From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #40 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, February 5 2002 Volume 11 : Number 040 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Hair/Fat Factor or Angst factor? ["Redtailed Hawk" ] RE: what? ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: Close to the Peart ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Friend that's a Lobster! ["Seth Frisby" ] Do it now! [Tom Clark ] Do it now! [Tom Clark ] Re: Do it now! [Tom Clark ] Re: Friend that's a Lobster! [glen uber ] Re: Do it now! [Capuchin ] Re: Friend that's a Lobster! ["Maximilian Lang" ] Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. [Jill Brand ] Re: Do it now! [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Friend that's a Lobster! ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Let Me Roll It [Brian ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:10:18 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Hair/Fat Factor or Angst factor? Cool Pool wrote: >RH <> (not to mention his expressed belief that rock 'n' roll is for the >kids, while aging songsters such as himself are more minstrel or >troubadour)) On a whole I agree with this. However, I really did enjoy rocking out to the Soft Boys. Which makes for a delemma. On one hand --I want the SBs to rock, on the other hand, I agree that most middle-aged rockers need to change gears. Why do I think Robyn & Co can do it while others can not? Could I be showing ... bias? Impossible! Therefore, how do I reconcile this to proper Aristotelain logic? Probobly I can't--but should that stop me trying;-? Heh. I propose the hair to fat ratio as being the deciding factor for old fart rock. How much hair to how much fat? Look at the Soft Boys. Lots of hair. Look at them again. Well, maybe alittle middle-age thickening(I mean, they are mortal), but on a whole, for their age group, pretty damn good. So abundence of hair vastly outways abundence of fat. This puts them firmly in the range of positive integers for the h/f ratio. Other bands, which I will not mention;-) do -not- show up in this postive range. Alas, fat is more abundent than hair and their negative integers consign them to non-rock status. Toups and hair-extensions do -not- count. This is all utterly fellacious of course. I really go by the agnst or funk factor. Are the musicians still somewhat unreconciled to the indignities and absurdities of life and death. Are they still ever astonished? Angonised? Exuberent? Pissed? In short, do they still have something to say that comes out of their guts, not their need to up their Swiss Bank account? If so--let them rock. Because, well, theres still a middle-age audience out here with angst and funk that needs something to help us cope. Something sharp and deep and still abit wild. Something we can dance to. That matters. I want to see corprate, old-fart, big-stadium rock stone dead. But Id probobly even love to see whats left of the Stones ... in a small club that is, without costume changes or gimmicks, doing material they love, preferably not stuff Ive heard a zillion times. Ive seen Dylan live like that, with a full band(or is that just the h/f/ ratio again? hmmm)and it was great. If a band's -only- in it for the money or the ego they don't have anything I need. But I still need to rock, and that means at least a few middle-age rockers have to remain viable. Its the law of supply and demand. So I can't help hoping for a band in April. Thou probobly vainly. Kay Tis still a dream, or else such stuff as madmen Tongue and brain not; either both, or nothing, Or senseless speaking, or a speaking such As sense can not untie, Be what it is The action of my life is like it, which I'll keep, if but for sympathy Shakespeare, Cymbeline, V:4:145 _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:44:10 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Hair/Fat Factor or Angst factor? > This is all utterly fellacious of course. Yeah, I *thought* I was enjoying this message a little more than usual. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 16:53:42 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: RE: Hair/Fat Factor or Angst factor? - --On Monday, February 04, 2002 09:44:10 -0600 Brian Huddell wrote: >> This is all utterly fellacious of course. > > Yeah, I *thought* I was enjoying this message a little more than usual. ROTFL. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Winter is coming. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 11:03:23 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: vonnegut, guitar kissing & the contemporary fix Natalie & Drew-- A bit of background on Vonnegut's anti-science: [from http://www.duke.edu/~crh4/vonnegut/vonnegutia/chronology.html] 1940 Enrolls at Cornell University as a biochemistry major. 1943 March. Enlists in United States Army. Sent to Carnegie Institute and University of Tennessee for training in mechanical engineering. 