From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #35 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, January 30 2002 Volume 11 : Number 035 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Sarsen Trail ["Brian Hoare" ] polly on the shore [] Scottish cairns and castles [Eleanore Adams ] Re: Garage setlist 25/01/02 ["matt sewell" ] Pippi Longstocking and the Hooded Fang ["Natalie Jane" ] os x lives! [anansi ] RE: *those pants* ["Melissa Higuchi" ] Re: *those pants* ["Mike Wells" ] [none] [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] RE: Garage setlist 25/01/02 ["Rob" ] B&P CD Offer [Mike Swedene ] Re: Polly on the Shore / Re: Steeleye Span [Michael R Godwin Subject: Sarsen Trail Seeing as the historic sites of the west country hold some interest to other list members I thought I would plug the Wiltshire Wildlife Trust's annual sponsored walk. The walk is marathon length and goes from Avebury to Stonehenge across the Salisbury plain via a nice iron age hill fort. You get to see both stone circles in a day (about 8 hours apart if walking). We've done the walk a number of times before and it is very enjoyable, if exhausting, if you get into a "pilgramage" frame of mind. The truly insane can enter the running race - 26 miles cross country dodging walkers, leaping stiles and climbing some evil hills. We may take the sprogs and just do the first half this time. If anyone has any interest in this more info is as http://www.wiltshire-web.co.uk/wildlife/sarsen/ brian np Acid Mothers Temple : New Geocentric World. A damn fine slab of space rock. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:16:24 +0100 From: Subject: polly on the shore "polly on the shore" is a trad. arr. number probably heard to best effect on the very-fairports-esque album "on the shore" by the band trees. a small classic of seventies folk rock. pretty easy to come by on cd and worth every penny.... chris _______________________________________________________________________ Never pay another Internet phone bill! Freeserve AnyTime, for all the Internet access you want, day and night, only #12.99 per month. Sign-up at http://www.freeserve.com/time/anytime ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:18:58 -0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Scottish cairns and castles http://63.193.240.13/Pics/2001-6-7-Scotland/ If you guys are interested.... scroll down and on the left column is the inside of a Scottish cairn taken with the infrared feature of the camera. The foggy ruined castle at Wick was the best (I have some better pics, but not on line yet) Yep, we did drink a lot in Tain..... eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:21:18 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Garage setlist 25/01/02 When was that? I've never seen Robyn play anything other than his accoustic and the blue tele... it was quite strange hearing the songs played with Robyn on a strat and Christian (the other guitarist) on a les paul, followed by Robyn's tele when he broke a string - certainly gave the sound an unusual edge. Cheers Matt >From: "Simone Jarzabek" > > One last point - all the electric guitar by Robyn at this gig came from a >black Strat > >I *love* that black Strat, it's the first guitar I ever saw Robyn play live >! > >Cheers Simone - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:18:38 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: Pippi Longstocking and the Hooded Fang >Subject: reap > >Astrid Lindgren, author of the Pippi Longstocking books. Oh man! I'm bummed. Actually, I had no idea she was still alive. Pippi Longstocking was my first positive female role model (as she was for many girls, I think). My favorite book was "Pippi in the South Seas" where she and her friends lived in a cave on a tropical island. I often fantasized about doing that. Is Tove Janssen still alive? Re. Robyn's guitar mic, I remember that during the Rock Armada show in Fashionable Ferndale, the mic kept falling off and Captain Keegan had to help him with it. It seems like an awkward way to amplify, but hey, I'm no musician. (Not much of one, anyway.) gnat "amplified to rock" the gnatster _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:48:37 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Pippi Longstocking and the Hooded Fang - --On Tuesday, January 29, 2002 08:18:38 -0800 Natalie Jane wrote: >> Astrid Lindgren, author of the Pippi Longstocking books. > > Oh man! I'm bummed. Actually, I had no idea she was still alive. Pippi > Longstocking was my first positive female role model (as she was for many > girls, I think). My favorite book was "Pippi in the South Seas" where > she and her friends lived in a cave on a tropical island. I often > fantasized about doing that. And she wrote so many other great books: Michel aus (from) Lvnneberga, Karlsson auf dem Dach (on the roof) and, of course, Die Br|der Lvwenherz (??). Rarely have I cried so much while reading a book... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Winter is coming. