From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #21 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, January 16 2002 Volume 11 : Number 021 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Spoiler RT and sex, Sex, SEX(alright-gender) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffr] Re: Spoiler RT and sex, Sex, SEX(alright-gender) [Capuchin ] Re: That Stephenson thing [Capuchin ] reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: r e s p e c t ["Larry O'Brien" ] Brighton Gig [Yahoo! Clubs: Robyn Hitchcock] ["n'woj" ] Re: r e s p e c t [The Great Quail ] Re: That Stephenson thing [Eleanore Adams ] to viv [Eleanore Adams ] A Comedy of Sexist Manners ["Redtailed Hawk" ] RE: A Comedy of Sexist Manners ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Father Ted [Tom Clark ] Art imitates life? [glen uber ] Re: Father Ted [gSs ] RE: Father Ted ["Matt Browne" ] Re: Father Ted ["Rob" ] Re: Father Ted ["Rob" ] hell hath no fury ["Walker, Charles" ] Re: hell hath no fury ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: hell hath no fury ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: hell hath no fury [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: That Shaolin Soccer thing [steve ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:43:30 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: Spoiler RT and sex, Sex, SEX(alright-gender) As this is a Robyn Hitchcock list, let me quickly summarize, in the words of the man himself, the last few days' worth of discussion on this issue: Yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip.... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:27:17 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Spoiler RT and sex, Sex, SEX(alright-gender) On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Capuchin wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Redtailed Hawk wrote: > > but its original and I have learned abit bout not giving ideas away on > > the Net > > What the fuck does this mean? > Are you saying that personal credit is more important than sharing > knowledge and understanding with the world? > That seems extremely selfish and anti-social to me. Vivien and I just discussed this message and she explained something to me that I hadn't yet considered (if anyone is interested and asks, I'll explain publicly or privately as the asker wishes). I think I do need to let Kay know that my aggression was an expression of anger and frustration with a notion that I feel is leading society into an abyss and certainly not an expression of anger or disgust with Kay as a person. I'll be writing to her off-list on this topic with a sincere apology for any such interpretation. As for the topic itself and the last line of that post: > "the Net" is EXACTLY where you should be giving your ideas away. You're > certainly getting plenty FROM it. It is a fundamental failing of our system that there exists a perceived dichotomy between the survival or comfort of creative persons and the free flow of ideas and expressions. If we must live with this kind of a zero-sum winner-take-all division, I'm going to side with the free flow of ideas because I think that lifts up the greatest percentage of people and advances society as a whole (perhaps to a point where such a dichotomy no longer exists and creators can be rewarded and expressions can still flow freely). Our society's failure to adequately reward creating works of art or intellect will not fully halt the creation of such work, but certainly the attempt to treat information as property will halt the free flow of ideas and stifle future ideas. Our first step, as individuals and as a society, is to open our ideas and our work to the public so that new creation and expression can be made and shared freely and perhaps a new society can be built where creation and sharing are both rewarded. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:59:07 -0600 From: steve Subject: That Stephenson thing Stephenson said bad things about MacOS and should therefore be banned. However, he may redeem himself by saying nice things about MacOS X. We saw the French costume drama martial arts werewolf secret society romance Brotherhood Of The Wolf this weekend. Quite fun in it's own way, and evidently the second biggest domestic film in France last year, after Amelie. Showing with BOTW was a trailer for Zu Warriors (original title The Legend Of Zu), Tsui Hark's "sequel" to Zu: Warriors Of The Magic Mountain. The Zu films are full blown fantasy, far more out there than Iron Monkey, and the 1983 original is often credited with starting the whole HK fantasy sub-genre. http://www.stomptokyo.com/movies/z/zu-warriors-magic-mtn.html http://www.brigittelin.com/ZuWarriors.htm Unlike the first film, the vast majority of The Legend Of Zu takes place in Zu, the realm of the ascended masters. King Sky, Red, Enigma and the other good guys must prevent the evil Insomnia from obtaining the power of the Blood Cave and using it to destroy the realms of earth and sky. You get the idea. http://www.orientalfilms.co.uk/imagegallery/legendofzu/legend_of_zu_picture_gallery. htm Here's a link to a trailer (windows media) - http://perso.wanadoo.fr/hk.cinemagic/legendofzu.asf After the movie, we went up to Boxsterville to check out the new iMac. It's cool, and even more impressive in the polycarbonate, and comes with a Kensington anti-theft slot. - - Steve __________ "The logic of missile defense is to make the stakes of power projection compatible with the risks of power projection," says Keith B. Payne, a deterrence theory expert and an ardent supporter of missile defense. - Bill Keler, NYT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:41:14 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: That Stephenson thing