From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #457 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, December 10 2001 Volume 10 : Number 457 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Theremin [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Theremin ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: CD MP3 player question [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: On first looking into Chapman' stick [Michael R Godwin ] Re: On first looking into Chapman' stick ["Fric Chaud" ] Re: Theremin [Eb ] Re: Theremin ["FS Thomas" ] Re: Theremin [Capuchin ] eMpTyVee VCR ALERT [Mike Swedene ] VCD Question [Mike Swedene ] Re: instruments ["matt sewell" ] Re: On first looking into Chapman' stick ["matt sewell" ] DR-5 [gSs ] re: northants ["Brian Hoare" ] Re: MP3 question ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: trying again... ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: instruments (near-RH content), apostrophes ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: triv displays of learning [Michael R Godwin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:49:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Theremin On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, gSs wrote: > I was thinking of the 500 RCA Theremins of which about half are still > around. Last time I read about them was during school in a performance > arts class of some kind. The new ones look pretty cool, I've just hardly > seen anyone playing the thing and never in person. The only theremin player I've seen is Roger Ruskin Spear (of Giant Kinetic Wardrobe and Bonzo Dog fame). He used to have a theremin installed in the leg of a showroom dummy, and used it notably on 'Music for the Leg'. Thanks for all suggestions, especially Ed for http://www.algonet.se/~repple/esharp/Instr.html Does anyone have a definite date for the vibraphone? Come to think of it, no-one has mentioned the pedal steel 'guitar', which is so much more sophisticated than the Hawaiian guitar that I would count it as a separate instrument. On the other hand, people have been adding and taking away bass strings from the 6-string guitar for years, so I'm not convinced that bunging on an extra bass string or two counts. When was the 12-string guitar developed? At least that has a different sound. And the 5-string banjo? Although it looks similar to a 4-string, the picking technique with the open G(?) gives a much slicker sound. What was the instrument that Fairground Attraction used to play? A mandola? Is that the mariachi instrument that was being discussed? If so, I would have thought it was tuned an octave above the double bass. And what was that Ondes Martinot (?) thing? Another theremin derivative? When was the incredible glass harmonica invented? 19thC, I suppose. I'd love to see someone play one of those. - - Mike Godwin PS I expect that you guessed the 100 years yardstick was dreamt up so that the Futurist noises would qualify. n.p. Paul Kantner 'Your mind has left your body' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 12:02:11 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Theremin >On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, gSs wrote: > > I was thinking of the 500 RCA Theremins of which about half are still > > around. Last time I read about them was during school in a performance > > arts class of some kind. The new ones look pretty cool, I've just hardly > > seen anyone playing the thing and never in person. > >The only theremin player I've seen is Roger Ruskin Spear (of Giant Kinetic >Wardrobe and Bonzo Dog fame). He used to have a theremin installed in the >leg of a showroom dummy, and used it notably on 'Music for the Leg'. > >Thanks for all suggestions, especially Ed for >http://www.algonet.se/~repple/esharp/Instr.html > >Does anyone have a definite date for the vibraphone? > >Come to think of it, no-one has mentioned the pedal steel 'guitar', which >is so much more sophisticated than the Hawaiian guitar that I would count >it as a separate instrument. > >On the other hand, people have been adding and taking away bass strings >from the 6-string guitar for years, so I'm not convinced that bunging on >an extra bass string or two counts. When was the 12-string guitar >developed? At least that has a different sound. And the 5-string banjo? >Although it looks similar to a 4-string, the picking technique with the >open G(?) gives a much slicker sound. > >What was the instrument that Fairground Attraction used to play? A >mandola? Is that the mariachi instrument that was being discussed? If so, >I would have thought it was tuned an octave above the double bass. > >And what was that Ondes Martinot (?) thing? Another theremin derivative? > >When was the incredible glass harmonica invented? 19thC, I suppose. I'd >love to see someone play one of those. > > >- Mike Godwin Has anyone made mention of the Stick? This is used by Tony Levin of Crimso and Gabriel(and Lennon and...). Max NP- Deskjet 832C _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 11:53:12 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: CD MP3 player question On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Ken Weingold wrote: > The file format should probably be ISO 9660, and should definitely be > sampled at 44.1. All should be able to traverse directories. And leap small buildings in a single bound. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:37:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: On first looking into Chapman' stick > On Fri, Dec 7, 2001, Eb wrote: > > np: Pink Floyd/Fat Old Sun, live on the BBC (now, minus a minute and > > a half of needless intro/outro) On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Ken Weingold wrote: > Live from when, 1970? I should think so. This is the recording where they play 'Echoes' but it is still entitled 'Return of the son of nothing', ja? So it just predates the release of 'Meddle'. All those instruments: Thanks for the clavinet, the pedal steel and the Dobro. I'd say the Dobro was a copy of the National resonator guitar which dates from the late 1920s, I guess. I suppose the clanging of the resonator makes it into a slightly different instrument. And didn't Gus Cannon play a resonator banjo? I've got a 4-string banjo with a round-the-body resonator as opposed to a cone. Dunno how old it is, my Dad picked it up along with a violin and a ukulele all for 15 bob in 1937 or thereabouts. He also used to have a Grimshaw guitar with a resonator, but it was stolen in the 1940s. I seem to remember that the Chapman stick _started_ all this nonsense... - - Mike Godwin Today's hymn: "How you gonna keep 'em down on the farm after they've seen Paree?" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 14:29:07 -0500 From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Theremin Michael R Godwin wrote: > When was the incredible glass harmonica invented? 19thC, I suppose. I'd > love to see someone play one of those. 18th, IIRC. By Ben Franklin, according to legend. It was believed that the vibrations from that instrument would drive the players mad. The fact that a number of them went insane didn't help matters. - -- Terrence Marks http://www.unlikeminerva.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:54:17 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: On first looking into Chapman' stick On 9 Dec 2001, at 18:37, Michael R Godwin wrote: > I seem to remember that the Chapman stick _started_ all this > nonsense... Not "stick", it was Fric. I have been quietly reading this list for a few days trying to understand the way to use apostrophe's in English. - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 11:23:05 -0500 From: "madcowan" Subject: Re: **** Hello from Nardwuar the Human Serviette **** Thank you for forwarding the Ian MacKaye interview--it made good reading over my morning coffee. It reminds me of another time in my life, right before punk rawk morphed into grunge and Fugahhhzeee *RULED* in this part of the world (Balt/Wash). They made a big difference on the lives of a lot of kids I knew though, being much older, my participation was only peripheral. Thanks! Roberta (did it make the digest spit out?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:33:52 -0500 From: Brian Subject: Re: When I was dead I learnt a new instrument At Saturday, 8 December 2001, grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: >James (cranky after being woken by a minor earthquake) > >np - Monochrome Set - Eligible Bachelors. Man, I'd forgotten how much FUN >that is! James, good day! I was just listening to the very album in my car on the way back from Chicago. Fantasic album! Very, very FUN! I'm on a bit of a Monochrome Set kick right now. Some friendly gentleman from Japan is sending me some rare live stuff. Let me know if your interested. New Zealand looks wonderful from the previews of LotR. Earth quake? I hope all is all right. Brian Nupp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:05:23 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Theremin On Sunday, December 9, 2001, at 12:20 AM, gSs wrote: > The new ones look pretty cool, I've just hardly > seen anyone playing the thing and never in person. One of the bands on the Austin stop of the Flaming Lips tour with Robyn had one. At least part of the time, the guitar player would control it with the neck of his guitar. - - Steve __________ While still at the Department of Justice, Rehnquist provided the best definition of a strict constructionist I have ever encountered. It was in a memo Rehnquist wrote while he was vetting Judge Clement Haynsworth, one of Nixon's selections who was rejected by the Senate. Rehnquist wrote, in brief, that a strict constructionist was anyone who likes prosecutors and dislikes criminal defendants and who favors civil rights defendants over civil rights plaintiffs. That is as candid and blunt as you can get. And that is the real definition of a strict constructionist. - John Dean ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 19:15:02 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Theremin >>The new ones look pretty cool, I've just hardly >>seen anyone playing the thing and never in person. > >One of the bands on the Austin stop of the Flaming Lips tour with >Robyn had one. At least part of the time, the guitar player would >control it with the neck of his guitar. Seems like I've seen a theremin played onstage three times...with the Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, with Pere Ubu and with...umm...someone else. