From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #29 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, January 23 2002 Volume 11 : Number 029 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Not Wasting time ["Fric Chaud" ] Re: RHitchcock 24 Sept '89 [Tom Clark ] Alfred the White ["Redtailed Hawk" ] "the best is yet to come" - def leppard [anansi ] Lanois, Blint, whatever [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: chalk horses [grutness@surf4nix.com] server crash [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: White Horse/Peggy Lee [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: Reap ["victorian squid" ] Re: No Substance [theodius ] Re: Reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Alfred the White [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Bob Stewart [Michael R Godwin ] Kimberley live at Dirty Water, March 8 [bayard ] Amber Spyglass [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Amber Spyglass [Sebastian Hagedorn ] CDR APPLE (again) [Mike Swedene ] Re: Amber Spyglass [Michael R Godwin ] Re: London calling-- as eagles crap bears for wood fuel [gSs Subject: Re: Not Wasting time On 22 Jan 2002, at 16:53, Redtailed Hawk wrote: > Does anyone elese get the feeling that ...well, it may be Robyn's > time? > So > what if he throws in his anti-achievement hand and submits himself to > hard work, good production and an honest go? I think his work with A&M represents all that. The promotion of his work by A&M certainly could have been better, but I like the work. It seems Robyn has begun to separate the A&M material from the environment in which it was produced, when one considers recent concert setlists. - -- Frico ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:35:49 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: RHitchcock 24 Sept '89 I made that recording. A few years ago I lent it to Bayard and he transferred it to DAT and made an abridged single CD. The original will not be leaving my house again, but I am planning on making a master CD as soon as eMagic releases an OS X driver for my Audiowerk 2 card. - -tc on 1/21/02 3:38 PM, da9ve stovall at da9ve@geek.com wrote: > Hi all, > > A couple days ago while making archival SHN backups of some live > CD-Rs, I extracted and listened to the show listed below. The > disc I received in trade sometime last year (from whom, I have > no memory) had a few glitches - track breaks click-y and with > silent gaps, and a drop-out during "Shelter From the Storm" - > and I spent a few hours cleaning up those glitches. > > The result sounds A-OK, and is much more enjoyable to listen > to, but I was wondering if anyone here knows of or has either > the master recording or a lower-gen, non-glitchy CD-R copy that > might be even more of an improvement. If so, I'd be glad to > re-master the set and offer it up for trade, or else offer up > my own cleaned up version for trade as well. > > Robyn Hitchcock - T.T. the Bears - Sunday, September 24, 1989 > > 1 Sometimes I Wish I Was a Pretty Girl > 2 Cynthia Mask > 3 Glass > 4 I Got the Hots > 5 Raining Twilight Coast > 6 Sandras Having Her Brain out > 7 Beautiful Girl > 8 The Bones in the Ground > 9 Winter Love > 10 Shelter From the Storm > 11 Queen Elvis > 12 Old Pervert > 13 The Ghost In You > 14 The Band Faust > 15 Draft Morning > 16 Im Set Free > 17 Strawberry Fields Forever > 18 Youre an Angel > > cheers, > da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:55:52 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Alfred the White As an Anglephile/phobe I've loved the White Horse thread. And as someone whose always had an crush(unrequited alas alack, thou I have considered necromancy) on Alfred The Great, love that thread too(and would love to know what Alfred's "mysterious ailment" which somehow was changed into another "mysterious ailment was. It sounds so wonderfully neurotic, and this from a man who came back from total defeat and hiding in the marshes, united a nation, gave laws and actively supported learning(including translating texts himself) in what was otherwise the darkest of times. What's amazing is that he seemed to embody the myth of Arthur, embody it for the people whom Arthur repudidly fought, as if the land had absorbed the differences. Its a great piece of what Charles William called the irony behind irony. Yes, my Romanticism is showing. ;-) Also can't believe no one has mentioned Chesterton's "Ballad of the White Horse"(alright-- its not -that- bad.) And as someone who is imaginitevly partial to the idea of ley lines(places do have geni loci, not sure how or why, but they do in my experience)well ... its one of the best myths of modern times. I -want- it to be true. Does anyone know how the Gog Magog hills became known as such from an obscure Bible passage? - --------------- Robyn's covered "Im Set Free." I assume thats the VU song? Never heard him do it but I've