From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #470 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, December 20 2001 Volume 10 : Number 470 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Grammar Rock [Eb ] Re: One last chance to brush up on your Tolkien [steve ] Re: One last chance to brush up on your Tolkien [Eb ] Re: attn: james dignan [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: One last chance to brush up on your Tolkien [Christopher Gross ] Re: Test ["Maximilian Lang" ] a) LoTR = spoiler alert = ["Michael Wells" ] b) LoTR = spoiler alert = ["Michael Wells" ] throwing money at hollywood ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] B&P-Holiday Offer (100% non-RH) [Mike Swedene ] Re: Grammar Rock [Capuchin ] Re: Grammar Rock; reap [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Grammar Rock; reap ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Jackson's Ring: Wow. [The Great Quail ] Re: Grammar Rock [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: G4-400 ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] my LOTR report ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: G4-400 [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: cheesy cure [Jeff Dwarf ] question for Morpheus users [Christopher Gross ] Re: G4-400 [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:19:41 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Grammar Rock > > This reminds of the days when the Melody Maker used to insist that proper >> group names were singular, as in "The Who is playing Charlton Athletic >> stadium again this year". I have a nasty suspicion that the grammar is >> correct, but it reads very oddly. > >i guess it depends whether you think of a group as a cohesive unit or >individuals who happen to be together. for instance, i think in a monty >python sketch once eric idle says "the crowd are loving it!", which seems >odd. in the example above, one could say "The group is playing..." Boy, I wrestle with this problem all the time. Seems like when the group isn't a plural name, it's best to use singular tense wherever possible. Yes, I'd definitely say "The Who is playing" rather than "The Who are playing." That doesn't make me uncomfortable. And yet, there are other places where the singular tense just doesn't scan. For instance, it doesn't sound right to say "The Who smashed its instruments" rather than "...smashed their instruments." But...if you write "The Who is playing tonight, and may smash their instruments," you have a conflict of tense! So, uh, I just try to write around these paradoxes. :) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:31:49 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: One last chance to brush up on your Tolkien On Wednesday, December 19, 2001, at 01:11 AM, Eb wrote: > Good gawd. I just can't help wondering if there's a Marilyn Manson list > somewhere which is mysteriously discussing the films which Robyn > Hitchcock fans were meant to discuss. Perhaps some supernatural neural > transmigration between us and them? > > Eb, disgusted What, you don't like pop culture? I hope you're not gonna bitch about Ang Lee directing the Hulk movie! The Spider-Man trailer is showing with FOTR, although it looks better in QuickTime (large size). I went and saw Waking Life, if that scores any points. And what is a Robyn Hitchcock fans film? Amelie? The Devil's Backbone? - - Steve __________ President Bush met privately with top officials from the Salvation Army in May to discuss his "faith-based" initiative while the White House was reviewing a request from the charity for a regulation protecting it from local workplace nondiscrimination laws based on sexual orientation. - Dana Milbank, Washington Post ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:39:05 -0600 From: "Aaron L." Subject: Re: Grammar Rock > > This reminds of the days when the Melody Maker used to insist that proper > > group names were singular, as in "The Who is playing Charlton Athletic > > stadium again this year". I have a nasty suspicion that the grammar is > > correct, but it reads very oddly. I find it odd that you think it "reads oddly" ;-) I would say "The Who is playing..." but "The Soft Boys are playing..." and I'm not really sure why. I guess it's because "The Who" does sound singular to me, but "The Soft Boys" sounds pluralif that makes a bit of sense. And look what else I didinadvertantly came up with a logical instance in which putting the band names in quotes is actually *appropriate*. Sorry, Natalie. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:53:01 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: One last chance to brush up on your Tolkien >And what is a Robyn Hitchcock fans film? Amelie? The Devil's Backbone? Maybe a film which concentrates on character, nuance and dialogue, rather than visual whizzbang, funny costumes and/or vampirish recycling of previously seen works? A sharp, original screenplay, rather than just a hotshot effects team and hip taste in cult literature? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:56:51 EST From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Tolkien! The Musical! Well I'm glad to hear that I wasn't the only one annoyed by the singing in the Trilogy. I tried to read a few of the songs, but found myself literally about to throw the book across the room, so I ended up skipping them too... Now, those Potter books... They are a much more entertaining read than Tolkien. I'm on book 4, and I love it. It just keeps getting better. I started reading Potter right after the LOTR trilogy, and Potter just blows it away. It is so much more interesting and fun to read. I highly recommend it. Has anyone seen the Minority Report Trailer yet??? Can't wait!!! And Spiderman!!! Man, next summer is going to rock!!!!! And of course Potter 2 in Theaters next Fall... I'd say after a really bad summer, the end of the year is really delivering some satisfying films... Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:37:39 -0800 From: Eb Subject: more from the Google archive This is someone else's "research," not mine, but supposedly this is Usenet's very first Macintosh mention? Neat! > From: RUTGERS@sri-unix (RUTGERS@sri-unix) > Subject: Good rumors > Newsgroups: net.worksView: (This is the only article in this thread) | > Original FormatDate: 1982-08-21 03:17:09 PST > > From: Ron > I have heard from a reliable source that there will be a SmallTalk-80 > implementation for the Apple "Lisa." There is however some question > as to whether it will be fast enough. This aside from the problem of > what Xerox will decide to do with SmallTalk as a whole (sell it, > public domain, etc.). > > This lends weight to arguments that the "Lisa" will have a fabulous > graphic display. I believe it was mentioned here that it is supposed > to cost about $10k. This is unfortunately becoming a "market price" > for workstations, i.e. personal machine of reasonable power with > graphics display. > > Anyone want to expand on the "MacIntosh" rumor, that there will be a > stripped down Lisa built for home use (or at the least be cheaper)? > Please reply to WORKS at RUTGERS also. > > (ron) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:41:27 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: attn: james dignan >While driving home today, I heard a feature on NPR about the many flags of >Afghanistan. While it stopped just short of James-like detail, it still >was impressively anoraky (is this a mixed metaphor in this context?) for a >mainstream feature, and I'm sure Whitney Smith could have gone more arcane >if need be. thanks for that - yup, I'm sure he could too. Smith is the world's leading flag expert. Afghanistan has a truly baffling flag history. A silly news item that only a flag expert would have done a double take at came recently with a reporter claiming that the Taleban had 'waved the white flag at Kandahar'. Of course, the official flag of the Taleban is white, so were they surrendering or indicating their defiance? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:45:11 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: One last chance to brush up on your Tolkien On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, steve wrote: > I went and saw Waking Life, if that scores any points. And what is a > Robyn Hitchcock fans film? Amelie? The Devil's Backbone? - --Chris np: Curve, "Chinese Burn" ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:48:22 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: Silvery T >On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, James Dignan wrote: >> James ("...can't hear a word they're sayin'...") > >Only the echoes.....? > >gSs of my mind. Yeah. Well , you don't all really exist do you? This is all some psychotic fantasy I've built up isn't it? No? Well, there goes that theory. 'twas just an attempt to do two consecutive posts using two consecturive song lines at the end. The little things we do to keep ourselves amused... James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:50:31 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: cheesy cure >From: "Andrew D. Simchik" >Subject: cheesy cure > >> From: "Natalie Jane" >> >> OK, here's another pet peeve of mine (and the beginning of yet another >> ridiculous thread, no doubt) > >Yep! > >> I *really* hate it when people put band names >> in quotes > >Yeah, that's annoying. I did always like, however, Morrissey's habit >of putting album titles in quotes. MLA wouldn't approve, of course, >but I thought it gave a certain je ne sais quoi to the whole affair. > >> From: "Mike Wells" what confuses me is why people put their real names in quotes in the 'from:' section of emails. Perhaps I was right afterall "Mike Wells", "Natalie Jane", and "Andrew D. Simchik" are all figments of someone's warped imagination. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:55:47 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Test Test. Saw LoTR. Back onlist. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:28:44 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Test >From: "Michael Wells" >Reply-To: "Michael Wells" >To: "Lord of the Things" >Subject: Test >Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:55:47 -0600 > >Test. > >Saw LoTR. Back onlist. > >Michael And????? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:49:39 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: a) LoTR = spoiler alert = > >Saw LoTR. Back onlist. > > And????? ===== spoilers follow ===== There will be plenty for the nits to pick...in general: I would hate to have made some of the editing choices required to slash it down to about 3 hours. Bayard was right - in places it ended up being action-adventure chase scene, hopping from place-to-place at a hernia-inducing pace. I kind of expected that as well, but the editing is freaking maddening at times. Scenes that felt like they were filmed to be 3 or 4 minutes long were hacked to 30 seconds in editing. Several of these would appear in a row, then a scene would play out at the 'right' speed. Segues can be clumsy if they appear at all. OTOH set pieces that seem to be fully fleshed out can be stunning. Bilbo, Gandalf, and Frodo working through the opening scenes is unreal. By about 20 minutes in Ian McKellen IS Gandalf. One of the main advantages in the opening is that they stick close to the original dialogue, which is not true throughout. And that's my main, and only real, beef with the movie. When the dialogue used is Tolkien's, it really soars. But from when the Hobbits leave Hobbiton (straight for Bree, as guessed) through to the approach on Moria gate, WAY too much of the dialogue is screenplay stuff accomodating the plot changes...Arwen leading the flight to the ford, Sarumen (!) bringing down weather on Cadhadras, etc. continued... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:27:50 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: b) LoTR = spoiler alert = = > >Saw LoTR. Back onlist. > > And????? > > ===== > spoilers follow > ===== But when the words were JRRT's, it was amazing to feel the ripple in the theater. It's been a long time since I've seen an audience be so rapt (at times). The environments were for the most part spectacular. Hobbiton is what Hobbiton SHOULD look like, at least from JRRT's own sketches. Rivendell is alternates between breathtaking when viewed from the outside, at at distance, to odd and a bit cold when inside. The NZ terrain used in the march South is convincing too. The four day march through Moria takes only a few minutes of screen time, but the one hall we see in the arrowdelf at the Eastern end makes that forgiveable. On a narrative note, Godwin will be happy to know that there was a fair amount of King-justifying going on for Aragorn...as if it was assumed we wouldn't automatically buy into Vigo in that role or that it was felt that by speeding up as much as they did it was needed, perhpas right on both counts. Casting ranged from impeccable (McKellen as Gandalf again, Ian Holm as Bilbo) to the "oh, well maybe" to the downright silly (Christopher Lee as Saruman). Speaking of which, I think it could have gotten away with a lot less of Saruman, who gets a fair amount of face time where he didn't get much in the books until TTT. Obviously PJ could have made a 14-hour epic and there still would have been critiques...but in general I was so comletely absorbed by some parts and so utterly distracted by the editing in others that I came away a bit torn. On one hand it's such a huge undertaking and there are such expectations for excellence given the source material that I'm willing to cut a ton of slack to whomever wants to try and film this thing. On the other hand there were too many gratuitous dramatic low-angle 'Spielberg' camera shots, incidents of melodramatic music popping up in just the right spots, and just plain freaky weird things that the whole thing felt a bit underpolished. Like some stretches were well planned out and then it was bandaged together. But go see it. It's good. Now on to Shipping News! Michael "off to bed" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:56:40 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: throwing money at hollywood > From: steve > And since all Fegs will have seen FOTR after 12/19 As with the Strokes, I will be late. We aren't going till Friday. I'm going to be _really_ late with _Amelie_, which so far has failed to sound even remotely like the sort of film I'd want to see. > From: Mike Swedene > Plus Hermey is too close to > Hermes, and I was and am in NO WAY a love god. Hermes was a love god? > From: Aaron Mandel > > So, is there supposed to be a Cure b-sides collection on CD? Will there > be? God, I would love it if there were. I've seen a couple of them as bootlegs, but haven't heard anything official. I've had to make my own. > From: bayard > > On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > >> Instead of wrapping us up in a scene, Tolkien has much of the action occur >> "off screen". Gandalf disappears, then shows up many chapters later to >> "recount his tale"... It takes all the tension out, when the character shows >> up alive and unharmed, and he just talks about what happened. And that >> happens all over the books. > > ah, but as i recall, you're a filmmaker right? of course you'd prefer a > more filmic way of doing things. It's just a question of showing instead of telling, which is as much literary as filmic. I reread Fellowship a couple months ago in preparation for seeing the film, and I was amazed to discover that the book was basically two reasonably exciting sequences breaking up scene after scene of the company either hiking or enjoying themselves in some extraordinarily comfortable wayhouse or other. I'd remembered it as being a dull book, but it was worse than I thought. > Yes, but this is all meant to be presented as a history. A few events would therefore have been nice. Drew - -- http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ "You're living in a global shopping mall, and you're the only person who still thinks there's a bloody exit." - Edina Monsoon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:48:53 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: B&P-Holiday Offer (100% non-RH) hey gang! I have another disc on my drive, and figured I'd offer it up to the group in honor of his passing and the holidays and all.... I have George Harrison / Beware of Abkco available as a B&P if anyone is interested. I am willing to do trades for this too. the sound is Incredible and the track listing can be found here: http://www.cddb.com/xm/pcd/genrock/beaff44ce8702f61b7b9efd2ea3a9985.html Wishing you all a happy holidays! Herbie np -> "Ring Of Fire" Johnny Cash ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 01:26:06 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Grammar Rock On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Eb wrote: > For instance, it doesn't sound right to say "The Who smashed its > instruments" rather than "...smashed their instruments." But...if you > write "The Who is playing tonight, and may smash their instruments," > you have a conflict of tense! That's number disagreement, not a conflict of tense. And your sentence is not only ungrammatical, but also incorrect. The Who doesn't do any smashing because The Who is a corporate entity. The Who is appearing tonight, but The Who doesn't smash or do anything else, really. The Who is playing tonight (where "playing" is a non-active verb that we use for "appearing in performance", like "I played Carnegie Hall" which doesn't mean that the hall was an instrument). And the members of The Who may smash their instruments. Anyway, that's all. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:05:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Grammar Rock; reap On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Eb wrote: > Boy, I wrestle with this problem all the time. Seems like when the > group isn't a plural name, it's best to use singular tense wherever > possible. Yes, I'd definitely say "The Who is playing" rather than > "The Who are playing." That doesn't make me uncomfortable. Weird! So the Kinks are plural but Pulp is singular? > And yet, there are other places where the singular tense just doesn't > scan. For instance, it doesn't sound right to say "The Who smashed > its instruments" rather than "...smashed their instruments." But...if > you write "The Who is playing tonight, and may smash their > instruments," you have a conflict of tense! So, uh, I just try to > write around these paradoxes. :) "Talking Heads smashed his or her instruments"? :-) - - Mike Godwin PS to Bayard: "The crowd are loving it" refers of course to the _performance_, which is singular. PPS Just saw an obit for Gilbert Becaud, the Fr. singer who wrote the original songs which were translated as "What now, my love?" and "Let it be me". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:29:29 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Grammar Rock; reap Michael R Godwin wrote: > > PPS Just saw an obit for Gilbert Becaud as in, "babababum! babababum! babababum! bababababaBUM!"? The Muppets have so much to answer for. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:34:49 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Jackson's Ring: Wow. There are no spoilers below, just a rave..... "Lord of the Rings" -- Wow. It does not disappoint. In fact, To say that it's probably the best fantasy movie ever made is to do it a disservice by ghettoizing it in a genre. It had beauty, awe, and nobility; the scary scenes were actually scary, the dynamics of power were really explored, and best of all, the characters truly came to *life.* This was no Tim Burton set-piece, beautiful to look at but ultimately sterile; no overly-literal Harry Potter diorama; it really had heart and soul. If the film is not nominated for Best Picture, and if Sir Ian McKellan does not win an Oscar for Best Actor, I will (to paraphrase Eddie) tear down Hollywood brick by brick with my bare hands. I am sure there will be cynics and detractors, but fuck 'em. Of course, every fan will fondly lament a favorite scene or two that missed inclusion, and the music could have been more Wagnerian for my taste, but these quibbles are churlish in the face of what Jackson and his crew have accomplished. Not only was it the shortest 3-hour movie I've ever seen, everyone with me agreed that after a short intermission, we'd have easily returned for the next two 3-hour installments. As some Internet critic remarked, "Memo to George Lucas: This is how you deliver on a promise." - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 06:47:07 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Grammar Rock Eb wrote: > And yet, there are other places where the singular tense just > doesn't scan. For instance, it doesn't sound right to say "The Who > smashed its instruments" rather than "...smashed their instruments." > But...if you write "The Who is playing tonight, and may smash their > instruments," you have a conflict of tense! So, uh, I just try to > write around these paradoxes. :) "The Who is playing tonight, and Pete and Keith may smash their instruments." ===== "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 06:45:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: G4-400 I've been following this thread closely. Thanks for all the info, folks -- I have been wanting to add a CD burner to my graphite G4. It's annoying that I can't add an internal CD burner without removing my DVD-RAM drive, which is just way too sweet to do without. Sure, I know I can get an external firewire CD burner, but when I go to dealmac.com and see all those external USB and SCSI burners selling for $99, it makes me less willing to drop $300 on an external firewire burner. Feh. Has anybody used the external USB burners on a G4? I've heard they're slow and that USB isn't that good for data transfer. Is that accurate? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:01:35 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: my LOTR report 1. The movie was unbefuckinglievable. This is a movie which I think I'll have to own and watch regularly. 2. Finally, finally, someone has knocked George Lucas off his (worn-out and tired) throne. Jackson really did pull it off, and I hope it makes billions at the box office. 3. Definitely not a children's film. At times I was aghast, disgusted, mesmerized, and amazed. It was a wonder to behold. I think all of the characters were very well realized and portrayed. 4. I'm still surprised, and a little freaked out, at how good it was. I'd have never imagined it could actually be done. I intend to find out if I'll feel the same way after another viewing. Maybe tonight . Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:07:38 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: G4-400 - --On Thursday, December 20, 2001 06:45:16 -0800 "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." wrote: > Has anybody used the external USB burners on a G4? I've heard they're > slow and that USB isn't that good for data transfer. Is that accurate? Yes, it is. You can't get past 4x and for music sometimes you need to use 2x! I've got an external Firewire CD-RW and am very happy with it. You've got a point with the price, though. I'd have taken an internal one if it would've been possible... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Winter is coming. [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:12:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: cheesy cure "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > > From: Miles Goosens > > > > founder and sole member of the "I don't get Stereolab, GbV, MBV, or > > Pavement" Club > > Nonsense, I'm a member as well. Especially since I can't currently > figure out what MBV is. actually, i think with Kevin Shields joining Primal Scream, MBV is broken up. i'll go along with GbV. and while, i get Pavement, i also think they're incredibly overrated. > > From: Jeff Dwarf > > > > the ones for "A Forest," "Play for Today," "Primary," and "Other > > Voices" were just them lipsyncing with moody lighting. pretty > > boring. > > Ah, you missed the point: they were Robert Smith coiffure showcases. > :) but Robert didn't really have full coiffure going until "The Caterpillar" video though. it's still pretty much in the chrysalis stage that point. there really more a showcase of how poorly Lol can airdrum (let's not even get into the real drumming). ===== "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:30:07 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: question for Morpheus users I've noticed that sometimes when other users get a file from me, I end up uploading a lot more than the total size of the file. Right now someone has supposedly uploaded 25152 KB of a 5116 KB file, and they're still going strong. (The little progress scroll bar has gone way past the end of its assigned space, almost to the edge of the monitor.) What does this mean? Is the upload count just inaccurate? Or are people getting more files from me that I don't know about? - --confused Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:33:08 -0500 From: "Larry O'Brien" Subject: RE: question for Morpheus users I've been using Gnucleus and I have had no problems so far. It's a Gnutella client. - -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Gross [mailto:chrisg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 11:30 AM To: Squidmaniax! Subject: question for Morpheus users I've noticed that sometimes when other users get a file from me, I end up uploading a lot more than the total size of the file. Right now someone has supposedly uploaded 25152 KB of a 5116 KB file, and they're still going strong. (The little progress scroll bar has gone way past the end of its assigned space, almost to the edge of the monitor.) What does this mean? Is the upload count just inaccurate? Or are people getting more files from me that I don't know about? - --confused Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:37:23 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: G4-400 Gene: > Has anybody used the external USB burners on a G4? I've heard they're > slow and that USB isn't that good for data transfer. Is that accurate? USB is 12Mbps vs. FireWire's 480Mbps, so yeah, it's relatively slow by comparison. But data transfer over USB is as reliable as any data bus - even more so in some cases. Since most every external USB or FireWire drive is just an IDE drive connected to a {USB | 1394} to IDE bridge, you could easily make it yourself. If you've got the raw drive, you could put it in one of these cases: http://www.firewirestuff.com/adskit.html I know people who use these kits with several different drives (e.g., HD and CD). They just swap them out when needed. Or here's a combo USB/FireWire CD-RW for $199: http://www.apstech.com/prod/index.cfm?cat=2#CD_RW later gators, - -tc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #470 ********************************