From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #8 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, January 8 2002 Volume 11 : Number 008 Today's Subjects: ----------------- imac ["Walker, Charles" ] Re: A Robyn reference? ["Fric Chaud" ] Re: New Email & some news [Tom Clark ] Re: Feg makes good [Tom Clark ] new iMac [Mike Swedene ] Re: Memento (warning: big effin' spoilers) [Eclipse ] Re: New Email & some news [Capuchin ] Re: New Email & some news [Capuchin ] Re: dogs part 2 (and owls, oh my!) [Eclipse ] The new iMac [Terrence Marks ] Re: New Email & some news [Tom Clark ] Re: New Email & some news [Eric Loehr ] Moxi and DRM (slight return) [Eric Loehr ] Re: somebody kill them...please kill them now [steve ] Westerberg (100%) Beatles (100%) RH (0%) [Mike Swedene ] Another Mere Mortal ["Redtailed Hawk" ] iMac and bye Dave [Christopher Gross ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:45:25 -0800 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: imac >Haven't managed to see a picture yet, but according to all accounts I've >read, Apple's new iMac looks rather like ... an anglepoise lamp. Try here: http://www.timecanada.com/weekly/070102/gr/TopPhoto_140102.jpg I'm sure there are more (& better) pictures out there, but that's the first one I found. chas in LA replies: does it come with two guys dressed in black looking techno hip and somewhat, er, latent? anglepoise men. http://www.theweeklywalker.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:17:57 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: A Robyn reference? On 7 Jan 2002, at 12:24, Glen Uber wrote: > On 1/7/02 12:06 PM, "Poole, R. Edward" wrote: > > Chris: > >> Haven't managed to see a picture yet, but according to all accounts > >> I've read, Apple's new iMac looks rather like ... an anglepoise > >> lamp. I see that a 800Mhz Mac "crushes" a 2200Mhz P4. That silly- looking case must be much heavier than it looks! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:22:21 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: New Email & some news on 1/7/02 3:20 PM, Capuchin at capuchin@bitmine.net wrote: > What the Moxi really needs is a high-speed ethernet port and an http > server to serve up those files (audio, video, and program information) to > your home network and multi-purpose computers. Got it, via ethernet or 802.11a wireless. >But Tom already knows my gripe with set-top boxes... from a purely >hypothetical discussion, of course. Yeah, you're really going to hate our business side: Lots of digital rights management and content provider-imposed restrictions. But at least we are Microsoft-free! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:28:32 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Feg makes good on 1/7/02 12:22 PM, Glen Uber at uberg@sonic.net wrote: > Wow! The first the new iMac and now this. On the same day, no less. > > Congratulations, Tom! I can't wait to get my hands on one of these. > > http://www.moxi.com > Granted, I had nothing to do with the new iMac - unless you count the USB software carried over from the original one - but thanks! It certainly has been an exciting two weeks for me. Apologies to everyone to whom I owe a "Thank You" note (re: the baby). Today is my first day back at work and I probably won't be caught up with everything until, oh I don't know, 2020. RH Rules, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:11:33 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: new iMac Here is the new imac info.... http://www.apple.com/imac/ Enjoy! Herbie np-> "don't Go Back To Rockville" REM ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:29:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Memento (warning: big effin' spoilers) Yesterday, The Great Quail says to fegmaniax@smoe.org, they says: > Jeme -- Is there any way you could have written your criticism of > "Memento" without painting Eb out to be an idiot for failing to see > what is "obvious" to a superior intellect such as yourself? > ... > your review felt insulting and > arrogant in the extreme -- not to the film, but to your fellow > film-goers. bravo, Quail, for saying so politely and clearly what i was thinking in much more hostile words. Jeme's review came across as very haughty and (much like many of his other posts, which i would make more of an effort to read if they didn't also come across as so insufferbly superior) made me feel as if i were the target of Jeme's point, which was that if you liked this movie and/or watched it more than once to "get" it all, you are obviously stupid. here's hoping that Jeme can come across a little more humbly in his future opinion pieces. :) Eclipse - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Eclipse | eclipse@eclipse.best.vwh.net (clunky enough for you?) If this is not what you