always wondered if there was a connection for the illusion/delusion thing(aka, love sucks major eggs)(vr the beheading motif thing which goes back to Arthurian stuff and farther)between "Airscape" and it. - ------------------------------ Is someone going to bring up the Glastonbury Zodiac or Bob Stewart next;-? Kay, yes, who had her allergy shots today _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:13:43 -0800 From: anansi Subject: "the best is yet to come" - def leppard > From: "Redtailed Hawk" [Robyn] > Am I the only one who things things might fall into place for him? That some > of his best work is ahead? And that the world might be a better place for > it? I half-agree with you...on the one hand I think it's still unlikely that Robyn will Be Famous in the near future, but on the other I do think some of his best work may well be ahead. I think Moss Elixir and Jewels for Sophia are two of his best albums so far, and Star for Bram suggests to me that the flow isn't a fluke. I think the character of his work has really changed since "The Man with the Lightbulb Head," but not for the worse. > From: The Great Quail The sort of post I love. Thanks, man. > 6. "Poses," Rufus Wainright. I listened to this again when I was away for New Year's, and wasn't disappointed. I think it deserves this place on your list. > 9. "Look into the Eyeball," David Byrne. Good commentary here as well. > 9. "Monsters, Inc." > Shrek who? YES! Thank you. I thought Shrek was really disappointing, despite a promising theme; I have no desire ever to see it again. Monsters, Inc., on the other hand, didn't look too hot and turned out to be a lot of fun. If you could have combined its charm and taste with the attempt at content Shrek spoiled with its approach, you'd have had one hell of a computer movie. I continue to buy old music, I'm afraid. I finally got around to buying The Worst of Black Box Recorder (and beautifulgarbage, which would definitely make my top ten list if I wrote one) after previewing it as a CDR, but other than that my last few CD purchases were Duran Duran's first album, the Eurythmics' Savage, and Prince's splendid Dirty Mind. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:28:33 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Lanois, Blint, whatever >>How 'bout this.... Daniel Lanois produces RH's next album??.....or >>was i was dreaming.? > >I would *love* for that to happen. I think Lanois has a real good >feel for guitar players -- f'rinstance, the album he did for Willie >Nelson, "Teatro" is one of the best-sounding recordings I've heard in >a long time, and one of my favorite Nelson records, too. his work with Emmylou Harris (Wrecking Ball) is stunning. I'd recommend it to anyone. >Thanks Eddie! I'd just calculated that May 31 was on a Thursday in these >years: 1979, 1984, and 1990. Y'all realized this was my birthday, right? > For that reason alone, I'd love to snag the poster...but $10 >shipping seems a little steep. (Who's Mr. Blint?) he lives in a hole in the middle of an office block, plays piano and is fascinated by the number 17, according to Godley and Creme. Or perhaps that's a different Mr Blint. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:28:26 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: chalk horses >On 21 Jan 2002, at 17:08, grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > > >> nf - lessee... January 21st... Fric, care to guess what flag I'd be >> flying today? :) > >The Tricolore, unless you are a Royalist sympathiser -- but we >know what happens to them. Also possible, the municipal flag of >Wellington? :) not if you saw what that scrawled-over dustcover looks like! As you probably realised it was the blue and white one with the four blobs in the corners. I save the tricolore until mid-July. James nf - Georgia (the Tbilisi one, not the Atlanta one). Plum red, with a canton with two stripes, black over white. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:28:39 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: server crash Apologies to anyone whose tried to email me in the last 24 hours or so - my ISP did a big firework yesterday. Nothing could get out and almost nothing could get in. Hopefully it won't happen again... James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:58:36 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: White Horse/Peggy Lee >>As a kid I used to live only a few miles from White Horse Hill. For years >>it was thought that the horse signified a victory in battle of Alfred >>over the... Danes..? in 871. Recently it's been found that it's far >>older, much more likely from the Bronze Age... the nearby hillfort is a >>fantastic example, with the outer ramparts still intact. > >Wrong white horse for Alfred v. Danes. For that you have to come further >west. Although Uffington is undoubtably ancient, the seven or more white >horses we have in Wessex are 