From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #467 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, December 18 2001 Volume 10 : Number 467 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Fwd: Pill to Increase Your Ejaculation by 581% [gSs ] Music o' 2001 [Eb ] Speaking of natalie.... [Mike Swedene ] PS (news) [Eb ] now I wanna be your Thoth ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: now I wanna be your Thoth [Tom Clark ] Re: greatest hits of the cure...again ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: I don't get it [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Macrauchenia [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: I don't get it [Eb ] Reap(belated) ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: now I wanna be your Thoth [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: lyrics: that new(ish) song [Michael R Godwin ] Scattered Tolkien thoughts [Michael R Godwin ] Frodo's age ["matt sewell" ] Re: Frodo's age [FS Thomas ] Alarm Clocks ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Robyn in January ["Mike Wells" ] Re: Scattered Tolkien thoughts [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: I just donr get it ["Redtailed Hawk" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:44:21 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Fwd: Pill to Increase Your Ejaculation by 581% On Sun, 16 Dec 2001, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > and where, besides working in porn or a few of the friskier gay clubs > would you ever need or even want to shoot up to 13 feet. What if it was a really really big girl? > doesn't that just mean more clean up? That would of course depend on the target. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:00:27 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Especially for Natalie On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Tom Clark wrote: > http://electricrain.com/greg/foiled/index.html Ahh, the memories. When I was a freshman in college, a couple of my friends "wallpapered" their dorm room with aluminum foil. It looked pretty cool at night or with the curtains closed, but just *wrong* in natural light. Speaking of memories, during the summer after college I had a job where three of my coworkers were former high-school football players. According to one lunchtime conversation (in which I did not actively participate), they all had taken steroids while playing, and they had all experienced similar side effects, one of which was a great increase in ejaculate volume. It was one of the only interesting conversations I heard at that job, now that I think about it. - --Chris "Hell, even the school librarian sees more action than me." --Xander, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:02:09 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Music o' 2001 Well, this is as good a time as any to fling out some year-end views. A bit more elaboration can be found in the whereabouts of http://home.earthlink.net/~elbroome/np.html and http://home.earthlink.net/~elbroome/np2001.html My ooh-fficial top 10 of 2001: 1. Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds/No More Shall We Part (Reprise) 2. Bob Dylan/Love and Theft (Columbia) 3. Foetus/Flow (Thirsty Ear) 4. Ben Folds/Rockin' the Suburbs (Epic) 5. Bjork/Vespertine (Elektra) 6. The Strokes/Is This It (RCA) 7. The Minus 5/Let the War Against Music Begin (Malt/Mammoth) 8. The Kingsbury Manx/Let You Down (Overcoat) 9. Quasi/The Sword of God (Touch & Go) 10. Guided by Voices/Isolation Drills (TVT) Three albums which everyone on Earth is picking (Dylan, Bjork, Strokes), four which are fairly off-the-wall (Foetus, Minus 5, Kingsbury Manx, Quasi) and three which are somewhere in-between. Or so it seems to me. This list is fairly close to my initial "rough draft," prior to revisiting a bunch of discs. The big changes were that I dumped Of Montreal and the Ladybug Transistor, and added the Kingsbury Manx and Guided by Voices. Also, I dropped Bjork a couple of notches. Top 10 quality, but "ineligible": Nuggets II, Jason Falkner/The 4-Track Years, XTC/Homegrown. My #11-20: Graeme Downes/Hammers and Anvils, Soundtrack/Moulin Rouge, The Ladybug Transistor/Argyle Heir, Of Montreal/Coquelicot Asleep in the Poppies: A Variety of Whimsical Verse, Stephen Malkmus/Stephen Malkmus, Kristin Hersh/Sunny Border Blue, Stereolab/Sound-Dust, Mouse on Mars/Idiology, Spiritualized/Let It Come Down, David Thomas & Two Pale Boys/Surf's Up Some unheard albums which I'm still itchin' to check out: the Avalanches/Since I Left You, the Dismemberment Plan/Change, Mogwai/Rock Action, the White Stripes/White Blood Cells, Tenacious D/Tenacious D, Tortoise/Standards, the Beta Band/Hot Shots II, Bright Eyes/Every Day and Every Night, Matmos/A Chance to Cut is a Chance to Cure, the Old 97s/Satellite Rides, Travis/Invisible Band, McCartney/Driving Rain. The best catalog record which I added to my collection: The Beach Boys/Today, hands down. Actually, if I made a top 10, there would be at least four other Beach Boys albums on the list. Beach Boys reissues accounted for about half of the older albums I added this year. The five best concerts I saw, in a darn good year for shows: 1. Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds 2. Roxy Music 3. Badly Drawn Boy 4. Richard Thompson 5. Midnight Oil Notable disappointments...oh, but there were so many! 1. Missing practically all of an impossibly rare Wild Man Fischer show 2. Rufus Wainwright/Poses 3. R.E.M./Reveal 4. George Harrison losing the battle 5. Spiritualized/Let It Come Down 6. Laurie Anderson/Life on a String 7. The Minders/Golden Street 8. Weezer/Weezer Also: Robert Scott/The Creeping Unknown, the Young Fresh Fellows/Because We Hate You, the Blake Babies/God Bless the Blake Babies, Snow Patrol/When It's All Over We Still Have to Clear Up, Marc Ribot/Saints, To Rococo Rot & I-Sound/Music is a Hungry Ghost, Vic Chesnutt/Left to His Own Devices, the Clean/Getaway, Air/10,000 Hz Legend, Superchunk/Here's to Shutting Up, Placebo/Black Market Music, Brian Eno & J. Peter Schwalm/Drawn From Life, Lambchop/Tools in the Dryer, Stereolab/Sound-Dust, Tori Amos/Strange Little Girls, Butthole Surfers/Weird Revolution, Bis/Return to Central, Suzanne Vega/Songs in Red and Gray. Whew. The worst discs of the year (or, six albums which plunged me into utter agony): Big Dumb Face/Duke Lion Fights the Terror Stella Soleil/Dirty Little Secret Endo/Evolve Death by Chocolate/Death by Chocolate Lift to Experience/The Texas Jerusalem Crossroads Halfcocked/The Last Star Nicest personal discoveries 1. That Bob Dylan had another classic album left in him 2. Excellent Nick Cave, Foetus, Kristin Hersh, Guided by Voices and Ben Folds albums which sharply reversed previous declines...ditto for last year's Bettie Serveert album, which I didn't hear until 2001 3. The Strokes 4. The Kingsbury Manx 5. Much-better-than-expected albums from the Minus 5, the Ladybug Transistor, Firewater and David Thomas 6. That Roxy Music didn't lose the touch during a 18-year absence 7. The "Moulin Rouge" soundtrack 8. Scattered obscurities on the Nuggets II boxset 9. That Graeme Downes didn't lose the touch during a four-year absence 10. A handful of neat Beach Boys obscurities on the pre-Pet Sounds reissues 11. Stephen Malkmus' adorably sweet "Jenny & the Ess-Dog" 12. A kick-ass Midnight Oil show 13. Sigur Ros 14. Listen to What the Man Said, a better-than-expected Paul McCartney tribute 15. That I enjoyed XTC's Homegrown demos album more than Wasp Star itself 16. The Cowboy Junkies...not as boring in concert as I always assumed 17. Matthew Jay 18. Pleasure Forever 19. (Probably) the Avalanches, once I get the album... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:03:47 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Speaking of natalie.... VCR Alert..... Natalie Merchant Oxygen channel 12/21 at 8 pm. if u r into her newer stuff..... but there are more people who bought this album (at least on THIS side of the pond) than the new Mick Jagger gem! herbie np -> "just come closer" Scratching Post (available on MP3.com) ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:09:43 -0800 From: Eb Subject: PS (news) Read in the paper today that David Bowie has abruptly split from Virgin Records, and plans release music on his own label. Huh. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:21:14 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: now I wanna be your Thoth >I've listened to that Strokes CD that everyone's been going on about >a few >times now, and all I seem to hear is recycled Iggy Pop. Yeah, me too. I was listening to them in a record store and all I could hear was their influences. Not bad, certainly, but nothing to warrant the hype they've been getting. There must be a hundred bands in the Detroit area alone who sound just like them. They'll be forgotten about in a year, I'm sure. >I don't know if this occurs in other parts of the world, but here in > >Silicon Valley there's a tradition of doing weird things to people's > >offices when they go on vacation. This one of the best I've seen. >All >it needs is one of gnat's thoth's! Oh my god, that's beautiful. I love the attention to detail - e.g. wrapping each individual dry-erase marker. Kudos to the perpetrators! n. (should it be "Thoths" or "Thoth's"?) _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:27:47 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: now I wanna be your Thoth on 12/17/01 2:21 PM, Natalie Jane at emma_blowgun@hotmail.com wrote: > > n. (should it be "Thoths" or "Thoth's"?) > Yes, I noticed that after I sent it. I'm so ashamed... - -tc n.w. - "Love My Way", Psych. Furs on VH1 Classic ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:34:49 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: greatest hits of the cure...again on 12/17/01 11:38 AM, Aaron Mandel at aaron@eecs.harvard.edu wrote: > On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > >> I doubt anyone with even the slightest interest in the >> Cure needs to be told not to bother with the new greatest >> hits album, though. > > i doubt anyone needs to be told that either, since it's not true. :p > the two new songs are very good -- certainly better than Wish and Wild > Mood Swings Astonishing. Obviously this is a subjective matter, but I can barely stand to listen to either of the two new songs. _Wish_ took me a while to appreciate, but if I skip "Do the Unstuck" and usually "Wendy Time" and "Cut" I'm left with a damned good Cure album. _Wild Mood Swings_ is far less defensible, but I'll easily take "Treasure," "Jupiter Crash," "Mint Car," and even the silly "Club America" over either of those two new songs. > -- and you also get both "Never Enough" and "Wrong Number", > neither of which i had before because i rarely buy compilations for one or > two new songs. That's true, and actually I like both those songs a lot. I have three "Never Enough"s now: on _Mixed Up_, which is a nightmare but worth it for the versions of "A Forest" and "The Walk" alone; on _Galore_, which unfortunately includes two of _Wild Mood Swings_'s lamer tracks and also "Close to Me," which I never need to hear again for the rest of my life; and on its own single, which also includes the delicious "Harold and Joe." So I guess if you don't have _Galore_ this is maybe worthwhile. Then you can burn your own Cure mix and leave the compilations on the shelf. > and then there's the real reason i'm defending the thing: > the bonus acoustic disc, which has some excellent performances on it. Now that is tempting. I didn't realize it came with the acoustic performances; I thought those were DVD-only extras. > i'm told the two-disc version costs over $20 in some places, in which case > i could see writing it off as unnecessary, but i paid single-disc price > and am well pleased. Right, so let me revise: anyone who already owns _Galore_ should pick this up used, if at all. Drew - -- http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ "You're living in a global shopping mall, and you're the only person who still thinks there's a bloody exit." - Edina Monsoon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:26:36 -0000 From: "Rob" Subject: Robyn in January Not listed on robynhitchcock.com yet but according to ticket agency Wayahead.com he's on at the Garage in London on 25th Jan, is this news? There are RH/Soft Boys fans outside the London & Home Counties! OK, I shouldn't really moan as it's much more feasible for me to get to London than most of the fegmaniax. - -- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:45:05 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: I don't get it >James: >>I've listened to that Strokes CD that everyone's been going on about a few >>times now, and all I seem to hear is recycled Iggy Pop. I just don't get >>it. Any suggestions? What am I missing? > >Well, did you really *expect* to like it? I mean, your favorite bands >are usually shimmering jingle-jangle and/or antipodean, and the >Strokes obviously don't fit either of those categories.... > >I also certainly wouldn't have told you that the compressed 'n' dingy >Strokes have "a strong sense of three-dimensional space" or would >"make [you] feel like [your] mind is no longer trapped within [your] >everyday existence - music or art that feels like a separate world >based on a slightly different, yet logical, physics." ;) hrmph. Well, pretentious it maybe, but at least it means you read it :) As to my favourite bands, if you'd read my ste a bit more thoroughly, you'd notice the following on my musical tastes: "Now add 'noise-music' - from the streetwise proto-punk of the Velvet Underground, through the strident anthems of punk and the angst of grunge to the wall of distortion that is Stereolab, Snapper, and My Bloody Valentine." It wasn't too much to hope that the Strokes would hit that particular pleasure-centre. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:45:15 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Macrauchenia >> now I'm confused. Not having seen the programme, was it supposed to be a >> Tasmanian wolf or a Tasmanian tiger? They are completely diffeent species - >> one of them died out ages ago, the other only became extinct about 80 years >> ago. > >refers to it as a tiger-wolf. Other sites >e.g. http://members.aol.com/tigertrail/tasmanin.htm >confirm that Taz 'wolf' and 'tiger' are alternative names for the same >marsupial - the thylacine - which became extinct in 1936 after the farmers >deliberately wiped it out (the local authority paid a bounty on each one >shot). I won't mention what they did to the Tasmanian aborigines ... erk. My fault. My addled festive-stressed brain was thinking of the Tasmanian Devil, which AFAIK is still extant. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:33:02 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: I don't get it >As to my favourite bands, if you'd read my ste a bit more thoroughly, you'd >notice the following on my musical tastes: "Now add 'noise-music' - from >the streetwise proto-punk of the Velvet Underground, through the strident >anthems of punk and the angst of grunge to the wall of distortion that is >Stereolab, Snapper, and My Bloody Valentine." Stereolab is a "wall of distortion"? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:25:11 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Reap(belated) Rufus Thomas. I had the pleasure of meeting, well, seeing him in person in Memphis at Sun Studios. He was old. Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:27:23 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: now I wanna be your Thoth On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Natalie Jane wrote: > > >Silicon Valley there's a tradition of doing weird things to people's > > >offices when they go on vacation. This one of the best I've seen. >All > >it needs is one of gnat's thoth's! > > Oh my god, that's beautiful. I love the attention to detail - e.g. wrapping > each individual dry-erase marker. Kudos to the perpetrators! Once, to annoy an overly anal-compulsive roommate, I wrapped our telephone in aluminum foil and put it in the fridge. > n. (should it be "Thoths" or "Thoth's"?) Now for what possible earthly or unearthly reason would it be "Thoth's"? Of course it's "Thoths" . Oh. Here comes the nice lady in the white suit. What are those little pills she's grinding into my jello? And why are the sleeves of this jacket so very, very long? - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing.... ::As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. __Neal Stephenson, SNOW CRASH__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:35:48 -0600 From: steve Subject: Not that they're taking LOTR at all seriously in NZ Get your LOTR postage stamp set - - - Steve __________ Just when you thought things couldn't get any worse, the bumbling, tongue-tied Dick Armey announces his retirement as House majority leader and the shrewd, malevolent Tom DeLay, now Republican whip, moves quickly-and probably successfully-to succeed him. - Cragg Hines, Houston Chronicle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:33:04 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Robyn in January I also saw this listed somewhere... forgot to post it to the list. It's billed as Robyn Hitchcock as opposed to the Soft Boys - as wonderful as seeing the Soft Boys is, I could quite go for a solo show (at least the last 7 Robyn shows I've been to have been the SBs)... Where are you based, Rob? In the UK, though, presumably? Matt, fondly remembering those 12 Bar Club shows of '96... >From: "Rob" >Reply-To: "Rob" >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Robyn in January >Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:26:36 -0000 > >Not listed on robynhitchcock.com yet but according to ticket agency >Wayahead.com he's on at the Garage in London on 25th Jan, is this >news? > > There are RH/Soft Boys fans outside the London & Home >Counties! OK, I shouldn't really moan as it's much more >feasible for me to get to London than most of the fegmaniax. > >-- >Rob - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:44:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: lyrics: that new(ish) song > matt sewell wrote: > > But what the hell's le chariti, or le shay for that matter..? > On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > my first thought was that it was influenced by the symbolists, but now > I'm not so sure. Could it be ... this is just off the wall, you understand ... / le Surete and le CIA? - - Mike 'paranoia strikes deep' Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:21:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Scattered Tolkien thoughts I watched the South Bank Tolkien prog which was quite good. Interviewees included John Boorman, who had apparently tried