid useless measures against palestinians. somthing to throw to the blood thersty revange seeking mob, and to keep is right side from being overtaken by Netanyahu. simple as that. I don't know how much you heared about it, but a movement of combat officers, took a step of refusal service in the territories. http://www.seruv.org.il/defaultEng.asp this is somthing rather unusal here in Israel. the army is almost sacred, given that we were fighting for our lives in an hostile sorounding for quite a long time. I as much as my late murdered friend feel captives of the sharon government. being used as gun meat together with the occupied palestinian people, in a vicious ruthless political game. at this point I read back and don't know exactly what the point here and what did I want to say. guess in all that pain, I just needed to let some steam out. for those who still reading at this point. thanx, and my appologies for wasting your time. all the best NOE > Also, the Hamas acting up in their usually charming way also tars the > Palestinians with increasingly more violent colors, which in today's > anti-terrorist climate, brings the US even further onto the side of > Sharon. Sharon is not interested in peace on Arab terms -- which > means withdrawing from the settlements; he is still following the old > "create facts on the ground" policy, hoping that by sacrificing some > Isreali civilians in the short run, in the long run Isreal will > maintain her majority hold on the occupied territories. I am sure > that his biggest fear (besides a united and sensible Arab League) is > a Palestinian polity that both behaves itself and produces an > articulate international spokesperson. I am not saying that Sharon > gloats over the dead from every Hamas suicide attack -- but to > believe that he doesn't see this as serving his agenda is naive. > After all, he's in power because of violence and fear. > > Yeah, if the US would only go in and bash some heads together on both > sides, that would be nice. But it's not going to happen, given this > Administration and the current political/social climate. > > --Quail ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #46 *******************************