From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #31 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, January 25 2002 Volume 11 : Number 031 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: RHitchcock 24 Sept '89 [bayard ] Re: RHitchcock 24 Sept '89 [bayard ] steeleye spanking [anansi ] Gone a-wonking ["Redtailed Hawk" ] sugar [Jill Brand ] Re: Alf the great [grutness@surf4nix.com] castor sugar [grutness@surf4nix.com] glass flesh 2: acoustic boogaloo [anansi ] Re: Alfred the Cake ["matt sewell" ] Re: Alfred the White ["matt sewell" ] Re: Alf the great ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Geddy the White ["Randy R." ] Re: glass flesh 2: acoustic boogaloo [The Great Quail ] I've got to stop reading the inscriptions on ancient door seals out loud ["Redtailed Hawk" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:24:44 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: Re: RHitchcock 24 Sept '89 The CDR i made should not be abridged - i believe the show is approximately 74 minutes. I didn't noise-reduce tom's master, so there is definitely room for improvement, though the circulating CDRs should sound virtually exactly like tom's tape. I know a guy on this list who is great at NR if you'd want to go that way. But it sounds like you both are doing your own thing. Also, Ken Weingold is no longer able to host the live RH/soft boys FTP site, so we need someone else with a superfast connection and fat hard drive to step forward. Advantage to you: plenty of great live RH comin' at ya! let me know and i can provide ftp s/w if needed... =b On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Tom Clark wrote: > I made that recording. A few years ago I lent it to Bayard and he > transferred it to DAT and made an abridged single CD. The original will not > be leaving my house again, but I am planning on making a master CD as soon > as eMagic releases an OS X driver for my Audiowerk 2 card. > > -tc > > on 1/21/02 3:38 PM, da9ve stovall at da9ve@geek.com wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > A couple days ago while making archival SHN backups of some live > > CD-Rs, I extracted and listened to the show listed below. The > > disc I received in trade sometime last year (from whom, I have > > no memory) had a few glitches - track breaks click-y and with > > silent gaps, and a drop-out during "Shelter From the Storm" - > > and I spent a few hours cleaning up those glitches. > > > > The result sounds A-OK, and is much more enjoyable to listen > > to, but I was wondering if anyone here knows of or has either > > the master recording or a lower-gen, non-glitchy CD-R copy that > > might be even more of an improvement. If so, I'd be glad to > > re-master the set and offer it up for trade, or else offer up > > my own cleaned up version for trade as well. > > > > Robyn Hitchcock - T.T. the Bears - Sunday, September 24, 1989 > > > > 1 Sometimes I Wish I Was a Pretty Girl > > 2 Cynthia Mask > > 3 Glass > > 4 I Got the Hots > > 5 Raining Twilight Coast > > 6 Sandras Having Her Brain out > > 7 Beautiful Girl > > 8 The Bones in the Ground > > 9 Winter Love > > 10 Shelter From the Storm > > 11 Queen Elvis > > 12 Old Pervert > > 13 The Ghost In You > > 14 The Band Faust > > 15 Draft Morning > > 16 Im Set Free > > 17 Strawberry Fields Forever > > 18 Youre an Angel > > > > cheers, > > da9ve > - -- http://glasshotel.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:32:32 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: Re: RHitchcock 24 Sept '89 PS. the gaps on your copy of the CDR are no doubt due to someone burning in "track at once" instead of "disc at once" mode - this inserts silent 2-second gaps between the tracks. > The CDR i made should not be abridged - i believe the show is > approximately 74 minutes. > > I didn't noise-reduce tom's master, so there is definitely room for > improvement, though the circulating CDRs should sound virtually exactly > like tom's tape. > > I know a guy on this list who is great at NR if you'd want to go that way. > But it sounds like you both are doing your own thing. > > Also, Ken Weingold is no longer able to host the live RH/soft boys FTP > site, so we need someone else with a superfast connection and fat hard > drive to step forward. Advantage to you: plenty of great live RH comin' > at ya! > > let me know and i can provide ftp s/w if needed... > > =b > > > On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Tom Clark wrote: > > > I made that recording. A few years ago I lent it to Bayard and he > > transferred it to DAT and made an abridged single CD. The