1945 December. Enrolls in University of Chicago's M.A. program 1946 M.A. thesis ''On the Fluctuations between Good and Evil in Simple Tales'' is unanimously rejected by the anthropology faculty. When he came to read at the University of Va. he was introduced not by anyone in the English Dept., but by an Astronomy prof. who was an old friend. Later, he & my father became friendly tho I don't think either of them read a complete book by the other. He could be very funny in person, and his books were my introduction to black humor, but now I tend to think his charactors are kind of thin. I suspect, like many 60s bohemians, he was just barely there with womens lib. I do have fond memories of "Mother Night." - --- Kay on Ralph-- having only lurked thru the election storms, I cautiously (foolishly?) admit I voted for him, w/ the modifier that I am domiciled in Virginia & had to chop my way thru a forest of Bush-Cheney signs to get to the metro every morning. My daughter still has a flier of his. Hope the crow you eat isn't anyone I know. ;) - --- I of course, would love to hear RH & full band rockin thru Baby Let Me Follow You Down. I hope he wears that houndstooth(?) suit from Gotta Let This Hen Out which looks so much like the one Dylan wore in '66 -- when I saw the cover for the boot of the RH/Dylan album I assumed someone had cut out RH's head & pasted it over a period picture of Dylan. Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:26:03 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: what? okay, what horrible tragedy has befallen neil peart? i musta zoned out for that part. - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:42:12 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: what? dmw: >okay, what horrible tragedy has befallen neil peart? >i musta zoned out for that part. Didn't his wife die from cancer a couple of years back? or am I thinking of someone else? ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. 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To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:49:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Close to the Peart > From: The Great Quail > Subject: Close to the Peart > > I know, I have been interested in this myself. I think Peart can be a > powerful lyricist when he bends his mind to it. Such an awful time > he's had of late, it has to have an impact on his music. I must say -- as morbid and in potentially poor taste as it sounds -- that I would love to have been able to hear the first time Peart got behind his kit after his tragedies. I've heard some truly heartfelt drumming in my time (Ed Blackwell's work with Don Cherry, f'rinstance), but that must have been one *helluva fucking* drum solo. I do feel for Neil, though. No one deserves so much tragedy in such a short time. > Yeah, I think "Power Windows" was there first critically weak album. I don't think I've listened to that one more than twice. But as Mike Wells pointed out to me offlist, I shouldn't have ignored "Grace Under Pressure." I think that album has not survived the test of time, but I listened to it constantly after it was released, so it does have a certain nostalgic charm for me. To me, their best albums are side 2 of Caress of Steel, side 1 of Hemispheres, Moving Pictures, Signals, and Permanent Waves, in that order. Never been a fan of 2112, the first album, and there are moments of A Farewell to Kings which still make me cringe. Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:43:13 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: what? > dmw: > > >okay, what horrible tragedy has befallen neil peart? > >i musta zoned out for that part. > > Didn't his wife die from cancer a couple of years back? or am I thinking of > someone else? Wife to cancer, daughter to a car crash. I have also put some thought into what kind of effect this would have on his output. Somewhat selflishly I am looking for a very dark, introspective work along the lines of "Grace Under Pressure." As someone who has long ruminated over, practiced to, and imitated their work, I feel GUP ranks in the top of their catalog. A terrific marriage of words and music, substance and style - the music is paired perfectly to the lyric, the form of the message matching the message itself. Plus it effing rocks, dood. Michael "we're not making a banner for this tour too, are we?" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:02:46 -0500 From: "Seth Frisby" Subject: Friend that's a Lobster! ......That my friends is a Caribbean Lobster. I just spent some time on the virgin Islands (ok it was a cruise so culture was at a minimum, while the alcohol was consumed and offered at maximum efficiency). Caribbean Lobsters have no claws to speak of and are especially sweet, almost too sweet. Almost. It is a main staple of many people, on St. Martin we saw a big stone well full of them. http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/Images/caymanprawncoin.jpg So its been a while since I last posted so hello again to ye all! Am I the only one in creation who's very excited to see Gorky's Zygotic mynci in Boston on March 11? Actually a band I've been interested in, the Fruit Bats, is opening for them. Anybody know them? Oh yeah and Evan Dando and the Bears are coming to Burlington Vt soon...yipee!(Note: Evan Dando is not playing WITH the Bears) Seth Frisby _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:38:06 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Do it now! http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/patriot/index.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:38:37 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Do it now! http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/patriot/index.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:52:29 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Do it now! on 2/4/02 2:38 PM, Tom Clark at tclark@mac.com wrote: > http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/patriot/index.asp Sorry, I didn't think the listserv would accept a post from my work address, so I sent it again. Do you still like me? ;) - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:53:17 -0800 From: glen uber Subject: Re: Friend that's a Lobster! Seth Frisby earnestly scribbled: >So its been a while since I last posted so hello >again to ye all! Am I the only one in creation who's very excited to see >Gorky's Zygotic mynci in Boston on March 11? Actually a band I've been >interested in, the Fruit Bats, is opening for them. Anybody know them? Oh >yeah and Evan Dando and the Bears are coming to Burlington Vt >soon...yipee!