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:09:45 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: Garage setlist 25/01/02 I agree it's a shame we didn't meet up -- it was more crowded than I had expected, and I forgot the secret handshake (and had no neon Thoths to wear to make myself perfectly obvious.) In any event, I spent most of the show hanging out with the lady selling CDs -- who knew NOTHING about Robyn, but was filling in for a sick friend -- so she referred all questions ("hey, I'm from Seattle! Is that Sea-Tac song on any of these CDs?") to me. I ended up making an annotated setlist for her, so she could tell people what songs were on the albums she was selling, and which folks would have to hunt down at HMV, Tower or -- better still -- Reckless Records in Soho. This little exercise demonstrated an interesting fact -- the vast majority of the tunes played were from JfS, SfB, and EoL -- both SfB & EoL were for sale in the back. I'm guessing the newcomers were given these three discs to learn the songs. I could be wrong. Anyway, I have only one dissent from the setlists given so far (and I add my own observations below) -- they didn't play "Devil's Radio," but rather "Driving Aloud (Radio Storm)"). Close, though. Garage, London, 25th January 2002, Robyn Hitchcock And... Solo acoustic: 1. Gene Hackman ("I'll have a cold shower/ I'll have a large cone full of whelks/ And if you force me to choose my favorite large Canadian mammal/ I'd have to admit it was the elk...") 2. Queen Elvis 3. 1974 RH acoustic + Morris + stand-up bass + acoustic guitar: 4. Nick Drake RH electric + Morris + stand-up bass + acoustic guitar: 5. Chinese Bones RH electric + Morris + stand-up bass + electric guitar: 6. America 7. When I Was a Kid 8. Viva Sea-Tac 9. Adoration of the City RH electric + Morris + electric bass + electric guitar: 10. Somewhere Apart 11. Dark Princess 12. The Underneath 13. Driving Aloud Encores: RH acoustic + Morris: 14. Winchester (agreed -- this was a rare and fantastic treat) RH electric + Morris: 15. Airscape (I dissent -- I thought this was one of the worst renditions I've heard of this, admittedly, great song. Robyn couldn't handle the guitar melody line properly, and even the ever stalwart Morris had some troubles with the harmonies. Too slow, as well. I guess the great Soft Boys versions of this one form 2001 ruined it for me, really). RH electric + Morris + stand-up bass + electric guitar: 16. Ted, Woody & Junior (the highlight of the show, for me anyway. Never having heard this one live, though one of my favorite RH songs, plus the arrangement was very nice. When introduced as "about three guys in the bathroom together," I thought it would be "Rock 'n' Roll Toilet." This was better, though.) 17. So You Think You're In Love (having previously dismissed this tune as "Robyn-lite," and feeling that it was a crass attempt to craft a song that could be played on the radio -- as RH said to Dave Kendall on MTV's "120 Minutes" when this album came out, "I consciously tried to write some tunes without so many trolls & trilobites this time around" -- I was surprised by how much I enjoyed this. It's just a very nicely constructed pop song, which sounded great live. Distance and context is everything, I guess). 18. Jewels for Sophia ("for Michelle" -- I guess that's better than having "Insanely Jealous" dedicated for you, or "Airscape" as has been done countless times.) All in all, very enjoyable and, I agree, pretty "loose." Still, many of these songs were a surprise to me -- esp. Winchester, Ted Woody & Junior & When I was A Kid -- and the back-up players were competent, if not great. It was nice to have a rock & roll band, though, as much as I enjoy RH's solo gigs. Much better for a friday night out, this way. Lastly, from my vantage point, next to the sound man, I could see that the reverb on RH's vocal mike was set to "Fuck Off Nosey, delay 2.0." That made me laugh, tho I suppose it was the Garage's choice & not RH's. - -Ed "I didn't get a chance to debate Cricket with pub-goers, but do think I have a working knowledge of the rules, finally, after watching a replay of India *crushing* England in a one-day match replayed on Sky Sports" Poole. Oh, I almost forgot -- I don't think anyone has pointed out to Kay (and whoever else tracks such things) that Robyn was wearing a bright red shirt with garish green pears on it. At least he wasn't wearing *those pants* -- and I think you know what I mean. - -----Original Message----- From: matt sewell [mailto:matt_sewell@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 4:40 AM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: Garage setlist 25/01/02 Cheers Rob Shame we didn't meet up, but by the time we actually made it to the Garage, it was full and not far off time for the band, same goes for Ed Poole - how was your UK trip? Just a couple of observations to add to Rob's... Robyn had a very odd pick-up arrangement for his accoustic - a little mic taped to the sound hole... not sure why, as it amplified the pick striking the strings, making a hollow click on top of the strings' usual sound... I thought the drum kit and (particularly) the double bass did indeed bode well... When Robyn appeared, shirt untucked (still working on losing that Christmas excess, I guess) he introduced the gig by saying that we'd all be made to feel comfortable by the songs he was going to play - sure enough when he started with Gene Hackman, I immediately did feel very comfortable - I first saw Robyn live in 95, in the midst of his accoustic troubadour phase so it took me right back ( actually as a footnote to this, I thought