From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #459 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, December 11 2001 Volume 10 : Number 459 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: new instruments ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] ["Stewart C. Russell" ] apostrophes and commas [Jill Brand ] Re: new instruments [steve ] Thrice-great Madonna of the Macho Puffball ["Redtailed Hawk" ] first of all... ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: Thrice-great Madonna of the Macho Puffball [Michael R Godwin ] Madonna's new accent explained [Mark Gloster ] Re: Thrice-great Madonna of the Macho Puffball [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey] Re: apostrophes and commas [Aaron Mandel ] Re: apostrophes and commas [Ken Weingold ] RE: apostrophes and commas ["Matt Browne" ] Re: apostrophes and commas [Ken Weingold ] Re: apostrophes and commas [Jill Brand ] Re: apostrophes and commas [Ken Weingold ] Party this weekend [bayard ] RE: apostrophes and commas [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] RE: apostrophes and commas [dmw ] Re: Thrice-great Madonna of the Macho Puffball ["Fric Chaud" ] if i can't dance it's not my revolution [Ken Ostrander ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:44:57 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: new instruments maybe it's just as well that everyone's forgotten the Mattel Optigan: http://www.optigan.com/ -- a cheapo toy optical Mellotron. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:46:48 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > yes, it IS basically soccer on ice with sticks. I thought that's what what you call footbal was -- except they have to keep stopping the fight for inexplicable reasons. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:54:07 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] Fric Chaud wrote: > > If you visit Canada's neighbour, Quebec As we weren't challenged when we crossed into Hull, it looked pretty much like the same country to me. > you might benefit instead from the soothing effect of poutine. we have chips, cheese and gravy in Glasgow too, y'know. It isn't anything special. > Snotley? Although that's part of his e-mail address, don't call Edmonton's finest tall cartoonist that. Stewart - -- Stewart C. Russell Senior Analyst Programmer stewart@ref.collins.co.uk Collins Dictionaries use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Bishopbriggs, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:59:29 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Here a min, theremin, everywhere a min, Min (Heeenryyyy!) Glen Uber wrote: > > Radiohead used one during their Saturday Night Live appearance about a year > ago. They all played curious digital touchscreen "theremins" on stage in the Kid A tour. E from Eels used to play a pitch-pole theremin with the neck of his guitar. Spiritualized make good noises with 'em too. Stewart (who has the plans and circuit board for a theremin, but hasn't built it yet.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:01:30 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Here a min, theremin, everywhere a min, Min (Heeenryyyy!) The Great Quail wrote: > > Ah, but the Ondes Martenot, now.... and only a few months after the tragic death of its geratest player, Jeanne Loriod, too... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:05:05 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: hey, what the fuck did Madonna say? lj lindhurst wrote: > > So my friend Madonna was handing out the Turner Prize in London to my friend Martin seriously, I know his parents. They're lovely people, and live just up the road in Lenzie. > Is that some kind of British Underworld slang? as far as she knows. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:12:33 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: triv displays of learning Michael R Godwin wrote: > > Stewart, you're turning into the Plain People of Ireland. Are you sure > you're headed for the right country? But you can get a new No1 Electronics theremin for fifty quid! While I may occasionally display PPoI tendencies, I can't understand this premium nostalgia for an extremely nasty little oscillator circuit in a plastic box. And don't get me started on lomography... > Well, my WordWeb thesaurus defines pedantic as "Marked by a narrow focus > on or display of learning especially its trivial aspects". well, it ain't me, then. I have a wide spectrum of narrow focusses. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:07:16 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: azure, a cross argent surrounded by four fleurs de lys of the second >PS: I was certain I saw on this list apostrophes used for plural >when after a vowel, and also with the possessive form of "it". >Could it be a dialect? just people using apost'phes wrongl'y. We do it all the time here to confuse Les Quebecois, and to stray the odd spying Welsh people out of the woodwork. >CD's, PDA's, etc... Ain't nothing right about that, is there? B'aint be nowt right about that at all. Same with terms like "The 1960's". >> alas. no. My canadian literature experience starts with M.Atwood, and >> ends with S.Notley > >Snotley? Adverb. Refers to speaking with a blocked nose. >My personal tendency is to just lowercase the s (and verb the word >lowercase) and hope people understand. verbing weirds language, as the comic strip pinned next to my computer says. >No, it's just wrong... unless, as Godders has pointed out, there are any >habitual greengrocers on the list. One of the worst spelling and punctuation crimes I've ever seen was a cafe that sold chocolate cakes it described as "gatuea'x" (I presume it's pronounces