From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #14 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, January 10 2002 Volume 11 : Number 014 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Well! Looks like we got us a reader! [glen uber ] RE: Well! Looks like we got us a reader! ["Larry O'Brien" ] Re: God's will be done... [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #10 ["The Rooneys" ] Re: Dancing about attributions [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: god's will, excludes me [gSs ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #10 [Viv Lyon ] "Psycho Blues" News [bayard ] Re: What are you Reading? [The Great Quail ] Re: RIP: Juan Garcia Esquivel (1918-2002) [Tom Clark ] Re: So What's Everybody Reading? ["victorian squid" ] Re: God's will be done... ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: iMac, uMac, we all Mac? (NeXt, cube, next desperate marketing ploy) ["Fric Chaud" ] Re: What are you Reading? ["Fric Chaud" ] hmm [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: who has the oldest computer? ["Fric Chaud" ] Re: So What's Everybody Reading? [Terrence Marks ] re: Imac, Umac, we all Mac? ["Fric Chaud" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:44:55 -0800 From: glen uber Subject: Well! Looks like we got us a reader! I usually keep four or five books going at a time. Right now, I'm reading Richard Brautigan's _In Watermelon Sugar_, _Hey, Hey, We're The Monkees_, by Harold Bronson, _The Village Pub_, by Roger Protz and Homer Sykes, and _The Joy of Pi_ by David Platner. All rather fluffy titles compared with a lot of what youse guys are reading. I just picked up _Fast Food Nation_ and will probably start reading that as soon as I finish one of the others. I also got the _Complete Adventures of Curious George_ and _100 Years of the Motorcycle_ for Xmas. They currently occupy space on my coffee table and I thumb through both of them every chance I get. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Work is the curse of the drinking class." - --Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:51:53 -0500 From: "Larry O'Brien" Subject: RE: Well! Looks like we got us a reader! Curios George is excellent. HA Rey also published a basic book of basic astronomy that I highly recommend called The Stars -- A New Way to See Them. Fast Food Nation looks really good. You also have to read the "Big Book" series from Paradox Press. History and trivia stuff done in comic art from some of the best artists. I have "The Big Book of Urban Legends", "Big Book of Conspiracies", and "Big Book of Weirdos" (Edgar Allen Poe, Nikola Tesla, et al). Now THAT'S bathroom reading! - -----Original Message----- From: glen uber [mailto:uberg@sonic.net] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:45 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Well! Looks like we got us a reader! I usually keep four or five books going at a time. Right now, I'm reading Richard Brautigan's _In Watermelon Sugar_, _Hey, Hey, We're The Monkees_, by Harold Bronson, _The Village Pub_, by Roger Protz and Homer Sykes, and _The Joy of Pi_ by David Platner. All rather fluffy titles compared with a lot of what youse guys are reading. I just picked up _Fast Food Nation_ and will probably start reading that as soon as I finish one of the others. I also got the _Complete Adventures of Curious George_ and _100 Years of the Motorcycle_ for Xmas. They currently occupy space on my coffee table and I thumb through both of them every chance I get. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Work is the curse of the drinking class." - --Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:23:16 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #13 >I found an awful lot to like in _the diamond age_ but someone already >troubled by his treatment of female characters might want to be >forewarned >that, although the novel has a very plucky female >protagonist, halfway >through it there is a surpassingly nasty, >hallucinatory scene of sexual >violence. I actually didn't know what scene you were referring to until Viv clued me in. I guess that means I didn't find it offensive. The whole scenario was so bizarre that I just accepted the events without questioning them. I liked "The Diamond Age" though there were some aspects to Stephenson's world that I couldn't really figure out, possibly because they weren't explained properly or I wasn't reading closely enough. The ending was absurd, shambolic, and incredibly anti-climactic. My friend Bryan pointed out how Asian characters are treated very sympathetically through the rest of the book, but at the end, they're just maniacal hordes trying to destroy the heroic white people. Judge Fang and his posse were my favorite characters, and it's too bad they dropped out of the picture about halfway through. Re. Iain Banks, I used to like him a lot but I've gone off him. His style annoys me and the plots in his SF books don't make sense half the time - Excession was the last straw for me, it was total gobbledy-gook. The