From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #27 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, January 21 2002 Volume 11 : Number 027 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: the Oils! ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: No Substance ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] RE: the Oils! ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: chalk horses [grutness@surf4nix.com] Vale of the White Horse ["matt sewell" ] Re: abfab ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: abfeg ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Monsoon Wedding ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: abfab [Ken Weingold ] Re: Vale of the White Horse [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Vale of the White Horse ["matt sewell" ] Re: abfeg [dmw ] RE: 1979? ["Cynthia Peterson" ] Re: chalk horses ["Fric Chaud" ] RE: 1979? [glen uber ] Re: Monsoon Wedding ["Rob" ] RHitchcock 24 Sept '89 ["da9ve stovall" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:09:17 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: the Oils! >From: "Brian Huddell" >Subject: RE: the Oils! > >It's been great to see the oils mentioned here recently. I quit paying attention to the Oils years ago, but I've always enjoyed "10,9,8..." and "Places Without A Postcard" -- I've got them both on vinyl. I haven't heard any of their early records ("Bird Noises" and "Head Injuries", right?) -- are they any good? >but sometimes the Species Deceases EP gets lost among the 80s albums I've also got Species Deceases on vinyl, and you're right, it flat out rocks. I've never been a huge fan of Red Sails, though. I thought they got a little too carried away with the studio effects. But I do have a soft spot for the song "Kosciosko" (sp?). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:13:58 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: No Substance >From: theodius > >How 'bout this.... Daniel Lanois produces RH's next album??.....or >was i was dreaming.? I would *love* for that to happen. I think Lanois has a real good feel for guitar players -- f'rinstance, the album he did for Willie Nelson, "Teatro" is one of the best-sounding recordings I've heard in a long time, and one of my favorite Nelson records, too. AFAIK, Lanois has sold his studio in New Orleans -- Kingsway. Anybody know if this is true, and if so, where his studio is now? Lanois's recording of Nelson aren't nearly as good sounding as the recordings of Johnny Cash that Rick Rubin has done recently, though. The sheer "presence" on those records is startling. So I think it'd be interesting to hear Robyn recorded with Rubin. Rubin would be perfect for the Soft Boys, too, I think. But I wouldn't sneeze at another Robyn record recorded with Jon Brion. That was a spot-on recording job. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:38:49 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: the Oils! > I haven't heard any of their early records ("Bird > Noises" and "Head Injuries", right?) -- are they any good? You omit the self-titled debut, rightly so IMHO. I find it unlistenable (this constitutes heresy over on the Powderworks list, but they're not the most objective bunch). "Head Injuries" is okay, crisp sound and comparatively minimalist punky-metal songs, big leap over the debut. "Bird Noises" is another 4-song EP and it has some good bits. It's the first glimpse of the more expansive arrangements on "Place Without a Postcard" and "10,9,8..." > I've never been a huge fan of Red Sails, though. I > thought they got a little too carried away with the studio effects. They'd probably agree with you there. But you're right about Kosciusko, it's a classic. And Jimmy Sharman's Boxers is a powerful near-operatic piece, made more so by the subject matter. I was once asked why they were making such a fuss about kangaroo fights, and I explained patiently (I hope) that Jimmy Sharman's Boxers were aborigines, fighting in a brutal traveling sideshow for the purpose of wagering. That excuses just about any level of drama, as far as I'm concerned. Not that kangaroo fights aren't an appalling idea, I hasten to add for the list marsupiophiles. Ob Robyn: During the Eye tour (at Tipitina's) I asked Robyn if he'd ever noticed Midnight Oil and he said no. Dumb question, the only kind I've ever asked Robyn. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:08:18 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: chalk horses >Since Bath was mentioned, and if you are out in the midlands.....If you >like walking in the country, I loved going to the Vale of the White >Horse. It is 7 miles outside the villiage of Wantage, where there is a >Wantage museum which can give you directions to the Vale. It is >beautiful. It is this hilly region where the Romans and Pre- romans >lived and there is a big chalk horse sketched into the hills by the >ancient peoples and upkept now. When I say big, I mean stonehedge big. >This was my favorite side trip this summer - more than Bath. tish! The Uffington white horse (to which you refer) it many times the size of Stonehenge! Better to say "Avebury big". James (whose desktop features a picture of said horse) np - XTC - English Settlement ;) Next up - Midnight Oil - Earthn & Sun & Moon nf - lessee... January 21st... Fric, care to guess what flag I'd be flying today? :) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:37:15 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Vale of the White Horse As a kid I used to live only a few miles from White Horse Hill. For years it was thought that the horse signified a victory in battle of Alfred over the... Danes..? in 871. Recently it's been found that it's far older, much more likely from the Bronze Age... the nearby hillfort is a fantastic example, with the outer ramparts still intact. Also nearby is Wayland Smithy (hardcore Julian Cope fans will know this is refered to on the fantastically whacked-out Skellington II album), a long barrow with a few small chambers. Legend has it that if you ride to WS, and sleep in the barrow, leaving some coins on the stones, in the morning your horse will have magically been shod. White Horse Hill is a stop on the St Michael's Ley line... I don't go for Ley lines per se, but the St Michael's line is a line going SW-NE, starting in Cornwall and ending in East Anglia, taking in most of the important ancient sites of Southern England (ie. Avebury, Stonehenge, St Michael's Mount, Silbury Hill, Glastonbury Tor et al). It's apparently lucky (but unfortunately frowned upon) to stand in the eye of the horse and turn 3 times, making a wish. Other interpretations of what it might be include a cat and a dragon (it doesn't look necessarily equine). Some not particularly good info, but a good enough picture here: http://www.tourist-information-uk.com/white-horse.htm Ancient sites in these islands obviously a pet subject...! Matt >From: Eleanore Adams >Reply-To: Eleanore Adams >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: London calling-- as eagles crap on bears in the woods >Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:21:50 -0800 > >I have not been following this thread carefully, so forgive me if >someone already mentioned this..... > >Since Bath was mentioned, and if you are out in the midlands.....If >you >like walking in the country, I loved going to the Vale of the White >Horse. It is 7 miles outside the villiage of Wantage, where there is >a >Wantage museum which can give you directions to the Vale. It is >beautiful. It is this hilly region where the Romans and Pre- romans >lived and there is a big chalk horse sketched into the hills by the >ancient peoples and upkept now. When I say big, I mean stonehedge >big. >This was my favorite side trip this summer - more than Bath. > >eleanore > >On Saturday, January 19, 2002, at 12:52 PM, Redtailed Hawk wrote: > >>Chas: >>>3. sir john soan's museum in lincoln inn's fields [i think that is >>>what the >>>area is called] >> >>Well--heres's my opinionated advice;-) >> >>The Sir John Soan's house is close to the Brit Museum and Russell >>Sq., >>and is, to my mind, wacky fun. >>I love small museums, they have a distinctive sensibility you can >>pick >>up in a full but short visit. >> >>I like climbing to the very top(the outside part) of St Paul's >>cathedreal. Its a slightly daunting, rickety climb, which seems to >>increase my enjoyment of the view. Its one thing to whiz up high in >>an >>elavator, its a whole nother thing to risk agrapobia and heart >>failure >>to win your view. I also like going to service there, you get to >>sit up >>in the choir stalls under the mosaics. Doing a tour of the >>surronding >>Wren's churches can also be neat. >> >>If you have the time, I've always loved Hampton Court Palace. Its >>not >>too far away. Same with Syon House, an Addams brothers masterpiece >>and >>one of the great great homes of England. Whistle Coward's "Stately >>Homes of England" as you walk through. Morris's Red House is also >>not >>too far out of town. >> >>Bath is worth the trip. >> >>Going to the theater is almost always worth the trip. >> >>Some Brit can be more up-to-date about this than me, but the >>bookstores >>near Charring Cross used to be fun. >> >>Get lost. This is my favorite way to see a city. Pick an area and >>wander abit. See how confused you can get. Discovering stuff on >>your >>own has a hidden treasure pleasure to it. And London is so >>chock(yup, >>theres that word again) full of stuff 1) you can never see >>everything >>enjoyable and 2)you can not really pick an area (alright, maybe the >>Barbazon) without interest. Better to see a small part happily, >>without >>fatigue or boredom and guided only by your own curiosity, than >>exhausting yourself seeing so much its just jet-lag hell. >> >>Get lost in the V&A. >> >>If you like palatial Deco The Savoy is worth a gander. >> >>And keep your wife happy. Stop by Liberty's and buy her a >>splendiferous >>scarf.:-) >> >>----------------------------------------- >> >>Mike Wells: >>>Off to see my beloved Bears beat the high holies out of Kay's >>>Eagles >>>tomorrow. >> >>Luckily for you, while I love eagles, especially golden ones, I'm >>fairly indifferent to football and the mishapened species reffered >>to >>as the Iggles. Therefore I do not need to call you out. At least >>not >>this time. But you have been warned, sir. >> >>----------------------------------- >> >>Kay--it's snowing, why can't I go home to play yet. Phooey. >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >>http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:38:37 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: abfab Christopher Gross wrote: > > > [Thinks: has there been a stage show?]