Gat-Wax) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:14:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > > yes, [ice hockey] IS basically soccer on ice with sticks. > > I thought that's what what you call footbal was -- except they have > to keep stopping the fight for inexplicable reasons. > > Stewart no ice (green bay excepted) nor sticks in football though. ===== "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:17:20 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Create your own minimalist Turner prizewinner! With the amazing Creedalizer:http://www.informationwantstobefree.com/creedalizer/ Cheers Matt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:27:01 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Create your own minimalist Turner prizewinner! matt sewell wrote: > > With the amazing Creedalizer:http://www.informationwantstobefree.com/creedalizer/ his dad makes nice spoons; see here, http://www.scottish-gallery.co.uk/jan01.html and scoot down to where it says "John Creed - Silver and Steel". Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:37:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: triv displays of learning On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Eb wrote: > >PS Did you see TOTP2 last week? Apparently Gordon Haskell, who has a hit > >with a slow jazz-blues thing which sounds like 'How long has this being > >going on?' (but isn't) is an ex-member of Fleur de Lys, of Nuggets II > >fame! > > And that's also the same guy who sang "Cadence & Cascade" with early > King Crimson, right? Yes - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:48:03 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: apostrophes and commas I had to (with a gun to my head) administer the Test of English as a Foreign Language (otherwise known as the TOEFL) last Friday, and while peering over the students' shoulders, I found two apostrophe mistakes and an absent set of commas. There were apostrophes in such phrases as "in the 1930's" (ouch) AND there was no comma after a non-restrictive relative clause (something to the effect of "In 1915 [,] when WWI was in full swing....[,] the American public.....)." Yes, people make mistakes, but, uh, should they be making them when they are writing a test to see if other people will make the same mistake, and if those people do, they will be marked wrong?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Jill, back to grading final's ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:56:21 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: new instruments On Tuesday, December 11, 2001, at 03:44 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > maybe it's just as well that everyone's forgotten the Mattel Optigan: > http://www.optigan.com/ -- a cheapo toy optical Mellotron. Except for Jon Brion. - - Steve __________ As for "encouraging people of good will to remain silent in the face of evil," there's only one prominent person trying to intimidate legitimate critics into shutting up about actions they feel to be both wrong and deeply un-American at present. He is, unfortunately, the attorney general of the United States. - Jacob Weisberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:12:31 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Thrice-great Madonna of the Macho Puffball I was taught you -do- use an apostrophe with plural possesives; you just place it outside the s. As in the birds' nests, meaning the nests of many birds. Is that my dyslexia kicking in? Or just the fact that Commonwealthers(is there a short form for this?) and Yanks do things differently? - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jason on >>> >I always call it a "'greater than' symbol," but that's probably not >the >official term. Thrice-great? - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Max on Madonna: >The REALLY frightening part is that she had it somewhere around 3 >years >prior to moving to England and meeting Guy Ritchie. Perhaps she was basing it on Joan Collins sonerous trans-puddle muddle? ;-) - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Well--who would have thought that a 15 pound white puffball would be Mr Macho Dog, a sturdy, slightly larger than breed Bichon stong enough to pull you off your feet and dominant enough to make dogs 3 times his size cower. Its almost comic but I see why this is a rescue animal. His former mistress let him rule. He is also adorable and adoring, affectonate, good-natured and smart. Except for when he tries to attack stangers on the street. Or expects to be fed at the table. Or thinks the command sit is optional and the command heel is meaningless. We have our work cut out for us;-) Kay Meaning has to be shared to be real. Mark Kingwell _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:29:42 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: apostrophes and commas - --On Tuesday, December 11, 2001 08:48:03 -0500 Jill Brand wrote: > I had to (with a gun to my head) administer the Test of English as a > Foreign Language (otherwise known as the TOEFL) last Friday, and while > peering over the students' shoulders, I found two apostrophe mistakes and > an absent set of commas. There were apostrophes in such phrases as "in > the 1930's" (ouch) AND there was no comma after a non-restrictive relative > clause (something to the effect of "In 1915 [,] when WWI was in full > swing....[,] the American public.....)." Yes, people make mistakes, but, > uh, should they be making them when they are writing a test to see if > other people will make the same mistake, and if those people do, they will > be marked wrong?