From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #462 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, December 14 2001 Volume 10 : Number 462 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: early Internet ["Rob" ] Two Notes, 0% RH ["Mike Wells" ] Attention Wild Man Fischer collectors ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: What are words worth? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: What are words worth? [Michael R Godwin ] Re: What are words worth? [Aaron Mandel ] Re: What are words worth? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: Lothars ["da9ve stovall" ] 'italics' ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] My First RH Post [Tom Clark ] Re: What are words worth? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: early Internet [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Coldfusion [Ken Weingold ] RE: Lothars [Eb ] Re: What are words worth? [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: early Internet [Viv Lyon ] Re: What are words worth? [Ken Weingold ] quote unquote/Pulp [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: What are words worth? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: quote unquote/Pulp [Mike Swedene ] Re: early Internet [JH3 ] Re: quote unquote/Pulp [Jeff Dwarf ] they're psychic... [grutness@surf4nix.com] Life in a southwestern town [steve ] Re: early Internet ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Notting Hill [MSewell@oxfam.org.uk] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:50:13 -0000 From: "Rob" Subject: Re: early Internet I guess a lot of people are doing the same and looking to see what they've posted. One of my earliest efforts was on rec.music.rem recommending fegmaniax back in Oct 1994. I didn't realise I'd been on the list for quite so long. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:39:32 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Two Notes, 0% RH Got my tix for opening night of "LoTR." Opinions on the crass overmerchandising aside, I am so totally stoked for this that I'll likely be a frothing pool of unreasonable expectations by Wednesday night. The best part may be that I'm ditching the wife and kids and going with my Mom, a retired English Lit. prefessor. And no, I'm not dressing up as a Balrog - it's too damn hard to eat popcorn with all that stuff on. Anyway, an article that encapsulates a bunch of reviews from the UK and US can be found at: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/entertainmentstorydisplay.cfm?storyID =233611&thesection=entertainment&thesubsection=film&thesecondsubsection=gener al = For those interested, Grant Lee Phillips posted a note on his website that the new compilition "Storm Hymnal - Gems from the Vault of Grant Lee Buffalo" is available (for now) as a European release only - see www.amazon.co.uk Michael "Lord of the Low-Rise Bikini Mesh Underwear" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:41:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Attention Wild Man Fischer collectors Here's a rare 7" I found on ebay: Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:06:23 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: chrisb@haddock.UUCP's post and thanks for the Lothar stuff chrisb@haddock.UUCP, was your post tongue-in-cheek (I am very gullible) or are you a first-time poster? This is/was/often has been a Robyn Hitchcock/Soft Boys/Eyptians list, so, yes, I believe everyone here is familiar with Robyn in combination with himself and with others. And, I believe, most everyone loves him (in different ways, in different ways). What I really want to know is this: is he really scheduled to be in Boston on July 5th?!?!?!?!?!?!?! YIPPEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!! Unless you were pulling our collective leg, of course. Oh, thanks for all the Lothar and the Hand People stuff. It brought back my youth. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:17:24 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Re: What are words worth? Damn you Stewart! After reading James post I was going to send in one of my all time faves's - --"cleave." And you beat me to it! Awwwwhh(picture of Kay(dressed in fetchinly tight black tights and velvet doublet, looking stylishly Elsinorish) with dagger in chest, falling, gasping, grasping for the bannister as she slowly bumps, grinds, thrashes her way down a long marble stairway, spasiming frequently and having a gurguling but very loud asthmatic attack at the bottom. Nevertheless she still manages to gasp out loudly(while gnashing her teeth at the same time!) - -- Damn you Stewart, damn you" before utterly expiring in a pool of pink ketchup.) - ------ >Those Christmas songs sound just my cup of beer, Ross... any chance >of >artists/albums/availability? Oh yes. Especially the penis one and "Hang Myself from a Tree." I'll cleave to that;-). - --------------------------------------------------------- Kay--whose darling fluffball tried to attack a group of 2 Irish Setters and a Bulldog this morning. