From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #10 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, January 9 2002 Volume 11 : Number 010 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Dancing about attributions ["Fric Chaud" ] kgsr broadcasts vol.9 ["n'woj" ] Re: Dancing about attributions ["Russ Reynolds" ] So What's Everybody Reading? ["Mike Wells" ] NZ [grutness@surf4nix.com] iMac, uMac, we all Mac? [grutness@surf4nix.com] Random Pop Music Thought O' The Day (0% RH) [Dolph Chaney ] Re: So What's Everybody Reading? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: NZ [Viv Lyon ] RE: NZ ["Larry O'Brien" ] RE: So What's Everybody Reading? ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Legalize it! [bayard ] Re: So What's Everybody Reading? [Viv Lyon ] Re: So What's Everybody Reading? [bayard ] Re: Random Pop Music Thought O' The Day (0% RH) [Tom Clark ] Re: Moxi and DRM (slight return) [Tom Clark ] Re: Moxi and DRM (slight return) [Glen Uber ] RE: Moxi and DRM (slight return) ["Poole, R. Edward" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:44:37 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: Dancing about attributions Whoa! Deja lu! - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:20:09 -0500 From: "n'woj" Subject: kgsr broadcasts vol.9 thanks to jason for forwarding this along... >Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:23:00 -0600 >From: "Jason Koffman" >To: woj@fegmania.org >Subject: Robyn on new comp. CD > >Hey there. There hasn't been much Robyn release info to report, so I'm >sure you'll be itchin' for this. I was searching around ebay and found a >new radio station compilation with Robyn on it, KGSR (Austin, TX) Broadcast >Volume 9 CD. While I do not have a copy in my hands yet, it appears to have >a live on the air version of "I Saw Nick Drake". > >-Jason rooting around on the kgsr website turns up the track listing at which confirms that robyn's "i saw nick drake" was on the disc. alas, it's no longer available (sold out at the end of last month). did anybody score a copy? if so, please post the details. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:39:14 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: Dancing about attributions my 2 cents or so...Elvis Costello probably said it first. G.uber: > "The last time I paid that much for a beer, I got to lick it off a naked > breast." > - --Me, 1-3-02, after paying $4.30 for a pint of IPA at a local restaurant Either you don't go to many Major League Baseball games or the ones you DO go to are a lot more entertaining than the ones I go to. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:40:38 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: So What's Everybody Reading? I'll go first... What's at the plate, or just batted: Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion by Dan Simmons. Long overdue for a re-read, my favorite sci-fi books of all time. The Secrets of a Fire King by Kim Edwards. A newspaper recommendation, which reminded me why I don't end up liking newspaper recommendations very often. Great heaping gobs of empathy-drenched narrative, once I figured out that it wasn't going to get any better finally had to bail on it. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas by H.S. Thompson. Hadn't actually ever read it in toto. Kaboom. Driving Mr. Albert by Michael Paterniti. Saw this on another feglist (Chris G perhaps?) and liked the idea so much went out and bought it right away. Was expecting something a bit lighter, in the Bill Bryson vein, but was intrigued by what it actually was. A good, quick read. The Dictionary of Imaginary Places - Alberto Manguel/Gianni Gaudlupi. On the giveaway table at the local Borders ($4?). Quite useful as a reference, but still interesting to read in sections or just browse over. What's on deck: Guards! Guards! and Pyramids by Terry Pratchett. The latest two discworld books to be re-released in paperback after being discontinued. To me a wildly uneven series that I mostly enjoy, and I could use a little light humor reading right now. Kitchen Confidential by Anthony Bourdain. Not sure how I'm going to react to this one. I used to cook professionally and burned out doing it...and a quick flip through has brought back a lot of memories, not all of them pleasant. Should be an interesting read though. A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius by Dave Eggers. Everybody and their grandmother has rec'd it to me, so I suppose it's about time. Circles by James Burke. I was a big fan of the The Day the Universe Changed (perhaps a bit more so than Connections), so I was glad to get this as an xmas gift. Kick Ass by Carl Hiassen. Bought for the wife but I tend to like his stuff, Tourist Season probably most of all. The Porcelain Dove by Delia Sherman. Another feg recommendation, found one used on the cheap. The Shipping News by E.A. Proulx. Probably one of my Top 10 favorite books of all time, also due for a re-read. Based on the reviews, I haven't had the heart to go see the movie. Michael " ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:56:38 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: NZ >Because it has a red breast, presumably. Now here's a confusing thing - >American robins are actually a kind of thrush, as are British blackbirds, >which behave exactly like American robins (hopping about, looking for worms, >etc.). Are NZ "robins" actually British blackbirds? no, NZ blackbirds are actually British blackbirds (of the thrush family - Turdus, poor things). NZ Robins are a native species, the Petroica Australis. Other Brit imports include starlings, song and mistle thrushes, pigeons, sparrows, dunnocks, chaffinches, greenfinches, and yellowhammers. >Cool--I've always wanted to learn how to make "real" jewlery. The only >problem is that we will -all- want to visit James and I'm not sure his place >is big enough. Some of us will have to camp out in the backyard perhaps:-) >Lets have our flag lessons on the beach. With refreshments and a musical >interlude by ... hm. The backyard's not that big! But it sounds like fun... >Are there any hallucenogenic mushrooms native to NZ? heh... anecdote time... many years ago, I played soccer, and on one occasion we played at a pitch in one of Dunedin's hillier suburbs, some 300 metres above sealevel. It was a misty winter's day - the cloud ceiling was some 100 metres above sealevel. So there we were, a bunch of very dim looking grey shapes running around trying to put a ball we couldn't see between some goalposts at one end of the pitch or the other. Every now and again, when the ball went out to one side of the field, all these strange silhouettes would scamper off into the fog. We found out later that the park containing the soccer pitch was a favourite place to pick the funny fungus, and that the local druggies headed there whenever it was too misty for them to be seen. We were interrupting their harvest... >Return of Fegtopia! Hell, I might move to NZ just to get away from the >nightmare of the American Dream. Actually, I've really been thinking about >this a lot. A lot. But as Jeme says, when I tell him NZ is paradise, why >should they take us? What do we have to offer them? Except for the >concept of freedom of speech, of course. Or am I wrong about that, James? sorry, I'm not allowed to tell you that ;) Anything I say about NZ might be a tad biased. I like it here. It would be fair to say that it's: Relatively friendly, easygoing, tolerant people. Relatively progressive, left-of-centre politics. Relatively safe, educated, and egalitarian (with regards race, gender, religion, and sexual orientation). Relatively good standard of living. Relatively awesome scenery. Of course, you've got to ask "Relative to what?" in one or two cases, but overall it's a pretty neat country. Some smeghead looking to pick a fight once emailed me with a comment like "Of course, women are still regarded as second-class citizens where you live, aren't they." I replied that - at the time - the prime minister, leader of the opposition, governor-general, chief justice, attorney general, and the CEO of our largest company were all women, and women have had the vote here since 1893. (Admittedly, that isn't as long as our native population, who've had the vote since the 1860s, but still...) James (this message has been brought to you by the alternative NZ tourism board :) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:43:57 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: iMac, uMac, we all Mac? >"Pentium Crushing Imac" 800Mhz - $1700. >P4 - 1.5Ghz - $900 at CompUSA. >P4 - 2.0Ghz - $1550 at CompUSA. To paraphrase the BBC-online's item on the new iMac: "the last few years have seen a largely unwarranted marketing focus on raw processor speed measured in megahertz. On that measure Intel's chips are rated up to twice as fast, despite benchmarks which suggest that in practical use they do not perform at anywhere near that level." >> Would you like fries with your words? > >Eh? I think he's trying to sell you a big Mac ;) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 06:43:20 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Random Pop Music Thought O' The Day (0% RH) I was listening to Big Star today, and "Don't Lie To Me" came on. Into my head popped the following: "Y'know who would sound GREAT doing this song? AC/DC." dolph ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:38:34 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: iMac, uMac, we all Mac? On Thu, Jan 10, 2002, grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > >"Pentium Crushing Imac" 800Mhz - $1700. > >P4 - 1.5Ghz - $900 at CompUSA. > >P4 - 2.0Ghz - $1550 at CompUSA. > > To paraphrase the BBC-online's item on the new iMac: "the last few > years have seen a largely unwarranted marketing focus on raw > processor speed measured in megahertz. On that measure Intel's chips > are rated up to twice as fast, despite benchmarks which suggest that > in practical use they do not perform at anywhere near that level." Yeah, the G4 chips do seem to be on par with Intel chips rated at much higher MHz ratings. And seem to run a lot cooler too. Same goes for the Sun UltraSPARCs. People laugh about the newer ones "only" being at the 500-900 MHz mark or so, but don't understand that the SPARCs always seemed to perform much better at a much lower MHz rating. It's like comparing apples to oranges. "Give me a GHz already!" :) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:50:42 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: So What's Everybody Reading? Mike Wells wrote: > > I'll go first... I'm re-reading "The 13.5 Lives of Captain Bluebear" again, and it's far far far