original will not > > be leaving my house again, but I am planning on making a master CD as soon > > as eMagic releases an OS X driver for my Audiowerk 2 card. > > > > -tc > > > > on 1/21/02 3:38 PM, da9ve stovall at da9ve@geek.com wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > A couple days ago while making archival SHN backups of some live > > > CD-Rs, I extracted and listened to the show listed below. The > > > disc I received in trade sometime last year (from whom, I have > > > no memory) had a few glitches - track breaks click-y and with > > > silent gaps, and a drop-out during "Shelter From the Storm" - > > > and I spent a few hours cleaning up those glitches. > > > > > > The result sounds A-OK, and is much more enjoyable to listen > > > to, but I was wondering if anyone here knows of or has either > > > the master recording or a lower-gen, non-glitchy CD-R copy that > > > might be even more of an improvement. If so, I'd be glad to > > > re-master the set and offer it up for trade, or else offer up > > > my own cleaned up version for trade as well. > > > > > > Robyn Hitchcock - T.T. the Bears - Sunday, September 24, 1989 > > > > > > 1 Sometimes I Wish I Was a Pretty Girl > > > 2 Cynthia Mask > > > 3 Glass > > > 4 I Got the Hots > > > 5 Raining Twilight Coast > > > 6 Sandras Having Her Brain out > > > 7 Beautiful Girl > > > 8 The Bones in the Ground > > > 9 Winter Love > > > 10 Shelter From the Storm > > > 11 Queen Elvis > > > 12 Old Pervert > > > 13 The Ghost In You > > > 14 The Band Faust > > > 15 Draft Morning > > > 16 Im Set Free > > > 17 Strawberry Fields Forever > > > 18 Youre an Angel > > > > > > cheers, > > > da9ve > > > > - -- http://glasshotel.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:37:16 -0800 From: anansi Subject: steeleye spanking > From: "Redtailed Hawk" [quality of Robyn's recent work] > Yes, his stuff has gained depth. I think it's had depth for a while, but lately it feels more considered and eloquent, even when it's playful. I think maybe it's gained patience...? > Its the in between stuff thats problomatic. Change > tends to be awkward. Alot of the stuff from QE to PI were, for me, > dodgy--sometimes excellent and sometimes pretty bad. I know many of you > would include Respect in the trick or treat phase--but not me;-) I pretty much agree with you entirely there. Respect was, I think, the real transitional album, with Perspex Island being the end of a certain road. Regarding Peggy Lee and "Fever" -- I can't imagine why no one has brought up Madonna's cover of the tune. :) > From: Jill Brand > > My ten-year-old was in the car with me while I was listening to The Speed > of Things, and she asked me if it was Steeleye Span. God, I feel sorry > for my kids. Too right -- any ten-year-old kid in 2002 who knows who Steeleye Span are is destined to be out of touch. :) My parents got me into the Mamas and the Papas and Simon and Garfunkel (and, to a lesser extent, Elvis) when I was a kid. Now that you bring it up, though, I can see how one might hear Steeleye Span in that song. Their influence (and, presumably, Fairport Convention's) is all over a lot of Robyn's songs. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:14:44 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Gone a-wonking James: >if you want a bonkers yet incredibly researched theory of the UFO powergrid >- and have a degree in mathematics - you might like to have a squiz at >Bruce Cathie's "Harmonics" books - Harmonic 33, Harmonic 695 etc. Mad, but >rigorous. A squiz;-? I wish I could get into UFOS more--somehow my favortite crankiania is usually low tech. Did like John Mitchell's "View over Atlantis" thou. I also have a book somewhere at home about the earth's powergrid. Its not rigerous and quite mad, but fun. - ---------------------------------- Roberta--ohhhh yes, I do like it! - ------------------------------ Matt: >I totally recommend Anti-Gravity and the >World Grid, compiled by the (I think fairly notoriously nuts) David >Hatcher Childress... Thats the one! And thanks to you and Godders for the Gog Magog info. You seem to have a liking for this stuff. What are some of your favorite books/theories etc? Im fairly amused by the Hitler in Antartica one. Its hard to find stuff thats the right mixture of odd facts, mythopoetic power and logic gone a-wonk. - ------------------------------- Nader is coming to give a lecture at the library. Should I be afraid;-) Kay _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:52:41 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: sugar Thanks to everyone's help, I think caster sugar is the same as superfine sugar, and I still have a box from Christmas cookies, so my Egyptian semolina cake is a go. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:03:51 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: Alf the great the one question yet to be answered - what relation was King Harold (II, of Hastings fame) to our very own "of the ancient royal lineage" Mike Godwin? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:07:20 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: castor sugar castor sugar, according toa dear friend who is also heavily involved in cooking websites, is called 'superfine sugar' in the US. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:59:08 -0800 From: anansi Subject: glass flesh 2: acoustic boogaloo I promised a long time ago (like 2 months) to say more about the Glass Flesh CDs I bought. And here I am with a half-assed fulfillment of said promise: I'll comment on GF2 first, because that's the one people are probably less likely to have already. I won't comment on every track, but only on the ones that struck me as especially wonderful or unusual. I didn't love every track, but all of them are at least listenable and, with few exceptions, enjoyable. So -- without intending to slight anyone -- I'll single out a few for comment. - - Two tracks, whose titles I won't mention to preserve the surprise, incorporate bits of other Hitchcock tunes in clever ways (sort of medley-style, not to invoke the Sweeney sisters or anything). - - Ross Overbury's vocals on "Balloon Man" are lovely. It's a minor-key take with a somewhat folky feel to it. - - Charisma-tron's "Satellite" is in the same vein as the Transparencies' "Trash" from GF1: deadpan female vox over minimalist indie-punkish backing. Nice -- I'd love to hear more covers in this vein, because, as you know, women are angelic beings not of this earth. - - "Chinese Bones" is rendered pretty faithfully by The Love Spots, with the tumbling poise of the original stretched into a driving- song sprawl for this version. Very nice. - - The Virgineers flesh out "Surgery" in a terrific psychedelic mode. I always liked this one and this is the way I always wanted to hear it. - - Credit to David Anderson for tackling "Birdshead." That's a tough act to follow but he does so faithfully and beautifully. - - Fairly straightforward versions of "Queen Elvis," "Airscape," and "Alright, Yeah" (by Triskelion, Mark Allen, and Sir Demon Brown). Good listening. - - The weirdest track is "More Chinese Boys" by Dead Toe. I don't think Robyn wrote it. If I had to pick three favorite tracks, I'd pick four. They'd be: - - Mark Gloster's "Raymond Chandler Evening," complete with Philip Marlowe's spoken-word contribution. Great expansion of the original and a real pleasure to listen to. - - The fully-formed version of "You've Got." I always found the version on You & Oblivion a little dull, which is not to belittle the JH3 Experience's fantastic cover. - - "Flavour of Night," by the Southern Drinking Companions, sounds less like John Lennon and more like Martin Gore fronting Black Tape for a Blue Girl. It's lovely, especially the vocals. - - And the special bonus prize goes to the only instrumental this time around, a crystalline take on "Glass" by the New Nairobi Trio. I keep thinking I hear a snatch of "We Three Kings" in it but it must be my imagination. I have pretty low expectations for tribute albums, so saying this is the best one I've ever heard seems like faint praise, but it's not. I'd love to hear more radical reworkings, but that's about the only criticism I can level. I highly recommend it. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:41:35 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Alfred the Cake Thanks Mike, of course... he was born there... should have guessed. Amazing to think people from Wantage are still failing their catering GNVQs, although few of them go on to unite the Saxon kingdoms and defeat the Danes anymore... In the Ashmolean Museum here in Oxford there is the Alfred jewel - - beautifully crafted enamel, crystal and gold, with the words Aelfred mec heht gewyrcan around the outside (Alfred had me made)... AFAIR, it was discovered quite by chance in the C17th. Certainly one of the most incredible exhibits in the museum. Alfred, BTW, means "Elf Counsel" in Saxon... Cheers Matt > >According to , he was born there in 849. >So he must have failed his GNVQ in catering in about 870. > > > Every New Years eve, despite a concerted effort by the local police, > > everyone goes into the square, someone shins up the statue