18th Century or later. It's pretty clear that the Uffington white horse is considerably older than both these sites and Alfred. It is usually regarded as dating to about 100 BC, and is of very similar design to designs representing the goddess Epona on pre-Roman British coins. It is connected with a number of other pre-Roman sites in the same area - notably Wayland's Smithy, the Roidgeway Path, and he Whitehorse Hill fort. The Epona was in pre-modern times regularly cleared at a festival every seven years, and the site was linked by tradition with the site of St. Goerge's battle with the dragon. Incidentally, Epona is the leading name in my Theologue, and I use the Uffington Horse as part of my signature on paintings! >Without getting too heavily into Wessex ancient sites but keeping to Alfred >and the Danes I could add that my home town of Chippenham is both where >Alfred's army was suprised at Christmas in 871? which lead directly to his >fleeing to Somerset and the cakes/fugitive stuff and where the final peace >between Wessex and the Danes was concluded. Recent DNA tests ( BBC Blood of >the Vikings) failed to find any long time inhabitant ( Grandfather was >local) of Scandanavian descent. Alfred was the grandfather of Athelstan who >conquered most of England, holding councils in York and Northumbria and even >niggling the Scotts he is "buried" in nearby Malmesbury which is off course >home to Eilmer the Flying Monk - but that's another story. He wasn't as good at it as Leonardo. But he did foretell the Norman Conquest! Sadly it's a part of Britain which I've never visited, despite finding out in the last handful of years that my mother's birth mother came from Corsham, only a handful of miles from Chippenham. Her surname is a name found in that area and nowhere else, and (despite having no evidence of exactly what the name means) it does have a vaguely Viking sound to it - Shewring. But most of the Danes were far to the east and north, from Suffolk to Scotland. >> Peggy Lee. > >oh, man! > >I have to say, I still think that the cover of "Fever" by The Cramps is >better than PL's original. sadly I cannot hear that song without thinking of Rita Moreno and Animal on the Muppet Show. James PS - thanks to quail for an impressive and erudite rundown of the year's best. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:06:34 -0800 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: Reap On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:28:50 Stewart C. Russell wrote: >I have to say, I still think that the cover of "Fever" by The Cramps is >better than PL's original. The original is by Little Willie John. Peggy Lee's was the "smoother and more acceptable to white audiences" version. loveonya, susan partial to Dion's version, m'self Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:59:35 -0800 (PST) From: theodius Subject: Re: No Substance Thankyou Gene Hopsetter...I thought I was going to plastered with tomatoes after that alcahol induced moment of great ideas. Must say though...I' am very impressed Daniel Lanois's work. Think I was first exposed to DL with U2's "the joshua tree" then Bob Dylans "OH MERCY"....then saw DL play live on some cable channel and was mesmorized...next went out and hunted down a DL album and found "FOR THE BEAUTY OF WYNONA" and was hooked like a fish. cheers. http://www.theos-place.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:01:54 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Reap victorian squid wrote: > > The original is by Little Willie John. Peggy Lee's was the > "smoother and more acceptable to white audiences" version. well, okay then, I guess that Lux must've heard it from LWJ. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:36:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Alfred the White On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Redtailed Hawk wrote: > Also can't believe no one has mentioned Chesterton's "Ballad of the White > Horse"(alright-- its not -that- bad.) I once saw a TV prog which included a (?) piece of music inspired by the BotWH. The high spot was when an animated Uffington White Horse stood up on the hillside and started prancing around! I remember this programme being in black and white, so it must have been a long time ago. Does anyone have any idea what this might have been? > And as someone who is imaginitevly partial to the idea of ley > lines(places do have geni loci, not sure how or why, but they do in my > experience)well ... its one of the best myths of modern times. I > -want- it to be true. I first came across ley lines in (a) Alan Garner's 'The moon of Gomrath' and (b) John Michell's 'The flying saucer vision'. Michell argued that they were lines of force associated with Feng Shui, and flying saucers drew their power from the lines. Dragon Hill just below the Uffington Horse was the site where a flying saucer had crashed, and Silbury