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! But you *do* realise that these people weren't native speakers (as the test's name implies)? I don't get why you were so surprised by these mistakes. Oh, now I get it! The mistakes were on the form ... well. I took that test once, BTW. Didn't do me any good, though. I was applying for a DAAD scholarship, but my area of research (computer linguistics) didn't appeal to the committee. The test itself was fun, anyway. Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Winter is coming. [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:37:42 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: new instruments On Tuesday, December 11, 2001, at 06:56 AM, steve wrote: > On Tuesday, December 11, 2001, at 03:44 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > >> maybe it's just as well that everyone's forgotten the Mattel Optigan: >> http://www.optigan.com/ -- a cheapo toy optical Mellotron. > > > Except for Jon Brion. And Matthew Sweet. And Ween. Cheers! - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:38:31 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: first of all... ...I would like to pedantically point out that Madonna is not from Detroit, she is from Bay City, which is in the "thumb" part of Michigan. They don't have English accents there either, though. (Madonna went to the University of Michigan, and helped fund her education by posing nude for my mother's life drawing group. My mom, who has a penchant for discarding things that could be worth a lot of money, has long since lost her pictures of Madonna. She also threw away all my old Star Wars figures.) I have seen theremins played live by the Black Heart Procession, Bablicon, and a crappy Ann Arbor band called Action Tiger. The guy from Bablicon built his from a kit, and the guy from Action Tiger rather impressively built his own from scratch. Also, when I visited the Exploratorium in San Francisco, I got to *play* a theremin - it was one of the exhibits, an original one, I think. It was really cool, and just as difficult to play as you might think. (There's a joke I saw on some website: "How do you get two thereminists to play the same pitch? Shoot one of them.") The Rock*A*Teens are just as Jeffrey described. I was kinda disappointed at first, because they were playing more poppy songs early in the set and I was expecting them to RAWK (as I would expect from any band with "rock" in their name), but they picked up speed as the set went on, and I was soon a convert. Their drummer is especially great - he hit the drums so hard I thought they might break. I bought their latest EP but it doesn't seem to capture that live sound... but I guess that's to be expected. gnat "surprisingly not hung over or traumatized after the office Christmas party" the gnatster _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:45:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Thrice-great Madonna of the Macho Puffball On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Redtailed Hawk wrote: > I was taught you -do- use an apostrophe with plural possesives; you just > place it outside the s. As in the birds' nests, meaning the nests of many > birds. Is that my dyslexia kicking in? Or just the fact that > Commonwealthers(is there a short form for this?) and Yanks do things > differently? Is correct. Where it gets controversial is in the case where the name of the possessor ends in 's'. We have a square in town which belongs to St James, and on different corners of _the same square_ it is called St James's Square and St James' Square. In Bristol they gave up on this altogether and IIRC the name of the square belonging to the Queen is Queen Square (no apostrophe, no s). Any votes as to which is preferred? - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:53:14 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Thrice-great Madonna of the Macho Puffball Michael R Godwin wrote: > > Any votes as to which is preferred? we were taught an outrageously elitist system; that if the name was classically derived, it got the s-apostrophe. Thus: * Marcus' hat but * James's monocle. We were sure it was just a ploy to keep the English & Classics dept going. That and to make us feel small, which is an integral part of a Scottish public school education. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:05:36 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: new instruments At 08:56 AM 12/11/2001 -0600, you wrote: >On Tuesday, December 11, 2001, at 03:44 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > >>maybe it's just as well that everyone's forgotten the Mattel Optigan: >>http://www.optigan.com/ -- a cheapo toy optical Mellotron. > > >Except for Jon Brion. And the San Diego band Optiganally Yours. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:28:44 -0800 From: Mark Gloster Subject: Madonna's new accent explained It is my fervent belief that one or more of the following is the correct explanation of Madonna's affected speech: She thinks it makes her sound smart She is trying out as Mama Ho Spice She thinks she's Edith Head Her time in Florida has given her Terry Marks Syndrome (TMS) I hope this helps, - -Sharkboy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:51:16 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Thrice-great Madonna of the Macho Puffball On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Michael R Godwin wrote: > Is correct. Where it gets controversial is in the case where the name of > the possessor ends in 's'. We have a square in town which belongs to St > James, and on different corners of _the same square_ it is called St > James's Square and St James' Square. In Bristol they gave up on this > altogether and IIRC the name of the square belonging to the Queen is Queen > Square (no apostrophe, no s). > > Any votes as to which is preferred? You