From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #455 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, December 8 2001 Volume 10 : Number 455 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: instruments nouveaux ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] The cover of Robyn's new book! ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] RE: Plot [Capuchin ] Re: catching up with feg digests [steve ] Re: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: instruments ["Jason R. Thornton" ] re: MP3 [Eb ] Re: MP3 [Ken Weingold ] Re: instruments [Jeff Dwarf ] re: MP3 [Jeff Dwarf ] The old, the good, the bad and the absurd ["Redtailed Hawk" ] Re: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] ["marcus slade" ] Re: instruments nouveaux [bayard ] Interesting trivia [Eb ] Desensitization thru unmoled dopplegangers? ["Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Re: instruments nouveaux > From: Michael R Godwin > > OK, let's start from the year 1901 and work out which instruments didn't > exist 100 years ago. We can't forget Eugene Chadborne's Electric Rake. And I once saw Mayuko Hino -- the leader of the Japanese noise outfit C.C.C.C. - -- do a solo performance opening for Nimrod. Her instrument was a rectangular baking tin filled with metal nuts and bolts, with contact mics attached via alligator clips, fed to a bank of effects pedals, and run straight to the PA. It made one helluva sound. She was dressed in kimono, had four of these tins, and she made a bunch of noise, then she got completely naked on stage. How sweet of her. Oh, and we can't forget the Haters. I saw all three of them play a wooden hat rack, with a plumb bob suspended from it, which they scraped upon an old turntable that had been covered in course sandpaper, which they amplified. That was one helluva sound, too. Something about the Sound of Decay or something like that. Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:26:05 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: RE: Plot On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Eb wrote: > The Eb trumpet can be controversial, though. Some people really > develop an affection for its sound, others think it's just loud and > grating. It tends to get plugged with mucus, too. If you want to hear some of the most beautiful flugelhorn, listen to chuck mangione's music. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:50:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: The cover of Robyn's new book! Wow, he finished it up quicker than I expected! Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:56:58 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: When I was dead I learnt a new instrument >I don't tend to be affected by celebrity deaths in the slightest, and >I'm only a casual Beatles fan, so the discussion about George has been >mostly a curiosity for me...but I was picking out CDs to take to work >(freelancing still...but my interview today went all right) and noticing >for the first time how many of George's Beatles songs were among my >favorites. Cool. good thing you're not in NZ at the moment then. The country's gone into virtually a national official day of mourning over Peter Blake. Bizarre way to go though. >What makes any "when you are dead" theory more plausible than any other? >There are no magicians because there is no magic. That is a fact. And >since magic is just an illusion, literally, every heel on which magic rides >is false. okay, then here's one. Theoretically, when you fall into a black hole, time for you stretches out to infinity compared to the instantaneousness of the event as seen from outside. The same is true when you die. For those observing, it is instantaneous, but within your mind things slow down to an eternal instant that is after all external receptors. Your surroundings become irrelevant and your brain falls forever/instantaneously into a 'white hole' of light. For those observing, it's over in a flash. For the dying, it is an eternity of light. Re: new instruments - Omnichord? E-bow? Moog? e creative! Find something that's never been used as a musical instrument, and turn it into a new instrument! >Theremin (1960s?) As to the Theremin, ISTR that Lenin was present at its first public performance, which would make it ante 1922. James (cranky after being woken by a minor earthquake) np - Monochrome Set - Eligible Bachelors. Man, I'd forgotten how much FUN that is! James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:58:07 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: instruments nouveaux On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > > From: Michael R Godwin > > OK, let's start from the year 1901 and work out which instruments didn't > > exist 100 years ago. > > We can't forget Eugene Chadborne's Electric Rake. Or Sonic Boom's array of "Speak & Maths". J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:01:34 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: Plot On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Eb wrote: > The Eb trumpet can be controversial, though. Some people really > develop an affection for its sound, others think it's just loud and > grating. It tends to get plugged with mucus, too. I noted to my music instructor a while back that I was thinking of buying a beautiful silver flugelhorn (the cousin in make and model to my beautiful silver trumpet) and he more or less refused to help me learn to play it well. "I don't see why anyone would want to... it's... well, it's just not a virtuoso instrument." I don't think he'd actually refuse the money if I ponied up for another half hour a week. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:41:59 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: catching up with feg digests On Friday, December 7, 2001, at 09:12 AM, gSs wrote: > Maybe I'll breakdown and buy that 75 dollar Apex DVD > player and watch the Phantasm series. It has a single tray but plays > DVDs, Audio CD/CRD/CDRW and MP3 discs. Anyone familiar with this device? The original Apex model was/is famous for allowing region switching via the tech menu (if you know how). The Chinese company "fixed" this in later models. However, there is evidently a new champion - the Oritron 650, which can be had for around 90 to 100 bucks at Target and is reported to switch regions without much trouble. Then you can watch weirdass non Region 1 stuff like Battle Royale. - - Steve __________ Misadvised by a frustrated and panic-stricken attorney general, a president of the United States has just assumed what amounts to dictatorial power to jail or execute aliens. - William Safire ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 19:02:21 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] >On 7 Dec 2001 at 15:50, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > > > You'll have to have a UK feg gathering before you go! > > > > I'm in! > > > > - Mike Godwin > >Me too. I'd like to actually meet Stewart before he departs these >shores. > >-- >Rob Hey, When Stewart reaches the Great White North he and Fric can get together over some Molsons. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:03:31 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: catching up with feg digests Steve: > The original Apex model was/is famous for allowing region > switching via > the tech menu (if you know how). The Chinese company "fixed" this in > later models. Yep, and I bought one of those "fixed" models. But just last month I found a kid on the net who was selling firmware upgrades, replacement EPROMs that fix a number of legitimate flaws in the Apex, *and* make the player region-free and disable Macrovision copy protection as a bonus. Worked like a charm. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:04:13 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Theremin > But you'll have a hard time finding a theremin to play. I believe Moog and lots of other folk sell theremins and theremin kits. For example - http://www.thereminworld.com/ And lots of theremin info here - http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/machines/theremin/ And sorry, James, but I don't think you could call the e-bow an instrument. - - Steve __________ I've noticed that this President's grassroots supporters cannot think of anything to say in his defense aside from screaming that he isn't Clinton. That wholly negative appeal, and not his mythic "likability," is Bush's primary asset. - Mark Crispin Miller ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 16:16:50 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: instruments At 11:52 AM 12/7/2001 -0800, Glen Uber wrote: > > I believe the "bass guitar," acoustic or electric, is unique to the 20th > > century. > >What about that big acoustic bass "guitar" --bajo sexto?-- that is used in >mariachi bands in Mexican restaurants? Surely it predates the 20th century, >right? Or is it calssified as something other than a guitar? Yeah... I'm not sure exactly what that thing is called, but I don't believe it was the basis for the "bass guitar," which was originally derived by Leo Fender as an electric replacement for the upright. But, Fender was a Southern Californian, so he it is not out of the realm of possibility that he was at least somewhat familiar with the big Mexican acoustic "bass" guitar you're talking about. Honestly, both would likely be classified as being in the guitar *family*, but to what degree they should be considered the same instrument is probably open to debate. I guess the big question is, if developed from a pre-existing instrument, to what degree must the derivation stray from the original to really be considered "new?" - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:17:24 -0800 From: Eb Subject: re: MP3 Thanks for the tip about Audion's MP3-editing abilities...I downloaded it from the Web, and it's exactly what I wanted. > > The Eb trumpet can be controversial, though. Some people really >> develop an affection for its sound, others think it's just loud and >> grating. It tends to get plugged with mucus, too. > >If you want to hear some of the most beautiful flugelhorn, listen to >chuck mangione's music. OK, that's *two* people who missed the joke. ;) Eb np: Pink Floyd/Fat Old Sun, live on the BBC (now, minus a minute and a half of needless intro/outro) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 01:32:03 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: MP3 On Fri, Dec 7, 2001, Eb wrote: > np: Pink Floyd/Fat Old Sun, live on the BBC (now, minus a minute and > a half of needless intro/outro) Live from when, 1970? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 06:40:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: instruments other possible new-ish instruments: the various contraptions created by N.U. Unruh for Einsturzende Neubauten. that half guitar/half pedal steel guitar thing that junior brown plays the dobro? ===== "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 06:48:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: re: MP3 Eb wrote: > Thanks for the tip about Audion's MP3-editing abilities...I > downloaded it from the Web, and it's exactly what I wanted. > > > > The Eb trumpet can be controversial, though. Some people really > >> develop an affection for its sound, others think it's just loud > and > >> grating. It tends to get plugged with mucus, too. > > > >If you want to hear some of the most beautiful flugelhorn, listen to > >chuck mangione's music. > > OK, that's *two* people who missed the joke. ;) if it makes you feel any better _I_ got it. > Eb > > np: Pink Floyd/Fat Old Sun, live on the BBC (now, minus a minute and > a half of needless intro/outro) ===== "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 14:58:37 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: The old, the good, the bad and the absurd First the old. Jeme wrote: >If I said, "My cousin Murray died. His friend Jim is really upset >because >they both slept with the same woman back in the sixties." >Would you be >curious to know more? Not if you worded like that;-). But if you gave it abit more gift of gab, yes. I have a friend from a big family. Ive never met any of her siblings but Ive been fully appraised of their lives for the last 15 years. And yes, I -am- interested. - ------------------------------------------------- The Good As some of you may be aware Ive been campagning for a long time for a pet in our household. If all goes well today when I get home from work I will be greeted by Corey, a 1 1/2-old male Bichon delivered by the Bichon rescue service. Today is a good day:-). - ------------------------------------------------------- The Bad Tom: >Fuck that. As soon as I saw the first Burger King / LOTR >cross-promotion >I knew that this was yet another film I wasn't going >to see. Its worse than that. The promotion is a complete fucking travesty and I for one aint ever eatin at Mordor King again. Last night we went while running errands. Theres a display that says, "Youre Search For the One Ring Is Over." The display encourages the kiddies to collect all the toys, which piece together to make the One Ring. Thats right--the whole point of this obscenity is for the kids to -acquire- the one ring. I picked up a piece of the promo-lit. It had stuff on it like "Answer all four questions correctly and put your name inside the ring." Also -- "Bring the POWER OF THE RING to life!" I dont know if I want to scream, kick or cry. This stuff is aimed at young kids and it completely subverts the meaning of the book (and I hope of the movie.) How can this happen? And even more importantly, how can it be stopped? Im serious here. Much as Id like to imagine Tolkein's daimon reappearing to wreaketh much wratheth, my guess is some kind of peaceful but strenous protest might have some effect. Am I just a rover boy, or is there actually hope that the ringwraiths can be stopped? - ----------------------------------- The Absurd: Last night I dreamed I went church on Sunday and the opening hymn was "Theres No Business Like Show Business." Really, cross my heart and hope to die, that was my dream. And I wouldnt even describe the Pete Townsend part;-). Kay "I hate learning the "real" lyrics when they are so less satisfying than my misinterpreted ones." Jason Thorton _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 16:20:21 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Germaine Tent and Sir Ranulph Pole This is pretty funny: http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=108970 This aint bad either: http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,6109,613940,00.html Kay, yup, wasting time at work again. Meaning has to be shared to be real. Mark Kingwell _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:42:55 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: Plot On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > At 01:48 PM 12/7/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > > How about the flugelhorn? > > The dictionary dates it at 1854. > > For some reason that reminded me of the vibraphone (Miles Davis, jazz, > vibraphone, I guess), which was invented early in the 20th Century, if I'm > not mistaken. For no reason at all, that reminded me of the pedal steel guitar - history, anyone? Or how about the clavinet - you know, that funky low thing on old Stevie Wonder records? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:45:09 From: "marcus slade" Subject: Re: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] Hey Stuart, I can strongly recommend Toronto as a fine destination. I'm about half way through a 6 month visit (I ditched my job in England to live with my girlfriend here) so I will be leaving around the time that you get here (March 19th?). The city is great. There's good museums, good record shopping, lots of cool area's to explore (the Annex is a favorite of mine) and good gig opportunity's. I'm sure you'll have a great time. How are you getting round the immigration situation? Marcus np Neil Young - On The Beach > >Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 14:09:30 +0000 >From: "Stewart C. Russell" >Subject: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] > >Well, I've had enough of these stinky damp dark Scottish winters. We're >emigrating to Canada in the spring. I've just given my three months >notice, and in March, the fun begins. > > Stewart >(a future canadafeg) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:18:30 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: the bad > Tom: >> Fuck that. As soon as I saw the first Burger King / LOTR >> cross-promotion I knew that this was yet another film I wasn't going >> to see. On Saturday, December 8, 2001, at 08:58 AM, Redtailed Hawk wrote: > Its worse than that. The promotion is a complete fucking travesty and I > for one aint ever eatin at Mordor King again. Yes, the BK ads are tacky beyond belief, but this tie-in stuff is free advertising to get the Potterites and the great unwashed into the theaters where, if early reports are correct, they are going to see an excellent film, and perhaps one that turns out to be a classic. I haven't really paid attention to the business part of making the films, but little bitty New Line was willing to put up 270 million for production costs (and make three films rather than Jackson's proposed two), so I'm willing to cut them a good bit of slack. Too bad Disney doesn't have the balls to do an all-out blitz for Miyazaki's Spirited Away. - - Steve __________ A New York Times investigation into overseas ballots that helped George W. Bush win the presidency found that Florida election officials, facing intense GOP pressure to accept military votes, counted hundreds of overseas absentee ballots that failed to comply with state election laws. __________ One of the president's close acquaintances outside the White House said Mr. Bush clearly feels he has encountered his reason for being, a conviction informed and shaped by the president's own strain of Christianity. "I think, in his frame, this is what God has asked him to do," the acquaintance said. - Frank Bruni, NYT, on Bush's new war ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:04:30 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: Re: instruments nouveaux On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > > From: Michael R Godwin > > > > OK, let's start from the year 1901 and work out which instruments didn't > > exist 100 years ago. > > We can't forget Eugene Chadborne's Electric Rake. Nor Brian Dewan's electric zither. Rather than the usual 20-40 strings, Brian's zither has 88 strings and was cannibalized from pieces of an electric guitar and a harpsichord . He built it in his basement in 1989. That's pretty new! Did anyone go to the Dean show on thursday? =b ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:06:33 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Interesting trivia A Billboard article says that not only is The Beatles/1 the top-selling album of this year, but it's the ONLY time a Beatles disc has been top-selling album of the year. Surprising! The yearly best-selling albums during the Beatles' initial run: 1964: Hello Dolly - Original Cast 1965: Mary Poppins - Soundtrack 1966: Whipped Cream and Other Delights - Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass 1967: More of the Monkees - The Monkees 1968: Are You Experienced - The Jimi Hendrix Experience 1969: In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida - Iron Butterfly 1970: Bridge Over Troubled Water - Simon and Garfunkel Eb (Iron Butterfly??) np: Teenage Fanclub/Howdy! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 21:21:04 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Desensitization thru unmoled dopplegangers? This is also works: http://www.modernhumorist.com/mh/0112/coping/ I guess I'd have to type more to make a digest spit out. Oh well. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #455 ********************************