and failed to make a LotR film; Peter Jackson; Humphrey Carpenter; Terry Pratchett; Ian McKellen; and that prof from Bristol who usually has something worthwhile to say. No sign of Tom Shippey or Christopher Tolkien - presumably they have been signed up by the forthcoming BBC Omnibus show (though I wouldn't be surprised if CR declined the cameras altogether). The main howler was the interspersed shots of an Oxford study with a Tollers lookalike _typing_ at speed. JRRT always handwrote his books, and only typed up copies with difficulty. Carpenter oddly appeared to prefer FotR to the later books - a view which strikes me as bizarre. The first time I borrowed a volume from the local library, FotR was out, so I started with TTT and was immediately gripped. When I finally got around to FotR I felt that the tone wobbled in the early chapters. I have recently been ploughing through 'The treason of Isengard' and it is interesting to see how fast and unhesitatingly Tolkien zoomed through those chapters from the Uruk-hai to the Ents. In contrast, most of FotR was rewritten about 5 times, getting through such hobbits such as Bingo, Odo, Folco and Faramond in the process, not to mention Peregrin Boffin, who eventually mutated into Aragorn (Aragorn goes through about 11 maddening name-changes in the drafts). Tolkien had got well into TTT before he hit on the idea that Aragorn was the returned king, and I think that one major weakness in the structure is that the ranger at Bree doesn't develop convincingly into the returned king. (The other hole in the narrative to my way of thinking is when Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli choose to pursue the captured Merry and Pippin rather than follow Frodo). Pratchett said something along the lines of "If you don't like LotR at 13, there's something wrong with you, and if you still like it at 53, there's something else wrong with you". As a 53-year-old, I felt personally insulted - just like that IKEA campaign against people with beards. However, I couldn't make head or tail of the Pratchett book I essayed, so stuff him (it seemed to be all about luggage, and was possibly supposed to be amusing). From what I've seen of the film clips, a lot of the scenes look fairly good, although the statues at Argonath(?) are too Roger Dean for my taste - - I'd have them bulkier and more crumbling. I do have reservations about Frodo's age, though - isn't he supposed to be 33? - - Mike "Mauhur" Godwin PS Is Sean Astin related to John Astin of "I'm Dickens, he's Fenster" fame? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:32:02 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Frodo's age Don't forget he's a hobbit - they age differently to humans IIRC... Jesus, this is the kind of spoddy, know-it-all post I usually deplore... Matt "self-deploring" Sewell >From: Michael R Godwin >Reply-To: Michael R Godwin >To: fegmaniax >Subject: Scattered Tolkien thoughts >Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:21:55 +0000 (GMT) > >I watched the South Bank Tolkien prog which was quite good. Interviewees >included John Boorman, who had apparently tried and failed to make a LotR >film; Peter Jackson; Humphrey Carpenter; Terry Pratchett; Ian McKellen; >and that prof from Bristol who usually has something worthwhile to say. No >sign of Tom Shippey or Christopher Tolkien - presumably they have been >signed up by the forthcoming BBC Omnibus show (though I wouldn't be >surprised if CR declined the cameras altogether). > >The main howler was the interspersed shots of an Oxford study with a >Tollers lookalike _typing_ at speed. JRRT always handwrote his books, and >only typed up copies with difficulty. > >Carpenter oddly appeared to prefer FotR to the later books - a view which >strikes me as bizarre. The first time I borrowed a volume from the local >library, FotR was out, so I started with TTT and was immediately gripped. >When I finally got around to FotR I felt that the tone wobbled in the >early chapters. > >I have recently been ploughing through 'The treason of Isengard' and it is >interesting to see how fast and unhesitatingly Tolkien zoomed through >those chapters from the Uruk-hai to the Ents. In contrast, most of FotR >was rewritten about 5 times, getting through such hobbits such as Bingo, >Odo, Folco and Faramond in the process, not to mention Peregrin Boffin, >who eventually mutated into Aragorn (Aragorn goes through about 11 >maddening name-changes in the drafts). Tolkien had got well into TTT >before he hit on the idea that Aragorn was the returned king, and I think >that one major weakness in the structure is that the ranger at Bree >doesn't develop convincingly into the returned king. (The other hole in >the