folks are determined to bring this pedant out of his carefully arranged, alphabetically stocked closet, aren't you. Anycow, though I don't believe any official source backs me on this, with names that end in "s," I tend to add apostrophe-s if the pronunciation adds a syllable and just an apostrophe if it does not (i.e., "Socrates'" - unless anyone wants to pronounce that "sock-ruh-teez-iz"). As to the TOEFL test and the missing commas: you do realize that a number of sources would allow the omission of the comma after the first, shorter introductory phrase ("In 1915")? But not after the second one. Ah, what the hell: new instruments. I think something should count as a new instrument only if it can be used in multiple musical contexts and not just by its inventor. Yes, anything can be used to make sound in a musical context - I could sample my computer keyboard, couldn't I, but that doesn't make it a new musical instrument per se. The other question has to do with variations on existing instruments and whether they count as new instruments (electric bass vs. bajo sexto, the big Mexican guitar thingy, for instance). Dunno - but if you were intrigued by the pedal steel guitar enough to do a bit of research online (as I did), you discover that it has usually ten strings, is tuned completely differently from any existing guitar, and is played with a combination of the obvious (steel slide, fingers) and not as (knees operating levers and feet operating pedals to alter the strings' pitches). For me, that's enough significant differences to count it as a completely new instrument - it's not a type of guitar, it's its own beast (conveniently illustrating the "its/it's" distinction there for rogue Quebecoises). - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:30:53 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: apostrophes and commas On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Jill Brand wrote: > There were apostrophes in such phrases as "in the 1930's" (ouch) I agree with (seemingly) everyone that this is ugly, but I was taught it was correct. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:49:00 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: apostrophes and commas On Tue, Dec 11, 2001, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Jill Brand wrote: > > > There were apostrophes in such phrases as "in the 1930's" (ouch) > > I agree with (seemingly) everyone that this is ugly, but I was taught it > was correct. Fine line I suppose. Numbers do use an apostrophe, but years do not. I have two 20's on me. The '70s were ugly. :) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:48:00 -0000 From: "Matt Browne" Subject: RE: apostrophes and commas Out of interest, does anyone know of a resource (preferably on the Internet, I suppose) that provides a 'definitive' reference for this sort of thing? - -- Matt Browne > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Mandel > Sent: 11 December 2001 20:31 > To: Jill Brand > Cc: fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: Re: apostrophes and commas > > > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Jill Brand wrote: > > > There were apostrophes in such phrases as "in the 1930's" (ouch) > > I agree with (seemingly) everyone that this is ugly, but I > was taught it was correct. > > a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:23:56 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: apostrophes and commas On Tue, Dec 11, 2001, Matt Browne wrote: > Out of interest, does anyone know of a resource (preferably on the > Internet, I suppose) that provides a 'definitive' reference for this > sort of thing? Not sure, but I figure anything from a .edu would be good. :) http://newark.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Writing/a.html - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:01:25 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: Re: apostrophes and commas By who'm? Jill On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Jill Brand wrote: > > > There were apostrophes in such phrases as "in the 1930's" (ouch) > > I agree with (seemingly) everyone that this is ugly, but I was taught it > was correct. > > a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:13:28 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: apostrophes and commas On Tue, Dec 11, 2001, Jill Brand wrote: > By who'm? Stop, or your going to confuse people. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:30:05 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: Party this weekend hey all, don't forget to RSVP! Esp. if you're coming from out of town! YOU are invited! http://glasshotel.net/party.htm Ross the second, how about you? (you know why i call you that don't you?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:27:53 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: apostrophes and commas On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Matt Browne wrote: > Out of interest, does anyone know of a resource (preferably on the > Internet, I suppose) that provides a 'definitive' reference for this > sort of thing? Any bookstore (you know, those places that sell those objects consisting of several pieces of paper, covered with printed words and bound together) will sell various usage guides - such as the MLA, APA, or Chicago style manuals. (Don't know about what the Brits use, though.) Online? I'm too lazy to do a search right now - I'm sure someone will. MLA, btw, sez "no" on apostrophes in things like "the '70s." (And saying that you have $40 in two $20 bills would be better handled by writing "I have two twenties" - but then, rules about writing out numbers are in the very same usage guides - mirabile dictu!) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, who actually teaches writing for a living: pity my students J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Never drive a car when you're dead:: __Tom Waits__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:44:08 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: RE: apostrophes and commas On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Matt Browne wrote: > Out of interest, does anyone know of a resource (preferably on the > Internet, I suppose) that provides a 'definitive' reference for this > sort of thing? dunno about definitive, but this might be more entertaining than most. http://www.asstr.org/~FatherIgnatius/Grammar.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:43:03 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: Thrice-great Madonna of the Macho Puffball On 11 Dec 2001, at 13:51, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Ah, what the hell: new instruments. I think something should count as > a new instrument only if it can be used in multiple musical contexts > and not just by its inventor. Yes, anything can be used to make sound > in a musical context - I could sample my computer keyboard, couldn't > I, but that doesn't make it a new musical instrument per se. I read that the musical pan was invented around 1940 in Trinidad. Quebec's musical use of the spoons predates that by a long time. Can one say either was really "invented"? Didn't somebody simply start hitting them one day? - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:32:03 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Party this weekend On Tue, Dec 11, 2001, bayard wrote: > hey all, don't forget to RSVP! Esp. if you're coming from out of town! > > YOU are invited! > > http://glasshotel.net/party.htm Can the NYC people come? Which subway station do get get off at? - -Ken ps: Jill, the preposition at the end was for you ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:46:33 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: if i can't dance it's not my revolution still recovering from a long weekend of music and sexual politics. friday night i was sick & tired and left work early to go home and clean up the house for a green party fundraiser with local (from lawrence) band the reagan babies. (http://www.reaganbabies.com/crib.html) their album 'growing up the american way' is excellent; but not on any major label. they did leave a few copies of it at my place as they were clearing out their equipment around four in the am. at that point there were still people jamming in my bedroom! my bedroom doorknob is in the last stages of entropy and they pulled it completely out of the door, trapping themselves inside and me outside to peer inside the hole. i ended up climbing up on my fire escape to knock on the window; though they didn't hear me until they finished their song. pretty silly; but fun. around seven in the morning my upstairs neighbors blasted some mighty mighty bosstones in revenge for the loud party and it actually lulled me to sleep as my bed vibrated. >"At a time when political correctness is valued over honesty, I would also >like to say: Right on, mother- - - - - -, everyone is a winner!" >(Post Wire Services) > >I'm not completely sure, but I think she said "mother may I." i think that was guy. i really do admire madonna for her independence and bowie-like genre-blending; but the new accent is a bit much. i don't know. when i was a kid, my cousins from tennessee would come visit and all of us would start talking like them. at least until they left; but we were kids. sometimes celebrity seems like a newfound childhood. didn't she pick it up around the time she was working with william orbit? >Commonwealthers(is there a short form for this?) i believe it's "massholes" >Has anyone made mention of the Stick? This is used by Tony Levin of Crimso >and Gabriel(and Lennon and...). teddy roosevelt? i saw crimson play saturday night with john paul jones opening. no tony; but trey gunn was pretty fuckin' good. lots of rockin' instrumentals all around. after the levee broke, the amazin' waves of sound that kc was putting out almost lulled me to sleep; but that was because i hadn't really gotten any the night before. there's a lot of love geometry going on in my life right now. making love instead of war is exhausting and exhilerating. it's not the sixties, it's the naughties...gotta watch out for those misplaced modifiers. hey, our community radio station (http://www.abfreeradio.org) has finally upped its wattage from one-tenth (!) of a watt to almost ten watts and it created a huge amount of feedback from the board on the turntables and the phone in the studio this weekend. does anyone have any knowledge of this stuff? progression and regression comingled as usual. last night at a protest (http://www.massvoters.org/Carols.html) against the speaker (the evil tom finneran) of our state house of representatives, i tried to get inside the fundraiser going on in the hotel. i had a pie crust and some whipped cream and intended to pie him as a publicity stunt to draw attention to his efforts to kill a clean elections law voted in by public referendum. i wrote a check (stopped payment today) to get inside but they asked me to leave my bags at the table. just as well; otherwise, i might have been arrested for assault and forced to test this theory: http://www.prisonbitchname.com/index.htm ken "shirt lifter" the kenster np discovery daft punk ps there is a new report documenting that there has been over 3700 civilian casualties in afghanistan, possibly exceeding the number in the world trade center. this report can be found at www.democracynow.org. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #459 ********************************