From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #479 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, December 29 2001 Volume 10 : Number 479 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: effective cone disposal ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: effective cone disposal ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: effective cone disposal ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: effective cone disposal ["Michael Wells" ] Re: effective cone disposal ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Stewart's cone [Carole Reichstein ] Re: effective cone disposal ["Stewart C. Russell" ] "Ivy" [bayard ] Re: another reap ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Nilsson box set? ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: "Ivy" ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: effective cone disposal ["Michael Wells" ] Re: "Ivy" [Glen Uber ] RE: another reap ["Larry Tucker" ] buzzing round your chart ["ross taylor" ] Re: flies buzzin around your eyes, blood on your saddle [gSs ] Re: another reap [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: another reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: another reap [steve ] the idiot and the oddity ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Rivendell (Geddy Lee content) ["Randy R." ] Re: Stewart's cone ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: "Ivy" [bayard ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:05:28 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: effective cone disposal Why don't you ship it to yourself before you leave? Then it will be in Canada after you arrive. Max _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:17:48 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: effective cone disposal Brian Huddell wrote: > > Indeed. Do you plan to bring socks and underwear to Canada? It seems > to me that a cone stuffed with socks and underwear would... ...probably have all the artwork rubbed off by the time we got there. Cones are fragile, transient art (or, Sharpie doesn't stick to Polypropylene). Stewart - -- Stewart C. Russell, Kirkintilloch, Scotland - scruss@enterprise.net "...eat the fruit of the clue tree." - Sam Tracy http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:19:55 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: effective cone disposal Brian wrote: > > I've never seen a cone up there before. This could well be the first. It is a fine cone. > Thanks Theo for the mp3s! Did we ever determine if "Ivy" was a RH > original? I can't trace the lyrics, so far at least. But it takes forever to download. - -- Stewart C. Russell, Kirkintilloch, Scotland - scruss@enterprise.net "...eat the fruit of the clue tree." - Sam Tracy http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:18:32 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: effective cone disposal Stewart noted: > It'll be a shame to part with it. Tie it to large helium balloon, including a note inside to "ship to this address if found" (your new address in Canada). You could include a postcard of where it came from, and request that the returner write inside from where it landed. Then let the four winds have their way. You might just get it back for free (less the cost of the balloon), if it lands in civilized territory. I think it was part of the Geneva convention that all objects falling from the sky with return addresses must be returned. I think. It may be perceived as a new divine form were it to land in locales where traffic control isn't complex enough to require cones. Just guessing, but methinks the drawers of the cone would not find this to be an entirely undesirable outcome. It may land in an unpopulated area, providing interesting fodder for future archeologists. And against some pretty small odds, it may land next to your new house in Canada. Michael "helium on the brane" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:21:42 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: effective cone disposal Maximilian Lang wrote: > > Why don't you ship it to yourself before you leave? Then it will be in > Canada after you arrive. I'd rather not go to the expense of shipping. We're hoping to have a detachment from things when we move -- I'm in the process of giving away over 100kg of books. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:23:52 -0800 (PST) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: Stewart's cone Don't sell it!! No one else (as far as I know) has a Feg Cone signed by all the Soft Boys. It's a beautiful thing. Just carry it with you on your travels to Canada. You'll only regret selling it. My two cents! Carole ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:23:57 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: effective cone disposal Michael Wells wrote: > > And against some pretty small odds, it may land next to your new house in > Canada. it'd have to take the long way round; prevailing wind here is southwesterly, so it'd go up and over Siberia first. > Michael "helium on the brane" Wells not as in The Late B P ? - -- Stewart C. Russell, Kirkintilloch, Scotland - scruss@enterprise.net "...eat the fruit of the clue tree." - Sam Tracy http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:32:20 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: "Ivy" > > Thanks Theo for the mp3s! Did we ever determine if "Ivy" was a RH > > original? > it is - it's from an old radio session. Will Bueche was the only one who had it - till he sent it to woj and qrys donnell (ex-cyberspace hitchcock) and me. I forget what the station and date were, though. it will be on the next unhatched crablings, if and when that gets made. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:35:01 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: another reap >From: Eb >Subject: another reap > >- ---- >Lance [Loud], a freelance journalist who gained notoriety in 1973 when his >seemingly ideal [family] self-destructed before a national audience in one of >TV's first "reality" series, died Dec. 22 in Los Angeles. He was 50. Could this be the origin of the Loud Family's name? Or should that question be filed under "Duh!" and quietly forgotten? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:35:52 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Nilsson box set? I've seen listings for a Nilsson box set on CDNow.com, but no details are given. No songlist, no nothing. Does anybody have this or know anything about it? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:35:54 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: "Ivy" bayard wrote: > > > > Thanks Theo for the mp3s! Did we ever determine if "Ivy" was a RH > > > original? > > it is - it's from an old radio session. very pleasant song for one so carefully hidden. Any clue to its age? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:33:35 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: effective cone disposal > it'd have to take the long way round; prevailing wind here is > southwesterly, so it'd go up and over Siberia first. The "trans-Siberian cone." Sounds like a tour name. Or a bar. > not as in The Late B P ? Now if it landed in Athens, GA that would be one hell of a trip. And as the The Late BP is a known RH fan, at least you would have a conscientious caretaker! Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:55:23 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: "Ivy" On 12/28/01 10:35 AM, "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > very pleasant song for one so carefully hidden. Any clue to its age? Listening to it again, it strikes me as very familiar. I'm wondering if this is the second song he performed at the Warfield in San Fran on April 28, 1993 during his two song acoustic encore? The first song was "Cynthia Mask" and the second song was similar in feel and theme to "Ivy". I managed to pilfer one of the setlists from the stage before the roadies could start cleaning up and the acoustic encore is listed simply as "Acoustic x2". The main set's songs are all listed, as are the final full-band encore numbers and I have been trying in vain all these years to remember the second song of the acoustic set. I think "Ivy" just might be it. Does anyone who was there concur with me? - -- Cheers! - -g- "Fermentation and civilization are inseparable." - --John Ciardi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:12:38 -0500 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: another reap |-----Original Message----- |From: Gene Hopstetter, Jr. [mailto:gene@hopstetter.com] |Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 1:35 PM |To: fegmaniax@smoe.org |Subject: Re: another reap | | |>From: Eb |>Subject: another reap |> |>- ---- |>Lance [Loud], a freelance journalist who gained notoriety in |1973 when |>his seemingly ideal [family] self-destructed before a |national audience |>in one of TV's first "reality" series, died Dec. 22 in Los |Angeles. He |>was 50. | |Could this be the origin of the Loud Family's name? | |Or should that question be filed under "Duh!" and quietly forgotten? Choice #2. :) - -LT loudfan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:27:57 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: buzzing round your chart 2Fs-- Okay - nothing personal; lots of folks use this - but I don't quite get the distinction between "a huge disconnection where..." and the buzzword-friendly usage above. Buzzwords, slang & (sometimes) academic jargon are more dramatic than regular speech at least w/ out working at the writing, and I assumed we were all sleepy from giving in and eating meat over the holidays. Speaking of that I'm afraid "pickle up" may have seemed a dig at the large number of gay librarians. No, I was actually thinking of anal retentiveness. I mean you should see all the shit I keep on my desk. - --- gSs & Bethlehem & astronomy-- I refer you to the story by Arthur C. Clark, "The Star" ... or to Neil Young. - --- I feel that the 20th century mostly sucked & that 2001 sucked w/ it. So maybe 2001 was the last gasp of 20C suck & relatively soon we can get back to the fresh air that was begining to blow intermittantly in the last 3rd of the cent. Best wishes for the new year everyone! Ross Taylor "Holiday in Berlin Full Blown" Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:11:41 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: flies buzzin around your eyes, blood on your saddle > I refer you to the story by Arthur C. Clark, > "The Star" ... or to Neil Young. You should never take Catholics into space. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 05:19:23 +0800 From: "Eb ..." Subject: Re: another reap Gene: > Could this be the origin of the Loud Family's name? I suspect the obituary's original draft had an extra line saying something like "The PBS series also inspired the name of a passable Bay Area pop group who released several endearingly clumsy albums before quietly fading into oblivion." ;) Eb, having terrible Earthlink problems for over a day now - -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:50:06 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: another reap >Lance Loud, a freelance journalist who gained notoriety in 1973 when his >seemingly ideal family self-destructed before a national audience in one of >TV's first "reality" series, died Dec. 22 in Los Angeles. He was 50. silly question probably, but is this where the band got their name? >Something has been bothering me, and yesterday I realized what it is. In >the current war, our enemies have all the cool names and we have none. >Bush, Powell, Rumsfeld: boring, boring, silly and boring. Shufflebeam's a pretty cool name. But you're right overall. Then again, it would have raised a few eyebrows, namewise, if Omar Bradley had still been around as an army chief.. >I think only the most fanatical Scots Leid loonies would claim that >Scots was a separate language. The various flavours of Scots are >dialects. I'd say that it's one of the stronger dialects, along with the likes of Yorkshire, Scouse, Cockney, and Geordie, but not a separate language. Much like I'd imaging Brooklynese is in the US. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 22:23:51 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: another reap grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > > > Scots Leid > > Much like I'd imaging Brooklynese is in the US. but is anyone clamouring for the right to a Brooklyn language? I think not. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:31:56 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: another reap On Friday, December 28, 2001, at 03:19 PM, Eb ... wrote: > I suspect the obituary's original draft had an extra > line saying something like "The PBS series also > inspired the name of a passable Bay Area pop > group who released several endearingly clumsy > albums before quietly fading into oblivion." ;) > > Eb, having terrible Earthlink problems for over a > day now Pre-instant karma? - - Steve __________ I know from first-hand experience that a president acting secretly usually does not have the best interests of Americans in mind. Rather, it is his own personal interests that are at stake. - John Dean, on George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:01:00 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: the idiot and the oddity > From: "ross taylor" > > I have to defend the Odyssy Oh, you do not. First of all, no one here was suggesting that it needed defending, and even if it did, it's only one of the biggest classics in "Western" literature. You couldn't pick a less controversial work if you tried. > But > I will admit, first time thru the Bacchae I > thought it was a real let-down that someone > came out & told about Pentheus getting torn > apart by women -- aw, we don't get to see it? If only Euripides had had CGI! See Nietzsche for more Bacchae-bashing. I didn't get ANY music for Christmas (so far), but I did stop by Amoeba and Rasputin yesterday to pick up the Church's _Gold Afternoon Fix_ on CD finally, as well as _Kimono My House_ (Sparks; probably paid more than I should have) and Althea and Donna's _Uptown Top Ranking_ (first reggae album I've ever bought, actually, thanks to Black Box Recorder). > From: Eb > - ---- > Lance Loud, a freelance journalist who gained notoriety in 1973 when his > seemingly ideal family self-destructed before a national audience in one of > TV's first "reality" series, died Dec. 22 in Los Angeles. He was 50. > Loud, 50, died in a hospice from complications of hepatitis C, Hmmm...not too surprising, I'm sorry to say. I seem to recall reading his columns in the Advocate back when it wasn't glossy. Bye, Lance. > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, ross taylor wrote: > >> her before she croaked. It was fun & memorable, >> but I still think there's a huge disconnect >> where a big percentage of TV end-product is > > Okay - nothing personal; lots of folks use this - but I don't quite get > the distinction between "a huge disconnection where..." and the > buzzword-friendly usage above. Is it even "proper" English to use the word "disconnection" that way? It sounds like an attempt to "correct" an idiom to me, like insisting that people say "could you give status to me on that?" It's either the gratingly verbed noun form, "could you status me on that?", or it's the more traditional "could you give me the status of that (at regular intervals)?", but the in-between just muddles things further. Drew - -- http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ "You're living in a global shopping mall, and you're the only person who still thinks there's a bloody exit." - Edina Monsoon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 07:09:54 -0800 From: "Randy R." Subject: Rivendell (Geddy Lee content) From Sky News UK Movie goers claim they have spotted a string of mistakes in the first Lord of the Rings film. Less than a fortnight after its UK release, movie-mistakes.com is already listing 37 errors. Among the mistakes film fanatics say they have spotted are: An apple thrown in one scene had a label as if it had just been bought in a supermarket. When the Fellowship walk up the snow-covered mountain, their footprints cannot be seen in the in the wide shots. In another scene Gandalf is seen wearing a black ring on the hand holding his staff... but in the next shot the ring has vanished. Top 20 blunders But so far, the 37 apparent mistakes spotted in Lord of the Rings is a pretty good record, compared to some films. The movie-mistakes website lists 138 in The Matrix and a similar number in Titanic. In one scene a movie enthusiast claims: "Why oh why is one of the people getting on the life boats wearing a digital watch? Surely they weren't around in 1912?" Here's the site's top 20: 1 The Matrix 138 2 Titanic 130 3 Gladiator 95 4 Jurassic Park 93 5 Terminator 2: Judgment Day 88 6 Star Wars 80 7 Independence Day 77 8 The Wizard of Oz 67 9 Pearl Harbor 67 10 Top Gun 67 11 The Mummy Returns 66 12 Saving Private Ryan 62 13 Return of the Jedi 61 14 Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me 59 15 Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade 59 16 The Phantom Menace 58 17 Charlie's Angels 56 18 Hollow Man 54 19 Scream 53 20 Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery 52 ****************** and, I found this. http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/forwhombusrolls.htm In Ged We Trust, Vince (for those bleeding for new Rush----3/12/02) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:29:02 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Stewart's cone Carole Reichstein wrote: > > Don't sell it!! No one else (as far as I know) has a Feg Cone signed by > all the Soft Boys. maybe I'll just burn it, and sell the video. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:29:07 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: Re: "Ivy" > On 12/28/01 10:35 AM, "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > > > very pleasant song for one so carefully hidden. Any clue to its age? i think the recording was from 1991 or 1992. it also included "yes i do" which was played live 5 times in 1992-93. > Listening to it again, it strikes me as very familiar. I'm wondering if this > is the second song he performed at the Warfield in San Fran on April 28, > 1993 during his two song acoustic encore? The first song was "Cynthia Mask" > and the second song was similar in feel and theme to "Ivy". according to JH3base this was the setlist: http://www.jh3.com/robyn/base/gig.asp?chubb=460 do you mean there was a song played before Wreck of the Arthur Lee that's not listed in robynbase, or are you thinking of WotAL? =b ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #479 ********************************