From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #2 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, January 3 2002 Volume 11 : Number 002 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Movies, Music, Staves [lj lindhurst ] oh, and [lj lindhurst ] 2001 Movies ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: my winter hols [Eb ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #1 ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: PS [Miles Goosens ] Re: Movies, Music, Staves [Eb ] The Holy Grail of Bad Cinema [Eb ] Re: The Holy Grail of Bad Cinema ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Dogs [Glen Uber ] Re: Dogs ["victorian squid" ] Re: Hobbit songs [steve ] Re: Hobbit songs [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Fw: Dogs ["noe shalev" ] Re: Dogs [Eb ] Re: Dogs [scruss@enterprise.net] Re: Dogs [The Great Quail ] Re: my winter hols [gSs ] speaking of dogs [lj lindhurst ] ramble on ["ross taylor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:07:32 -0500 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: Movies, Music, Staves Top Five Quail Conversations 2001 (so far) 1. Lord of the Rings-the book 2. Lord of the Rings-the Movie 3. Lord of the Rings-Future Movies 4. "Lord of the Rings If I was the Casting Director" 5. Hitler ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:08:30 -0500 From: lj lindhurst Subject: oh, and Yes yes, congratulations Tom on the arrival of your placenta! And the accompanying baby! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:31:25 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: 2001 Movies >Top Five Quail 2001 Movies (so far) >1. Lord of the Rings >2. Moulin Rouge >3. Memento >4. Mullholland Drive >5. The Others Ah, I'm guessing you haven't seen The Royal Tennebaums yet -- I don't think that The Others' place in the top 5 will survive after you do. I saw TRT on Sunday ... then again Monday. Yes, it's that good. Think about everything you liked about Rushmore (assuming, as I must among such stalwarts of good taste that make up this list, that you DID like Rushmore) - -- the great soundtrack, the nearly painting-like cinematography, the deft blending of comedy and drama, the excellent acting by the ensemble cast -- and up the ante a bit on each count for TRT. The cast was perfect, and, IMNSHO, they should garner 2-3 Oscar nominations -- Gene (he was, indeed, pretty mean, but you d, indeed, feel bad for Gene by the end), Angelica Huston, Luke & Owen Wilson, Gwyneth Paltrow, Ben Stiller, Bill Murray -- all great. The soundtrack boasts great & fitting tunes by Nico (solo, not VU), The Velvet Underground (sans Nico), Elliott Smith (of that "Godforsaken" land, according to Eb, in the top left corner), Ramones, The Clash, and, perhaps most effectively, The Vince Guaraldi Trio's Charlie Brown Christmas theme. The direction/cinematography/art direction (which, really, must be described together) was so beautiful -- every frame like a carefully balanced Renaissance painting, with color, hue, background/foreground, and blocking all carefully (and often symmetrically) arranged. Lots of funny bits and great jokes, balanced with (at times heavy) dramatic elements. Really, just superb, and highly recommended. And so, I present My Top 5 of 2001: 1. 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To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:34:38 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: my winter hols >My major beef with the film was the fucking soundtrack. When, OH >WHEN, are we going to put a moratiorium on "Carmina Burana"-style >chanting and (*shudder*) NEW-AGEY CELTIC MUSIC in films??? Word. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:55:28 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #1 >Though, I would much rather have had real >traditional music used rather than Enya. To be honest, I'm tired of hearing *any* Celtic music used in films... for some reason everyone started using penny-whistles and pseudo-Irish themes in scores a few years ago, culminating in the atrocity of "Titanic," and the trend staggers on into the new millenium like Shane MacGowan with a raging hangover. (Now, if the Pogues did film scores... that'd be another matter entirely.) >And I for one *missed* all the Tolkein songs! I hear that they decided to cut the songs after Elijah Wood refused to dance around on top of a table and sing about the cow jumping over the moon. But that's just a rumor, mind you. >...and the orcs are scored with a battery of >unholy percussion, something maybe out of a Mickey Hart meets >Neubauten nightmare.... Harry Partch, you fool! :P n. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:03:34 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: PS At 02:47 AM 12/31/2001 -0800, Eb wrote: >This is one of the most brilliantly designed links pages I've ever >seen: http://www.lilypad.demon.co.uk/bragg/ Indeed. However, it needs a Northern Line that would intersect with Robyn at the "Bingo Hand Job" station. I'm voting for Clapham Common as the Bingo Hand Job station, unless someone here has first-hand knowledge of a more likely Northern Line candidate. :-) later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:14:26 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Movies, Music, Staves >Having said that, I think the score was still a cut above the >standard Hollywood Williams/Zimmer/Horner tripe, and the main theme >was quite good. Mm...actually, I've been wishing that I graded the music a B- instead of a B in the previous LOTR post. An epic like that *needs* a great score, and I felt like I never really "noticed" the music during the entire film. Well, except at the very end when Enya started warbling, and then I felt the same exasperation which Natalie did. I don't recall ever appreciating a Howard Shore soundtrack before, and this film was no different. I just looked up his credits on the ever-invaluable IMDB site, and I can't say any of those scores made an impression on me. But it was interesting to learn that David Cronenberg seems to have been Shore's "mentor," as far as film work goes. Didn't know that. I did remember that Shore led the SNL band for awhile, however. I rewatched most of one of my favorite films, last night: "The Conversation." One of the best films of the '70s. Now there was a compelling score! Incidentally, it sure was depressing to watch the movie trailers prior to LOTR. The threadbare recycling of ideas was hard to miss (and of course, even Lord of the Rings is "recycled"). There were trailers for the Blade sequel, the Scooby Doo movie, the Rollerball remake (in which Chris Klein seems *terribly* miscast) and Spiderman. Good f*ckin' gawd. Not to mention the ongoing prominence of Ocean's 11, and a large standup card for the reissued E.T. And can't you *feel* the excitement in the air over the coming A-Team film? Meanwhile, there was a poster in the lobby for some idiotic Josh Hartnett film in which the poor hunky heartthrob apparently bets he can go 40 days without having sex. Oh nooooooooooo. Just imagine the wacky repercussions *that* premise will have! Other films supposedly coming soon: a black version of A Star is Born (directed by Oliver "Satan" Stone...oh, what a joy this one will be), The Bachelor & the Bobbysoxer, Barbarella, Captain America, The Cat in the Hat, Charlie & the Chocolate Factory, Fahrenheit 451, The Fantastic Four, Fat Albert, Father Knows Best, Get Smart, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Hogan's Heroes, Herbie the Love Bug, HR Pufnstuf, Helter Skelter, I Spy, The Incredible Mr. Limpet, The Incredible Shrinking Man, Land of the Lost, The Lion The Witch & The Wardrobe, Logan's Run, Malcolm in the Middle: The Movie, Peter Pan, The Pink Panther, The Phantom of the Opera, The Phantom Tollbooth, The Powerpuff Girls, Red Dwarf, The Secret Life of Walter Mitty, The Simpsons Movie...well, I just can't bear to skim this upcoming-release list any further. And *please* tell me someone's joking about this proposed Easy Rider sequel. Eb, always amused at Quail's ongoing rage at John Williams ;) now hating: Mushroomhead (is it too late to make another addition to my "Worst of 2001" list?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:32:39 -0800 From: Eb Subject: The Holy Grail of Bad Cinema Revealed at last: http://www.subcin.com/clowncried.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:41:28 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: The Holy Grail of Bad Cinema >From: Eb > >Revealed at last: http://www.subcin.com/clowncried.html Theater of the bizarre, my friends and I were discussing this film over the weekend, in fact I came home to find a lengthy article in my snail mail. Small world indeed. See The Royal Tennenbaums, Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:16:12 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Secret box >In other New Zealand news, the kindly postperson delivered the Chills' >"Secret Box" to my very doorstep on New Year's Eve.