expected, please alter your expectations. "i guess one person can make a difference - but most of the time, they probably shouldn't." - Marge Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:35:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Dogs, BNirds n Birth Yesterday, Redtailed Hawk says to fegmaniax@smoe.org, they says: > So come East in the fall and stay here for a few days. Hawk Mountain is > amazing, hundreds upon hundreds during the migration. Plus youre up on this > pinnacle above an autumnal valley with the perfect glassy river below. One > thing I loved about hawking is what a good excuse it was for being out and > about outdooors. I bet I'd also like bird-watching but I most often pick up > hobbies from friends, and I've yet to be have anyone volunteer to drag me > into the woods with them. what a great idea .. it's like a feg apprenticeship exchange! nat goes to kay's for a light lesson in birdwatching. kay can come visit me for a beginning silversmithing lesson. then i'll go to james' to learn about flags .. :) E "if we lived in a perfect world.." clipse - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Eclipse | eclipse@eclipse.best.vwh.net (clunky enough for you?) If this is not what you expected, please alter your expectations. "i guess one person can make a difference - but most of the time, they probably shouldn't." - Marge Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:42:33 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: New Email & some news On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Tom Clark wrote: > on 1/7/02 3:20 PM, Capuchin at capuchin@bitmine.net wrote: > > What the Moxi really needs is a high-speed ethernet port and an http > > server to serve up those files (audio, video, and program information) to > > your home network and multi-purpose computers. > > Got it, via ethernet or 802.11a wireless. Well, that's dandy. So we can transfer our television programs to our computer hard drives? What video codec? MPEG2 is what I'm hoping to hear. > >But Tom already knows my gripe with set-top boxes... from a purely > >hypothetical discussion, of course. > > Yeah, you're really going to hate our business side: Lots of digital > rights management and content provider-imposed restrictions. Yeah, that's bad news. I guess the real question is whether or not the "content provider-imposed restrictions" apply to content from sources that do not explicitly supply restrictions. One of the great problems with so-called DRM is that it tends to apply to ALL information the device processes in any way, not just that information that explicitly carries restrictions. > But at least we are Microsoft-free! That reminds me, didn't you say this thing had a Linux kernel inside? What kind of microprocessor's in there? Do you know if any (and what type, if you know) kernel modifications were made to run your device or software? If so, how has the source been released? Did you use GNU development tools? Were those modified at all? Is there a firewire or USB storage option? Is the DRM in the form of encrypted data, proprietary formats, physical access restrictions administered by software or something else? I got more whence those came. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:48:15 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: New Email & some news Oh, and by the way... On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Capuchin wrote: > On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, bayard wrote: > > ... why are DVD's considered intellectual properties, but not CD's? Just > > wondering. > > It's a licensing restriction related to the DVD Content Scrambling System. I also forgot to mention this important piece about DVD licensing. The ways in which a standard coded DVD can be used are determined by the DVDCCA, not by the individual owners of the copyrights protecting the works themselves. So if I make a home movie and send it off to be mastered by a DVD house, they will, by default, CSS encode the thing (because they are under license to do so unless explicitly asked not to) and the disc that comes out the far end can only be used in ways the DVDCCA says are OK. This is very near the heart of the crime of "Digital Rights Management". It cannot be implemented effectively without retarding culture, destroying personal freedoms, and narrowing the spectrum of human interaction. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:48:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Eclipse Subject: Re: dogs part 2 (and owls, oh my!) Yesterday, ross taylor says to fegmaniax@smoe.org, they says: > Owls-- > > There are screech-owls in residential areas now. > I can do a passable imitation. They give a fast > hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo, like a slowed-down recording > of a Little Richard whooo, as if Little Richard > was a ghost. i grew up in Phoenix, AZ, where my parents were avid horse riders. after my parents divorced, my mom moved out to the middle of nowhere, the undeveloped (back then, anyway) desert area just to the north of phoenix. before this area became urbanized, we used to go riding and see all manner of animals and birds: redtailed hawks, kestrels, vultures, sometimes eagles, and many, many owls. while riding one day, we came across a Great Horned Owl, dead, in perfect condition: no decay, no obvious wounds, but quite dead. if you haven't seen a Great Horned, there's nothing like it: adults can have a wingspan of approximately 6 feet, and they stand 2 to 3 feet tall. upturned tufts of feathers on their heads give them the horned appearance, and overall they are quite impressive to see. finding a dead one with no decay and no wounds was amazing enough that my mother (an artist and animal bone/feather/hide collector) decided to take it home. she wanted to have it stuffed and give it to a school or somesuch for educational display in their library. GH Owls are protected in AZ, so she called the Game & Fish department to ask about how this should be handled, whereupon she was disappointingly told that since the animal was of a protected species, she would not be allowed to handle it herself, and would instead have to allow Game & Fish to come take the body and handle it themselves. presumably they disposed of it in a less beneficial way, unfortunately. how did the owl die? my mom (who doesn't have a vet license but might as well be one) determined it was electrocuted, probably standing on a bare wire or two wires at once. its claws were burned where it would've been grasping the wire, but there was no other external damage to the bird. amazing. i miss riding in the AZ desert - or what's left of it. Eclipse - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Eclipse | eclipse@eclipse.best.vwh.net (clunky enough for you?) If this is not what you expected, please alter your expectations. "i guess one person can make a difference - but most of the time, they probably shouldn't." - Marge Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 02:00:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Eclipse Subject: Re: A Robyn reference? > Apple finally got around to putting it up at their site: > http://www.apple.com i have a good friend who's a web launch coordinator for Apple. she's been working on this thing all weekend and had to go in at 6a today to launch this stuff. and boy are they peeved that Time blew it and let slip a press release before today. :) now if only she could get me a job there too.. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Eclipse | eclipse@eclipse.best.vwh.net (clunky enough for you?) If this is not what you expected, please alter your expectations. "i guess one person can make a difference - but most of the time, they probably shouldn't." - Marge Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:33:29 -0500 From: Terrence Marks Subject: The new iMac Reminds me of IBMs X-series netvista line, which has a similar all-in-one flat panel look to it. Only ours is black, squarish, and without the hinge. And I've got the same complaints about it as I do the netvista x-series. It's only got a one-year warranty. And I wonder what parts, if any, are user replaceable. Or what happens if that hinge snaps? (Or something mundane like the hard drive getting scratched or the modem getting fried). And it's nice if you're willing to pay twice as much for something that's small and looks futuristic. I never did understand the fashion accessory aspect of computing. I mean, it's one thing when you add an attractive case to a computer. It's another thing entirely to design the computer around a case. (And I'm not just picking on Apple. IBM's ultraportable laptops are just as bad. Like the TransNote, which fits a legal pad-sized leather case. No user-replaceable parts besides memory and battery. No floppy or optical drives neither, so if the OS goes, you're out of luck unless you've got a bootable USB CD drive or some similar contraption that you probably don't have.) - -- Terrence Marks http://www.unlikeminerva.