From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #472 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, December 22 2001 Volume 10 : Number 472 Today's Subjects: ----------------- more of the rings ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] filmmm ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: more of the rings (Spoilers?) [bayard ] Re: filmmm [Eb ] RE: G4-400/film [bayard ] Reap: Dick Schaap [Jeff Dwarf ] cracking cracker ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: very amelie ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Fegbands Compilation and other things [bayard ] Re: cracking cracker [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: cracking cracker [Jeff Dwarf ] Le Voyage De Chihiro, or Irritating Eb in French [steve ] Week Old Lemon Moon 466-7 ["Redtailed Hawk" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:08:10 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: more of the rings > From: bayard > Earth-shattering events > don't happen every day in real life, nor in this story. Elves, Balrogs, and Ringwraiths don't happen in real life, either. Even "realistic" novels are not like real life, and fantasy novels definitely shouldn't be, certainly not in structure. > But it's the non-action-sequences that tell us > the most about the characters, which are among Tolkein's greatest > creations. Like the man said, "character, nuance and dialogue". I'm amazed you can say this. Tolkein's strength was absolutely NOT in subtle and extensive characterization, especially not past the main characters. > I also like how it's presented as a tale, and the narrator breaks in once > in a while. (Thought that's mostly in _The Hobbit_.) "Show, don't tell" is > a rule Dr. Tolkien is exempt from, IMO. I know many differ with me on > this. For good examples of how telling can involve lots of showing, look to some of the "real" epics -- Homer, Virgil, and (more relevant) Beowulf. Actually, though, there are probably good reasons not to talk more about Gandalf's activities away from the Fellowship. Without going too deeply into it, I think it would really change the way we viewed him if we "saw" him too often in solo action. > From: Miles Goosens > Kitchens of Distinction I tried listening to one of their albums once. I couldn't stay awake. It's sad, 'cause I really wanted to like them. > From: Eb > I tried to launch a "I don't get Radiohead, Aimee Mann, Steely Dan, > Primal Scream, the Magnetic Fields, Wilco, Santana, Morphine, Red > House Painters, Daft Punk, Echo & the Bunnymen, the Stone Roses, > Destiny's Child, Pearl Jam, Cake, Jimmy Eat World, Social Distortion, > Massive Attack, Creeper Lagoon, Modest Mouse, Dave Matthews, John > Hiatt, Mercury Rev, Cornershop, Tool, the Goo Goo Dolls, Cypress > Hill, Alice in Chains, the Dandy Warhols, Sunny Day Real Estate, > Henry Rollins, Dirty Three, The The, Bauhaus, Momus, Toad the Wet > Sprocket, Rob Zombie, the Verve, Garrison Keillor and post-rock" Club > awhile back, but couldn't generate enough interest. Maybe I need to > add some more band names to the charter. To guarantee that no one can join but you? Not a good way to get a steady flow of dues! > Yeah, that's the rationale I always hear from people who didn't like > "Pink Flamingos." Zing! > From: Eclipse > > congratulations for not liking so many popular bands! we're all quite > proud of you. Zing 2! The list is on today. > From: Eleanore Adams > > Both me and my husband loved it - he LOVED it - it struck a chord with > him. I don't know how what where or why, he usually does not get mushy or > choked up about films, but this one struck a nerve with him, a happy > nerve. That's one of the things that creeps me out. I hear too many people talking about it like it's a religious experience. All I can think of is the prequel John Christopher wrote to his Tripods trilogy, which I'm reading right now, wherein the Tripods take over the Earth through hypnotic television. Drew, off to see Lord of the Rings right now - -- http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ "You're living in a global shopping mall, and you're the only person who still thinks there's a bloody exit." - Edina Monsoon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:23:02 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: filmmm Re. the "I don't get Stereolab, GbV, MBV, or Pavement" Club: >"While we are thrilled that you too understand the artistic >bankruptcy of >Malkmus and his ilk, your devotion to Stereolab's >Velvetsy lounge music >and your refusal to acknowledge that the Jesus >& Mary Chain and Kitchens >of Distinction utterly obliterate My Bloody >Valentine means that we must >reject your application. Unless you >take the next logical step of >divesting yourself of the CDs of these >counterrevolutionary forces, I >don't see much chance for you. Next >caller!" You forgot the "half-baked gibberish of chronic alcoholic Robert Pollard." (Hey! I bet it was a member of *your* club that stole my copy of "Alien Lanes"! You bastards! *sob*) So I went to see "Amelie" this past weekend, and the film was so fucked up and out of focus that the management stopped it and gave everyone free passes to see any other movie at Regal Cinemas. The few minutes I saw looked pretty cool, though. I've decided to see "Amelie" in second run and save the free pass to go see FOTR (which will never go into second run). I didn't really want to see FOTR Wednesday night because I had no urge to wait in the rain with a bunch of people dressed as hobbits. Next week, perhaps... The trailers for "Amelie" were all in focus, however; does anyone know if "The Shipping News" is any good? The story doesn't look too intriguing, but what a cast! Judi Dench is a goddess. That's probably not a good reason to see a movie, though. Some of my friends are very geeked to see "The Royal Tennenbaums" (sp?) - so geeked that last week they actually forged very realistic-looking advance passes. I've never seen "Bottle Rocket" or "Rushmore" so I'm not as excited, but I sure like that wacky Owen Wilson. Hmm, lots of (potentially) good movies to see these days... an unusual situation... and me with nigh-empty pockets, alas... n. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:51:53 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: Re: more of the rings (Spoilers?) It was very well done. I thought they captured the characters and the settings quite well. I thought McEllen and Wood and even Tyler did a great job. I guess I'm a purist, though - some of the plot and timeline changes distracted me, since i'm so used to things happening as they were written. I think in an ideal world there would be a director's cut of SIX films corresponding to the six books (two in each of the three volumes.) But of course that would not be marketable... > Elves, Balrogs, and Ringwraiths don't happen in real life, > either. They don't? damn... > Even "realistic" novels are not like real life, and > > > But it's the non-action-sequences that tell us > > the most about the characters, which are among Tolkein's greatest > > creations. Like the man said, "character, nuance and dialogue". > > I'm amazed you can say this. Tolkein's strength was absolutely NOT > in subtle and extensive characterization, especially not past the > main characters. I borrowed three of someone else's words as a set. And I do think the characters and the dialogue are great assets to the books. Sure it's a great story, but it wouldn't make good reading without the characters and dialogue (which is why _the Simarillion_ fails.) > > I also like how it's presented as a tale, and the narrator breaks in once > > in a while. (Thought that's mostly in _The Hobbit_.) "Show, don't tell" is > > a rule Dr. Tolkien is exempt from, IMO. I know many differ with me on > > this. > > For good examples of how telling can involve lots of showing, look to > some of the "real" epics -- Homer, Virgil, and (more relevant) Beowulf. I'll wait for the movies - those are dull. =b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:06:30 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: filmmm > >Some of my friends are very geeked to see "The Royal Tenenbaums"... Oops , forgot about that one. OK, that's another film I'd see before Lord of the Rings. > > I tried to launch a "I don't get Radiohead, Aimee Mann, Steely Dan, >> Primal Scream, the Magnetic Fields, Wilco, Santana, Morphine, Red >> House Painters, Daft Punk, Echo & the Bunnymen, the Stone Roses, >> Destiny's Child, Pearl Jam, Cake, Jimmy Eat World, Social Distortion, >> Massive Attack, Creeper Lagoon, Modest Mouse, Dave Matthews, John >> Hiatt, Mercury Rev, Cornershop, Tool, the Goo Goo Dolls, Cypress >> Hill, Alice in Chains, the Dandy Warhols, Sunny Day Real Estate, >> Henry Rollins, Dirty Three, The The, Bauhaus, Momus, Toad the Wet >> Sprocket, Rob Zombie, the Verve, Garrison Keillor and post-rock" Club >> awhile back, but couldn't generate enough interest. Maybe I need to >> add some more band names to the charter. > >To guarantee that no one can join but you? Not a good way to get >a steady flow of dues! Hm, you could be right. Maybe I'll cut Magnetic Fields and Cypress Hill from the masthead, and try again. I'm going to have a fun day...I'm driving up to chat with Cracker at CBS, prior to them appearing on Craig Kilborn. Would you believe I've never seen a TV show taped before? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:03:04 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: RE: G4-400/film > BLATZMAN: > >(see alt ending to 6th Sense... Ugh!!) > > What happened in the alternate ending? http://us.imdb.com/AlternateVersions?0167404 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:59:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Reap: Dick Schaap http://espn.go.com/classic/obit/s/2001/1019/1266418.html ===== "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:05:52 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: cracking cracker Eb ebbed: >I'm going to have a fun day...I'm driving up to chat with Cracker at >CBS, prior to them appearing on Craig Kilborn. Really? Could you ask Dave Lowery why he's such a schmuck, why he put the kibosh on the (rumored) CvB reunion last year, and why his band has been much more commercially successful, even though the Monks of Doom received the better musicians and songwriters in the CvB divorce settlement? Oh, yeah -- in what capacity are you "chatting" with Cracker? re: your "club" -- are you serious about Radiohead? I can imagine someone being dismayed at the "saviours of rock" accolades they have received, but do you really not see why people get excited about their (its?) music. That's too bad for you, I guess. If you take them off, I'll join your club - -- but not one that includes GBV or Pavement (was that Gnat? I don't get not getting Pavement, especially -- GBV I can take or leave). Oh, also -- "LOTR: FOTH" is big and beautiful and grand. Well acted and exciting. Sprawling but not out-of-control. Long but not too long. Just really really good. ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 22:18:53 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: very amelie Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > I'm sure when I get around to renting > it I'll decide I love it, now that I've predicted I'll hate it. It does look nice in 70mm. Your loss. That's one thing I'll miss from Glasgow. The Glasgow Film Theatre is unusual in that it's an arthouse with a really well set-up 70mm system. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:12:41 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: Fegbands Compilation and other things Those who have been here a very long time may remember a project undertaken by Terry called "Fish Gloss". This is a collection of original music by Robyn Hitchcock fans. The first 2-CD set is ready, and it's really amazingly good. Go here to see more: http://glasshotel.net/fishgloss In other news... Thanks to Martin Mayhew and Stewart, here are some pictures from a 1988 gig, and also some fliers: http://www.bitmine.net/~bayard/robyn/pictures/zap_clup/ These are the only known pictures of Chris Cox, who if memory serves appears on _I often dream of Trains_ and _you and oblivion._ here is the Robynbase entry for the gig: http://www.jh3.com/robyn/base/gig.asp?chubb=207 The fellowship of the ring has been voted 'film of the millenium so far' by imdb.com. - -- http://glasshotel.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:54:02 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: cracking cracker On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Poole, R. Edward wrote: > Oh, also -- "LOTR: FOTH" is big and beautiful and grand. Well acted and That's "Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Hoof," no? Any relation to next year's Star Wars film, "Rout of the Clones?" And where's Muriel? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::crumple zones:::::harmful or fatal if swallowed:::::small-craft warning:: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:12:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: cracking cracker "Poole, R. Edward" wrote: > Really? Could you ask Dave Lowery why he's such a schmuck, why he put > the kibosh on the (rumored) CvB reunion last year, wasn't that Cracker tour last year with the various former CvB's around that included a lot of CvB songs pretty much for all intents and purposes a CvB reunion in everything but name? at least, that's how they were promoting it (i couldn't go) both times they plowed through 'round here (sf). > re: your "club" -- are you serious about Radiohead? I can imagine > someone being dismayed at the "saviours of rock" accolades they > have received, but do you really not see why people get excited > about their (its?) music. That's too bad for you, I guess. as someone who loves Radiohead, i find this a really odd statement. really, i can't think of a band i like or love that i can't, nevertheless, also understand why someone else might not be as enamoured with them. besides, the only loss is if someone is forced to listen to something they don't like. it's no skin off my ass if Eb doesn't like Radiohead or The Cure or The Bunnymen or whoever any more than it's any off his that i don't like Oarsis or Rufus Wainwright. it's physically impossible for two people to have all the same tastes, unless it's some kind of stalking situation. ===== "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 02:40:04 -0600 From: steve Subject: Le Voyage De Chihiro, or Irritating Eb in French Le Voyage De Chihiro A charming character study that probably won't get a release in the U.S., but will be showing in France. The Amelie of anime? http://www.chihiro-lefilm.com http://www.gaumont.fr/ma/film/videos/ba/lourde/chihiro_cable.mov http://www.gaumont.fr - - Steve __________ Break the cursing seal of love, new devil. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 04:27:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: new creature for robyn to write a song about, if he was still writing about that sort of thing http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/12/21/MN67352.DTL ===== "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:57:40 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: new creature for robyn to write a song about, if he were still writing about that sort of thing it has "fleshy mantles"... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 16:22:15 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Fegbands Compilation and other things bayard wrote: > > Thanks to Martin Mayhew and Stewart, here are some pictures from a 1988 > gig, and also some fliers MM should get the credit; I didn't do anything. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 11:31:59 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: filmmm On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Natalie Jane wrote: > see a movie, though. Some of my friends are very geeked to see "The Royal > Tennenbaums" (sp?) - so geeked that last week they actually forged very > realistic-looking advance passes. I've never seen "Bottle Rocket" or > "Rushmore" so I'm not as excited, but I sure like that wacky Owen Wilson. I thought _Bottle Rocket_ was really charming; a nice low-key story with moderately quirky (but not absurdly so) characters and sharp dialogue. I wouldn't want to overhype it, it's not great, but it was cute. I didn't think _Man Who Wasn't There_ was one of the more succesful of the Coen's oeuvre, but then I think they're very spotty, and I think even the misfires are at least interesting. And this one is *really* gorgeous, even more so than "O Brother." You liked those Bragg/Wilco/Guthrie discs, though, didn't you Eb? Does that mean you have to kick yourself out of your own club? - -- d., with _Waking Life_ and _Amelie_ topping the to-see list, and "Rings" somewhere above _Shallow Hal_. np the meat joy _between the devil and the deep_. yeah! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 19:39:16 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Week Old Lemon Moon 466-7 Hi-- Going back a week-- Im dismayed by our collective inablilty to shed light on the "La Shay" song. Does chariti sound at all like charity(as in--"Thou I speak with the tongue of angels, if I dont have charity, Im just a noisey trumphet " etc? Its somewhere in Corinthains I think and a well known enough passage to be known by many.) Does La Shay sound anything like "La Chaise." It means the chair in french. Not that that helps any. All I can think of is "Oh no, not the comfy chair." Not that that helps any either either. Grrrr. Anyone slightly less cluesless than myself? Mike: >le Surete and le CIA? Why not? - ------------------------------------------- Jeff: >the idea is that men can learn to separate the >orgasm from the ejaculation, so that we can have orgasms without >actually ejaculating, which also improves the orgasms as well as being >a form of birth control (assuming you master it, since no ejaculation >means no sperm out and about to do their job). Ive heard this theroy bandied about--but you know, Ive never run into anyone who could actually do it, or for that matter, even claim to do it(that is, anyone I consider credible.) Lets face it-- in the normal world if a guy can go longer than official RH time(approx 6 minutes) its condsidered a reason to joyful. So I think its abit of a myth, born from male and female wish-fufillment. Have any of you guys ever actually done this? Have any of us women ever been with a guy who did this? (No, not gone longer than 6 minutes. Done the thing Jeff described.) - ----------------------------------------- Prachett insulted LOTR? Prachett--, do you mean the Prachett whose work people will still be caring passionatly about in 50 years? Stuffed Owl Prachett perhas? - -------------------------------------------------- Bachman: >Gram Parsons alarm clock: Wake up to the smell and sound of a hickory wind. Damn I love sick humor. Kudos:-) - -------------------------------------------- Kay _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #472 ********************************