narrative to my way of thinking is when Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli >choose to pursue the captured Merry and Pippin rather than follow Frodo). > >Pratchett said something along the lines of "If you don't like LotR at 13, >there's something wrong with you, and if you still like it at 53, there's >something else wrong with you". As a 53-year-old, I felt personally >insulted - just like that IKEA campaign against people with beards. >However, I couldn't make head or tail of the Pratchett book I essayed, so >stuff him (it seemed to be all about luggage, and was possibly supposed to >be amusing). > >From what I've seen of the film clips, a lot of the scenes look fairly >good, although the statues at Argonath(?) are too Roger Dean for my taste >- I'd have them bulkier and more crumbling. I do have reservations about >Frodo's age, though - isn't he supposed to be 33? > > >- Mike "Mauhur" Godwin > >PS Is Sean Astin related to John Astin of "I'm Dickens, he's Fenster" >fame? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 05:50:14 -0800 (PST) From: FS Thomas Subject: Re: Frodo's age - --- matt sewell spoddidly said: > Don't forget he's a hobbit - they age differently to > humans IIRC... Not to mention the fact that the ring's supposed to have some sort of a preserving quality... Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:58:21 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: Alarm Clocks Gram Parsons alarm clock: Wake up to the smell and sound of a hickory wind. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:17:57 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Robyn in January > Subject: Re: Robyn in January > on Wayahead.com he's > on at the Garage in London on 25th Jan, It has also been noted earlier that Grant Lee Phillips is playing the Garage on the previous two nights. It wouldn't be a stretch to expect another Grant Lee Hitchcock show or two, would it...? I currently have no plans to be in London in late January, but would give my spleen and perhaps other less vital organs to have this (these) three nights tapermaniaxed... Michael "the really shallow end" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 06:58:38 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Scattered Tolkien thoughts Michael R Godwin wrote: > PS Is Sean Astin related to John Astin of "I'm Dickens, he's Fenster" > fame? Sean Astin is the son of John "Addams Family the TV show" Astin and Patty "identical cousins my ass" Duke. I have not idea why i know that, nor why it sticks in my head, especially since I wouldn't know Sean Astin if he walked up and bit me on the ass. ===== "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:21:45 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Re: I just donr get it Per Strokes-- Yes, Iggy, also for my Replacements and VU. I like the sound, there is melody there but its all garbled up in an artlessly artful way. Why even thou it sounds good and I like it but I dont keep playing it over and over is because the lyrics are too thin. They're not Iggy -- so dumb they're smart. Andf they're certianly not VU or Replacemnts -- such perfect mirrors they're dumb to the dumb and smart to the smart. What they are is just too made to order. They are just alienated enough, just vague enough, just detached enough, just wierd enough. I mean whats really going on with this guy? What -is- the story? If you fed all other post-punk lyrics into a computer then program it to have a go--this is the sort of stuff it might produce. Perfect--but wheres the person? Where's the idiocyncratic, induvidual style of perceiving and telling? The guy dosnt really put himself out there. Which is maybe his style but its not a style that woos or wows. It dosnt pull you in. I love ambivalence, but ambivalence with more depth and substance to it, more inarticulatable passions seething and freezing both being and void in the shape of one very particular fucked-up human psyche... Alright;-)--so thats just my own repressed Romanticism coming out, but really. Do you think this music is still going to charm you so much in 3 months? Will it stick in you memory as really meaningful and neccisary? Or will it be easily replaced by something else? The Strokes are good. Im happy to listen to them. Maybe I just havent heard the right cuts. Alot of the lyrics are buried and maybe they're really far better than Ive given them credit for. The Stokes may get to be great. But from what Ive heard so far, maybe not quite yet. IMNHO:-) Kay, yup, someone who actually listens to the lyrics. Which may just be me. Meaning has to be shared to be real. Mark Kingwell _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #467 ********************************