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:26:21 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: What are words worth? Redtailed Hawk wrote: > > -- Damn you Stewart, damn you I have that effect on most people. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:36:59 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: What are words worth? > Awwwwhh(picture of Kay(dressed in fetchinly tight black tights and velvet > doublet, looking stylishly Elsinorish) with dagger in chest, falling, > gasping, grasping for the bannister as she slowly bumps, grinds, thrashes > her way down a long marble stairway, spasiming frequently and having a > gurguling but very loud asthmatic attack at the bottom. Nevertheless she > still manages to gasp out loudly(while gnashing her teeth at the same time!) > -- Damn you Stewart, damn you" before utterly expiring in a pool of pink > ketchup.) Nice. Kind of has a Joan Collins - Priscilla Presley feel to it. Maybe throw in Marilyn Manson watching - broodingly - from the upstairs bannister rail. Then a close zoom in to his (?) glossy black lips and the whisper of "Rosebud." Michael "let's shoot that as the first video to Glass Flesh II" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:03:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: What are words worth? > grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > > Accede/cede, unloosen/loosen, and > > invaluable/valuable are three such pairs. Disagree about 'invaluable'. Surely it means 'beyond price', whereas 'valuable' means 'highly priced'. I was interested in the 'inflammable' discussion. I always thought that 'uninflammable' was the opposite, rather than non-inflammable or non-flammable. I agree that it derives from the verb 'to inflame', which I assume is cognate with 'infuriate', 'incite', and 'insure' (and possibly with 'enrage' and 'encourage' too?). So the 'in'/'en' prefix must mean something like 'fills with'. On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > then of course there's the wonderful verb "cleave", which is its own > negative by meaning both "to split" and "to join". Join as in 'cleave unto'? I would have thought that usage was obsolete. Always means 'to split' nowadays, I think. Is 'cleft' the p.p. or do people say 'cleaved'? (If indeed anybody uses it at all). - - Mike Godwin PS Rumours of a BOC tour in the UK next year - whee! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:17:42 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: What are words worth? On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > then of course there's the wonderful verb "cleave", which is its own > negative by meaning both "to split" and "to join". and the second-best in this category: "stem", which can be predicated of the place a fluid flows from, or the thing that stops it from flowing. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:02:46 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: What are words worth? Michael R Godwin wrote: > > Join as in 'cleave unto'? I would have thought that usage was obsolete. nope, we have it as a homonym. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:06:59 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: What are words worth? Aaron Mandel wrote: > > and the second-best in this category: "stem", which can be predicated of > the place a fluid flows from, or the thing that stops it from flowing. we have the latter, but not the former. Hmm. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:21:36 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: What are words worth? On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > and the second-best in this category: "stem", which can be predicated of > > the place a fluid flows from, or the thing that stops it from flowing. > > we have the latter, but not the former. Hmm. well, i kind of said it wrong. a river stems from its source. a problem stems from rising population density. etc. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:13:41 -0800 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: Lothars >Is the band just called The Lothars? When I was a child >(eons ago), my brother had a much-loved record by a band >named Lothar and the Hand People, and I believe that >Lothar was a Theremin. Since you all know much more about >this stuff than I do, could someone tell me if I'm right >and if there is a link? I still dunno if there's a link between the two, but from in between Los Lobos and the Lounge Lizards on my CD shelves, here's the line-up of Lothar and the Hand People: John Arthur Emelin, Richard Lewis, Russel 'Rusty' Ford, Tom Flye, William C Wright, Kim King, Paul Conly. A couple of these guys had moved on by the time they recorded their first album. This compilation I have (_This Is It, Machines_, 1991 See For Miles Records. Ltd.) is *cool*. I'd first heard "Machines" courtesy of one of the psychedelic DJs at my college radio station, who had original vinyl. I finally tracked down this CD comp about three years ago. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:27:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: 'italics' > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Redtailed Hawk wrote: > > > Perrin's "The Reference Handbook of Grammer and Usage", > which is a greatest > > hits version of his venerable "Writer's Guide and Index > to English", says > > > Also--people trying to reproduce text which uses > italics may use apostrophes > > to transcribe the italics. ;-) > > A-ha! This last item explains something a lot of my > students do, which I > asked about & received no answer on some time ago: use > single quotations > marks ('like this') to designate words they wish to > disown in some > fashion: Kenny G. is a 'musician.' I'm thinking they must > have been taught > from this book? Nope. Those are "scare quotes," which mean "others use this term but I wouldn't, necessarily." I can't recall seeing anyone use italics to mean the same as scare quotes. Why they use single quotes is a mystery to me. Drew ===== - -- Andrew D. Simchik, adsimchik@yahoo.com Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:24:25 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: My First RH Post The google archive came up the posting below as my first RH related entry. Another one can be found here: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=tclark+ulowell+Hitchcock&hl=en&rnum=3&selm =13891%40swan.ulowell.edu And, according to them, my first ever is from March of 1988: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=tclark+ulowell.edu&start=20&hl=en&rnum=26& selm=5802%40swan.ulowell.edu Cool stuff - thanks Eb! - -tc - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tclark@hawk.ulowell.edu (T.C. Clark) Newsgroups: rec.music.misc Subject: Robyn Hitchcock Tour Dates Keywords: Seafood (live!) Message-ID: <13322@swan.ulowell.edu> Date: 17 May 89 16:41:00 GMT Sender: news@swan.ulowell.edu Reply-To: tclark@hawk.ulowell.edu (T.C. Clark) Organization: University of Lowell, CS Dept. Lines: 45 Posted: Wed May 17 17:41:00 1989 Well Robyn, Andy and Morris are hitting the road in support of "Queen Elvis" and here's where you and yours can see 'em: Robyn Hitchcock & The Egyptians Summer Tour Dates ------------------------------------------------- Date City Venue -------- ------------- ----------------- 6/8 Athens, GA Legionfield 6/9-10 Atlanta, GA Centerstage 6/11 Raleigh, NC Rialto 6/13 Norfolk, VA The Boathouse 6/14 Washington, DC Lisner Auditorium 6/15 New York, NY The Ritz 6/16 Sag Harbor, NY Bay Street 6/17 Boston, MA Berklee Performance Center * 6/19 New Haven, CT Toads Place * 6/20 Hampton Beach, NH Club Casino * 6/22 Toronto, Canada Diamond Club 6/23 Pittsburgh, PA South Hills Theater * look for me! The following dates have not yet been confirmed ----------------------------------------------- 6/24 Cleveland, OH TBA 6/26 Columbus, OH TBA 6/27 Detroit, MI TBA 6/28 Detroit, MI TBA 6/29 Chicago, IL TBA 6/30 Milwaukee, WI Summerfest 7/1 Minneapolis, MN The Guthrie Thanks to Sandra & Trudi @ Fegmaniax tom----------------------->tclark@hawk.ulowell.edu "but can you hold a fish?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:32:24 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: What are words worth? On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Aaron Mandel wrote: > > > > and the second-best in this category: "stem", which can be predicated of > > the place a fluid flows from, or the thing that stops it from flowing. > > we have the latter, but not the former. Hmm. "If anyone would stem the flow of Jeffrey's posts, they'd be a hero." "Yes - if only we knew where they stemmed from..." And then there's the infamous "oh babe, I've got such a stem." Whoop - wrong list. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ np: Bonzo Dog Band _Cornology_ vol. 3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:40:20 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: early Internet On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Viv Lyon wrote: > Oh man! I did a search for my name, and what do you know? I don't even > remember posting all that stuff. Like a time machine, that was. And it was > amazing to discover that, four years before I joined Fegmaniax, Jeme, > Natalie, and I were on rec.arts.tv.mst3k together! Hot damn! Ach, it's a > small world. A small and funny old world. Oh lord, oh crikey, you rotter - don't punish me! I remember attempting to be on RATM and its successors around '94 or so: my main memory is of roughly 14,000 posts a day, usually imbricating into about 14 layers of quotations so that every line began like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite visually pleasing - but who the hell had time to read it? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Solipsism is its own reward:: __Crow T. Robot__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:05:58 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Coldfusion Terribly sorry to post this here, but I know there are a lot of people here who would probably know this. If there is anyone here who knows Coldfusion well, please email me. I am having a weird problem getting something working on a server we are working on. Thanks. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:08:06 -0800 From: Eb Subject: RE: Lothars >I still dunno if there's a link between the two, but from in >between Los Lobos and the Lounge Lizards on my CD shelves, here's >the line-up of Lothar and the Hand People: Uh oh....there are some Loud Family fanatics on this list who may be *very* offended at the gaps in your collection. ;) Prior to a less-than-thrilling James Hall set at the Silverlake Lounge, I dropped by Hollywood's brand-new superrecordstore last night: Amoeba Records. Wow, quite a place. I bought six used CDs (one was a gift), and I easily could've bought 15 if I had felt like a major splurge. I think that's the first time I've ever seen a used section with so many CDs that "Renaldo & the Loaf" earned their own section! Two significant minuses, however: 1. The used-CD prices are $2 or $3 more than other used stores, across the board. Some used CDs were as high as *$11.99*. 2. They package the CDs in those bulky theft-prevention holders, which means you can't check the discs for scratches without having a clerk open them for you. Eb, now taking a half-hour to skim alt.vain-contemptuous-shrew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:17:16 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: What are words worth? >grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: >> >> Accede/cede, unloosen/loosen, and >> invaluable/valuable are three such pairs. > >then of course there's the wonderful verb "cleave", which is its own >negative by meaning both "to split" and "to join". as is 'impregnable', which means 'able to be impregnated' and 'impossible to break through'. Is there a name for words like that? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:28:22 -0800 (PST) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: early Internet On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Oh lord, oh crikey, you rotter - don't punish me! I remember attempting to > be on RATM and its successors around '94 or so: And guess who else was there? Andrew Simchick, consider yourself outed. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:29:43 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: What are words worth? On Fri, Dec 14, 2001, grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > >grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > >> > >> Accede/cede, unloosen/loosen, and > >> invaluable/valuable are three such pairs. > > > >then of course there's the wonderful verb "cleave", which is its own > >negative by meaning both "to split" and "to join". > > as is 'impregnable', which means 'able to be impregnated' and 'impossible > to break through'. > > Is there a name for words like that? 'English'. ;-) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:32:55 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: quote unquote/Pulp >A-ha! This last item explains something a lot of my students do, which I >asked about & received no answer on some time ago: use single quotations >marks ('like this') to designate words they wish to disown in some >fashion: Kenny G. is a 'musician.' I'm thinking they must have been taught >from this book? Isn't this standard (although usually with double quote maks), to indicate that while the writer does not agree with the description, it is used by some people, and has therefore been quoted from some consensus viewpoint? Seems I was wrong about the origin of inflammable - apologies. >> On a musical note, what do people think of the new Pulp? > >based on the first two-three listens, i'd probably rank it below This >is Hardcore, but above Different Class. it's more organic sounding than >either. with finals, etc, I've haven't listened to it as much as i >would have. i suspect it'll end up being with my top 8 or so. hm. so where does that put it for people like me who think that Different Class is far better than Hardcore? James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:03:27 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: What are words worth? On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > as is 'impregnable', which means 'able to be impregnated' and 'impossible > to break through'. > > Is there a name for words like that? Orville. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Let's quit talking about it and start watching it on TV:: __Susan Lowry__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:24:44 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: quote unquote/Pulp I too found Different Class by PULP better than TIHC, perhaps because I had more time to grow with it. Their last few albums have been really smashing, IMHO. That's all for now... Herbie np-> "mexican God" Robyn - --- grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > >A-ha! This last item explains something a lot of my > students do, which I > >asked about & received no answer on some time ago: > use single quotations > >marks ('like this') to designate words they wish to > disown in some > >fashion: Kenny G. is a 'musician.' I'm thinking > they must have been taught > >from this book? > > Isn't this standard (although usually with double > quote maks), to indicate > that while the writer does not agree with the > description, it is used by > some people, and has therefore been quoted from some > consensus viewpoint? > > Seems I was wrong about the origin of inflammable - > apologies. > > >> On a musical note, what do people think of the > new Pulp? > > > >based on the first two-three listens, i'd probably > rank it below This > >is Hardcore, but above Different Class. it's more > organic sounding than > >either. with finals, etc, I've haven't listened to > it as much as i > >would have. i suspect it'll end up being with my > top 8 or so. > > hm. so where does that put it for people like me who > think that Different > Class is far better than Hardcore? > > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. > =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= > > .