On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, steve wrote: > Stephenson said bad things about MacOS and should therefore be banned. > However, he may redeem himself by saying nice things about MacOS X. I just remember him referring to it as (something like) "a hermetically sealed motor scooter" (compared to the clunky and unreliable station wagon of Windows and the free Sherman tank of Linux or *BSD where the salesmen will come over to your house and teach you to drive and fix it in your driveway if it ever breaks down or needs a fancy new turret). And I must say that I'm with him when it comes to user interfaces. A command line sure does have a whole lot more flexibility (and, hence, power) than any GUI can provide. I really don't see the problem with teaching people a few commands and how to read simple documentation (like - --help output or man pages) for a refresher now and then. (If only man pages weren't primarily written for programmers...) J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:12:39 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: reap "Professor" Stanley Unwin: http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/low/english/entertainment/tv_and_radio/newsid_1759000/1759640.stm Eloquently described by the BBC news reader last night as: "Stanley Unwin: to the English Language what the pretzel is to the White House." Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:23:10 -0500 From: "Larry O'Brien" Subject: RE: r e s p e c t Heh heh. He said "chock". Heh heh. - -----Original Message----- From: anansi [mailto:anansi@stormgreen.com] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 7:48 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: r e s p e c t Your closing is the only respectful part of your response. Mine was chock full of the benefit of the doubt, but you're replying to me as though I'd wrapped a "HOMOPHOBE" bumper sticker around your head. Relax yourself, please. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:49:47 -0500 From: "n'woj" Subject: Brighton Gig [Yahoo! Clubs: Robyn Hitchcock] >Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:40:23 PST >To: woj@smoe.org >From: robsinden >Reply-To: yahoo-dev-null@yahoo-inc.com >Subject: Re: Brighton Gig [Yahoo! Clubs: Robyn Hitchcock] > >Brighton Gig is at The Pressure Point, Richmond Place Brighton. I think it starts at 8, and around town it is billed as "with very special friends". > >Tickets cost #7.00 and you can get them by calling 01273 207136. > >I'm quite fortunate 'cos I live opposite the venue. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:26:56 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: r e s p e c t You are right, Drew, the anger in my post to you was misdirected, and I should have calmed down before I replied. You are generally not one to hook up a PC-meter; I was just getting more and more irate. I received a few off-list pieces of email that really wound me up and you bore the brunt. It is frustrating, you know? I spent a lot of time trying to calmly refute Viv's point, then Jeme's contentions. And the only comments they seemed to have elicited were condemnations for using a stereotype that, had I been in actual conversation with my various gay/lesbian friends, would have been perfectly acceptable and understood. I suppose what touched my nerve about your post was the phrase, "creeped me out." It implies that I am, or at least can be, creepy, which, to me, implies a lot of very, very negative things, especially in a sexual context. I hope you understand, and accept my apology, which is not half-hearted. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:29:21 -0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: That Stephenson thing Has anyone seen Shaolin Soccer yet? I just ordered it on line from a HK guy..... elenaore On Monday, January 14, 2002, at 10:59 PM, steve wrote: > Stephenson said bad things about MacOS and should therefore be banned. > However, he may redeem himself by saying nice things about MacOS X. > > > > We saw the French costume drama martial arts werewolf secret society > romance Brotherhood Of The Wolf this weekend. Quite fun in it's own > way, and evidently the second biggest domestic film in France last > year, after Amelie. > > Showing with BOTW was a trailer for Zu Warriors (original title The > Legend Of Zu), Tsui Hark's "sequel" to Zu: Warriors Of The Magic > Mountain. The Zu films are full blown fantasy, far more out there than > Iron Monkey, and the 1983 original is often credited with starting the > whole HK fantasy sub-genre. > > http://www.stomptokyo.com/movies/z/zu-warriors-magic-mtn.html > > http://www.brigittelin.com/ZuWarriors.htm > > Unlike the first film, the vast majority of The Legend Of Zu takes > place in Zu, the realm of the ascended masters. King Sky, Red, Enigma > and the other good guys must prevent the evil Insomnia from obtaining > the power of the Blood Cave and using it to destroy the realms of earth > and sky. You get the idea. > > http://www.orientalfilms.co.uk/imagegallery/legendofzu/legend_of_zu_picture_gallery. > htm > > Here's a link to a trailer (windows media) - > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/hk.cinemagic/legendofzu.asf > > > > After the movie, we went up to Boxsterville to check out the new iMac. > It's cool, and even more impressive in the polycarbonate, and comes > with a Kensington anti-theft slot. > > > > - Steve > > > __________ > "The logic of missile defense is to make the stakes of power projection > compatible with the risks of power projection," says Keith B. Payne, a > deterrence theory expert and an ardent supporter of missile defense. - > Bill Keler, NYT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:35:54 -0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: to viv Hey Viv, How is school