better the second time round, 'cos seeded deep within the weirdness are many forward references to weirdnesses later on. A lovely book. In German, its title must be one of the longest ever: Die 13 1/2 Leben des Khapt'n Blaubhar : die halben Lebenserinnerungen eines Seebharen : mit zahlreichen Illustrationen und unter Benutzung des "Lexikons der erklharungsbedhurftigen Wunder, Daseinsformen und Phhanomene Zamoniens und Umgebung" von Prof. Dr. Abdul Nachtigaller > A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius by Dave Eggers. Everybody and their > grandmother has rec'd it to me, so I suppose it's about time. I don't. I though it was 75% self-indulgent crap. Cut down to a novella, it would have been okay, quite good actually. But at the length it is -- esp with the addenda in the pbk edition -- it's a waste of space. I think we threw our copy away. Stewart (who has hair regrettably similar to Dave Eggers's.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 08:41:11 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: one feg to rule them all >Return of Fegtopia! Hell, I might move to NZ just to get away from >the >nightmare of the American Dream. Actually, I've really been >thinking about >this a lot. A lot. I was actually seriously considering moving to NZ at one point, but some research showed that the immigration laws are very strict. I can't remember details, but they may even be stricter than those of the US and UK. Anyway, it was enough to discourage my plans. All those cute NZ men with cute NZ accents will be forever beyond my reach... I believe Bayard has traditionally been cast as Gandalf in "Lord of the Fegs." Many people have claimed I resemble a hobbit (short, stocky, curly hair, penchant for over-eating). There's no major female hobbit characters, and I don't have the hubris to claim the part of Frodo, so perhaps I could be a cross-dressing Merry or Pippin. Robyn would be Aragorn, of course. Matthew Seligman would be Faramir. n. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:11:48 -0800 (PST) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: NZ On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > Anything I say about NZ might be a tad biased. I like it here. It would be > fair to say that it's: Relatively friendly, easygoing, tolerant people. > Relatively progressive, left-of-centre politics. Relatively safe, educated, > and egalitarian (with regards race, gender, religion, and sexual > orientation). Relatively good standard of living. Relatively awesome > scenery. Well, that's about 300 times better than the place I'm living. And I'm living in the most left-of-center city in the country, supposedly. Of course, left-of-center here doesn't mean much. They still sic the riot cops on you when you go out to greet the "president" with a peaceful march/demonstration. > Some smeghead looking to pick a fight once emailed me with a comment like > "Of course, women are still regarded as second-class citizens where you > live, aren't they." I replied that - at the time - the prime minister, > leader of the opposition, governor-general, chief justice, attorney > general, and the CEO of our largest company were all women, and women have > had the vote here since 1893. (Admittedly, that isn't as long as our native > population, who've had the vote since the 1860s, but still...) Well hot diggity damn. I'm there. > James (this message has been brought to you by the alternative NZ tourism > board :) They should hire you. That is, if they wanted the country overrun with a bunch of disillusioned American wanna-be ex-pats. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:12:37 -0500 From: "Larry O'Brien" Subject: RE: NZ Omaha????? >Well, that's about 300 times better than the place I'm living. And I'm living in the most left-of-center city in the >>>country, supposedly. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:30:44 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: So What's Everybody Reading? Wells: >Kitchen Confidential by Anthony Bourdain. Not sure how I'm going to react to >this one. I used to cook professionally and burned out doing it...and a quick >flip through has brought back a lot of memories, not all of them pleasant. >Should be an interesting read though. I, who have never been a professional cook (but my sister is one, so I know about the business), found this to be an incredible read. Tony also has a new show on Food Network -- which is pretty funny, given how much scorn he heaps on celebrity chef culture in general, and Emeril in particular. I just saw the first ep. last night and it was very entertaining. Tony seems to be the Richard Hell of the food world, which is a lot better than being the culinary equivalent of a Muppet (see the aforementioned Emeril). >A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius by Dave Eggers. Everybody and their >grandmother has rec'd it to me, so I suppose it's about time. Well, I loved it. Every self-indulgent, meandering paragraph. I especially loved the added stuff in the paperback, which just shows what a glutton I am. I understand why people react negatively to this book -- if being inside Eggers' head is not fun for you, this book will kill you. On the other hand, if you like him -- despite or perhaps because of his many neuroses -- than this book is very pleasurable. I'm currently working on