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:12:15 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: Re: Theremin > One of the bands on the Austin stop of the Flaming Lips tour with Robyn > had one. Cornelius, I think it was. They played the NYC stop, as well. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:18:05 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Theremin On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, steve wrote: > One of the bands on the Austin stop of the Flaming Lips tour with > Robyn had one. At least part of the time, the guitar player would > control it with the neck of his guitar. That was IQU. The band of chain-smokers. Ken Stringfellow played one with the Young Fresh Fellows openning for the Soft Boys in Seattle last year. It was one of the Moog series. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:14:39 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: eMpTyVee VCR ALERT Haven't had enuff of the LOTR build up? Fear not! Our buddies at eMpTyVee have a making of special at 10 pm (EST) on Monday Dec 10. FYI, Herbie np -> "piggies" Beatle George :) MONO VERSION ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:16:03 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: VCD Question What software can I use to convert mpg and avi I have downloaded into VCD for my DVD player? Enuff alphabet soup, back to Ovid for my mythology exam tomorrow. Herbie np -> Number 9 Beatles (MOno) ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:10:23 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: instruments What ever happened to the Stylophone - musical instrument of the future - first virtuoso: Rolf Harris... Matt "Can you tell what it is yet?" Sewell >From: Michael R Godwin > > > >Which musical instrument is really new anymore? Sigh. > > > On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > > > The Chapman Stick is still relatively "new." > >On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, gSs wrote: > > The theremin and the stick are newest I can think of. But you'll have a > > hard time finding a theremin to play. I guess it could be considered the > > first synthesizer. > >OK, let's start from the year 1901 and work out which instruments didn't >exist 100 years ago. > >All those Futurist noise machines (some nice pics at >http://www.unknown.nu/futurism/noises.html) >Electrically amplified versions of existing instruments: guitar, banjo, >sax, double bass, violin, mandolin etc (various dates from 1930ish). >Arguably the solid-body instrument with pole pickups is a completely new >instrument, as opposed to an instrument which just has a microphone >amplifying the original acoustic sound >The mighty Wurlitzer (1920s?) >Hammond organ (1940s? doesn't it work on a different principle from other >electric organs, or did I make that up?) >Fender Rhodes piano >Prepared piano >Harry Partch instruments (thanks, Terry!) >Clavioline (nice! as heard on 'Telstar') >Stylophone >Mellotron (1960s) (if it is a new instrument) >Theremin (1960s?) >VCS3 and its derivatives / Moog analog synthesizer >Digital sythesizer >Sampler (if a sampler is a new instrument) > >I'm not sure whether sound processors count as musical instruments. I >don't see how a spring reverb unit can be classed as an instrument, but it >makes a huge difference to the sound; ditto Leslie cabinets, octividers, >distorters, tape echo and what have you. I would have thought that those >drum machines, beat boxes and digital FX processors were just special >applications of the digital synth. > >And of course there are a huge range of ethnic instruments which were more >or less unknown outside their countries of origin until world music caught >on: bullroarers, didgeridoos, gamelan kit, ethnic drums of all nations, >Indian classical instruments, balalaikas, oudhs, syrinxes, etc etc. They >aren't new, but they're new to me. > >- MRG - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:34:15 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: On first looking into Chapman' stick Keep trying.. Matt >From: "Fric Chaud" I have been quietly reading this list >for a few days trying to understand the way to use apostrophe's >in English. > >-- >Fric Chaud - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:47:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: instruments (near-RH content), apostrophes On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, matt sewell wrote: > What ever happened to the Stylophone - musical instrument of the future - > first virtuoso: Rolf Harris... You need: http://www.stylophones.com/ And if you are insisting on the words 'stylophone' and 'Robyn Hitchcock' on the same page, try: http://www.epitonic.com/artists/departurelounge.html - - MRG PS Fric, regarding those apostrophes: An apostrophe denotes the genetive (possessive) case, as in: Fric's question, Michael's reply, Matt's query about stylophones. It is also used informally to indicate missing letters or spoken abbreviations: can't for cannot, won't for will not, they've for they have etc. I wouldn't do this in a formal report, I would always spell the words out in full. "It's" is an abbreviation for it is. "Its" is a possessive pronoun which goes with his and her: his bicycle, her coat, its dogfood. The most common error I know is the use of "it's" when "its" is intended. The apostrophe is _never_ used for a plural, except by greengrocers (or, as they would call themselves, greengrocer's). Journalist and novelist Keith Waterhouse has run a campaign against this solecism for many years. Stewart is even more pedantic and knowledgeable about these things than I am, and if he is in a good mood he will give some more details. Failing that, see: http://www.lboro.ac.uk/departments/el/teachingzone/cae/coursework/reports/apostrophe.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 08:51:48 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: instruments theremin: it's easy to get instructions to kit-build one. it's possible the "other" band Eb remembers might be Cleveland's Cobra Verde? There are several regularly gigging thereminists in the Washington DC area. I like the theremin best when it's used to play actual notes, rather than make whooop whoop noises, but that requires a steadier hand and a better ear than many command anything can be an instrument if you think about it wrong. a very influential show for me was the baltimorons (later rechristened the motor morons), who had mic'd up a radio shack 75-in-1 science kit, and for a lead instrument had a coffee can filled with ball bearings which they would push into a belt sander -- it also provided much of the stage lighting effects. - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 08:56:31 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: DR-5 On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, Michael R Godwin wrote: > Come to think of it, no-one has mentioned the pedal steel 'guitar', which > is so much more sophisticated than the Hawaiian guitar that I would count > it as a separate instrument. How about the Boss DR-5? It is a drum machine, sound module, chord composer, riff building, 4 track sequencer with an internal midi trigger. The pressure sensative buttons are setup like a guitar fretboard and can be assigned percussions samples when doing that track or any of the dozens of other instrument sounds on the remaining three tracks. It has effects, a tuner and metronome along with song banks. So while I use it mainly as a drum machine, it is also a midi workstation which I use to compose, play and record entire songs. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:37:32 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: re: northants >As far as I can remember, they played White Light, but I was quite >surprised that there seemed little crossover between the two gigs... on >first hearing in Dorset, I thought that Narcissus would become one of >those every-gig songs. No sign of Strings, either (wasn't greatly struck by >that one!). I liked White Light and Narcissus best of the new Dorset songs and hope that they both make the album. I thought Disconnection was more of a canditate for a bside or "invisible" collection. >I think the new new songs from N/hampton were along similar lines to the >new new songs from Evershot - as you say, much more like Soft Boys songs >than a new Robyn album. Having seen this week's gig, I am looking forwardto >the album way more than I was before - I thought that some of the newest >material was some of the best. Indeedy, it's a soft boys album we need, but can a man of a certain age cover the old Soft Boy's themes without producing The Wall instead? We hope so. I would like to see the next show, but going to London mid-week is not really practical for me. brian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:36:46 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: MP3 question Ken Weingold wrote: > > CoolEdit Pro is also really expensive. A friend of mine who does a > lot of this stuff said that though lots of people swear by CoolEdit, > it's is really slow, as you said. that's the Fraunhofer-Gesellschaft encoder making it slow and expensive. Decent quality, tho'. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:50:42 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: trying again... rubrshrk@harborside.com wrote: > > I've been thinking about this. I wonder if it is going to turn > out that these two guys are the same person. pictures of me kicking Fric's ass will prove that wrong -- just you wait... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:01:19 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: instruments (near-RH content), apostrophes Michael R Godwin wrote: > > Stewart is even more pedantic and knowledgeable about these things than I > am, and if he is in a good mood he will give some more details. The most concise guide is here: http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif And it's canadian. And Mike, I'm not pedantic, as such... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:04:10 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: instruments (near-RH content), apostrophes Michael R Godwin wrote: > > http://www.stylophones.com/ wouldyalookit the price a those things! Fifty quid for a used Stylophone!! Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:05:25 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: She's baaack. GENEVA, Switzerland -- The World Health Organisation says there had been at least one case of the deadly Ebola virus in Gabon. The confirmation follows reports that 10 people had died of a mystery illness in the Central African country. A WHO official said in the Gabon capital Libreville on Friday that 10 people, including a nurse, had died in Gabon from a disease it was feared could be Ebola. http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/africa/12/09/africa.ebola/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:07:12 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] Rob wrote: > > Me too. I'd like to actually meet Stewart before he departs these > shores. no, you wouldn't, really. Honest. Most people who meet me regret it. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:17:53 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] marcus slade wrote: > > I can strongly recommend Toronto as a fine destination. Well, we liked it enough to consider living there. > (the Annex is a favorite of mine) yeah, we were staying their when we visited. Just up the road from the Shoe Museum. > I'm sure you'll have a great time. How are you getting round the immigration > situation? By getting permanent resident visas. About CAN$1500 a pop, and about three months or so. Loads o' form-filling, alas, but no hassle or lawyers required. Everything you need is here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/ Stewart - -- Stewart C. Russell Senior Analyst Programmer stewart@ref.collins.co.uk Collins Dictionaries use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Bishopbriggs, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:19:45 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] "Bachman, Michael" wrote: > > You are going to have to learn the intricacies of hockey isn't ice hockey where you get some ice and some guys with sticks and they have a fight? And there's this wee black thing whizzing around, symbolising the human condition? It always looks that way to me. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:21:14 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] Michael R Godwin wrote: > > Bon voyage, Stewart! You'll be looking forward to meeting up with Fric on > the next Soft Boys Canadian tour... "looking forward to" might not be the right term > Do you know that book of Robertson Davies stories alas. no. My canadian literature experience starts with M.Atwood, and ends with S.Notley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 08:26:17 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: Re: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Rob wrote: > > > > Me too. I'd like to actually meet Stewart before he departs these > > shores. > > no, you wouldn't, really. Honest. Most people who meet me regret it. don't believe him for a second. Stewart is one of the sweetest guys you could ever meet. - -- http://glasshotel.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:37:54 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] bayard wrote: > > Stewart is one of the sweetest guys you could ever meet. shush, bayard! I have a reputation to keep... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 08:43:17 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: very short concert review Dear fegs, I went to see the Rock*A*Teens on Saturday night, not knowing anything about them. They were awesome! Why doesn't anybody warn me about these things?? love, n. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:51:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: triv displays of learning On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Stewart C. Russell wrote: >wouldyalookit the price a those things! Fifty quid for a used >Stylophone!! Stewart, you're turning into the Plain People of Ireland. Are you sure you're headed for the right country? > And Mike, I'm not pedantic, as such... Well, my WordWeb thesaurus defines pedantic as "Marked by a narrow focus on or display of learning especially its trivial aspects". There must be someone on this list who fits that definition. What's this, a mirror? Oh. - - Mike Godwin PS Did you see TOTP2 last week? Apparently Gordon Haskell, who has a hit with a slow jazz-blues thing which sounds like 'How long has this being going on?' (but isn't) is an ex-member of Fleur de Lys, of Nuggets II fame! ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #457 ********************************