Hill was a flying saucer launching platform. It all made sense to me at the time - I had just discovered barley wine ("stronger than a double Scotch and less than half the price"). There's an interesting interview with Alan Garner at: > Does anyone know how the Gog Magog hills became known as such from an > obscure Bible passage? According to Tom Lethbridge (who is slightly more reliable than John Michell) the original name of the local god was Goemagot. This was corrupted by Bible-reading Saxons to Gogmagog. > Robyn's covered "Im Set Free." I assume thats the VU song? Never heard > him do it but I've always wondered if there was a connection for the > illusion/delusion thing(aka, love sucks major eggs)(vr the beheading > motif thing which goes back to Arthurian stuff and farther)between > "Airscape" and it. I first heard this song when 'Velvet Underground' came out. What a surprise! I was expecting another 'Sister Ray'-type album full of amphetamine-driven crunch like "I heard her call my name", and instead there were ditties such as "Jesus" and "Afterhours". What a weird guy! > Is someone going to bring up the Glastonbury Zodiac No, we have no time for barmy Mrs Maltwood. or Bob Stewart next;-? Bob Stewart? Of 'Waters of the Gap' fame? I used to know him quite well when he lived across the road from the Roman Baths. He was a folk musician on the local club scene before he became a folklorist. Played an awful lot of instruments including a very reverby dulcimer. I went to an interesting lecture by him at the Guildhall where he came up with lots of info about Bladud, including his flying episode. Last time I saw him he had been working on a musical with (of all people) Roy Hudd. > Kay, yes, who had her allergy shots today Good move. I'm taking this azathioprine stuff now, which entails regular blood tests to check that the corpuscles are still performing conscientiously. - - Mike "rolling English drunkard" Godwin PS I hadn't realised that 'Fever' was by Little Willie John. He also wrote Fleetwood Mac's first near-hit 'I need your love so bad', but I don't know anything else about him. Is he in the sort of Amos Milburn bracket? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:19:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Bob Stewart Additional Bob Stewart info at: Apparently Bob has been living on a houseboat in Sausalito, and is currently published in the UK by: Thoth Publications! Must dash as I am invigilating shortly. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:00:30 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: Kimberley live at Dirty Water, March 8 There's going to be a launch gig for the Nu Blues at the Dirty Water Club, Boston Arms, Tufnell Park, North London on March 8th (www.dirtywaterclub.com). Line-up - Holly Golightly (ex-Headcoatee with Billy Childish, recent collaborator with, and support act for The White Stripes), Petit Vodo (mad, French, one-madman-speed-techno-blues-band - plays drums, guitar, blues harp and electronic gadgetry simultaneously - wild!)... AND, our very own Kimberley Rew doing a solo set during which he will essay Give It To The Soft Boy! (sic). Kim will be on at 9.15 ish. Anyone who saw his recent gig at the Borderline will know it's well worth it. The album being supported here is the "Balling the Jack" new blues compilation I've posted about before. PS to woj - the source of this says it's OK to post this and the previous news on fegmania. =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:16:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Amber Spyglass Philip Pullman has won the Whitbread prize with The Amber Spyglass - the first children's book to do so: - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:34:02 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Amber Spyglass - --On Wednesday, January 23, 2002 16:16:07 +0000 Michael R Godwin wrote: > Philip Pullman has won the Whitbread prize with The Amber Spyglass - > the first children's book to do so: > 93.stm> Actually I thought the first two parts were better. I didn't enjoy the resolution as much... Greetings, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Winter is coming. [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:31:17 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: CDR APPLE (again) Hey gang. I have decided to yank my dvd out of my g4. I am very saddened by this but it needs to be done. anyone know any sights that can walk me thru this? I opened the machine up and it looks like it is caged in there. Thanks! Herbie np-> "My Sweet Lord" U2 10/10/01 (Notre Dame) ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:35:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Amber Spyglass On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > Actually I thought the first two parts were better. I didn't enjoy the > resolution as much... I think you could be right, Sebastian. Probably the award was really for the whole trilogy. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:42:10 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: London calling-- as eagles crap bears for wood fuel On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, Redtailed Hawk wrote: > Get lost. This is my favorite way to see a city. Pick an area and wander > abit. See how confused you can get. Discovering stuff on your own has a > hidden treasure pleasure to it. And London is so chock(yup, theres that word > again) full of stuff 1) you can never see everything enjoyable and 2)you can > not really pick an area (alright, maybe the Barbazon) without interest. That is the same way I would recommend seeing Tijuana, or just about anyplace. It seems that as soon as you stop looking like a tourist, meaning staying away from the main touristey attractions, everything goes much smoother. You can still act like a tourist of course, just don't look like one. Does the UK have those pot cafes going yet? Seems like I heard a couple had opened but then were closed by the feds. Is this so or is it the local police that are handling the busts? Or have any actually opened? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:47:32 -0500 From: "Larry O'Brien" Subject: RE: London calling-- as eagles crap bears for wood fuel I recommend seeing Tijuana from the inside of a full-body sized condom. Or better yet, through the TV in your living room. Or not at all. Ditto for Bombay. - -----Original Message----- From: gSs [mailto:gshell@metronet.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:42 AM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: London calling-- as eagles crap bears for wood fuel On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, Redtailed Hawk wrote: > Get lost. This is my favorite way to see a city. Pick an area and > wander > abit. See how confused you can get. Discovering stuff on your own has a > hidden treasure pleasure to it. And London is so chock(yup, theres that word > again) full of stuff 1) you can never see everything enjoyable and 2)you can > not really pick an area (alright, maybe the Barbazon) without interest. That is the same way I would recommend seeing Tijuana, or just about anyplace. It seems that as soon as you stop looking like a tourist, meaning staying away from the main touristey attractions, everything goes much smoother. You can still act like a tourist of course, just don't look like one. Does the UK have those pot cafes going yet? Seems like I heard a couple had opened but then were closed by the feds. Is this so or is it the local police that are handling the busts? Or have any actually opened? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:03:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: London calling-- as eagles crap bears for wood fuel On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, gSs wrote: > Does the UK have those pot cafes going yet? Seems like I heard a > couple had opened but then were closed by the feds. Is this so or is it > the local police that are handling the busts? Or have any actually opened? I just ran a search and got this result: http://newssearch.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/results.pl?tab=news&scope=news&q=Stockport+cannabis+cafe&x=4&y=6 Basically a guy in Stockport has opened up twice and been closed down twice by the local police (we don't have feds AFAIK). One or two other people have talked about opening but nothing has happened. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:46:17 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: RE: London calling-- as eagles scrap bears for wood fuel On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Larry O'Brien wrote: > I recommend seeing Tijuana from the inside of a full-body sized condom. Or > better yet, through the TV in your living room. Or not at all. Ditto for > Bombay. Tijuana is actually a pretty neat place. It does transition slightly at night, mostly for the tourists, but like other places certain areas should be explored with a bit more foresight than certain other areas. Many places in India fascinate me enough to visit as do places like Singapore, Shanghai, Istanbul, Cairo, Moscow, Eastern Russia, Kabul, just about all of South America for instance and each is definately filled with areas that require more care than other areas. The only thing that has kept me from visiting some of these places is money. You just have to watch where you step. It's like painting inside the house. You extend the drop cloth beyond the painting area in anticipation of what could happen but never forget that no matter how carefully you cover areas with the drop cloth, paint could still end up where you don't want it to end up. But that is not going to stop you from painting the walls, is it? gSs ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #29 *******************************