From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #468 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, December 18 2001 Volume 10 : Number 468 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Scattered Tolkien thoughts ["Kenneth Johnson" ] picking nits ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: Scattered Tolkien thoughts ["Mike Wells" ] Re: picking nits [Michael R Godwin ] different strokes for different folks ["joe cushley" ] Re: Alarm Clocks ["Stewart C. Russell" ] probably penultimate update of the ticket museum ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: lyrics: that new(ish) song ["Stewart C. Russell" ] CONSUME ["Larry O'Brien" ] Re: greatest hits of the cure...again [Miles Goosens ] Re: greatest hits of the cure...again ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: silvery rooms [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] The Quail at the Movies [Sebastian Hagedorn ] gf2 [] Re: greatest hits of the cure...again [Jeff Dwarf ] Vanilla Sky ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Lord of the Toilet Rings ["Maximilian Lang" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:36:48 -0800 From: "Kenneth Johnson" Subject: Re: Scattered Tolkien thoughts (The other hole in the narrative to my way of thinking is when Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli choose to pursue the captured Merry and Pippin rather than follow Frodo). Yes this seems odd at first and they do agonize over it, but they present convincing reasons for not doing so. Namely, so as not to draw attention to the Ringbearer. Keep in mind, one of the main reasons for the Ringbearer being a Hobbit, along with their innocence and resistance to corruption, was that they could slip under Sauron's radar. If the rest of the fellowship had stormed the gates with Frodo or even trailed him there, it would bring unwanted attention. They decide instead to continue South to the wars and along the way do the honorable thing and rescue the friends they are able to help. >Pratchett said something along the lines of "If you don't like LotR at 13, >there's something wrong with you, and if you still like it at 53, there's >something else wrong with you". as someone mid-way between these two ages, I can safely say I find the comment equally absurd. As if there's a half-life on good literature. This is like someone saying that one ought to read Dostoevsky or Satre or Camus only in their early 20's and from there must shake off such angst and move on to more mature reading like David Lodge, or something. I know plenty of adults (I married one) who find fascination and enjoyment with children's lit. well into their middle ages. This is not to say Tolkien's "trilogy" is for kids nescessarily. I've always thought it bridged the gap between young and old better than most books I know of, not to end a sentence with a preposition which I won't. Kenneth-"so incredibly stoked about this silly piece of cinema" ****** "We can have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we cannot have both." - -- Louis Brandeis ******* "What have we achieved in mowing down mountain ranges, harnessing the energy of mighty rivers, or moving whole populations about like chess pieces, if we ourselves remain the same restless, miserable, frustrated creatures we were before? To call such activity progress is utter delusion." -- Henry Miller ********* _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:47:20 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Sean Austin Dwarf: > I have not idea why i know that, nor why it sticks in my head, > especially since I wouldn't know Sean Astin if he walked up and bit me > on the ass. Funny you should say that. About a week ago as I was doing some Christmas shopping with my family, this man walked up to me from behind and literally bit me in the ass. I called mall security, and as they were hauling him away he kept yelling "Don't you know who I am? I'm Sean Austin, Dammit!" Sean Austin alarm clock: Wakes you up by biting you in the ass. You wake up, but have no idea what bit you. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:46:51 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: picking nits > > n. (should it be "Thoths" or "Thoth's"?) > >Now for what possible earthly or unearthly reason would it be >"Thoth's"? >Of course it's "Thoths" . Of course it is; I was just chiding Tom in the gentlest way possible. (Though I'm sure he'd love to be chided more vigorously!) OK, here's another pet peeve of mine (and the beginning of yet another ridiculous thread, no doubt) - I *really* hate it when people put band names in quotes, e.g.: "I went to see the 'Soft Boys' last night." Band names are *proper names*, not *titles,* and don't need quotes. The quotes also seem to indicate that the name or the band is not legitimate somehow. It reminds me of when pop bands weren't really taken seriously, back in the early '60's. I'm sure many papers and magazines used quotes like that - "The popular musical group known as 'The Beatles,'" etc. Anyway, I'll stop now. n. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:49:01 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Scattered Tolkien thoughts Godwin opined: > Tolkien had got well into TTT before he hit on the idea that Aragorn was the returned king, and I think that one major weakness in the structure is that the ranger at Bree doesn't develop convincingly into the returned king. Certainly the Aragorn we see in Bree is an impotent heir to the throne, broken sword and all. I would also agree with what (I think) you're saying when the Ranger part of his character - tracker, woodsman, and all-around Man About Eriador - is better fleshed out through action in FoTR and TTT than the King Aragorn is in the latter portions of TTT and RoTK. But the transformation definitely takes place, and I always felt that that aspect of the story was downplayed 'into the background' as it were so as not to detract so much from the story immediately surrounding the ring's final journey into Mordor. > (The other hole in the narrative to my way of thinking is when Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli choose to pursue the captured Merry and Pippin rather than follow Frodo). To the contrary, I think this is one of the absolutely key moments of the story. It brings the wider world full of characters and their motivations into play; Saruman (the corrupting power at work), the Ents (Arda's ultimate inviolability to the corrupting power, as also evidenced by Tom Bombadil but more powerful), and Rohan (the old ally, corrupted but able to overcome) not least among them. All of these richen and deepen these ( ) themes that had already been introduced. I will admit that Aragorn's decision does seem to bring about 'scheduled' events that seem to conveniently validate this Ranger-to-King transformation (i.e. the first meeting with Eomer, the Paths of the Dead), but as Kenneth points out there were very specific reasons why they didn't try to follow the ringbearer. > However, I couldn't make head or tail of the Pratchett book I essayed, so stuff him (it seemed to be all about luggage, and was possibly supposed to be amusing). THE Luggage of Discworld? Pratchett can be terribly uneven, like I find Gaiman. Half his stuff I could bag and the other half is fantastic. Maybe it's my medication. Michael "laugh-a-minute" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:52:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: picking nits On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Natalie Jane wrote: > OK, here's another pet peeve of mine (and the beginning of yet another > ridiculous thread, no doubt) - I *really* hate it when people put band names > in quotes, e.g.: "I went to see the 'Soft Boys' last night." Band names are > *proper names*, not *titles,* and don't need quotes. This reminds of the days when the Melody Maker used to insist that proper group names were singular, as in "The Who is playing Charlton Athletic stadium again this year". I have a nasty suspicion that the grammar is correct, but it reads very oddly. - - Michael "Mike" Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:04:32 +0000 From: "joe cushley" Subject: different strokes for different folks Kay summed up my opinion of The Strokes perfectly - both their music and lyrics. >What they are is just too made to order. Compared to The White Stripes (who are in a lot ways quite comparable) they just haven't got the same edge. They don't re-invent their influences in as interesting or exciting a way. Some of Jack White's lyrics are incredibly moving, and live they are astonishingly charismatic. The Strokes, for me, just don't 'roar', and aren't 'raw' (homophone corner). I find myself asking Is This It...? (Clever, huh? ;-)) Crowbar Joe PS. Jewels For Sophia and Underwater Moonlight are both in the MOJO 1000. A Mojo mag special covering the 1000 best currently available CDs. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:05:51 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: G4-400 I have a g4-400 tower (single Processor) is there an available bay to add a cd-writer in the machine? mine is currently nicely wedged holding up half of my library of books.... any help would be appreciated! Happy holidays! Herbie np -> "Wax Doll" Robyn Hitchcock or 'Robyn Hitchcock' ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:14:55 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Alarm Clocks Bachman, Michael wrote: > > Gram Parsons alarm clock: Wake up to the smell and sound of a hickory wind. phew, I thought you were going to mention that thing with the ice cube... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:22:43 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: probably penultimate update of the ticket museum I got some tickets from Martin Mayhew and Darren Stephens; the site is here: http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/fegtickets.html As I'm likely to be without bandwidth for some months from mid-march or so, this is probably the last you'll see of it. Stewart - -- Stewart C. Russell, Kirkintilloch, Scotland - scruss@enterprise.net "...eat the fruit of the clue tree." - Sam Tracy http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:33:27 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: greatest hits of the cure...again On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > I doubt anyone with even the slightest interest in the > Cure needs to be told not to bother with the new greatest > hits album, though. The two new songs are third-rate at seems like it would be a good option for someone with the "slightest" interest in the cure, actually, and i thought the acoustic version of "spiderman" was very nearly worth the price of admission. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:12:24 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: lyrics: that new(ish) song Michael R Godwin wrote: > > Could it be ... this is just off the wall, you understand ... > / > le Surete and le CIA? not really, no -- it's definitely a "sh" sound at the start of both. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:16:15 EST From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Lord of the Toilet Rings After re-reading LOTR, I'm sure the movies will be better than the books. I hated the structure and narrative style so much, I almost put it down on multiple occasions. Specifically, this is what I hated: Instead of wrapping us up in a scene, Tolkien has much of the action occur "off screen". Gandalf disappears, then shows up many chapters later to "recount his tale"... It takes all the tension out, when the character shows up alive and unharmed, and he just talks about what happened. And that happens all over the books. It seems like a bunch of people walking around, talking about the adventures that happened off screen- It's not all like that, I have to point out cause I'm on the Feglist where people love to poke holes in everything, but Tolkien did it often enough to annoy the hell out of me. Next, the book structure... By Return of the King, it is so Freakin Annoying to finish book 5, only to go back in time and start book 6. How about just keeping up with the characters in real time, building tension as the story goes. It's so lame, and the movies will obviously not adhere to this story structure, for the better... Next, the fucking characters burst into song at every corner. My God, if one character sang one more song I was going to go nuts. I flipped through the books and showed my wife "See, where you see italics, someone is singing and a whole room full of people are supposed to be respectfully listening." How about someone saying "Hey Legolas, shut the fuck up and just tell it like it is" Next, Sam Gamgee literally bursts into tears at least 10 times per book. He's a total idiot in the book, and I'll bet he doesn't literally burst into tears all through the flick... Yes, it will be a better movie, mostly becuase, in my opinion, it's a great story told very poorly Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:39:27 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: picking Nat's On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Michael R Godwin wrote: > This reminds of the days when the Melody Maker used to insist that proper > group names were singular, as in "The Who is playing Charlton Athletic > stadium again this year". I have a nasty suspicion that the grammar is > correct, but it reads very oddly. I think this is a British/American difference, with the Americans generally preferring the usage you quote (regarding groups as singular, as a collective entity) and the British conceiving of them as plural, as several individuals ("The Who are playing..."). Anglophile Americans sometimes adopt the latter usage... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::pushing the pencil not the envelope:: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:45:10 -0500 From: "Larry O'Brien" Subject: CONSUME http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Obtuse/ Finally, a Christmas album I can live with. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:05:15 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: greatest hits of the cure...again At 01:33 PM 12/18/2001 -0500, dmw wrote: >On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > >> I doubt anyone with even the slightest interest in the >> Cure needs to be told not to bother with the new greatest >> hits album, though. The two new songs are third-rate at > >seems like it would be a good option for someone with the "slightest" >interest in the cure, actually, I'm with doug on this one. I think if someone curious about the Cure picked it up, they'd have a chance to hear representative songs from every phase of the Cure's career and thus have a very good idea if further exploration was warranted. And as someone who owns all the "main" releases of the Cure, I was happy to get the acoustic disc (I also paid only the single-disc price, for anyone keeping score), and I think the two new songs are excellent, "Cut Here" in particular. I'd've paid the same amount of money or more for some import two-CD5 set with the new tracks, so I don't feel ripped off at all. > and i thought the acoustic version of >"spiderman" was very nearly worth the price of admission. "Lullaby" does turn out well in that format -- wasn't it also a standout when the Cure did UNPLUGGED some years back? It's been so long since I saw that performance... missing the kazoos on the new acoustic "The Walk," Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:20:45 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: greatest hits of the cure...again On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Miles Goosens wrote: > I'm with doug on this one. I think if someone curious about the Cure > picked it up, they'd have a chance to hear representative songs from > every phase of the Cure's career and thus have a very good idea if > further exploration was warranted. Well, I wouldn't go that far. It shorts early Cure severely (maybe so the DVD could have the same running order? I have no idea whether there were videos for "Primary" et al.); the curious novice would be better off buying Staring At The Sea + Galore. > missing the kazoos on the new acoustic "The Walk," Yes! Another desire I didn't know I had until it was quashed. Had someone asked if I'd seen the Cure on Unplugged I'd have said no, but on hearing The Walk done acoustic again it came rushing back. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:26:23 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: nicking pits At 01:39 PM 12/18/2001 -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > > This reminds of the days when the Melody Maker used to insist that proper > > group names were singular, as in "The Who is playing Charlton Athletic > > stadium again this year". I have a nasty suspicion that the grammar is > > correct, but it reads very oddly. > >I think this is a British/American difference, with the Americans >generally preferring the usage you quote (regarding groups as singular, as >a collective entity) and the British conceiving of them as plural, as >several individuals ("The Who are playing..."). While it may an American/British difference in the sense that the Brits might not use the singular construction for bandnames as often as Americans, I don't agree that Americans rarely use the plural. I'd say it's more like 50% of time, although that may be regional. I hear "The Cure is playing..." as often as I hear "Matchbox 20 are playing..." Band names that are already pluralized, of course, are almost invariably conceived of as plural. For example, you might say something like "The Minders are bashing in Charlton Heston's skull." Interestingly enough with a term like "band" rather than a proper noun, it seems like most people would almost always use the singular. For example, "the band is made up of people." Or would the British say "are"? Jason, who thought up a few alarm clocks, but they all sucked "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:34:07 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: greatest hits of the cure...again At 03:20 PM 12/18/2001 -0500, Aaron Mandel wrote: >I have no idea whether there were >videos for "Primary" et al.); the curious novice would be better off >buying Staring At The Sea + Galore. There are videos for just about every single, and they're all assembled on the VHS (and perhaps DVD?) collections "Staring at the Sea" and "Galore." I believe one or two of the videos for the early singles, "Killing an Arab" most notably, were done 'ex post facto' for the video collection. I remember the one for "Primary," and that it wasn't very good. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:40:03 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: greatest hits of the cure...again At 03:20 PM 12/18/2001 -0500, Aaron Mandel wrote: >On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Miles Goosens wrote: > >> I'm with doug on this one. I think if someone curious about the Cure >> picked it up, they'd have a chance to hear representative songs from >> every phase of the Cure's career and thus have a very good idea if >> further exploration was warranted. > >Well, I wouldn't go that far. It shorts early Cure severely (maybe so the >DVD could have the same running order? I have no idea whether there were >videos for "Primary" et al.); the curious novice would be better off >buying Staring At The Sea + Galore. I suggested something like that on Loud-Fans, but it was to Jer, who (1) had already been interested in the Cure but never had followed up with a purchase, and (2) had already bought and enjoyed the new hits disc. I agree that the two comps give a much better overview, but having a career-spanning single disc might breach barriers that a two-CD set couldn't. I know I'm less likely to take a chance with $30 new/$20 used than I would be with $15 new/$10 used. OK, I did fork out $25 for the Fall's 458489 A-SIDES and 458489 B-SIDES (both used) at one go, but I knew I was ready for them -- God or Wire or Pat Fish had prepared the way. >> missing the kazoos on the new acoustic "The Walk," > >Yes! Another desire I didn't know I had until it was quashed. Had someone >asked if I'd seen the Cure on Unplugged I'd have said no, but on hearing >The Walk done acoustic again it came rushing back. If memory serves, they also outfitted the UNPLUGGED audience with kazoos, so it was an Audience Participation Kazoo-Along. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:44:40 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Scattered Tolkien thoughts Kenneth Johnson wrote: > > as someone mid-way between these two ages, I can safely say I find the > comment equally absurd. if there's one good thing to come out of this LOTR hoohah, it's that Bored Of The Rings is back in print (in several editions! the irony is too heavy!) Stewart (who has free tix to see it, but can't be arsed.) - -- Stewart C. Russell, Kirkintilloch, Scotland - scruss@enterprise.net "...eat the fruit of the clue tree." - Sam Tracy http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:57:04 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Not that they're taking LOTR at all seriously in NZ >Get your LOTR postage stamp set - > >bin/nzstamps/web_store/web_store.cgi?cart_id=&page=lotr.html> yeah, it's appalling, isn't it? This had better be as good as the hype suggests or Peter Jackson may be forced to go into hiding... James ("Ev'rybody's Tolkien at me...") James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:00:01 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: I don't get it James then Eb: >>anthems of punk and the angst of grunge to the wall of distortion that is >>Stereolab, Snapper, and My Bloody Valentine." > >Stereolab is a "wall of distortion"? No, that's Stereolab's reputation, not their music! ;-) later, Miles founder and sole member of the "I don't get Stereolab, GbV, MBV, or Pavement" Club ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:57:38 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: silvery rooms >Ahh, the memories. When I was a freshman in college, a couple of my >friends "wallpapered" their dorm room with aluminum foil. It looked >pretty cool at night or with the curtains closed, but just *wrong* in >natural light. was one of them Andy Warhol? >Kay, yup, someone who actually listens to the lyrics oo! You'd probably like that Robyn Hitchcock guy then ;) James ("...can't hear a word they're sayin'...") James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 23:04:18 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: The Quail at the Movies - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I just got back from watching "Thomas Pynchon, A Look Into the Mind of P." (not sure about the second part of the name). You guessed it: it's a documentary on Thomas Pynchon. The film was made by people with Italian names from here in Cologne (Kvln), but they basically filmed various places where Pynchon has been or is rumored to have been. They also interviewed various people who spend a lot of time on Pynchon and his works. When among those were two webmasters, I began to wonder. And of course, somewhat towards the end of the film there is an interview with one Allen Rush! You never told us about that, did you? Your appartment looked very nice. I liked the animals on your iMac! I enjoyed the film, although it went on for a little too long for my taste. It's not even in the IMDB yet! Probably it's premiering here in Cologne. Greetings, Sebastian - - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Winter is coming. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (Darwin) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8H71jGXsGmU0QW0URAoEDAKDt9N85rScyvx6HwF7Sp5tW8azLrgCfb1rS 9b/M1/ELNDgZtAJz+UxFrJ4= =cCT/ - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:56:27 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: G4-400 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - - -- Mike Swedene is rumored to have mumbled on Dienstag, 18. Dezember 2001 10:05 Uhr -0800 regarding G4-400: > I have a g4-400 tower (single Processor) > is there an available bay to add a cd-writer in the > machine? No, you'd have to replace the built-in CD or DVD drive... Cheers, Sebastian - - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Winter is coming. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (Darwin) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8H7uRGXsGmU0QW0URArHRAJ97h0fW/QpbwH3BWpxN2LwcBUdGYACg7xzI ys57pRp3PAnuBEUF0NkPw5U= =zK9O - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:21:16 -0000 From: Subject: gf2 stupid job. stupid mailing labels. stupid congress. keeping me too busy to read about alarm clocks or the cure. just wanted to report the glasss flesh 2 release party was much fun. the new glass hotel is very nice and to a city apartment dweller, huge. lots of interesting folks and even feg parents. favorite line of the evening - guess what's behind my toilet i now have both gf1 and 2. both sound wonderful. the deluxe packaging on 2 is amazing and even convinced a friend of mine who doesn't listen to robyn to get the cd. lj where did you get the fish? melissa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:02:03 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: greatest hits of the cure...again i thought the healers were johnny marr's new band...but... "Jason R. Thornton" wrote: > There are videos for just about every single, and they're all > assembled on the VHS (and perhaps DVD?) collections "Staring at the > Sea" and "Galore." in fact, for all of them. > I believe one or two of the videos for the early singles, "Killing > an Arab" most notably, were done 'ex post facto' for the video > collection. the first three. KAA was the old man on the sleeve wandering around a beach; Boys Don't Cry was the re-mixed version, with Robert, Lol, and Michael miming behind curtains, with (i think) some kids miming in front, though I might be wrong about the kids. Jumping Someone Else's Train was just a train trip followed from above the train and high speed. > I remember the one for "Primary," and that it wasn't very good. the ones for "A Forest," "Play for Today," "Primary," and "Other Voices" were just them lipsyncing with moody lighting. pretty boring. Miles Goosens wrote: > If memory serves, they also outfitted the UNPLUGGED audience with > kazoos [for the walk], so it was an Audience Participation Kazoo- > Along. actually, i think it was just there road crew. ===== "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:12:40 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Vanilla Sky Review: Byecccchhhhhhhhhhh. Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:25:28 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Lord of the Toilet Rings >After re-reading LOTR, I'm sure the movies will be better than the books. >I >hated the structure and narrative style so much, I almost put it down on >multiple occasions. Whew, It's not just me. I read The Hobbit in the 8'th grade, loved it and wanted more. I picked up the trilogy and plowed in. It started alright but by the time I got into the second book I had enough. It really is kind of clunky to me. In theory I love it and I do love the story but as a read it was just ...I don't know I can't recall being so unglued to a page of material that interested me. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #468 ********************************