-=-.-=-.-=-.- > > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. > -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if > from a distance > =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from > another time > -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By > this River") ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:43:56 -0600 From: JH3 Subject: Re: early Internet Stewart R. writes: > Ah, that's when reading Usenet was in a cold engineering lab, > using an Atari 1040ST with a VT52 terminal emulator desk > accessory to talk to the vax over a Gandalf serial line... > All this means, of course, is that I'm going to get asked about GFA > Basic and AmigaTeX that I reviewed for comp.sys.amiga.reviews > back in 1991... argh. Hah! I've got you beat by two years, dude. I wrote my first attempt at a computerized record-collection database with GFA Basic running on a 1040ST (not an Amiga, natch) way back in 1989. I think I can still run it, even, though I haven't turned that machine on in at least three years! BTW: Our server is back online, so get yer Robynbase info at http://www.jh3.com/robyn/base now, before the next big crasheroo. John "old-tech" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 23:02:34 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: quote unquote/Pulp grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: >>> On a musical note, what do people think of the new Pulp? >> >> based on the first two-three listens, i'd probably rank it below >> This is Hardcore, but above Different Class. it's more organic >> sounding than either. with finals, etc, I've haven't listened to it >> as much as i would have. i suspect it'll end up being with my top 8 >> or so. > > hm. so where does that put it for people like me who think that > Different Class is far better than Hardcore? well, you're just fucked. :) seriously, We Love Life feels like more of a whole, like This is Hardcore, whereas Different Class ultimate to me felt like a bunch of songs, that sort of petered out towards the end. it's not that i don't think DC is very good; it is, but i just don't feel the need to listen to it as often as TIH, and i suspect that WLL will end up somewhere in between. ===== "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:17:09 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: they're psychic... today's word from the A.Word.A.Day people: >contronym (KAHN-troh-NIM) noun > > A word that generates two opposite meanings. exaples given were cleave and oversight. So now we know... James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:50:23 -0600 From: steve Subject: Life in a southwestern town So, on Wednesday the Olympic Torch passed by about 50 feet from my desk at work. Doesn't happen every day, but I'm still wondering why some people three blocks down decided the event called for putting a big stuffed bear out on the sidewalk. - - Steve __________ "We're not attacking Islam, but Islam has attacked us. The God of Islam is not the same God," the Rev. Franklin Graham, who spoke at President Bush's inauguration, said recently. "He's not the son of God of the Christian or Judeo-Christian faith. It's a different God, and I believe it is a very evil and wicked religion." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:36:03 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: early Internet JH3 wrote: > > Hah! I've got you beat by two years, dude. actually, the c.s.a.amiga reviews were written from home. I started using the cold Atari engineering lab in 1987, learning FastBASIC on the STs. So, it is I that has "got you beat by two years, dude". Nyah. Triviafact: The Atari ST port of the arcade game R-Type was written in that cold engineering lab... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:29:03 +0000 From: MSewell@oxfam.org.uk Subject: Notting Hill The gig was as good as expected the other night - NH Arts Centre a very nice little venue, although with the bar area perhaps a little too divorced from the gig area. Beer was frighteningly expensive, but suitably exotic - beer from the four corners of the world at #3 a throw (in fact a 330ml bottle). Chrissy & I got down early so as to avoid disappointment - 7.30 to be exact. Already there was Jim Davies and Jonathan Turner - sadly no Tony Blackman due to German germs... At about 8.30 we all went and stood by the stage and waited patiently for the support band, Up Arrow Hill (or something like that) who, we'd been reliably tipped off, would have Robyn as a guest. The band arrived, looking like miniature versions of Echo & the Bunnymen or someone. They were scousers (at least they had scouse accents, real or not) and played pretty well, although without a great deal to hold the interest - very much style over content I felt, looking rocknroll with their hats and badges and attitudes, but lacking anything that would mark them out as particularly different. That said, it's always good to see wide-eyed rocknroll attitude and a handful of guitars. Their set was extremely short, with the high point being the last song, which, as promised featured Robyn as guest lead vocalist. The song was one of his songs, too, although he claimed that he had only written it because he was old enough to be able to, challenging the singer to have written it without being old enough... The band launched into a very entertaining (and a more rocking) version of This Could Be The Day. There was an awfully long wait for the Soft Boys. Although they came onstage straight away to plug in their guitars, tune them up while Morris attached his cymbals, hi-hat and snare to the previous drummer's kit (note to drummers: Morris has his hi-hat slack, with a mini tamborine clamped to the main stem, using stick position to govern the sound). As soon as they were set up they buggered off... Until, half-an-hour or even 45 minutes later, Matthew turned up, looking rushed and (probably due to new offspring) incredibly tired (though still about 16 years old). The band began with QOE, unsurprisingly, although quite a fresh sounding version, quickly followed by a slow version of Mind Is Connected (actually, was it slow? We were stood so close to the band (there was no stage - the monitors deliniated the "stage" area), that it perhaps warped our perceptions. Certainly being so close (3 feet?) from the band made it a different experience) and Kingdom of Love. For me, the new songs stood out as being among the best - Om followed (I think this was the one played at Evershot with White Light in the lyrics), dedicated to George H and Sterling Morrison. Japanese Captain was next, as far as I could make out about a captain who sails around unloved (chorus/refrain "touch me baby/fuck me please") buying and selling lamps... it's got a very funny spoken bit in the middle. I started to lose track of the songs, but I think UM was next - a very assured version as you'd expect with a frenzied middle bit with the usual impro spoken bit, although today interspersed with Robyn playing that volume down, hit strings, volume up and back down (this technique can be heard quite a bit on Moss Elixir). My favourite of the "new" new material followed around about this time, according to Robyn the first SBs song in C for over 20 years (again I didn't take notes, so the order may not be at all correct) - not sure of the name, with the chorus of "looking for the Sheretay (god knows what this is referring to, or how it's spelt - a quick search of the web found nothing) a shay won't do". A slow, almost hypnotic though not droning song with beautiful, wistful lyrics "I wish I could be 23 so I could waste time". A great Old Pervert and then on (I think) to an untitled song written to a brief - Robyn did a long introduction about how the Daisycutter had been invented to enrich our lives and was a necessary invention (heavy on the irony) and about how he had attempted to write a song in Gsharp that was under 3 minutes long. Obviously, he had succeeded with a fantastic, dissonant song that I reckon was closer to older material than the UM stuff. I've said it before, I know, but bloody hell I can't wait for the album - I can't emphasise how great the new songs are enough. The set finished with Insanely Jealous - as good a version as any I've heard (at this point I must say that standing right in front of Kimberley is a recommended place to stand - he plays effortlessly, with such feeling and energy you can feel it coming off him). Encores were I Wanna Destroy You, blistering as it should be, followed by (the still half-written sounding) Strings. An odd choice to finish on... I think it's about music and reforming and the peculiar stardom Hitchcock enjoys (lyrics include the line " I wish I was just paranoid"), but I must say it was my least favourite of the set. On the bus on the way home to Oxford, Chrissy, Jim and I were discussing, amongst other things, whether it's actually quite sad to follow one particular band/artist to virtually all their gigs... well, perhaps it is, but you really can't argue with the Soft Boys... I have to Give It To them! Cheers Matt PS apologies if this is badly written - hastily scribbled from work... Oxfam works with others to find lasting solutions to poverty and suffering. Oxfam GB is a member of Oxfam International, a company limited by guarantee and registered in England No. 612172. Registered office: 274 Banbury Road, Oxford OX2 7DZ. Registered charity No. 202918. Visit the web site at http://www.oxfam.org.uk ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #462 ********************************