Wasp Factory seems to have set a standard for him, as he frequently goes the extra mile to shock or pull a gross-out. I still like The Wasp Factory, though - beneath all the gross-out stuff, there's some interesting and cogent commentary on gender roles, believe it or not. n., who would like a Primer of her own _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:49:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: God's will be done... "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" wrote: > A friend of mine has a child with cerebral palsy. A man once came up > to them in Covent Garden, pointed at Phoebe and said - "Do you know > what that is? That's God's way of telling you not to have any more > children." I hope she Rochambeaud him good, preferreably with a crowbar. what an incredibly evil thing to say, especialy in range where the child can obviously hear him. [this concludes the most obvious post in fegmaniax history. but jesus, what a motherfucker...] ===== "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy . Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:01:16 -0700 From: "The Rooneys" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #10 Viv spat: > Stephenson is a misogynist, whether he knows it or > not. Of the two main female characters in the book, one is notable only > for hair color, body parts, manners and her effect on Lawrence Waterhouse > (Mary Smith), and the other is a mysterious adventurer, initially presumed > to be a lesbian because of her strength and independence, who turns out to > be nothing more than a frail to be rescued and a semen receptacle (Amy > Shaftoe). I could go on, but I won't. Misogynist is far too strong a word to be tossed around lightly. Perhaps you meant misogamist or sexist. I returned the book to the library so I can't double check my foggy memories, but I thought the strongest character in the book was the secretary/asssistant, no matter how she may have been described. I agree that Amy Shaftoe had great potential but basically disintegrated over the course of the book.... The men of those times treated women as frails, objects and receptacles (too many still do today); and you are fooling yourself if you think that most men thought Rosie the Riviter was straight. I thought the blatant sexist perspective was very in keeping with the WWII time period. The first six letters that the Luftwaffe sent to the deciphering telegraph operator that instructed them on how to set the machine were called "females" by Bletchly Park, because they said the same thing twice and gave away the whole secret. History knows that the Nazi codes could have been cracked earlier (and possibly without the HMS Bulldog accidentally salvaging biagram tables off Lemp's U-boat) if the Brits had not dismissed the ideas of a scientist who speculated correctly as to German refinements to the "engima" machine just because she was female. - - Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:55:14 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Dancing about attributions Russ Reynolds wrote: > my 2 cents or so...Elvis Costello probably said it first. maybe because that's who i've almost always heard said it, but to me it sounds more like something Steve Martin would say than any of the others. > G.uber: > > "The last time I paid that much for a beer, I got to lick it off a > > naked breast." > > - --Me, 1-3-02, after paying $4.30 for a pint of IPA at a local > > restaurant > > Either you don't go to many Major League Baseball games or the ones > you DO go to are a lot more entertaining than the ones I go to. maybe Sabean will acquire a 4th major league quality player one of these days. he and Schott-Hoffman really deserve one another. and montreal deserves them both. ===== "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy . Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:15:20 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: god's will, excludes me jbranscombe@compuserve.com wrote: > A friend of mine has a child with cerebral palsy. A man once came up > to them in Covent Garden, pointed at Phoebe and said - "Do you know > what that is? That's God's way of telling you not to have any more > children." That's when you say something like, "your mother must be deaf", and then immediately take a defensive position. But couldn't that also be our way of telling god that we don't need god anymore. Maybe god will get the hint. Unless of course god is deaf and blind? We could sell god on ebay or ubid. Someone will buy it. Another deaf, dumb, blind god for sale. Cheap. Make offer, please and hurry. All sales final, no refunds or returns. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:26:13 -0800 (PST) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #10 On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, The Rooneys wrote: > Viv spat: I'm sorry- did I personally insult you with my post? And if I didn't, then why are you personally insulting me? > Misogynist is far too strong a word to be tossed around lightly. Perhaps > you meant misogamist or sexist. Your personal rating system for the strength of various words is irrelevant, unless you can provide some reason why the word I chose is inappropriate. I used the word I meant to use. Stephenson displays a tendency to view women as non-rational furies, enigmas, or angels. Similar tendencies to de-humanize women are often called misogyny, whether the de-humaniztion is favorable or disfavorable. I realize that the literal translation of misogyny is "hatred of women," but there is a historical gloss of the word that supports my use of it. > I returned the book to the library so I can't double check my foggy > memories, but I thought the strongest character in the book was the > secretary/asssistant, no matter how she may have been described. There is no prominent female secretary/assistant character in Cryptonomicon. Perhaps you're thinking of a different book. > The men of those times treated women as frails, objects and receptacles (too > many still do today); and you are fooling yourself if you think that most > men thought Rosie the Riviter was straight. I thought the blatant sexist > perspective was very in keeping with the WWII time period. If so, the unrepentant sexist attitudes should have been confined to that period. Since they aren't, I can only assume that the author didn't intend them as some sort of period piece, but rather that such attitudes are inherent in the way the author thinks about people. Of course, the only way to test such a hypothesis is to get to know the author personally, and even then I might very well be wrong in my presumptions. He could be making a clever commentary on how male hackers regard women, I suppose, but it sure didn't read that way. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:39:38 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: "Psycho Blues" News Just a note to say that _Balling The Jack: Birth Of The Nu Blues_, the new psycho-blues compilation will be out in mid to late Feb on Ocho Records, (original release date was supposed to be 11th, but they're talking of putting it back). 'Give it to the Soft Boys' is on there, alongside Nick Cave, Tom Waits, Diamanda Galas, Chris Thomas King, RL Burnside, Captain Beefheart, Gary Lucas (former Beefheart guitarist, Mary Margaret O'Hara does the vox on that one) Billy Childish, Johnny Dowd, plus some more obscure stuff etc. Sounds like a goody, there may be a web page for it too if i have anything to say about it... =b ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:37:51 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: What are you Reading? Ever since September 11, I have been reading nothing but book after book about Islam, the history of the Middle East, the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, and US policy in the Middle East and Gulf: Armstrong's little primer "Islam," Bernard Lewis' "The Middle East," Cleveland's "The Modern Middle East," Barber's "Jihad vs. McWorld." Currently I am reading Avi Shlaim's "The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World." Next is Said's "Covering Islam," then Friedman's "From Jerusalem to Beruit." It has been very illuminating.... I have developed a surprising attraction to the positive side of Arabic culture (an Oum Khalthoum CD is playing right now), a serious dislike of numerous Israeli Prime Ministers, a weird but brittle fondness for King Hussein of Jordan, a peculiar interest in the history of the Janissaries, a mild craving to go to Istanbul, a very strange fascination with Iranian religio-politics, and a firm agreement with Eddie that sanctions against Iraq are an unholy disaster and a serious moral lapse. I have also come to the conclusion that, while yes, they might all be crazy; they are all crazy in very different and interesting ways. Oh, and spicy Moroccan chicken rocks. - --Quailence of Arabia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:26:16 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: RIP: Juan Garcia Esquivel (1918-2002) on 1/9/02 11:10 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > PS Also, no one reaped the incomparable Avery Schreiber, the man who > set the standard for Doritos-eating which Jaw Leno found so > impossible to match. I hadn't heard of this. Schreiber was a unique character indeed. I still remember enjoying "The Burns and Schreiber Comedy Hour" when I was a kid. I'm very sad to hear about Esquivel. I really hadn't heard of him until about six or seven years ago, but since then I've come to really enjoy his stuff. Bummer. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:47:28 -0800 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: So What's Everybody Reading? On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:32:31 Stewart C. Russell wrote: >Everything I've ever read or heard about HST -- everything, that is, NOT >written or spoken by HST himself -- makes out that Raoul D. is a >complete tosspot. Ralph Barger is spectacularly dismissive of him. That may well be true. When I said Anthony Bourdain would love the comparison, I wasn't necessarily complimenting -him- by saying so. >You mean Simon "Breathless. Conjecture-Filled. Prose." >Winchester, the authority on the OED just 'cos he says he is? I didn't think I was reading an authoritative work on the OED. Is that how it was marketed? Anyway, I buy books like that with the understanding that some parts of it (particularly with regard to the psychological) will be speculative. I also love "In Cold Blood", quite a bit of which is speculative or possibly even wrong. loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:54:40 -0500 From: "Timothy Reed" Subject: RE: What are you Reading? I'm still in the first half of "From Beirut to Jerusalem" myself. It is definitely an interesting book to read - so far it's heavily anecdotal and covers the post-1980 scene. I would probably benefit from something a little more historic - something on the level of one of Chris Gross' excellent posts on the middle east, US/Japan, etc. in the weeks after the attack. I'd had a discussion with someone about the origins of the conflict - she lived in an Arab quarter of Jerusalem for a month and blamed the whole thing on immigrating Jews around WW1. That explanation seemed awfully biased, and I got sufficiently ticked off that I wanted more information, so that's where I started. I have no interest in visiting the place, trying its cuisine or listening to its music but maybe I haven't gotten far enough in the book yet. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of The Great Quail > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 4:38 PM > To: fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: Re: What are you Reading? > > > Ever since September 11, I have been reading nothing but book after > book about Islam, the history of the Middle East, the > Palestinian/Israeli conflict, and US policy in the Middle East and > Gulf: Armstrong's little primer "Islam," Bernard Lewis' "The Middle > East," Cleveland's "The Modern Middle East," Barber's "Jihad vs. > McWorld." Currently I am reading Avi Shlaim's "The Iron Wall: Israel > and the Arab World." Next is Said's "Covering Islam," then Friedman's > "From Jerusalem to Bruit." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:59:05 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: God's will be done... >"jbranscombe@compuserve.com" wrote: > > A friend of mine has a child with cerebral palsy. A man once came up > > to them in Covent Garden, pointed at Phoebe and said - "Do you know > > what that is? That's God's way of telling you not to have any more > > children." My response would be to tell the child that people like this "gentleman" are going to hell. Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:11:48 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: iMac, uMac, we all Mac? (NeXt, cube, next desperate marketing ploy) On 9 Jan 2002, at 21:11, Capuchin wrote: > > Um, you might be interested to note that NVidia and many other > manufacturers provide key components for Apple systems. Just like it said on the Apple site I read and commented on? Thanks for pointing that out! Um, what does that have to do with my exception to Apple's Pentium crushing scheme, anyway? > And if your computer runs an operating system from Redmond and > executes an ix86 instruction set, it's Wintel (and, therefore, one of > the legion of binary compatible machines that provide the breeding > ground for worms, virii and invasive or destructive code spreading > itself along public networks). Sorry. Apology accepted. I've never had a virus. You can buy Norton anti-virus for Mac's non-existent viruses too, except that it costs more, like most of the Mac-specific hardware and software I've seen. Mac is a smaller target for glory-seeking virus authors. Does that make the Mac CPU crush the Pentium one? > > > Where are they? > > Benchmarks mean diddley. Use it for your common tasks and see if it's > preferable. If not, don't use it anymore. OK, benchmarks mean diddley to you. What does "a Pentium- crushing 850 G4 processor" mean to you? What will it mean to the average person who reads that ad? What did I say before this became a nit-picking session? Why exactly are you defending this silly little computer in a Jordache case and the BS that is being used to sell it? Is it because it's I who took exception to it? Was yours a Fric Chaud crushing response? Nobody likes Fric Chaud or Pentium. Hey, how about AMD? - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:45:55 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: iMac, uMac, we all Mac? (NeXt, cube, next desperate marketing ploy) on 1/10/02 3:11 PM, Fric Chaud at FricChaud@videotron.ca wrote: > Why exactly are you defending this silly little computer in a > Jordache case and the BS that is being used to sell it? Is it > because it's I who took exception to it? Was yours a Fric Chaud > crushing response? Yeah Jeme! Don't you know that it's not a real computer unless it comes in a beige case with really loud fans and requires a user with an engineering education to keep it running? I mean really. And what kind of serious OS doesn't have a multibillion dollar support industry to keep it's users content? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:10:56 -0800 (PST) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: who has the oldest computer? With all this talk about the spiffy new Imacs, Ipods, etc, I wonder who the techie anachronisms are on this list? Who has the oldest Mac/PC to do things like surf the web (slowly), process words, do page layout, write letters, etc? Anybody here still have a Mac Color Classic? Karen regrets selling hers back in 1994. I have a picture of it for posterity, however. My guess is that James has the oldest computer. Either him or Mike Godwin. Carole, who still drives the car she learned on, an '87 Ford Escort, and owns an old school July 1998 beige G3. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:19:41 -0700 From: "linnig" Subject: So What's Everybody Reading? "The Million to One Team" "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest" "The Hobbit" "Run with the Hunted" Guntarski ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:56:09 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: What are you Reading? On 10 Jan 2002, at 16:37, The Great Quail wrote: > I have also come to the conclusion that, while yes, they might all be > crazy; they are all crazy in very different and interesting ways. Oh, > and spicy Moroccan chicken rocks. Chicken rocks? They *eat* those? They must be crazy! - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:06:46 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: hmm hmm. I got a greetings-style e-card. Or at least, I presume I have, because every time I try to log on to get it, Netscape crashes. I'm assuming that someone on this list sent it to me, but I can't find out who unless I log onto the website that I can't get to. So, if it was someone on this list (and I have my suspicions), thank you, I'd like to reply, but, well, who was it? :) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:24:18 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: who has the oldest computer? On 10 Jan 2002, at 18:10, Carole Reichstein wrote: > With all this talk about the spiffy new Imacs, Ipods, etc, I wonder > who the techie anachronisms are on this list? Who has the oldest > Mac/PC to do things like surf the web (slowly), process words, do page > layout, write letters, etc? Anybody here still have a Mac Color > Classic? Until this year I had a non-functional Apple II+ which I threw out (but kept for years because I just *liked* it) and a Mac Classic which I gave away. Surprised? Fric is multi-faced! - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:16:21 -0500 From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: So What's Everybody Reading? Comics and things, she said. But comics are all I read. I just got in a shipment from Plan 9 Publishing (http://www.plan9.org) including the two latest Kevin & Kell books, which I coloured. One of which, Election Night Fever, is dedicated to me. And that Chas. Schulz retrospective they put out - I think it's neat, but the world needs a comprehensive Peanuts collection. As of last count, 15% of the strips were never put out in book form, and there's a dozen or so series of Peanuts books by different companies that all overlap each other horribly. Anyhow, I like the book but only because it's a good strip - it's got suprisingly little content besides the strips - I'd like it more if it said more. Or if it were straight chronological reprints. They've given it a fakey scrapbook feel, with large amounts of yellowed tape on the pages and strips that get cut off on the page edges. And a variety of stuff from the discount bins of Tate's, my local comic shop. A few of the Eastman & Laird TMNT's. I don't see the appeal. I Dream of Jeanie, which I had expected more from. And, online, Narbonic (http://www.narbonic.com), Eversummer Eve (http://www.eversummereve.com), Land of Lost Mythology (http://lolm.keenspace.com) and of course my fiancee's strips, Namir Deiter (http://www.namirdeiter.com) and Undoubtedly Kawaii (http://www.kawaiicomics.com). And a dozen others too numerous to name. - -- Terrence Marks http://www.unlikeminerva.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:34:58 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: iMac, uMac, we all Mac? (NeXt, cube, next desperate marketing ploy) On 10 Jan 2002, at 16:45, Tom Clark wrote: > Yeah Jeme! Don't you know that it's not a real computer unless it > comes in a beige case with really loud fans and requires a user with > an engineering education to keep it running? I mean really. And what > kind of serious OS doesn't have a multibillion dollar support industry > to keep it's users content? I agree with Tom. Proper case shielding and cooling, close tie-ins of user interface with hardware and the wide choice of competitive software that is afforded by a large market share all increase the value of a system. - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:47:49 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: who has the oldest computer? > Surprised? Fric is multi-faced! Then why do we have to keep seeing *this* one? Let's see, I have a Commodore 64 in a box somewhere that probably still works, but I know that's easy to top. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:09:42 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: who has the oldest computer? >> > Surprised? Fric is multi-faced! I thought I'd heard it all...now you have insulted yourself. Max _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:30:49 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: who has the oldest computer? I have a TI 99 4/a with voice emulator and the NEW blazing fast 2400 baud modem... still works... I do not use it all that often, because you just get used to those lightening fast speeds :) Herbie np-> "Come Together" Anthology III Beatles - --- Carole Reichstein wrote: > With all this talk about the spiffy new Imacs, > Ipods, etc, I wonder who > the techie anachronisms are on this list? Who has > the oldest Mac/PC to do > things like surf the web (slowly), process words, do > page layout, write > letters, etc? Anybody here still have a Mac Color > Classic? Karen regrets > selling hers back in 1994. I have a picture of it > for posterity, however. > > My guess is that James has the oldest computer. > Either him or Mike Godwin. > > > Carole, who still drives the car she learned on, an > '87 Ford Escort, and > owns an old school July 1998 beige G3. ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:55:29 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: re: Imac, Umac, we all Mac? On 10 Jan 2002, at 21:47, grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > just out of curiosity, why do you feel a compulsion to rubbish reports > made here of good things from Macs at every turn? You're a nice guy. You deserve a straight answer. I've seen a lot of plugging and gushing over Apple products, unlike any other specific brand of product. It's not just on this list. Here, look at this: http://www.bbspot.com/News/2002/01/oooh.html You can't imagine I just invented the idea of the gushing Machead. That's what I'm reacting to. I did it in a comical way, too. As for Pentium-crushing, my opinions were based on what I remember of things like you'll see on this Mac-advocacy site: http://www.macwelt.de/_com/g4vsp4_3.html or at this site: http://www.tech-report.com/onearticle.x/3296 http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2001q3/pentium4- 2ghz/index.x?pg=2 I've seen little to refute the sort of thing you'll see if you follow those links -- no, actually *nothing* based on any sort of measurement, except for one that used some specific Photoshop filters. Photoshop was written and optimised for Mac and ported to X86. I did ask Mac fans to show me otherwise. Nothing came of it, except Jeme's dismissal of the very sort of thinking about performance that I was calling Apple on. Remember, this is what I said: "I see that a 800Mhz Mac "crushes" a 2200Mhz P4. That silly- looking case must be much heavier than it looks!" Tell me that's not a fair comment on this: http://www.apple.com/imac/ Instead of asking why I made that comment, one might consider why I was attacked with such vigor for having made it. It looks like glassy-eyed brand loyalty to me, as if I had made a remark about Budweiser or Coors at a western bar. >Would you feel the > same if it was good things being said about PCs? I doubt it. You don't know me that well. I think Windows XP is a security problem and that its "anti-piracy" features are an invasion and an insult. Let somebody gush about XP on this list and I'd probably make a joke about that too. I'm mad at Intel for holding up the release of DDR for P4, and for crippling the 815 chipset to push the P4 before it was ready to offer much real improvement. I'm sure I'm mad at AMD for something, but I can't remember. Maybe for not supporting their own CPU with an adequate supply of its own chipset? I could go on. >Yet I > suspect that most of those making the comments are people like me who > have used both and discovered that Macs are perfect for what we want > whereas PCs aren't. See my earlier posting about the Ibook recommendation, where I said that Mac was "absolutely the best for certain things". What gets me going is unqualified cheering for anything made by that company. > Have you ever used Macs for a long enough period > to be able to have made the same comparison? No, because my employer has long abandoned them , and because I can't afford one at home -- not one that will do both what I want and what I need. I'd love to have a Mac for audio recording, for instance, but all I can afford is a general-purpose machine that does a decent job of audio recording as a fringe benefit. Nobody understands Fric. Well, maybe 4 or 6 of you do. Now let the Mac Inquisitors come to pick at each sentence. You all *know* what I mean. -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #14 *******************************