when I first saw him, solo, accoustic, that this would be the extent of Robyn gigs forever more. I had assumed that the Soft Boys had melted away forever, and that the Egyptians had pulled away from the platform, leaving me forlornly spectating Robyn+accoustic forever more - how wrong I was!). The introductions to the songs, I noticed, especially in this early part of the set were as long and rambling (needless to say, of course, entertaining) as they have been for a long while, and Robyn's mood seemed to be smiley and pleasant, in fact almost nervous despite the fact the songs were being exceedingly well received. As for the backing band... I'm reliably informed they are Rich Hall's Otis Lee Crenshaw band, well, bassist and guitarist, and of course Morris. Now this was weird - why have Morris up there (this is assuming Robyn wanted something that was identifiably different to the Soft Boys ( When I Was A Kid was the closest they came to SBs material)) and not Kimberley (who was in the audience!). I thought the guitarist on stage, though a more-than-capable session man, was a pretty poor alternative, and in a way kind of masking the fact that this seemed to be The Egyptians-Andy M. Perhaps I'm over-analysing this gig... Chinese Bones I thought was fantastic, never having seen it live+electric before, as was When I Was A Kid (I believe, for you trainspotter-obsessives, it was the Gravy Deco version). The rest of the set was much more within the range of recent RH gigs, except The Devil's Radio, which wasn't this song at all, but actually Diving Aloud (Radio Storm)... great to hear live, but disappointing the bassist couldn't manage the proper bassline. Winchester was exceptional, as was Airscape, for all the reasons Rob gives. Ted, Woody & Junior was a surprise, but (for me) a novelty rather than something ever hoped-for. So You Think You're In Love was introduced as being a song Robyn had written for the Rutles. Jewels for Sophia was the strangest version I'd ever heard, less driving than the original, in fact it was downright funky... like RH covering Curtis Mayfield covering RH... most odd. Overall, it was the erm, "loosest" Robyn gig that perhaps I've ever been to, I think a very good one in terms of what they played, and a quite good one in terms of how they played it (and who played it, or rather, in Kimberley's case, who didn't...). One last point - all the electric guitar by Robyn at this gig came from a black Strat... that poor blue tele relegated to being the other guitarist's spare... Perhaps we've been spoiled by all those Soft Boys gigs...! Cheers Matt >From: "Rob" >Reply-To: "Rob" >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Garage setlist 25/01/02 >Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:00:57 -0000 > >I didn't manage to spot Matt (or anyone else from hereabouts), but I >did manage to write down what was played. > >The most noticable thing about the stage was the presence of 3 mics >at front of stage and a drum kit, I thought this boded well. > >Robyn came on alone, with acoustic and played >Gene Hackman >Queen Elvis >1974 > >He was then joined on stage by three blokes - - a Damien, a Christian >and a drummer called Morris. They played > >I Saw Nick Drake > >After which Robyn switched to electric guitar for > >Chinese Bones >America >When I Was A Kid >Viva Sea-Tac >Adoration of the City >Somewhere Apart >Dark Princess (? is that the title of this song?) >The Underneath >Devil's Radio > >That was the end of the main set, Robyn (with acoustic) and Morris >return for the encore with > >Winchester > >Switches then to electric for > >Airscape (which is much, much better with Morris's harmonies than >Robyn on his own) > >Damien and Christian return for > >Ted, Woody & Junior >So You Think You're In Love > >And that was it. The first time I've seen Robyn for a couple of years, >and it was really good. My new girlfriend seemed to like it too. > >As Element of Light is one of my all time favourite albums, I was >particularly pleased to get more than just Airscape again. Now, did >anyone record it & would they like to discuss a copy for me???? > >-- >Rob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. 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When I get a new job (interview this week, plus another freelance gig soon perhaps), I think I'm going to spring for a new machine, but this is running so well on my silly little beige G3 that I'm in no big hurry. > From: "Redtailed Hawk" > > Glad to know you're not one of those > woefully misguided "Respect" bashers;-) Well, anything would have sounded impressive after Perspex Island. :) But yeah, I do like it a lot. I could do with never hearing "The Yip Song" again, and while I love "Arms of Love" and like "The Moon Inside" I think it makes the album sound kind of thin to have those two next to one another. But good lord -- "When I Was Dead," "The Wreck of the Arthur Lee," "When You're Dust," "Serpent at the Gates of Wisdom," even "Driving Aloud" -- such amazing tunes, and so wonderfully HUGE in their arrangements. That's what A&M should have been good for all along. You hear the start of it on Perspex Island but the songs are not quite up to snuff. (That said, I like at least half of Perspex Island a lot -- just as a whole it disappoints me.) > From: grutness@surf4nix.com > > Astrid