. > > Yes! Not that I ever saw it myself. It had the delightfully mad Ken Campbell in it (as had parts of the radio series, but I think Ken had a bigger part in the stage show). A promotional event was to throw a large cardboard whale off Tower Bridge. Adams commented that the whale floated for longer than the show did. Long ago, my brother gave me a year's membership of ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha, the UK H2G2 fan club. It was quite the dullest thing I've ever seen, but at least I've still got my huge "Don't Panic" bath towel. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:46:26 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: abfeg dmw wrote: > > On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > > It's not quite exactly as it went out on air -- it doesn't have the > > original name for "Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings" (Paul Neil Milne > > Johnstone) that went out on air, and had to be changed after a > > threatened lawsuit. > > er, wha? this seems maybe to be a pond-challenged joke. care to help? Sigh. It's a H2G2 thing. According to the Guide, the worst poetry in the galaxy was by an earth poet. In the first transmission of the radio series, the poet was named Paul Neil Milne Johnstone -- who was someone that Adams knew from university, and Mr Johnstone was not happy. In later transmissions and media, the worst poet was named Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings, to avoid legal troubles. Stewart (who, sad to say, can recite nearly all of the original series verbatim.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:51:12 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Monsoon Wedding Go see. Brilliant. Screw all this Tolkien nonsense, and see something less bladder-taxing. Going to have to see it again, as a tender moment was spoiled by some insensitive fuckers talking one-uppish trivia loudly behind us. Bastards. Stewart (wondering what marigolds taste like) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:18:41 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: abfab Stewart C. Russell wrote: >Long ago, my brother gave me a year's membership of ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha, >the UK H2G2 fan club. It was quite the dullest thing I've ever seen, but >at least I've still got my huge "Don't Panic" bath towel. > Cool! I'm actually currently reading Don't Panic. Very interesting. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:38:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Vale of the White Horse On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, matt sewell wrote: > As a kid I used to live only a few miles from White Horse Hill. For years > it was thought that the horse signified a victory in battle of Alfred > over the... Danes..? in 871. Recently it's been found that it's far > older, much more likely from the Bronze Age... the nearby hillfort is a > fantastic example, with the outer ramparts still intact. Also nearby is > Wayland Smithy (hardcore Julian Cope fans will know this is refered to on > the fantastically whacked-out Skellington II album), a long barrow with a > few small chambers. I have always thought that the Smithy would make an ideal destination for one of those open-air Hitchcock outings. So, Ed, it's a quick tour round the London museums*, art galleries and shops, then across to Oxford, Uffington, Avebury, Bath, Stonehenge, down to the Isle of Wight, back across to Brighton, up to the Long Man at Wilmington, couple of days on the South Downs. You could be home easily by 4th July... > >This was my favorite side trip this summer - more than Bath. > >eleanore Hmph! You should have claimed the _free M R Godwin pint_ which is currently on offer to all visitors to Aquae Sulis. - - Mike Godwin * Don't forget the British museum. Go now while Elgin Marbles last ... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:56:34 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Vale of the White Horse I think Wayland Smithy would be a pretty good place for an outdoor Hitchcock, but for the same sort of vibe, my money's on West Kennett Long Barrow - within sight of Silbury Hill and with enough room to stand up for quite a few people (somewhere to go if it rained!). A friend of mine slept in there once, right in the place of one of the bodies... he said he had some very strange dreams... Also Michael, you left the whole of Cornwall off of Ed's itinery... surely unmissable! Good to have you back MrG! Matt >From: Michael R Godwin >Reply-To: Michael R Godwin >To: fegmaniax >Subject: Re: Vale of the White Horse >Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:38:18 +0000 (GMT) > >On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, matt sewell wrote: > > As a kid I used to live only a few miles from White Horse Hill. For years > > it was thought that the horse signified a victory in battle of Alfred > > over the... Danes..? in 871. Recently it's been found that it's far > > older, much more likely from the Bronze Age... the nearby hillfort is a > > fantastic example, with