non-fiction, mostly: President Nixon: Alone in the White House by Richard Reeves. Even if, like me, you are something of a Nixon/Watergate junkie, you will find something new, insightful, shocking and disgusting in here. Culled from, primarily, Nixon's written record (as opposed to, say, the tapes), Reeves paints a detailed portrait of a lonely, paranoid, angry, depressed, resentful, egotistical, bigoted, vengeful and self-hating man who managed to be the most powerful man in the world for 6 years. The extent to which major policy decisions were made on the basis of personal grudges, prejudices and perceived slights is just unimaginable. For example, in 1970 the US was considering the sale of 80 fighter jets to Israel. France had just made a major arms sale to Libya's new leader, Quaddafi. During this period, France's new president Pompidou was visiting the US, and American Jewish groups were organizing protests wherever he spoke. NY Gov. Rockefeller and Mayor Lindsay decided to boycott a dinner for President Pompidou because of his dealings with Quaddafi. Reading this is his daily news summary, Nixon went bezerk, writing "This is unconscionable. The fucking Jews think they can run the world!" So, Nixon reverses his decision, made only 2 weeks earlier in a meeting with Golda Meir, to sell the fighter jets to Israel, and decides to "punish" New York City because the Governor and Mayor had embarrassed the Administration. So, Nixon sends a memo ordering: "Cut all federal projects you can find which provide aid for New York City . . . . Discontinue or delay programs with discretionary funding which directly aid the City government, concentrating on three departments vital to the City's needs -- HEW, HUD and Transportation." All in all, a scary book, but well-researched and written. Critical Legal Studies, James Boyle (Editor) -- a collection of essays by lefty legal scholars. Very good, if sometimes obtuse, studies of the role and use of law, aimed at debunking common myths about the US legal system (e.g., the supposed content neutrality of Constitutional interpretation according to "Original Intent"). Also -- "Dr. Fegg's Encyclopedia of All World Knowledge" by Terry Jones and Michael Palin. Yes, its mention on this list lead to my picking it up in a used book store a few weeks back. And it is, indeed, quite enjoyable. The original printing was 1975 -- any possible connection between Fegmania and Dr. Fegg? ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:41:05 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: Legalize it! On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Capuchin wrote: > I've got a post from Mark Gloster dated Wed, 12 > Dec 2001 09:41:59 -0800. so it it only me who's getting bounced messages from him? his web site's been down a while... i guess i'll try his work addy. Here's some possible good news: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5101325,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:47:15 -0800 (PST) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: So What's Everybody Reading? On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Mike Wells wrote: > I'll go first... I'll go third or fourth. I just finished Cryptonomicon, which has given me the impetus to actually learn a thing or two about this box I sit in front of so often. I think I'll leave cryptanalysis to my betters, but I'm considering encrypting my mail. The book is hilarious and informative by turns, well worth reading by almost anyone. Having virtually no interest in WWII, I feared the historical half of the storyline might bore me, but man were my fears unfounded. Unfortunately, somewhere over the course of the 900 pages it became painfully clear that Stephenson is a misogynist, whether he knows it or not. Of the two main female characters in the book, one is notable only for hair color, body parts, manners and her effect on Lawrence Waterhouse (Mary Smith), and the other is a mysterious adventurer, initially presumed to be a lesbian because of her strength and independence, who turns out to be nothing more than a frail to be rescued and a semen receptacle (Amy Shaftoe). I could go on, but I won't. Suffice to say that there were places in the book where I thought I was reading one of Dave Sim's rants. I'm currently about to re-read Vincent Bugliosi's book about Bush v. Gore, so I can fire some pithy questions at Scalia when he visits my school in February. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:58:54 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: Re: So What's Everybody Reading? > > A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius by Dave Eggers. Everybody and their > > grandmother has rec'd it to me, so I suppose it's about time. > > I don't. I though it was 75% self-indulgent crap. i thought the introductiuon was really fantastic. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:06:45 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Random Pop Music Thought O' The Day (0% RH) on 1/9/02 4:43 AM, Dolph Chaney at dolph@sprewt.com wrote: > I was listening to Big Star today, and "Don't Lie To Me" came on. Into my > head popped the following: > > "Y'know who would sound GREAT doing this song? AC/DC." > What a coincidence! I was listening to "#1 Record" on my way to work today. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 20:22:22 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Return of Fegtopia! Nat: >There might be some correlation between the amount of vernix and how >early >the baby is born... possibly late-term babies have less of it >because it >comes off? Don't know, but our vernicaled(?) babe was 3 weeks early. And that lanugo thing is fascinating. Katie had several inches of regular blonde hair on her head at birth. After the nurses cleaned her up they put finger curls in it. She also had angel kisses over both eyes, which looked like pale blue eyeshadow. The nurses placed her in the front of the viewing area. She was adorable.(Alright, all infants look like Winston Churchill, but she looked like an -adorable- Winston Churchill;-) >a huge pale hawk was sitting I think only ospreys are all pale. Redtails, however, are numerous and have pale breasts. Could you have seen one of my buddies?;-) You can spot redtails all over the northeast, usually perched on telephone poles or at the tops of trees. - ----------------------------------------------------- Chris Gross: >Can I be Best Boy? I always thought that sounded attractive. Makes sense to me;-) - --------------------------------- Chris Franz: What a great general quote site. Thanks. I've always figured the dancing about architecture remark was someone's creative response to the quote about architecture being fozen music( Goerthe.) - ----------------------------------------- As to the casting of the immortal Feggoship(outch) I have come up with a fair method. In every scene every character is played by a different actor. We'll keep the costumes the same so there's no confusion(heh.) So in one scene Bayard can be Frodo and in the next the Shark is. We can come up with some properly swotty reason for doing this-- the deconstruction of conventional western concepts of identity blah blah. I'm sure quite a few of us earned the GoldenShovel award in college and are well up to bullshitting on demand. Next,the sequel -- Ghost Feggoship;-) (all bad movies have sequels.) Kay All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed. Sean O'Caseyfeg _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:31:06 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Moxi and DRM (slight return) on 1/7/02 7:01 PM, Eric Loehr at loehr@charter.net wrote: >[Newsweek Article Quote] > "This means that Moxi could be a Trojan > horse into the home for media that are controlled not by the user, but the > provider; it may even help in realizing the dream > of record labels and movie studios (like AOL): a "pay per view" world where > every listen of a Lucinda Williams tune or viewing of a "Get Smart" rerun > racks up another nickel on the cable bill. Perlman acknowledges that Moxi > allows media providers to restrict users but believes the marketplace will > compel providers "to provide the right balance -- if you cross the line > [and frustrate consumers], you're doomed." I've had numerous discussions with Steve on this very topic, mainly regarding my work on supporting portable MP3 players. Essentially that last quote is his standard response; I just hope he's right. I have a real problem with per-use charges, but I wouldn't mind some sort of model where I could keep a movie on my box forever if I paid a set price - like buying a DVD. Another "service" we've talked about might work like this: You tell the service provider that you love Robyn Hitchcock. You wake up one day and see a message on your TV screen saying: "The new Soft Boys album has been downloaded to your jukebox. Would you like to purchase it?" If you answer yes, your bill is debited and the album is unlocked. It even contains rich content like artwork, liner notes, video clips, etc... Hopefully, you could also plug in a CD burner and make a hard copy. Would you guys be in favour of such a thing? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 12:42:20 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Moxi and DRM (slight return) On 1/9/02 11:31 AM, "Tom Clark" wrote: > Would you guys be in favour of such a thing? Hell yes! - -- Cheers! - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:49:45 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: Moxi and DRM (slight return) on 1/7/02 7:01 PM, Eric Loehr at loehr@charter.net wrote: >>[Newsweek Article Quote] [snip] >> Perlman acknowledges that Moxi >> allows media providers to restrict users but believes the marketplace will >> compel providers "to provide the right balance -- if you cross the line >> [and frustrate consumers], you're doomed." TC: >I've had numerous discussions with Steve on this very topic, mainly >regarding my work on supporting portable MP3 players. Essentially that last >quote is his standard response; I just hope he's right. That remains to be seen, of course, but Universal's new CDs -- which won't play in computers or some CD players because of the copy restrictions they used -- provide an excellent test case. At this point, are there enough of users who play cds on their computers, and/or who make mp3s from cds they own (purely for personal use, of course), to make Universal's new discs commercially unacceptable to a large enough portion of the market? If Universal can do this without significantly losing sales, then we should be worried. ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. 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