From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #7 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, January 7 2002 Volume 11 : Number 007 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Memento (warning: big effin' spoilers) [The Great Quail ] The Condition Of The Virgin ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Hyper-realism ["Redtailed Hawk" ] dogs part 2 (the version Keith Moon liked) ["ross taylor" ] Tolkien ["Rob" ] A Robyn reference? [Christopher Gross ] RE: A Robyn reference? ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: Memento (warning: big effin' spoilers) [Eb ] Feg makes good [Glen Uber ] Re: A Robyn reference? [Glen Uber ] Re: Dragon, Chills, Birds [grutness@surf4nix.com] more birds, Lyme Regis, Ute [grutness@surf4nix.com] New Email & some news [Tom Clark ] somebody kill them...please kill them now [Eb ] Re: now *here* is a great film! [Ken Weingold ] Re: now *here* is a great film! [Ken Weingold ] RE: New Email & some news ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: now *here* is a great film! [Ken Weingold ] Re: New Email & some news [bayard ] Re: New Email & some news [Tom Clark ] Re: New Email & some news [Capuchin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:04:55 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Memento (warning: big effin' spoilers) Capuchin writes about "Memento," >Really? I felt like the movie was practically designed to eliminate the >need for repeat viewing. I mean, every question that you have is answered >a scene or two later. >This was a central plot point. I can't imagine how you could have gotten >anything out of the first viewing if major things like this required a >second viewing to pick out. And so on..... Jeme -- Is there any way you could have written your criticism of "Memento" without painting Eb out to be an idiot for failing to see what is "obvious" to a superior intellect such as yourself? I would be willing to bet that most people failed to see her remove all the pens on the first viewing. Certainly everyone I saw the movie with did. And so on to your other smug points. While I agree that the narrative conceit has been done before (which didn't detract from my own enjoyment of this film), and I can see what you are saying about the movie giving you all the clues, your review felt insulting and arrogant in the extreme -- not to the film, but to your fellow film-goers. Just thought you'd like to know, - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:15:14 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: now *here* is a great Ute TGQ opined: > PS: Yaaaay Ute Lemper, who actually makes "Ute" a sexy name! See also 'Roger Waters - The Wall live in Berlin 1989,' Track 2, "The Thin Ice" if you don't believe him... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:16:43 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: The Condition Of The Virgin I mostly enjoyed Boothby Graffoe's The Condition of the Virgin on Friday, though I haven't listened to it all yet. I think Robyn had just one song, repeated in bits throughout the play. The play itself seems to be slightly sub-Flann O'Brien in tone. Amusing enough, in parts. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:18:18 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Dogs, BNirds n Birth Still looking to find out who "The Skydiggers" are. The song,"I'm Wondering" is quite good. It sorta sounds like John Prine or Dan Bern with some rock in the folk. - ------------------------------------------------- Ross on Morris(William, that is): >I also like that he wasn't entirely a stud, I >think his wife was pretty steadily screwing >Rossetti. Or have I got that mixed? Not at all. Morris's prodigious activity seemed to have stopped short of sex. I dont even rememeber reading of him ever having an affair with anyone. How he had 2 kids is perhaps an anomolly. Plus he was pretty tolerant of Jane and Rossetti. Take a look at Ken Russel's "Dante's Inferno" for more of the details. If you dare;-) If his books are any clue he certaily seemed to adore woman.And lord knows he was a creative banshee. However one of his kids, May, was an important needlewoman. She worked with Yeats's sisters and/or daughter that way, as well as being part of Candace Wheeler's embroidery education. Sorry for the total digression--but needlecrafts/textiles are how woman created unrecognized art for centuries, so I plug it whenever I can. Candace Wheeler was an early confederate of Louis Comfomfort Tiffant, notice how everyone's heard of him, few of her. - ----------------------------------- Nat: >Was there plenty of vernix? (a white cheesy substance which protects >the >baby's skin fromamniotic fluid) Thank you Nat. I'd forgotten what the word for that was. Katie was so covered with it we couldnt tell at first what color her long locks were. I think it would make a great adjective. Vernixal? >I wish I could see birds of prey more often So come East in the fall and stay here for a few days. Hawk Mountain is amazing, hundreds upon hundreds during the migration. Plus youre up on this pinnacle above an autumnal valley with the perfect glassy river below. One thing I loved about hawking is what a good excuse it was for being out and about outdooors. I bet I'd also like bird-watching but I most often pick up hobbies from friends, and I've yet to be have anyone volunteer to drag me into the woods with them. So Ill content myself with the local robins, crows, sparrows and morning doves. We've tried luring more with feeders, but so far no luck. In the Carabean you get the most beautiful humming