going?? eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:56:47 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: A Comedy of Sexist Manners James wrote: >a couple of years ago I opened a door for a woman who responded with >"how >dare you open a door for me just because I'm a woman!" >I retorted "how dare you presume I wouldn't do this for a man!" James, you are a prince among humans. I love good manners. I love people showing respect and concern for each other. Even when it leads to highly comic results ... For good and ill, my dad is one of the last of the old-fashioned gentlemen. He was born in 1913. As a boy he was taught, when with a woman, to walk on the outside of the street. The male did this because streets were pretty mucky back then(there were still horse-drawn wagons around) and vechicles often splashed the person on the outer edge of the pavement. My father is quite gallent/obnoxious. He's got the fastest lighter at any cocktail party, if you go out to dinner with him he is highly put out if a female dosn't order thru him(my daughters like "Mom, is he nuts?" "Yes, but he means well" is my response)(the world changes so fast, I wonder how good we'll be at adapting)and--always, always let him walk on the outside of the sidewalk. Cause if you don't--- He'll knock you down getting there. - ----------------------------- Quail on Stephenson: >I agree, and I mention that I won't defend him totally, because I do >think his characterizations are a bit sexist. And Anne Rice's >characterizations of men are ludicrous, too. God thats funny and true. A person's sexism/bad writing is its own reward and just makes them look silly in places. And thank you for rethinking the hellish bulldyke thing. It might just be the dif tween Philly and NY. The lesbians I know around here(notice I said - --"that I know around here";-) tend to be very earnest vegan Quakers -- who never, at least in my hearing, use that term. Funny, the worse man-hater Ive ever known was straight, very feminine, mean as hell and astonishingly manipulating of men thru her femininity. Just the sort of female sexist males like;-) Oy! Kay _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:05:23 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: A Comedy of Sexist Manners James wrote: >a couple of years ago I opened a door for a woman who responded with >"how >dare you open a door for me just because I'm a woman!" >I retorted "how dare you presume I wouldn't do this for a man!" James, you rock. Incidentally, I just held a door open for a man who was coming in to my office suite. I tend to do this for men I do not know more often than ones I do know, as a deferential show of respect (most often, these folks are firm clients, so a little deferential respect never hurts). I have also taught my son, who is almost 6, to hold open doors -- without regard to gender. Just seems like good manners to me (plus, you parents out there know how satisfying it is when your child does something thoughtful, in public, for a stranger, and they turn on you with the "what a well-raised child!" expression. At least, it help to offset the other times when strangers give you the "why can't you control your own child, you negligent monster?" stare). ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. 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My officemate turned me on to it a few weeks ago and I think it's pretty hilarious. Can any UK fegs shed some light on it, i.e., how long it ran, how many episodes, etc...? Feck! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:46:20 -0800 From: glen uber Subject: Art imitates life? - -- Cheers! - -g- - ------------------ Glen Uber -+- uberg (at) sonic dot net ------------------ "You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer." - --Frank Zappa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:51:19 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Father Ted The Father Ted series is pretty good, though another one we now get to see on KERA in Dallas, which claims to show show more Britsh Comedy than the British, called Coupling is much funnier. Father Ted's assistant priest or whatever, the dim-wit who does'nt really believe all that gibberish in the bible, plays Thermo(mal)-Man in another series that is not worth watching in my opinion. I forget the name of the series as when it comes on at about 11pm I usually go water the plants or feed the cats. I don't know the number of episodes or how long it ran, but overall it is worth watching. While I am not Welsh or a Dane, I have become quit addicted to those limey laugh alots and wish KERA showed more, though they do run about 6 hours of them on Saturday night starting at 8pm and about 4 hours of them on Sunday night starting at 10. We see shows like Waiting for God, Mulberry(one of my favorites), Are you being Served, Open all hours(another one of my favorites), Fools and horses,(another one of my favorites), one foot in the grave, black adder, fawlty towers, yes minister, may to december, red-dwarf, brittas empire, coupling and many others, plus of course the doctor who's which start at about 11:45 on Friday night and run for a couple hours. Here is a question for you experts. There was a series from the late 80's or early 90's that was about a middle class man who was the captain of a cricket team. His life was the cricket team and the maintenance of their field. His best friend and a teammate was a middle aged hippie who was married to another middle aged hippie.What was the name of this show? We saw it in Dallas for about 3 months a couple years ago, and I have even asked the program director at kera directly when I call in a pledge, but they act like the show never existed. gSs On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Tom Clark wrote: > Anybody out there familiar with the show "Father Ted"? My officemate turned > me on to it a few weeks ago and I think it's pretty hilarious. Can any UK > fegs shed some light on it, i.e., how long it ran, how many episodes, > etc...? > > Feck! > -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:19:40 -0000 From: "Matt Browne" Subject: RE: Father Ted Ah, Father Ted... I think this is probably the best British comedy series of the 90s. Just fantastic! Here's the official web page, but it doesn't seem to say much: http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/comedy/microsites/F/fatherted/inde x.html It ended after just twenty-four episodes (three series) and a Christmas special. I think it ran from 1995 to 1998. Sadly, the actor who played Ted, Dermot Morgan, died of a heard attack. From what I remember, it happened at the wrap party for the third and final series. Shame. Anyway, if you've got a multi-region player, the DVDs of the series are well worth having! - -- Matt Browne > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Tom Clark > Sent: 15 January 2002 19:42 > To: Massacre On Cable > Subject: Father Ted > > > Anybody out there familiar with the show "Father Ted"? My > officemate turned me on to it a few weeks ago and I think > it's pretty hilarious. Can any UK fegs shed some light on > it, i.e., how long it ran, how many episodes, etc...? > > Feck! > -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:18:03 -0000 From: "Rob" Subject: Re: Father Ted On 15 Jan 2002 at 11:42, Tom Clark wrote: > Anybody out there familiar with the show "Father Ted"? My officemate turned > me on to it a few weeks ago and I think it's pretty hilarious. Can any UK > fegs shed some light on it, i.e., how long it ran, how many episodes, > etc...? > > Feck! > -tc 3 series, a total of 24 episodes plus an xmas special. Would have been more but for Dermot Morgan's untimely death at age 45 just after the end of filming series 3. Series 1 and 2 are available on dvd. A good reason to have a dvd player capable of playing region 2 dvd's? More tea, father? - -- Rob PS Just before sending this I notice gSs refer to Coupling. This is the best British comedy in years, IMHO. Have just been watching the first series on dvd, can't wait for the second series to be released on dvd - it was even better than the first. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:29:34 -0000 From: "Rob" Subject: Re: Father Ted On 15 Jan 2002 at 14:51, gSs wrote: > [snip] > Here is a question for you experts. > > There was a series from the late 80's or early 90's that was about a > middle class man who was the captain of a cricket team. His life was the > cricket team and the maintenance of their field. His best friend and a > teammate was a middle aged hippie who was married to another middle aged > hippie.What was the name of this show? We saw it in Dallas for about 3 > months a couple years ago, and I have even asked the program director at > kera directly when I call in a pledge, but they act like the show never > existed. > > gSs A little searching reveals a program called Outside Edge. It can't have made much of an impact, but it has quite a strong cast (eg Timothy Spall). For all your Britcom needs try http://www.phill.co.uk/index.html over 700 series listed (most absolute rubbish, btw). - -- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:40:45 -0800 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: hell hath no fury Is it even a remote possibility that both sexes are fallible humans, but men constitute a greater percentage of wrong-doing? chas in LA replies: you ever been the object of the wrath of a woman? those scales start to balance out pretty quickly and a guy like ted bundy can begin to look like a god drinking buddy. http//:www.theweeklywalker.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:49:18 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: hell hath no fury >From: "Walker, Charles" >a guy like ted bundy can >begin to look like a god drinking buddy. LOL, do you mean god comma drinking buddy or good drinking buddy? Hope you mean the latter, Max _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:54:56 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: hell hath no fury At 06:49 PM 1/15/2002 -0500, Maximilian Lang wrote: >>From: "Walker, Charles" >>a guy like ted bundy can >>begin to look like a god drinking buddy. > >LOL, do you mean god comma drinking buddy or good drinking buddy? Mmmmmmmmmmmmm, sacrilicious. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:56:36 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: hell hath no fury On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Maximilian Lang wrote: > >From: "Walker, Charles" > >a guy like ted bundy can > >begin to look like a god drinking buddy. > > LOL, do you mean god comma drinking buddy or good drinking buddy? Dude's talkin' 'bout the eucharist - ain't y'all down wit' X-Master J and his dope band, The Transubstantiations? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::pushing the pencil not the envelope:: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:13:38 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: That Shaolin Soccer thing On Tuesday, January 15, 2002, at 10:29 AM, Eleanore Adams wrote: > Has anyone seen Shaolin Soccer yet? I just ordered it on line from a HK > guy..... I've heard that it might get a U.S. theatrical release, but with a title change to something like Kung Fu Soccer. All the comments on it have been positive. Try these for Hk films - www.pokerindustries.com www.hkflix.com - - Steve __________ The United States is exploring the development of a 'space-bomber' which could destroy targets on the other side of the world within 30 minutes. - Ed Vulliamy, The Observer ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #21 *******************************