and pours > > beer all over it. Everyone cheers and then there's one almighty > > fight... for some reason, the sleepy town of Wantage, tucked away in a > > nook in the downs is an incredibly violent place... > >Shades of Hungerford ... > > >- Mike Godwin > >PS Is it true that GNVQ stands for 'Generally not very quick'? :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:48:11 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Alfred the White When were you there Eleanore? Back in the early 90s my old band used to play at various free festivals on the ridgeway very close to Wantage... and what the hell brought you there? Wantage is pretty, I guess, and historic, granted, but that doesn't stop it from being quite a shitty little provincial town with a bad attitude and a shallow gene pool... Cheers Matt >From: Eleanore Adams >To: matt sewell >CC: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Alfred the White >Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:37:06 -0800 > >When I get the website updated, I have a ton of photos of Wantage, >the >statue etc... > >e > >On Thursday, January 24, 2002, at 04:55 AM, matt sewell wrote: > >>I forgot to say - Wantage, a town not far from Uffington, has a >>statue >>of >>Alfred in the town square (to remember exactly why I would have to >>dig >>deep into the memory banks). Every New Years eve, despite a >>concerted >>effort by the local police, everyone goes into the square, someone >>shins >>up the statue and pours beer all over it. Everyone cheers and then >>there's one almighty fight... for some reason, the sleepy town of >>Wantage, tucked away in a nook in the downs is an incredibly >>violent >>place... >> >>Gog & Magog are the two old oaks, the last remainders of the >>ancient >>avenue to Glastonbury Tor... they're at the bottom of a paddock in >>a >>campsite where we always stay when we go to Glasto each May Day... >>the >>oaks are on their way out, sadly, fewer leaves and more dead >>branches >>each year. They are over a thousand years old, though ("hmm - when >>900 >>years old you be, look as good will you not!"). >> >>As for the zodiac, well, I'm not a subscriber, but I do know >>someone who >>*swears* he can see it... >> >>Cheers >> >>Matt >> >>>From: "Redtailed Hawk" >Reply-To: "Redtailed Hawk" >To: >>fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Alfred the White >Date: Tue, 22 Jan >>2002 >>21:55:52 +0000 > >As an Anglephile/phobe I've loved the White Horse >>thread. And as >someone >whose always had an crush(unrequited alas >>alack, >>thou I have >considered >necromancy) on Alfred The Great, love that >>thread too(and would love >to know >what Alfred's "mysterious >>ailment" >>which somehow was changed into >another >"mysterious ailment was. >>It >>sounds so wonderfully neurotic, and this >from a >man who came back >>from >>total defeat and hiding in the marshes, >united a >nation, gave >>laws and >>actively supported learning(including >translating >texts himself) >>in >>what was otherwise the darkest of times. > >What's amazing is that >>he >>seemed to embody the myth of Arthur, >embody it for >the people >>whom >>Arthur repudidly fought, as if the land had absorbed >the >> >differences. >>Its a great piece of what Charles William called the >irony >behind >>irony. >Yes, my Romanticism is showing. ;-) > >Also can't believe >>no one >>has mentioned Chesterton's "Ballad of the >White >Horse"(alright-- >>its >>not -that- bad.) And as someone who is >imaginitevly >partial to >>the >>idea >>of ley lines(places do have geni loci, not sure >how or >why, but >>they >>do >>in my experience)well ... its one of the best myths >of >modern >>times. I >>-want- it to be true. > >Does anyone know how the Gog Magog hills >>became >>known as such from >an >obscure Bible passage? >--------------- > >>>Robyn's covered "Im Set Free." I assume thats the VU song? Never >>> >heard >>him >do it but I've always wondered if there was a connection for >>the >>>illusion/delusion thing(aka, love sucks major eggs)(vr the >>>beheading >>>motif >thing which goes back to Arthurian stuff and >>>farther)between >>>"Airscape" and >it. > >------------------------------ > >Is >>>someone >>going to bring up the Glastonbury Zodiac or Bob Stewart >next;-? > >> >Kay, >>yes, who had her allergy shots today > > >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>> >MSN >>Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >>>http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. >> > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:50:41 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Alf the great grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > > what relation was King Harold (II, of > Hastings fame) to our very own "of the ancient royal lineage" Mike Godwin? great grand-nephew? Stewart ;-) (who, much to his suprise and delight, is now an Information Systems Professional: according to the BCS, at least.