the outer ramparts still intact. Also nearby is > > Wayland Smithy (hardcore Julian Cope fans will know this is refered to on > > the fantastically whacked-out Skellington II album), a long barrow with a > > few small chambers. > >I have always thought that the Smithy would make an ideal destination for >one of those open-air Hitchcock outings. > >So, Ed, it's a quick tour round the London museums*, art galleries and >shops, then across to Oxford, Uffington, Avebury, Bath, Stonehenge, down >to the Isle of Wight, back across to Brighton, up to the Long Man at >Wilmington, couple of days on the South Downs. You could be home easily by >4th July... > > > >This was my favorite side trip this summer - more than Bath. > >eleanore > >Hmph! You should have claimed the _free M R Godwin pint_ which is >currently on offer to all visitors to Aquae Sulis. > > >- Mike Godwin > >* Don't forget the British museum. Go now while Elgin Marbles last ... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:55:05 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: abfeg On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > er, wha? this seems maybe to be a pond-challenged joke. care to help? > > Sigh. It's a H2G2 thing. > > According to the Guide, the worst poetry in the galaxy was by an earth > poet. In the first transmission of the radio series, the poet was named > Paul Neil Milne Johnstone -- who was someone that Adams knew from > university, and Mr Johnstone was not happy. In later transmissions and > media, the worst poet was named Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings, to avoid > legal troubles. thanks. got the ref, but not why it would garner a lawsuit -- was thinking PNMJ might be some british poetry-related entity of which i was unaware. which i guess is the case, but i was thinking more along the lines of a publisher. > Stewart > (who, sad to say, can recite nearly all of the original series > verbatim.) as i said to someone yesterday, "you cannot go. you must have a good time. turn up the music!" - -- d. - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:57:37 -0800 From: "Cynthia Peterson" Subject: RE: 1979? Thanks Eddie! I'd just calculated that May 31 was on a Thursday in these years: 1979, 1984, and 1990. Y'all realized this was my birthday, right? For that reason alone, I'd love to snag the poster...but $10 shipping seems a little steep. (Who's Mr. Blint?) Cynthia p.s. Coincidentally, 1990 was also the year I "discovered" Robyn. If only that had happened in 1979, I'd certainly be a different person today! - -----Original Message----- From: Voodoo Ergonomics [mailto:etews@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 1:04 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: 1979? 5/31/90. should've done a for "rohnert park". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:02:17 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: chalk horses On 21 Jan 2002, at 17:08, grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > nf - lessee... January 21st... Fric, care to guess what flag I'd be > flying today? :) The Tricolore, unless you are a Royalist sympathiser -- but we know what happens to them. Also possible, the municipal flag of Wellington? - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:29:07 -0700 From: glen uber Subject: RE: 1979? Cynthia Peterson wrote: >(Who's Mr. Blint?) He's the man upstairs with the hole. (At least 2 people on the list will get this.) Cheers! - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:55:11 -0000 From: "Rob" Subject: Re: Monsoon Wedding On 21 Jan 2002 at 10:51, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Stewart > (wondering what marigolds taste like) I always assumed the pink ones were raspberry, the yellow ones lemon and the black industrial ones blackcurrant - but aren't they a bit chewy? Or am I thinking of the wrong sort of marigolds? - -- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:38:29 -0800 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RHitchcock 24 Sept '89 Hi all, A couple days ago while making archival SHN backups of some live CD-Rs, I extracted and listened to the show listed below. The disc I received in trade sometime last year (from whom, I have no memory) had a few glitches - track breaks click-y and with silent gaps, and a drop-out during "Shelter From the Storm" - and I spent a few hours cleaning up those glitches. The result sounds A-OK, and is much more enjoyable to listen to, but I was wondering if anyone here knows of or has either the master recording or a lower-gen, non-glitchy CD-R copy that might be even more of an improvement. If so, I'd be glad to re-master the set and offer it up for trade, or else offer up my own cleaned up version for trade as well. Robyn Hitchcock - T.T. the Bears - Sunday, September 24, 1989 1 Sometimes I Wish I Was a Pretty Girl 2 Cynthia Mask 3 Glass 4 I Got the Hots 5 Raining Twilight Coast 6 Sandras Having Her Brain out 7 Beautiful Girl 8 The Bones in the Ground 9 Winter Love 10 Shelter From the Storm 11 Queen Elvis 12 Old Pervert 13 The Ghost In You 14 The Band Faust 15 Draft Morning 16 Im Set Free 17 Strawberry Fields Forever 18 Youre an Angel cheers, da9ve ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #27 *******************************