birds. Ive always wondered how the american(and the NZ--black you say-- thats sounds like a crow in robin's clothing) robin got dubbed a robin, since they do look like different birds. - --------------------------------------------- Tom--I wonder if Colleen is going to consider changing gynos. As I am sure you know, there's alot more recovery involved for a C-section. With a constantly awaking and feeding newborn that puts alot of stress on the mom(and dad.) So good luck with all that. Do you rememeber sleep? It took me -forever- to dilate, but my gyno urged me to hang in there and, somehow, I did. - --------------------------------------------- Steve: >Grover Norquist probably held a raffle to decide which lucky Clinton >hater got to do in poor Buddy. You know, living in a semi-civilized part of the Northeast I forget how people can hate Clinton so much. The vitrol slung around on the Bichon ls has been amazing. It seems it was all Bill and Hillarys faults because they are horrible, like its not a sad but common occaison for a workman to leave a gate open. And this from people who hand-feed their dogs, don't let them on grass and will only breed a dog if its nose is the right color. I'm considering posting a note asking what the proper color description is for a Bichon whose been happily romping in the compost pile for a hour, but I'm trying - -real- hard to be nice. - ------------------------------------------------- Kay All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed. Sean O'Casey _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:51:41 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Hyper-realism Jeme: >Why any civilized city dweller would want a creature bred for hunting >or >bloody combat to live on their homestead is beyond me. Completely agree with you there. Dogs love to run, they need it. Even Corey thrives on a long hike. I hate seeing big dogs with inadequite room for their energy. Its cruel. Why we got a short-legged Bichon and not a big Poodle. >Is there such a thing as realistic expressionism? I'm thinking of >something between Mark Ryden and Odd Nerdrum. Maybe a better term is >"hyper-realism" (though that probably means something else). I'm thinking >of realistic depections of exaggerated reality that represents, in >allegory or symbolism, some abstract concept or emotion. I like your term but by your description it sounds like Romantacism. BTW--your observation on TRT changes it from a "wanna see" to a "must see" for me. - ----------------------------------------------------------- Stewart: >(who has a terrible soft spot for dogs like Tosa inu, ridgebacks, Poor Nat, dog stories everywhere. An unbelieveably graceful Rodesian Ridgeback plays in Corey's dog gang at the park. I'd never seen one sprint before--wow. And a sweet temperment too. - ------------------------------------------------ Eb Somehow I missed Prospero's Book, twhich makes no sense, since I love the Tempest and like Greenway. Was that a rec or a crit? - ------------------------------------------------------------- Kay All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed. Sean O'Casey _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:07:52 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: dogs part 2 (the version Keith Moon liked) I've always been interested by the different roles of dogs in the US & UK (at least late 80s England, recently Ireland). In America they're still often the furry gun, at least to strangers. I have fond memories of our family mutt, named Sugarplum, but my wife never had a pet & is scared of dogs and some of this was passed on to our daughter for a while. Seeing dogs thru their eyes I realized how often folks here use dogs to keep people at a distance. My wife & I have both been bitten while jogging on suburban streets. But even if the dog is OK you can tell the role the owner wants for him, glaring at you & pulling hard on the leash, like "No, Killer! Do not attack unless I give the command!" While Killer is just lolling his tongue out & looking around like "Hi-ya, how-are-ya?" In the UK it seems like most dogs are loved pets curled up under somebody's stool at the pub or doing some ridiculous prancing dance to beg for a chocolate. - --- Admittedly, some people also use their kids as weapons, i.e. "If you don't give me service right now my kids are gonna demolish your bookstore." There's also the thing where people are apparently ambivalent about their kids & end up leaving you to save their kids' lives. - --- Owls-- There are screech-owls in residential areas now. I can do a passable imitation. They give a fast hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo, like a slowed-down recording of a Little Richard whooo, as if Little Richard was a ghost. Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:35:57 -0800 (PST) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: Dogs, BNirds n Birth On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Redtailed Hawk wrote: > In the Carabean you get the most beautiful humming birds. We get them here, too. I have a hummingbird feeder that I keep forgetting to put up. They used to come 'round to our old apartment of their own accord, due to the flowering bush in our back yard. Man, are they awesome little birds. I think they're a fair trade-off for fireflies (which do not grace the Pacific Northwest). Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:11:56 -0000 From: "Rob" Subject: Tolkien Some interesting stuff about Tolkien at this website - interesting to me anyway, I hadn't realised he was quite so closely associated with the area I was born and grew up in. www.birmingham.gov.uk/tolkien - -- Rob PS Just booked tickets to see Robyn at the Garage on the 25th, managed to get some free train tickets so I can get there. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:23:08 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: A Robyn reference? Haven't managed to see a picture yet, but according to all accounts I've read, Apple's new iMac looks rather like ... an anglepoise lamp. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:06:57 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: A Robyn reference? Chris: >Haven't managed to see a picture yet, but according to all accounts I've >read, Apple's new iMac looks rather like ... an anglepoise lamp. Try here: http://www.timecanada.com/weekly/070102/gr/TopPhoto_140102.jpg I'm sure there are more (& better) pictures out there, but that's the first one I found. ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. 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To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:20:50 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Memento (warning: big effin' spoilers) Capuchin deftly executed his usual bucket-o-cold-water, suck-the-life-out-of-the-room routine: > > Like how Natalie shrewdly removed the pens from the desk before >> starting the big "Your wife is a fucking cunt" fight > >This was a central plot point. I can't imagine how you could have gotten >anything out of the first viewing if major things like this required a >second viewing to pick out. Well, the problem here is that I (and everyone else) isn't nearly as smart as you. Please have patience with us mortals. >This is where we get the... well, the POINT of the movie: Leonard's >perspective is fucked. He can't know the truth from a lie. >This calls into question his notes, pictures, tattoos... everything. Well, it was obvious that Natalie lied about who beat her up, in order to use Leonard as a hitman. The subtler detail about her hiding the pens before the fight, so he couldn't write down the memory later, was easier to miss. At least, for us mortals. The first time I saw it, I was paying attention to other things when she quickly shoveled the pens into her purse, and just thought "Oh, what rotten luck -- Leonard can't find a pen!" > > or how the bloody photo of the murderous Leonard is shown in *black >> and white* the first time, so you don't realize there's blood until >> later. Brilliant. > >I don't know if it's Brilliant, per se. He's pointing at the empty spot >and has a smile. Seemed pretty straightforward to me. The first time you see the snapshot, you don't realize there's any blood because the image is black-and-white. Leonard just looks, well, "dirty." The second time (when it's shown in color), you do see the blood. Not straightforward by any definition. The first time, information is consciously withheld from the viewer in a very clever way. >It was good and I didn't feel like I wasted my time, but beyond the >gimmicks, there wasn't much to it. All tricks, no art. And even worse, no aliens, gnomes or comic-book references. Someone else wrote: >I love the soundtrack for "Silence Of the Lambs"! I think it's one major >reason why that movie works so well. Always thought that movie was drastically overrated. And lordy, I miss the screwball fun of Jonathan Demme's early films, now that he has become A Serious Filmmaker. Ever seen "Citizen's Band" (alternately called "Handle With Care")? Awww, what a delightful, underrated film. "Married to the Mob," "Melvin and Howard," "Something Wild"...all great. And then Demme went all sober and PC, and flung himself into that sodden, Oscar-begging "Philadelphia." And he has never been the same again. Eb, bummed that Abel Gance's silent epic "Napoleon" was shown on TCM this week, and I missed it np: Einsturzende Neubauten/Strategies Against Architecture III (a little disappointing, when compared with the first two SAA compilations) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:22:49 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Feg makes good Wow! The first the new iMac and now this. On the same day, no less. Congratulations, Tom! I can't wait to get my hands on one of these. http://www.moxi.com - -- Cheers! - -g- "The last time I paid that much for a beer, I got to lick it off a naked breast." - --Me, 1-3-02, after paying $4.30 for a pint of IPA at a local restaurant ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:24:05 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: A Robyn reference? On 1/7/02 12:06 PM, "Poole, R. Edward" wrote: > Chris: > >> Haven't managed to see a picture yet, but according to all accounts I've >> read, Apple's new iMac looks rather like ... an anglepoise lamp. > > Try here: http://www.timecanada.com/weekly/070102/gr/TopPhoto_140102.jpg > > I'm sure there are more (& better) pictures out there, but that's the first > one I found. Apple finally got around to putting it up at their site: http://www.apple.com - -- Cheers! - -g- "We're all different versions of the same thing." - --Robyn Hitchcock, "Statue With A Walkman" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:20:09 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: Dragon, Chills, Birds >grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: >> >> corvids are indeed a peculiar bunch (sadly a bunch that is almost totally >> absent from NZ). But if you want weird, try parrots. > >The kea and friends are rather neatly covered in Dougals Adams & Mark >Carwardine's book "Last Chance To See", ISBN: 0330320025. > >But it mainly covers the wonderful kakapo, the out-evolved flightless >parrot that still thinks it can fly when in a panic. I've never seen one - they're very rare - but they're one of the country's big aims for conservation (ISTR when I was living in the UK that there was a similar sort of effort being made with the osprey). The other strange thing about the kakapo is its call, a deep hollow booming noise that sounds like someone hitting a kettledrum. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:20:16 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: more birds, Lyme Regis, Ute >From: "Brian Hoare" >Subject: Re: birds > >>Sigh. I miss kestrels... and barn owls, and puffins, and British robins, >>and tits (no smart comments, please). But if I moved from NZ I'd miss >>fantails and bellbirds and grey herons and kereru* just as much. > >I don't get to see barn owls very often. My dad, a vet, had one brought in >with a broken wing once so I got to see it close up - a very beautiful >creature. the ones that lived opposite where I lived - if I was outside in the garden at dusk, sometimes this totally silent white shape would swoop across the garden. Scared the crap out of me the first time I saw it, until I realised what was going on. Those things are absolutely silent - the Rolls Royce of birds (perhaps Stealth Bomber would be a better analogy). >I once knew a couple of crusty urban acid heads that were keen twitchers. :) what a great combination! >RH content: I have a strong desire to see Robyn do an acoustic set at the >sea front at Lyme Regis. Such a beautiful bay and town. and IIRC home of some of the world's first discovered dinosaur remains. >Yaaaay Germans, who think Ute is an acceptable woman's name! here in NZ, a Ute is what yanks call a Pickup - a 'utility vehicle'. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:04:25 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: New Email & some news Yo fegs, For those who care, please notice I've re-subscribed from my mac.com address instead of reardensteel.com. While tclark@reardensteel.com will still work for incoming mail, all my outgoing mail from that account will be changed to my new corporate address: tclark@moxi.com Why moxi.com? Because we're finally out of the closet! We debuted at CES in Las Vegas today among much hoopla and, I suspect, ballyhoo. Please feel free to get the whole story at the moxi.com website. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:05:46 -0800 From: Eb Subject: somebody kill them...please kill them now http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/News/01/07/showbuzz/index.html#4 Wanna see 'Star Wars'? Get in line SEATTLE, Washington (AP) -- The new "Star Wars" movie doesn't open until May 16, but John Guth and Jeff Tweiten already have their spots in line. Guth, 32, and Tweiten, 24, took their places outside the Cinerama theater on January 1. They plan to wait there, taking snooze breaks in sleeping bags or a nearby van, for more than four months, until the curtain opens on "Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones." The pair is undeterred by the fact that even Cinerama management doesn't yet know whether the movie will play at the theater. Guth is president of the Seattle Star Wars Society and Tweiten is one of the club's roughly 1,200 members. Guth said donations from society members cover food costs. They're killing time in line reading, watching movies on a portable DVD player and talking to people waiting for more current fare. "I admire their enthusiasm for the movie, but as it's been proven in the past, everyone who wants to see this or any other film will be able to get tickets for it," said Brian Callaghan, spokesman for General Cinema, which manages the Cinerama. And if the movie should open elsewhere locally? "Then we'll go there," Guth said. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:16:46 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: now *here* is a great film! On Mon, Jan 7, 2002, Capuchin wrote: > About fifteen years ago, my friend Ryan Johnson got a fancy stereo > component system with a CD player. I rushed over to his house to see the > thing and play some disks that I'd won via radio contests and stuff (I > used to be really lucky with that kind of thing... I may still be, but I > don't enter anymore). I was INCREDIBLY surprised to find that this device > didn't have ANY KIND of programming interface. I mean, you could set what > order you want the tracks to play and it had a "shuffle" button and an > "intro" mode that played the first few seconds of each track, but that was > extremely limited given the non-linear access possibilities of a digital > disc. > > I wanted to be able to tell it to play the last thirty-four seconds of > track six, up through the eighteenth second of track seven, loop from 1:10 > to 1:15 of track twelve fifteen times, then cut to 1:35 on track one and > play until 9:23 of track three. But you couldn't do anything LIKE that. > And there's no way to play faster, slower, backward, higher or lower > pitched, and so on. All of this is pretty trivial to implement in the > hardware (by today's standards), but just isn't done. You should have come over to my house about 13 years ago. My Technics SL-P555 could do pretty much all that. But like you are saying, technology seems to move away more and more from linear to non-linear. Perfect example is Laserdisc to DVD. LD can have a lot of the same functions as DVD, but in a much more linear fashion. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:21:00 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: now *here* is a great film! On Mon, Jan 7, 2002, The Great Quail wrote: > Yeah, I feel the same way about the film -- I love Peter Greenaway, > and I like "Prospero's Books," but it really is all style over > substance. Though the Nyman soundtrack is one of the best, and even > has Ute Lemper on it! Yaaaay Ute! Yeah, Downing by Numbers and The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover were really stylistic movies, but I thought they each had cool stories. But yes, style is probably their forte. I think I was 18 when The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover came out. You actually had to show ID for 18 to get in! - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:21:30 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: New Email & some news TC: >Why moxi.com? Because we're finally out of the closet! We debuted at CES >in Las Vegas today among much hoopla and, I suspect, ballyhoo. Please feel >free to get the whole story at the moxi.com website. Congrats! For more hoopla, ballyhoo and loopy blather, try: http://www.msnbc.com/news/682526.asp?0dm=-12EK Anything described as "A Couch Potato's Digital Dream" is sure to catch my attention. My TiVo and iPod have tried to block my access to Moxi news -- they jealously guard their "favorite digital video toy" and "favorite digital audio toy" titles, respectively. Now, all you need is a Moxi to iPod (or iPod-like device) interface, so I can easily transport my all-in-one digital media, and I'm hooked for good. ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:25:30 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: now *here* is a great film! On Wed, Dec 26, 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Sad to hear they fucked up the DVD - that was going to be my first DVD > purchase (quite possibly my motivation to even buy a DVD player). > > No, I'm not typing this on a manual typewriter. Heh. My first DVD was Casablanca. How anti-climactic. Though they did a wonderful job with the transfer, it was hardly taking advantage of the capabilities of DVD. Not even the Dolby Digital light showed up on my receiver, since it's DD 2.0! :) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:52:29 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: Re: New Email & some news cool, tom. but i'm curious: "The wireless network will make it possible to connect the Media Center set-top box to remote televisions with the purchase of a $36 Media Center Extension. The remote television will share all of the capabilities of the base station, like recording programs, watching live shows and listening to CD's. Although it is technically possible to play DVD's remotely, because of intellectual property restrictions that function is not included in the system. " ... why are DVD's considered intellectual properties, but not CD's? Just wondering. - -- http://glasshotel.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:19:22 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: New Email & some news on 1/7/02 2:52 PM, bayard at bayard@bitmine.net wrote: > cool, tom. but i'm curious: > > "The wireless network will make it possible to connect the Media Center > set-top box to remote televisions with the purchase of a $36 Media Center > Extension. The remote television will share all of the capabilities of the > base station, like recording programs, watching live shows and listening > to CD's. Although it is technically possible to play DVD's remotely, > because of intellectual property restrictions that function is not > included in the system. " > > ... why are DVD's considered intellectual properties, but not CD's? Just > wondering. That is an issue I'm familiar with, but not enough so to write actual words about. I'm sure Jeme can fill us all in. Basically, the DVD spec is far more restrictive than the CD spec, due to the era in which each one came out. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:20:54 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: New Email & some news On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, bayard wrote: > cool, tom. but i'm curious: > > "The wireless network will make it possible to connect the Media Center > set-top box to remote televisions with the purchase of a $36 Media Center > Extension. The remote television will share all of the capabilities of the > base station, like recording programs, watching live shows and listening > to CD's. Although it is technically possible to play DVD's remotely, > because of intellectual property restrictions that function is not > included in the system. " > > ... why are DVD's considered intellectual properties, but not CD's? Just > wondering. It's a licensing restriction related to the DVD Content Scrambling System. In order to implement CSS, you have to get a license from the DVDCCA (an cross-industry cartel seeking to control every aspect of DVD use, public and private) that prevents you from having any kind of digital DVD output. Yeah, that's right. The discs have high-res digital video, but you have to output one of three or four types of old-style analog video output to see it. One company has already been sued for merely presenting a prototype DVD player with an HDTV output interface at a tradeshow. What the Moxi really needs is a high-speed ethernet port and an http server to serve up those files (audio, video, and program information) to your home network and multi-purpose computers. But Tom already knows my gripe with set-top boxes... from a purely hypothetical discussion, of course. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #7 ******************************