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 05:33:18 -0800 From: "Randy R." Subject: Re: Geddy the White In keeping with the European theme of this thread, it's been announced that Rush will be a-tourin' "over there".......1 date confirmed-- http://www.le-zenith.com/entree Perhaps Robyn could be persuaded to join the boys onstage for a rendition of "By-Tor and The Snow Dog". : ) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:08:54 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: glass flesh 2: acoustic boogaloo Drew writes, >I promised a long time ago (like 2 months) to say more about >the Glass Flesh CDs I bought. Great comments, too! There's some very cool stuff on GF2. Well done, Bayard! You are the MAN. And LJ's artwork is great, too. (Though she didn't hide a Secret Quai in there like I asked, goddammit.) >- Ross Overbury's vocals on "Balloon Man" are lovely. It's a >minor-key take with a somewhat folky feel to it. I know! I have never really liked "Balloon Man" all that much -- even before I was "overexposed" to it -- but Ross' version was fantastic. Darker, with a lovely sinister feel. One of the stand-out tracks on the CD, in my opinion. >- Mark Gloster's "Raymond Chandler Evening," complete with Philip >Marlowe's spoken-word contribution. Great expansion of the original >and a real pleasure to listen to. Well-put, and another of my favorites. >- "Flavour of Night," by the Southern Drinking Companions, sounds less >like John Lennon and more like Martin Gore fronting Black Tape for a >Blue Girl. It's lovely, especially the vocals. Yep. Another "me, too" comment. >I'd love to hear more radical reworkings, but that's about the only >criticism I can level. I highly recommend it. Drew? We are on the exact same wavelength here. I love covers that really rework, deconstruct, or expand on the original. Otherwise, what's the point? I think one of the better tribute albums is the over for the Grateful Dead -- Elvis Costello sings "Ship of Fools," there's a reggae cover of "Estimated Prophet," and Jane's Addiction totally make "Ripple" their own. - --Quail - -- +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ Quailpicks: Top Ten films, CDs, and classical releases of 2001: http://www.libyrinth.com/quail/raves.html "i'm not a critic, though i play one on the internet." -- doug mayo-wells ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:15:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Alf the great > grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > > what relation was King Harold (II, of > > Hastings fame) to our very own "of the ancient royal lineage" Mike Godwin? On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > great grand-nephew? \ Yeah, yeah, tres amusante, Stewart. Surnames didn't work regularly in those days, so as the son of Earl Godwin, Harold's surname was actually Godwinsson. AFAIK I am no relation, but there were so few people in the country in those days that any modern Godwin might be a descendant. Is there any pre-Conquest Godwin DNA that we can check? - - MRG PS Watched that 'Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade' on TV last night. In an otherwise plausible film (?) two things jarred with me: a) A local wooden signpost pointing one way to Berlin and the other to Venice. How far apart are they? b) An actor impersonating Hitler who looked about 60. As the film was set in 1938, surely Hitler should have been under 50? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:26:45 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: I've got to stop reading the inscriptions on ancient door seals out loud Not only does this partially answer my question to Matt yesterday-- Its also effing hilarious http://www.theonion.com/onion3801/archaeologist_tired.html Kay _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:29:12 From: "marcus slade" Subject: Robyn & Grant Lee I don't know if any Feg's were there, but it seems Robyn joined Grant Lee Phillips for the second of his two London Garage shows on Thursday to play _It's All Over Now, Baby Blue_ and _Ashes To Ashes_ http://www.grantleephillips.com/board/index.cgi?board=music&action=display&num=798 Marcus _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #31 *******************************