[...] I must say that >Martin >Phillipps was a damn good songwriter for a 19-year-old, and I am also struck >by how little his stuff sounded like music being made in England and the US >at the time. (Though it probably sounded a lot like music being made in NZ >at the time.) yeah, a bit. Back at that time the NZ music scene was dominated by Split Enz and a bunch of bands that were sort of more advanced versions of the pub rock ideal (Dragon, Th'Dudes), plus a few quirky new-wavers (The Crocodiles, The Swingers). On the local scene Martin would have been much more likely to have been interested in the likes of The Enemy and Toy Love (Chris Knox's first two bands) and the Clean. Dunedin has always been an isolated place, but it took to punk with a vengeance (about two years after the event). Martin has always been a big fan of - as his song says - Randy Newman, Scott Walker, Brian Wilson, Syd Barrett, and Nick Drake. His music definitely fits into that pigeon-hole of "the Dunedin sound" that local musicians tend to dislike, so yeah, a bit... Reading between the lines of what Martin's said to me, BTW, there could be a second secret box at some time in the future. I said I was disappointed his live take on "Matthew and Son" wasn't in the box, and he said something like 'well, the live stuff on this box only goes up to about 1985. That's in the later stuff I'm still wading through.' As to Brit bands that sound like the Chills, the nearest would probably be House of Love. I can remember hearing some of the songs on the Butterfly album and thinking they were very Phillipps-like. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:22:14 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Just what the list needs... Yup...another LOTR review;-) It was actually good enough that part of me wished I hadn't even read the book so that I could have been as suprised as I was pleased by the action. My daughter, who spent half of it on one or the other parent's laps(its scary) loved it. My husband, whose read and re-read Tolkein past counting, loved it. And yeah, I loved it too. We'll be going back. The writing, plot choices, scenery, dialog were all excellent. Plus the acting was unusually good for this sort of thing, especially Gandolph, Boromir, Gladerial, Bilbo and Aragorn (basically all the more complex characters.) And Liv Tyler was fine after all. And while the music didn't knock my socks off, at least it wasn't the sort of StarWarzianzak that usually pummels the audience during such spectaculars. My one single caval is minor but still... Annoyed the shit out of me. It was too pretty. Now this worked perfectly in the Shire--an Eden where Morris's leftest utopian Merry Olde meets Chesterton's rightest utopian Merry Olde and breaks for ale with some of the quainter provincials from Chaucer, Shakes, Goldsmith, Lamb and Dickens. Glorious, couldn't have been better. The problem was with the elven realms-- Rivendell and Lothlorien. Now, its obvious that the designers had done overtime on their homework and studied Tolkein's drawings. What they ran into is a problem as old as beauty itself--which is how to convey the sublime. Somehow, the drawings and painting have all preserved a slightly spare sensibility--an elongated sparseness, almost starkness, that mitagated gainst twee. But not so in the movie. Theres a sense of wedding-cake prettyness here, too much sugar and not enough strong but subtle flavoring. Beholding Rivendell or Lothlorien should induce a tremor of awe along with intense delight. Not a faint queasy sense of surfiet. Part of it is the lighting. The lighting effects were just tooooo cute--I hated how it reminded me of a Thomas Kincaid painting. What makes beauty so ... itself is that it is -nothing- but itself. Its not pretty or nice or sweet. Its beyond them and greater since in some weird way, it includes and harmonizes its own opposite(wait--now Im heading into the creation myth from the Simillarian. Back girl, back;-). Nature grasps it all the time but for humans to get the right balance is rare and perhaps too much for me to expect here. Hell, its only a movie. But there was part of me that hoped for it and cherished that hope as a fate devoutly to be wished for. Ohh--and while I'm the subject--I think they let the lighting guy, artist, computer or whatever run rampant. In -every- shot, for -every- actor, it seemed that every character had the tiny-tiniest pupils and the biggest, most iradescent irises. This is an effect which only occurs in the real world when someone is looking directly into intense light. For it to occur with every character in a dimly-lit scene is just, am I using this old-fashioned Brit slang word correctly, naff? Alright--I'm too visual a person. I admit it. And could pick a nit from a to zit. One thing I loved about this movie is how true it was to Tolkein, the spirit was there. The way he saw things, what he thought was significent, all the important stuff was conveyed and conveyed well. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:33:03 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Dogs Since I am deep in the throws of dog-love, I was wondering... There are loads of cat refs on Feg and in Robyn, but 1)does -anyone- else own a dog here and 2)are there any Robyn lyrics applicable to dogdom? Or is this like my meat-eating, a strange and curious abberation which the tribe kindly looks the other way on? Kay the Barbarian _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:53:55 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Dogs On 1/2/02 5:33 PM, "Redtailed Hawk" wrote: > There are loads of cat refs on Feg and in Robyn, but 1)does -anyone- else > own a dog here While I never use the word "own" when describing my relationships with my animal companions, I feel compelled to answer. I am the guardian/provider/human caretaker of a 15 year old welsh terrier/cocker spaniel mix named Elvis. He also answers to the name Grubby (which he is). To tie it in with Robyn, Elvis' birthday is March 3. Because I have only recently moved into a place where I could keep Elvis, he has always lived with my mom and stepfather. I have "visitation rights" however and pay all the bills. It's like being a divorced dad in a way. > and 2)are there any Robyn lyrics applicable to dogdom? The only obvious dog song by Robyn is "Wey Wey Hep A Hole". There's also the "curled up like two dogs" reference in "Linctus House". > Or is this like my meat-eating, a strange and curious abberation which the > tribe kindly looks the other way on? I know a few of us are plant haters, but on the whole, isn't the list pretty much omnivorous? I wonder how many fellow bird lovers there are on this list? I have one budgie named Navajo and one Cockatiel named Lola, so named because when I got her, I didn't know if she was a male or female. Recently deceased is another budgie named Lieutenant Hodges, or "Louie" for short. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." - --Ernest Hemingway ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 18:23:58 -0800 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: Dogs On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:33:03 Redtailed Hawk wrote: > 1)does -anyone- else own a dog here My family had several dogs when I was growing up. The family dog (a Bedlington terrier) slept in my cradle. My first word was dog. I just have never lived in a place where the landlord would let us have one. Doug and I are planning to get two when we get into our own house. Frankly, I may catch flak for this, but I don't like cats that much. I have now and then known individual cats that I liked, but as a rule, I don't understand the cat thing. loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:51:47 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Hobbit songs On Wednesday, January 2, 2002, at 01:55 PM, Natalie Jane wrote: > I hear that they decided to cut the songs after Elijah Wood refused to > dance around on top of a table and sing about the cow jumping over the > moon. But that's just a rumor, mind you. Jackson has said that there will be up to 30 minutes of extra footage on the DVD of FOTR, most of which will be a Hobbit gathering at the end of a typical Hobbit day. No mention of songs, but who knows? He also said that Treebeard and the Ents will be in part 2. No surprise there, I would think. - - Steve __________ Pat Robertson's resignation this month as president of the Christian Coalition confirmed the ascendance of a new leader of the religious right in America: George W. Bush. - Dana Milbank ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:16:59 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Hobbit songs On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, steve wrote: > He also said that Treebeard and the Ents will be in part 2. No surprise > there, I would think. No...but what's really weird is that they changed the story to accommodate an appearance by Mark E. Smith in part 2. Really. Okay. Not really. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, working on that incongruity thing J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:10:21 +0200 From: "noe shalev" Subject: Fw: Dogs > There are loads of cat refs on Feg and in Robyn, but 1)does -anyone- else > own a dog here and I don't own any dogs, but she owns me. and she's a year old beautiful Rottie. (the cats by the way - and there're 7 of them now - own her) 2)are there any Robyn lyrics applicable to dogdom? > wey wey hep a hole. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:09:13 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Dogs >2)are there any Robyn lyrics applicable to dogdom? Yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip.... :) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:17:46 GMT From: scruss@enterprise.net Subject: Re: Dogs "Redtailed Hawk" wrote > > There are loads of cat refs on Feg and in Robyn, > but does -anyone- else own a dog here don't own one -- would be unfair in the move -- but my parents have had several, all of which I've loved dearly. Sadly, all of the dogs died of grisly things. I like cats; would love 'em if I wasn't so darn allergic to them. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:27:07 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Dogs Glen ubes, >I wonder how many fellow bird lovers there are on this list? As any Feg who has visited our house knows, LJ is a crazy bird person, with two white Java finches (John and Yoko), a orange canary (Liam), and a terrible green parrot named Loki, the scourge of the universe. I am not a bird person per se; the smaller birds being equivalent in my mind to flying house plants; but I am very close to Loki. I love dogs and dislike cats. I mean, there's been one or two cats I have liked in my life, but like the French, they are better taken as unique individuals than as a culture. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:42:41 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: my winter hols On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Natalie Jane wrote: > Firstly and most importantly: congratulations to the ever-expanding Clark > menage! (Tom, did you get to see the placenta???) I won't bother asking the next most obvious question, but please tell us anyway. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:17:34 -0500 From: lj lindhurst Subject: speaking of dogs I just heard on the news that Bill Clinton's dog Buddy died. He got hit by a car. That really made me sad. Poor Bill... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 15:32:56 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: ramble on Now I too have seen LOTR. Basially I'm pretty much w/ Eb -- no really strong feelings about it. I feel that in it's 178 minutes there was about a third of the charater exploration that there was in the 81 minutes of Sexy Beast. But, maybe I don't see big-screen movies enuf, but I thought it was gorgeous. I got major Pre- Rafaelite vibes from it, & it made me think back to my theory that there was some connection between LOTR (the books) and William Morris' late fantasies such as The Sundering Flood, or The Well at the World's End. I don't remember any of those books enuf to say more -- I never made it all the way thru FotR. It was funny to hear my daughter & her 12 yr. old girlfren dumping on J.K. Rowling -- "she STOLE everything from Tolkein!" Which makes me want to half-heartedly defend Rowling -- I think the slight spark in her books comes from humor about living in a post-hippie world. Something like all the kids who dreamed about being Gandalf are now grown up & are Gandalf, but w/ some sometimes mundane problems. And it's quaint that she should still be thinking that way. - --- James -- I agree that Monster's Inc. rocks. "The child threw me across the street with his mental powers." --confused monster-in-street interviewee. - --- Dancing w/ the devil-- We needed to get a new computer pretty fast & wanted a plug-in & play situation, so we got one. With XP. Our problems on our newer PC were similar to Jill & husband's, but complicated by a crash we suffered during a storm-related brownout. Our older machine is stable, but very small & slow. XP is nice & stable -- as long as you don't put it in contact w/ anything REMOTELY troublesome. Such as an exotic Compaq 1400P printer. ;) So windows has learned how to play nicely -- with itself. (To compensate I'm going to load Linux on the old machine & really learn it.) The list relevance is that I can now copy CDs. But I don't plan to do the furniture moving to get the turntable hooked up to the new PC anytime soon. - --- I used to wonder if there was any connection between The Loud Family and Lance Loud's new wave band, The Mumps. They were pretty exiting at DC's Atlantis Club (basically the old 9:30 Club w/out the back bar) in 1979. I chatted w/ Lance there, about Procol Harum. I still get a hoot out of the Mumps' "Scream & Scream Again" Ross Taylor I see that squids are in the news again Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #2 ******************************