Lindgren, author of the Pippi Longstocking books. I loved those books. My girlfriend hated them. I'm not sure why. > From: "ross taylor" > Also rented REM's 1st video, REM Succumbs. Ah yes. Love it! Drew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:50:59 -0000 From: "Melissa Higuchi" Subject: RE: *those pants* > Oh, I almost forgot -- I don't think anyone has pointed out to Kay (and > whoever else tracks such things) that Robyn was wearing a bright red shirt > with garish green pears on it. At least he wasn't wearing *those pants* -- > and I think you know what I mean. thank you ed. so many good concert reviews lack this crucial information. does anyone really keep track of these things? if not, it may become a project for me to learn a little about using zope if and when i can get the records for leppo.org updated. network solutions stinks. Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:39:40 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: *those pants* > > At least he wasn't wearing *those pants* -- > > and I think you know what I mean. > > thank you ed. so many good concert reviews lack this crucial information. > does anyone really keep track of these things? Robyn Hitchcock's ROCK ARMADA Concert appearance: Wed., 10 Nov. 1999 Metro - Chicago, Illinois US The pants were there. Michael "I couldn't tell if they were single or double seamed" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:21:39 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: [none] great pics Eleanore! I too like the one of the horse's head! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:30:51 -0000 From: "Rob" Subject: RE: Garage setlist 25/01/02 On 29 Jan 2002 at 13:09, Poole, R. Edward wrote: [snip] > Anyway, I have only one dissent from the setlists given so far (and I add my > own observations below) -- they didn't play "Devil's Radio," but rather > "Driving Aloud (Radio Storm)"). Close, though. > Yes, my mistake. I just wrote down 'radio' on my scrap of paper then two days later forgot which song it actually was. > Oh, I almost forgot -- I don't think anyone has pointed out to Kay > (and whoever else tracks such things) that Robyn was wearing a > bright red shirt with garish green pears on it. At least he wasn't > wearing *those pants* -- and I think you know what I mean. I thought they were apples, but I am a little short sighted. For the encore he wore some a shirt with very large flowers printed on it, I don't remember the colour but Catherine thinks it was purple. We will have a couple of photos eventually. - -- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:57:58 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: B&P CD Offer Well... to celebrate my new cdr drive in my G4 machine (that i installed with the guidance by Tom C!), the return to school for me again (Another semester of my advisor BLOWING ME OFF), Super bowl?, and impending valentine's day I am offering the following up for trade or B&P: Robyn Hitchcock "Live at the Assembly Rooms" 8/4/01 This was graciously supplied to me by our future North American friend in Scottland ;) it has 15 tracks and includes the top 4 hit "A Man's Got To Know His Limitations, Biggs" Email me if you want it or email me your trade list. I am looking for the A&M sessions on cdr as well. Otherwise I will be more than happy to make a copy for a blank cd and postage. Herbie np -> "One" U2 Notre Dame Show 10/10/01 ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:14:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Polly on the Shore / Re: Steeleye Span On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > http://wwwmcc.murdoch.edu.au/~gillard/watersons/pollyshore.html > which match the lyrics at (give or take a syllable/word): > http://www.bitmine.net/~fegmaniax/lyrics/song.cgi?pots > so, POTS is a traditional song that has been recorded by Martin Carthy > & Dave Swarbrick on _Prince Heathen_ in 1969; the FC POTS is also a > traditional song (arranged by Dave Pegg), if my memory of what the > notes to Meet Me on the Ledge say (i'm at worked, and bored to death, > in case you couldn't tell), and i would guess it's the same song (don't > have them with me to check, obviously. Further confusion from another website at: http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~zierke/sandy.denny/songs/pollyontheshore.html which asserts: "[Music Dave Swarbrick, Lyrics Dave Swarbrick / Trevor Lucas] "Originally from the album Nine, with Jerry Donahue, Trevor Lucas (vocals), Dave Mattacks, Dave Pegg and Dave Swarbrick, this track was re-released on the double CD compilation Meet On The Ledge: The Classic Years 1967-1975. A live version from Cropredy 1982 was released on the cassette A.T. 2.>". Lyrics appear to be the same as those on the Watersons website, where it is suggested that Martin Carthy learned it from Pop Maynard, whoever he may be. But it looks as if Carthy considered it to be a folk song, while Swarbrick, Lucas and Hitchcock all thought they might as well claim the authors' royalties. Maybe this is one of those instances where a person rewriting one or two words has somehow written a "new" song within the meaning of the act. If I were Anon, I'd sue. - - Mike "Sunday evening, 7.45" Godwin PS Thanks, Rob! ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #35 *******************************