(Note: Evan Dando is not playing WITH the Bears) Kick ass! Will Adrian Belew be part of the Bears' line-up? - -- Cheers! - -g- - ------------------ Glen Uber -+- uberg (at) sonic dot net ------------------ "You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer." - --Frank Zappa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:29:20 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Do it now! On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Tom Clark wrote: > http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/patriot/index.asp Viv got me a great Office of Homeland Security T-shirt (when she first saw it, she thought OHS was a joke... then she learned there really IS an OHS, she made me wear the shirt all the time). It hs the OHS logo on the front (some crappy round emblem with an eagle and all that) and on the back it says "Because true patriots turn each other in" or something. Anyway, I like it. Problem is that the front is a little too convincing and someone might take me for supporting that 1984 nightmare of a federal agency. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 19:57:07 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Friend that's a Lobster! >Kick ass! Will Adrian Belew be part of the Bears' line-up? > >-- > >Cheers! >-g- Yes, I heard him with The Bears on Live @ The World Cafe a week or two ago. He is touring with them. Max _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:07:50 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. Natalie wrote (this is Drew's quote of Natalie - I missed the original): I just finished reading "Cat's Cradle" by Kurt Vonnegut - the first > Vonnegut > novel I've read. I didn't like it. No sir. Hmm. It was my first Vonnegut novel (I remember reading it while in line for Neil Young tickets at Carnegie Hall in the fall of 1970 while cutting school - frightening what one remembers from high school). I thought it was the best thing that I had ever read. However, all I can remember is Ice 9. Vonnegut's brother is a noted meteorologist (my husband is a less noted meteorologist) and that is where he got the idea for the subject. Anyway, it was one of my faves, but my all-time favorite was Mother Night, which deals with facism quite brilliantly, I think. Taste in books is a funny thing. I don't like Tolkien at all - his work just doesn't appeal to me. Vonnegut might quite simply not do it for you. Oh, yes, uh, HOW ABOUT THOSE FUCKING PATRIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had a great time last night. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:21:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Do it now! Tom Clark wrote: > on 2/4/02 2:38 PM, Tom Clark at tclark@mac.com wrote: > > > http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/patriot/index.asp > > Sorry, I didn't think the listserv would accept a post from my work > address, > so I sent it again. > > Do you still like me? ;) are you still erect from the hitchcock doing dylan thing from last week? ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" - Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" . Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 08:09:54 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Friend that's a Lobster! Seth Frisby wrote: > > ......That my friends is a Caribbean Lobster. dang. Looks like a big prawn to me. I mean, they don't say what scale it's draw to. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:07:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Mr Fegg I note a letter in today's Grauniad from "Terry Jones, London". His e-mail address is given as feggfeat@macline.co.uk. Did anyone ever get a copy of Bert Fegg's Nasty Book? Was there an explanation of the name? - - Mike Godwin PS Grump of the week was a news item stating that police were seeking a man living under an "assumed alias". What other kind of alias is there? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:56:46 -0500 From: Brian Subject: Let Me Roll It I finally got the Paul McCartney Tribute disc, and I have to say it was a worthy purchase (much better than the Marine Girls disc which came on the same day). The Soft Boys' Let Me Roll It is a pleasure to listen to. I must say, I've never heard the original. Is this version true to it? Does the original have that half off beat intro where the bass comes in a half beat before the drums? Am I making any sense? Anyway it's really nice to hear the Soft Boys in the studio with Pat Collier for the 1st time after all these years! Do we really have to wait till September to hear the new studio album? Shucks! The rest of this disc is great too. I won't go into a song by song reveiw, but there is little I didn't enjoy. Also got the Glass Flesh II disc. This is wonderful! Better than the 1st in everyway. The whole packaging is rather pleasant to look at/leaf thru. Great song selection and remakes. I love the remake of Chinese Boys! Somewhere Apart is my current favorite with the 'robots' singing "Oh shed your bags. Here comes the mule." This is a very fun disc. Thanks to all who put lots of energy into it's creation. Nuppy ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #40 *******************************