From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #474 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, December 23 2001 Volume 10 : Number 474 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Francais, Ecossais, euh. ["Fric Chaud" ] re: Old Lemon Moon, 469-70 [HSatterfld@aol.com] re: Old Lemon Moon, 469-70 ["Maximilian Lang" ] Eb does Kilborn ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: Week Old Lemon Moon 466-7 ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: Francais, Ecossais, euh. ["Brian Huddell" ] Tenenbaums Oh Tenenbaums. ["Maximilian Lang" ] [none] ["Redtailed Hawk" ] wishing you all... [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: Francais, Ecossais, euh. ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: wishing you all... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] THE perfect fegmaniax holiday food! [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: filmmmm + Mighty Big Kilborn [dmw ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 19:40:32 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: Francais, Ecossais, euh. On 23 Dec 2001, at 11:52, grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > "Le chariti" and "Le shay" could be le charite(acute on e) and le > chers(acute on e) which ISTR means something like charity and > loved-ones (perhaps our Mac-loving friend Fric might be able to > confirm?) You are discussing a song that isn't in his catalogue yet, correct? If I could hear it somehow, I would be pleased to offer my opinion. "Le shay" could be "le chair" -- the flesh, but it could be many other things. Robyn's French is accented and, interpreted by a Scotch, could be heard other than it was intended. The "i" in chariti was already explained by Stewart. It was meant to be E acute, but sometimes the more highly evolved characters are not interpreted properly by computers. - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 20:32:17 EST From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: re: Old Lemon Moon, 469-70 "Redtailed Hawk" wrote: >Re:Vanella Sky > >Solsbury Hill is a sacred song about going insane and/or discovering your >true being. Its about walking -out- of the scenery. And its being used in a >Tom Cruise movie... . This is arguably what the film is about. It's practically a scene-for-scene remake of the original Spanish language film, it isn't Mission Impossible 3. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 22:13:41 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: re: Old Lemon Moon, 469-70 >"Redtailed Hawk" wrote: > > >Re:Vanella Sky > > > >Solsbury Hill is a sacred song about going insane and/or discovering your > >true being. Its about walking -out- of the scenery. Or AKA quitting Genesis. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 01:58:35 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Eb does Kilborn > Yesterday [snip] > experiment. > > Eb That was a good read, Ebby. Felt like I was there. Re: inexplicable actual TV studio laughter...my one and only TV show taping was Merv, circa 1983. Sidney Sheldon and Erin Gray and some sequined "entertainer" who played piano and cracked jokes. Oooooh. I remember REALLY laughing at everything and wondering why I was enjoying it so much. Afterwards my friend (who also laughed heartily throughout) and I discussed the possibility that they had piped laughing gas into the studio through the vents. I mean, this was MERV. With DULL GUESTS. Yet we were absolutely tickled. Whatever. I remember seeing the show on the air a month or so later and it was the most boring program I had ever watched on purpose. And of course there were several audience shots clearly showing the two of us laughing our asses off. Re: Cracker with and without Poinsettias...betcha they're gonna "appear" on another show a few months down the road. Reminds me of a clever gag Letterman employed back in his first season on CBS. One week he began announcing celebrities in the audience, as Ed Sullivan was known to do in that same theatre. Each time he announced a celebrity they'd cut to a shot of the audience, where that celebrity would be smiling and waving. This would occur several times a night, and they were always big stars. But if you had been watching the show regularly you knew that each of these celebrities had been a guest on the show within the past month. Obviously the gag had been set up over a period of time, with each celebrity taping his audience shot the night he appeared on the show. So I'm guessing cracker will eventually perform "Shine" on the Kilborn show on a night when the studio audience never gets to see them play. - -rUss np: Badfinger/Come And Get It: The Best Of Badfinger Elvis Costello/This Year's Model XTC/English Settlement dB's/Stands For deciBELS Robyn Hitchcock/Moss Elixir ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:11:00 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Week Old Lemon Moon 466-7 Redtailed Hawk wrote: > > Does chariti sound at all like charity yes, very. Just the list mashed the e-acute, it being french annat. > Does La Shay sound anything like "La Chaise." not really, no. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:19:22 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Francais, Ecossais, euh. Fric Chaud wrote: > > sometimes the more highly evolved characters Excluding yourself there, then? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:30:24 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Francais, Ecossais, euh. grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > > according to my copy of the New Testament in Lalland Scots, the quote is: > "Gin I speak wi the tungs o men an angels but hae nae luve i my hairt I am > no nane better nor dunnerin bress or a ringin cymbal." oh dear; "luve" is only (apparently) in post-Burns Scots. Charity was the term used (cf Welsh "cariad") in any bibles used in pre-synthetic Scots. > 'Ye muckle sumph!' Ah, The Bible In English Just Like Jesus Spoke (there is one ev. organisation that is convinced that Jesus was a fair-haired anglophone. Hmm.) > (perhaps our Mac-loving friend Fric might be able to confirm?) ah; explains a lot. > now flying - Tajikistan! I once got e-mail from .tj, and it wasn't spam either. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 10:24:07 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Old Lemon Moon, 469-70 Redtailed Hawk wrote: > > Unprotected Love: > Christ(or should I say Anti-Christ) those are incredibly great lyrics. yep, a real "ooer what is he thinking about, where's the family filter?" > There are plenty of tricks you can do with ice-cubes, but I havent read the > bio and I dont know the Parsons connection. Explication please? When Gram took his final OD in that motel, it was said that his companions tried to revive him with an anally-inserted icecube. Kind of like the Mini-milk curry cure, which I'll probably have to explain (or you can do a web search). Stewart [finally -- "the best thing in the world", out on CD in January! http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/fredlane/Raudelunas.html#dec01 ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 08:11:36 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Francais, Ecossais, euh. Stewart: > Fric Chaud wrote: > > > > sometimes the more highly evolved characters > > Excluding yourself there, then? Feg feuds are great, but this one is really unsatisfying. For one thing, Fric appears to have moved on long ago, while Stewart remains engaged. Also, the narrative is really sloppy, the characters underdeveloped to the point of cartoonishness, and the conflict, if you can call it that, seems tacked-on, almost an afterthought. Something about Fric's ass and the Leonids, Fric's offense at the remark, the predictable haggis/poutine -- it's a muddle from the start. Stewart vs. Fric could learn a lot from, say, Eb vs. The Pacific Northwest. I'm hoping for a really snappy denouement. Soon would be nice. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:12:03 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Tenenbaums Oh Tenenbaums. The Royal Tenenbaums is the best movie I have seen all year. I can't say that I have seen every film, this is the one I liked best. In fact of the three standouts I have seen I would rank them as follows: 1. The Royal Tenenbaums 2. Momento 3. LOTR FOTR Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:18:46 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: [none] Bayard >>For good examples of how telling can involve lots of showing, look to >>some of the "real" epics -- Homer, Virgil, and (more relevant) Beowulf. >I'll wait for the movies - those are dull. Drew responded: >Skimming is the key. Drew--you are -the- man. People take works of high lit and treat them like sacred texts, then wonder why they fall short. I am totally of the skim school. Drew, you are a philosopher of the highest order:-). - ----------------------------------- Mike: >Kay will be happy to discuss the sword bit with you at length :-p Hmmmm, "at leangth"? You just had to stick it in, now didn't you ;-P? - ------------------------------------ James, you anaroak you, Hey, I was quoting from memory (Chesterton used to drive his editors half-mad cause he always quoted from memory in his books, giving everything a Chestertonian skew)--and pretty darn close for that! Love the Scots version. Is that bibble on-line? - ------------------------ Eb Am ignorent of Cracker but love the idea of a rock guy whose too into showing relatives vids of his kids to promote himself. Its sounds so - --right. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:21:36 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: wishing you all... ...a splendiferous festive season, and all that goes with it, and all the best for a spiffing and groovalicious 2002! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:07:48 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Francais, Ecossais, euh. Brian Huddell wrote: > > I'm hoping for a really snappy denouement. Soon would be nice. I guess that should teach me to fight a battle of wits with an unarmed man. But Fric takes so long to respond, and when he does the response is so lame, what's a Scottish p/eh/rson to do? Stewart - -- Stewart C. Russell, Kirkintilloch, Scotland - scruss@enterprise.net "There Is No Santa Claus, How Could You Lie To Me?" - Chocolate USA http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:23:21 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: nawvel > From: "Redtailed Hawk" > > I see your point. As a novel LOTR is not told conventionally. The way I see > it thou is that Tolkein was most definately -not- writing a novel. He had to > call it a novel cause thats the literary form of our time but he wasn't > really trying to do what a typical novel tries to do. I'm glad you brought that up. Of course, you have the same confusion going on with the old epics as well; they're poems, but not the way we think of poetry today. Our notions of these forms are too specific. > From: BLATZMAN@aol.com > I think there was just so much to cover, that they tried to put too much > stuff in (Why mention the shortcut o mushrooms?) Lots of references to weed as well. I was pleased with those. :) Oh, but, fuck, why did they have to leave out the bit with the barrow-wight? That would have been so terrific as a scene in the film, and it's one of my favorite chilling bits in all the books. > I'd still bitch about the horrible casting of Sauroman. I didn't think it was horrible, but I know what you mean -- I think I would have been happier with someone a bit less cadaverous myself. It's hard to credit that this was ever a "good guy." > Not a perfect film, but a far better movie than it is a book. I'm not sure I agree with you. Like I said, I'm thinking maybe somewhere in between would have worked best for me. > From: "Michael Wells" > > ===== > spoilers below, if you haven't seen it yet > ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > Senor Simchik opined: > > Agree with Boromir's performance. Just curious, why the high marks for > Viggo? I'm not sure. There wasn't anything specific about his performance I could point to...I just appreciated him overall, and felt he was quietly convincing. I haven't seen him in many movies and I had no trouble immediately believing in him. I never paid a whole lot of attention to him in the books, so I guess I didn't notice the issues you brought up. > And where the hell did his sword at Weathertop come from? > Did the Ranger wood stash also include some fine blades just lying around? And did he fight off 5 Nazgul singlehandedly in the book as well? They seemed awfully wimpy in comparison. > a) the three forks scene in Moria. No problem that they moved one of the > major speeches here, good place for it actually. But when they decide, the > path they take is going in the WRONG direction (down, not up towards the > surface). Yep. And didn't Frodo decide in the book? Drew ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:39:20 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: wishing you all... On Mon, 24 Dec 2001 grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > ...a splendiferous festive season, and all that goes with it, and all the > best for a spiffing and groovalicious 2002! Well thank you! But I still don't get why you folks in NZ and Australia get to have holidays *first*. It's still the 23rd here, of course. The advantage was, if anyone was worried, at the end of 1999, about the whole Y2K thing, it would be New Zealand that'd be hit first. So the rest of us could have ducked. On behalf of the time-delayed, we thank you for your courage. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:58:44 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: THE perfect fegmaniax holiday food! Enjoy! Make them, eat them, send some to your favourite blinking guitarist! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:39:37 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: filmmmm + Mighty Big Kilborn On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Eb wrote: > The most interesting thing about the filming was seeing how it's shot > out of sequence. Even though musical acts always appear last on > talkshows, the Kilborn people film the band performing *first* > because a performance requires special equipment onstage. I guess the > staff/band spends the afternoon setting up the instruments and > microphones, films the band, removes the equipment, replaces the > temporarily moved decor, and then films the rest of the show as it Couple weeks ago I got to be the audio engineer for a local band's appearance on a cable TV show, and had the same revelation -- when you watch it on the the tube the illusion that you're seeing the real sequence of events is compelling, but we recorded songs for both a Christmas show and a New Year's show, so there were TWO sets of decor to stay aware of. I'm sure there will be some observable continuity gaffes when the show airs. It was a blast, though. - -- d. np The Fall _Are you Missing Winner_ Mark E. Smith is the energizer bunny of rock, eh what? and Dorian Gray too? ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #474 ********************************