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 18:40:07 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: New Email & some news NOTE: I think there's a subset of listmembers who are interested in this conversation, so skip if you're not. on 1/7/02 5:42 PM, Capuchin at capuchin@bitmine.net wrote: > On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Tom Clark wrote: >> on 1/7/02 3:20 PM, Capuchin at capuchin@bitmine.net wrote: >>> What the Moxi really needs is a high-speed ethernet port and an http >>> server to serve up those files (audio, video, and program information) to >>> your home network and multi-purpose computers. >> >> Got it, via ethernet or 802.11a wireless. > > Well, that's dandy. So we can transfer our television programs to our > computer hard drives? What video codec? > > MPEG2 is what I'm hoping to hear. > We are an extensible platform. Depending on what the system provider wants to do, we can stream content, copy content, restrict content access, etc... For CES, we just bolted on a RealOne server to demo that capability. MPEG2 is, of course, the default codec for video programs. > I guess the real question is whether or not the "content provider-imposed > restrictions" apply to content from sources that do not explicitly supply > restrictions. > Of course not. All content is treated in its own way. We will not impose extra restrictions on content that is delivered unrestricted. > > > That reminds me, didn't you say this thing had a Linux kernel > inside? What kind of microprocessor's inthere? Our box is Linux 2.4 running on an x86 architecture . However, we are not bound by processor architecture. >Do you know if any (and > what type, if you know) kernel modifications were made to run your device > or software? If so, how has the source been released? Did you use GNU > development tools? Were those modified at all? Minor kernel modifications, all under GPL. Source is integrated into the tree as it's changed. All GNU tools, no mods. >Is there a firewire or USB storage option? Why do you think I'm here? ;) >Is the DRM in the form of encrypted data, proprietary > formats, physical access restrictions administered by software or > something else? > All four. Let me reiterate that in order to make significant deals with with both systems deployers (cable, satellite) AND content providers (networks, record labels, etc...), you must ensure that you will maintain the safety of their content. Our system is extremely anal about this. > I got more whence those came. Natch. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:53:04 -0500 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: New Email & some news At 05:42 PM 1/7/02 -0800, Capuchin wrote: >> >But Tom already knows my gripe with set-top boxes... from a purely >> >hypothetical discussion, of course. >> >> Yeah, you're really going to hate our business side: Lots of digital >> rights management and content provider-imposed restrictions. > >Yeah, that's bad news. > >I guess the real question is whether or not the "content provider-imposed >restrictions" apply to content from sources that do not explicitly supply >restrictions. > >One of the great problems with so-called DRM is that it tends to apply to >ALL information the device processes in any way, not just that information >that explicitly carries restrictions. Tom, sorry to be a wet blanket, but I'm pretty concerned about those restrictions; I'm sure Jeme will be able to find a way around them, the average consumer won't; this section of the article Edward pointed out earlier ( at http://www.msnbc.com/news/682526.asp?0dm=-12EK&cp1=1 ) is quite disturbing: Users will get Moxi through providers of satellite TV (EchoStar will be first to offer it, later this year) and, be-ginning in 2003, cable television; AOL is Perlmans lead investor (The Washington Post Company, which owns NEWSWEEK, also has a stake). For those companies, the system provides not just revenue from sales of music and movie tickets but protection of intellectual content, because Moxi is a media lockbox that embeds anticopying protections on music and videos that run on the system. This means that Moxi could be a Trojan horse into the home for media that are controlled not by the user, but the provider; it may even help in realizing the dream of record labels and movie studios (like AOL): a pay per view world where every listen of a Lucinda Williams tune or viewing of a Get Smart rerun racks up another nickel on the cable bill. Perlman acknowledges that Moxi allows media providers to restrict users but believes the marketplace will compel providers to provide the right balanceif you cross the line [and frustrate consumers], youre doomed. I sure as hell don't trust the RIAA, AOL, or other media providers to provide the right balance or any balance at all unless it's weighted to pour all of our nickels into their pockets. I'm already pissed off at the record companies attempts to trample our fair use rights, and this looks like it's just giving them more weapons against us. (Having said all that -- congratulations -- other than the above, it looks pretty nifty.) Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 22:01:01 -0500 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Moxi and DRM (slight return) Urp -- sorry about the formatting on that last message; here it is again, hopefully more readable this time: Users will get Moxi through providers of satellite TV (EchoStar will be first to offer it, later this year) and, be-ginning in 2003, cable television; AOL is Perlman's lead investor (The Washington Post Company, which owns NEWSWEEK, also has a stake). For those companies, the system provides not just revenue from sales of music and movie tickets but protection of intellectual content, because Moxi is a "media lockbox" that embeds anticopying protections on music and videos that run on the system. This means that Moxi could be a Trojan horse into the home for media that are controlled not by the user, but the provider; it may even help in realizing the dream of record labels and movie studios (like AOL): a "pay per view" world where every listen of a Lucinda Williams tune or viewing of a "Get Smart" rerun racks up another nickel on the cable bill. Perlman acknowledges that Moxi allows media providers to restrict users but believes the marketplace will compel providers "to provide the right balance -- if you cross the line [and frustrate consumers], you're doomed." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:26:08 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: somebody kill them...please kill them now On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 04:05 PM, Eb wrote: > SEATTLE, Washington (AP) -- The new "Star Wars" movie doesn't open > until May > 16, but John Guth and Jeff Tweiten already have their spots in line. Hey, they could be Furries. http://www.furry.com/whatisff.htm - - Steve __________ It is white." - George Bush, when asked what the White House is like by a student at Morningside Primary School in Hackney, East London. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:43:49 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: vernixal?/birds Kay sez: >>Was there plenty of vernix? (a white cheesy substance which protects >the >>baby's skin fromamniotic fluid) > >Thank you Nat. I'd forgotten what the word for that was. Katie was so >covered with it we couldnt tell at first what color her long locks were. I >think it would make a great adjective. Vernixal? more likely vernical, I'd guess. Consider: vertex/vertical helix/helical cervix/cervical Fegmaniax/Fegmaniacal Unix/Unical radish/radical ibex/a bicycle erm... no, that can't be right... >Ive always wondered how the american(and the NZ--black you say-- thats >sounds like a crow in robin's clothing) well, they're *mainly* black, at least. They have a cream-coloured breast in their summer plumage: Oh, and did I mention penguins? We have penguins! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 08:42:11 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re:Birds and Lyme Regis Fossils >James > >I once knew a couple of crusty urban acid heads that were keen twitchers. > >:) what a great combination! > One of them, Larry, became the original guitarist of Citizen Fish. I lost contact with him when CF went for a US tour around 89/90. > >RH content: I have a strong desire to see Robyn do an acoustic set at the > >sea front at Lyme Regis. Such a beautiful bay and town. > >and IIRC home of some of the world's first discovered dinosaur remains. > Its the birthplace of Mary Anning who was one of the earliest paeleontologists. She is remembered in Lyme by having a road named after her. Lyme is quite small but supports a dinosaur museum and two fossil shops. The coast (eastwards) towards Charmouth often rigns to sound of hammers on rocks as amateur hunters fuck up the cliffs. If you walk along it you will see several large exposed amonites (in lumps of rock far too big to move) and occasionaly find a nice small one to pick up. I have one about an inch and a half diameter on top of my monitor at work. A lot of the exposed cliff is actually very very soft - more like compacted mud - you can find things in them but the rock is so soft that they just crumble. There have been some huge mudslides along this bit of the coast in the last couple of years - this exposes some "real" rock so they come and hammer some more. Charmouth also has a fossil shop. A little further around the coast is the bizarre Chessil Beach (far away in time )help but sing where I believe Lal Hitchcock gathers driftwood and the like for her sculptures. Her work was on exhibition as part of a Dorset art week last year but I was unable to get there. brian _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 02:44:43 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Westerberg (100%) Beatles (100%) RH (0%) Found this today.. pretty cool cover of Nowhere man (acoustic) by Mr. Westerberg... if anyone is interested here is the link.... http://pinko.net/~shaun/Paul_Westerberg_Nowhere_Man.mp3 Herbie np -> "Instant Karma" J. Lennon ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:44:12 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Dragon, Chills, Birds grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > > The other strange > thing about the kakapo is its call, a deep hollow booming noise that sounds > like someone hitting a kettledrum. and like all bass noises, is completely nondirectional. So the female kakapo hasn't got a chance of finding the ardently booming male... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:54:27 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Dogs, BNirds n Birth Viv Lyon wrote: > > Man, are they awesome > little birds. I think they're a fair trade-off for fireflies (which do not > grace the Pacific Northwest). Hummingbirds AND lightning bugs are the two mitigating factors that summer in Catherine's home town of Liberty, MO, bearable. Fireflies are the nearest thing to magic to this northerner. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:47:07 -0500 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: Westerberg (100%) Beatles (100%) RH (0%) It's from the soundtrack to the movie I AM SAM and is due in stores today. The soundtrack is all Beatle's covers. http://www.iamsammovie.com/ - -Larry |-----Original Message----- |From: Mike Swedene [mailto:pulp_101@yahoo.com] |Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:45 AM |To: 2 For The Price of 1 |Subject: Westerberg (100%) Beatles (100%) RH (0%) | | |Found this today.. |pretty cool cover of Nowhere man (acoustic) |by Mr. Westerberg... if anyone is interested here is |the link.... | |http://pinko.net/~shaun/Paul_Westerberg_Nowhere_Man.mp3 | |Herbie | |np -> "Instant Karma" J. Lennon | | | |===== |--------------------------------------------- |View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: |http://midy.topcities.com/ |_____________________________________________ |Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! |http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:13:27 -0500 From: "n'woj" Subject: robyn at the garage the garage in london is listing robyn as playing there on friday, january 25th at 8pm, with support by matt keating. tickets are #12 in advance. also, i see that grant lee phillips is doing the two prior nights at the garage, so i wouldn't be surprised if robyn made a surprise appearance on the 24th (seeing that he's at the pressure point in brighton on the 23rd). woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:17:25 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Another Mere Mortal >The pair is undeterred by the fact that even Cinerama management >doesn't >yet know whether the movie will play at the theater. That is so funny. Sometimes the fans a phenomana attract are all you need to know about the phenomana. Unfortunely I have also been exposed to the trailer for ROTC, so I now know -more- than I need to know. - ------------------- I want hummingbirds, fireflys, northern lights(which Ive never seen), tropical coves, glaciers, caves, flashing skies, seasons, astonishing gardins, all the cultural riches of a world-class city and some nice gothic ruins. All at the same time. Sigh. Kay, the usual mere mortal _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:20:01 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: iMac and bye Dave On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Fric Chaud wrote: > I see that a 800Mhz Mac "crushes" a 2200Mhz P4. That silly- > looking case must be much heavier than it looks! Ah, I knew an iMac mention would draw a response from Fric! ;) I don't know if Apple has specifically claimed that an 800Mhz Mac "crushes" a 2200Mhz P4. However, you have to remember that measuring computer speed in Mhz is like measuring walking speed in steps per hour (St/h). Is a 2200 St/h walker faster than an 800 St/h walker? Answer: we have no idea, until we know how much distance each one covers per step. Same with Mhz. By all reports I've seen, G3 and G4 based Macs are faster than Pentiums at the same clock speed, but not "twice as fast," as Apple claims, except on a few tasks that have been optimized for the Mac. I strongly doubt that 800 Mhz Macs are faster than high-end 2200 Mhz Pentium machines. But I would bet that a 700 or 800 Mhz iMac is faster than its real competitors, 1000 and 1300 Mhz consumer-level Wintel boxes from BestBuy and CompUSA. And I promise I'll shut up on this topic now. In other news, RIP Dave Thomas, founder of the Wendy's fast food chain. Now, I'm not one to gloat over someone's death just because I found them annoying ... but I *am* eagerly anticipating an end to those incredibly irritating Wendy's commercials. Now if that Pepsi girl would just hit a growth spurt and get fired, things would really be looking up. - --Chris np: mp3s from the 2001 Soft Boys tour ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #8 ******************************