From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #453 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, December 7 2001 Volume 10 : Number 453 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MP3 question [Capuchin ] Re: Plot ["Fric Chaud" ] jeff and george ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] catching up with feg digests ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] the other side ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: Plot [Terrence Marks ] Re: the other side [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] RE: the jolly, candy-like button ["da9ve stovall" ] Re: MP3 question [Jason Miller ] Re: Northants ["matt sewell" ] Re: stiff upper lip [Michael R Godwin ] Re: stiff upper lip ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: Re: MP3 question [FS Thomas ] The True North strong and free! [0% RH] ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: catching up with feg digests [gSs ] Re: catching up with feg digests ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Plot ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Question about DAT files and convertig to .wav/mp3 ["Paul Montagne" ] Re: Plot [gSs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:07:37 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: MP3 question On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Glen Uber wrote: > You're using a Mac, right? iTunes will allow you to do this very > thing. Using your Get Info option (File=>Get Info or Command-I). Click > the option tag and set the Start Playback and Stop Playback times in > the windows provided. Am I reading this incorrectly or does this just set the playback start and stop times for the file while leaving the datastream itself intact? I have audio players that will do that (playback from a certain starting point to a certain stopping point by file), but that's not the same thing as actually trimming out the unwanted data. When I do this (and no, it won't be transferable to Eb's situation, but Glen could potentially find a way to build the same tools on his OSX system), I manually go through the intermediary step that Eb probably wants automated in which the MP3 stream is dumped as raw PCM audio and then re-encoded after it's editted. > I seem to have a lot of success with the OpenNap searches. Gnutella's > results seem to be much more random and unrelated to my actual search. I haven't used OpenNap in a while, but I had good luck when I did (depending on server). I also considered, at one point, starting an OpenNap server for fegs... but the interest was little. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:31:06 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: Plot > On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > Take a break. Travel. Anti-depressants? Learn a new musical > > instrument. Which musical instrument is really new anymore? Sigh. - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:50:05 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: jeff and george > From: "Natalie Jane" > I > decided that he is one of the best singers in the E6 collective (along with > Jeff Mangum Ouch, faint praise indeed! >:) > From: Eb > It's really sad the way people feel like they have to apologize for > posting musical content, nowadays. Nah, I'm seeing a lot more than usual with no apologies attached, and I'm really happy about it. I don't tend to be affected by celebrity deaths in the slightest, and I'm only a casual Beatles fan, so the discussion about George has been mostly a curiosity for me...but I was picking out CDs to take to work (freelancing still...but my interview today went all right) and noticing for the first time how many of George's Beatles songs were among my favorites. Cool. Drew - -- http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ "You're living in a global shopping mall, and you're the only person who still thinks there's a bloody exit." - Edina Monsoon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:00:45 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: catching up with feg digests > From: Capuchin > I always wondered which particular brand of jeans he was singing about. Now that I think about it, that would conflict with the miniskirt line. But which beautiful gene is it? That doesn't help. Also I always heard "you and I are higher than the law," which was pretty interesting. > From: "Natalie Jane" > I've been thinking lately of assembling the various concert reviews I've > posted to the list and publishing them as a zine. I don't know whether > anyone who doesn't know me personally would be interested in them, though. Actually, your reviews are always more entertaining than I expect the show would have been (to me). Which praise is not as faint as it sounds. :) > From: gSs > > On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: >> Personally, I doubt that there will be any "suffering" in "the next world" >> of any sort that we would comprehend. > > What about the hell as displayed in the movie Phantasm? When I finally get around to seeing it, I'll let you know! > It is just as likely as anything else. I disagree. > Is that the contemporary or traditional understanding of hell? > Phantasm concept is completely removed from the anthropocentrism theory as > far as we are the shit when compared to anything else. But > anthropocentrism can also be used to describe the only way we have to > relate anything to anything else. What I meant was that I doubt we remain "human," either structurally or mentally, after death. I don't believe in souls, either, but if I did, I wouldn't expect them to be human-shaped. Drew - -- http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ "You're living in a global shopping mall, and you're the only person who still thinks there's a bloody exit." - Edina Monsoon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:15:30 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: the other side > From: Capuchin > But these specifics, this Clapton-Harrison-Boyd relationship about which I > know nothing, concerns me not at all. I don't think we can gain any > useful insights examining the lives of those we do not know > intimately. Human interaction is complex and you simply can't know enough > about a stranger for their personal lives to be meaningful to you. I have to agree with Jason that your generalization here is not particularly sound, unless maybe by "we" and "you" you mean "Jeme." But on this specific point: I don't understand why anyone would be curious as to how celebrities react to the deaths of other celebrities. Surely the interesting part, if any of it is interesting (and I personally don't think it is), is how celebrities react to other celebrities, which surely doesn't change much because of a shift in status from living to deceased. Drew - -- http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ "You're living in a global shopping mall, and you're the only person who still thinks there's a bloody exit." - Edina Monsoon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 21:48:26 -0500 From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Plot Fric Chaud wrote: > > > On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > > > Take a break. Travel. Anti-depressants? Learn a new musical > > > instrument. > > Which musical instrument is really new anymore? Sigh. I believe Mr. Partsch had some moderately recent ones that you could look into.... - -- Terrence Marks http://www.unlikeminerva.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:01:19 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: the other side On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > From: Capuchin > > > But these specifics, this Clapton-Harrison-Boyd relationship about which I > > know nothing, concerns me not at all. I don't think we can gain any > > useful insights examining the lives of those we do not know > > intimately. Human interaction is complex and you simply can't know enough > > about a stranger for their personal lives to be meaningful to you. > > I don't understand why anyone would be curious as to how celebrities > react to the deaths of other celebrities. Surely the interesting part, > if any of it is interesting (and I personally don't think it is), is > how celebrities react to other celebrities, which surely doesn't change > much because of a shift in status from living to deceased. Can't speak for anyone else, but...if you're moved and affected by an artist's work, the human sources of that work would seem to be of at least theoretical interest. To turn old-farty for a moment: the Harrison-Boyd-Clapton triangle was the source of the anguish and inspiration behind Clapton's writing "Layla." If, as I do, you think that song represents a peak of intensity for him, both playing and singing, it's at least of some interest to know that that intensity arose from real life - not merely from a craftsman-like attempt to write a love song. I'll also agree w/whoever said that although we can't *know* strangers' lives enough to really evaluate their interactions, we can take from those relationships whatever resonates with us, with our lives. That's why people read books, watch films, etc. - or at least one reason. I'm not quite sure I get the bit about "surely the interesting part...is how celebrities react to other celebrities": huh? I'd be curious how Clapton reacted to Harrison's death because (a) the above, and more specifically, because (b) they were friends, it seems, or at least had a deep and abiding respect for one another - not least as musicians, which is really where we come in. If we're fans of Harrison's music, wouldn't the opinion of a Clapton on that music be of more value than the opinion of, I dunno, Queen Elizabeth? I don't think this has much to do with their being "celebrities": if Harrison and Clapton were, uh, Chris Lopez of the Rock-a-Teens and Charles Mexico of the Wrens - two of my fave bands, but hardly "celebrities": - I'd still be interested in that conversation. (Note: as far as I know, both Lopez and Mexico are alive.) - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I can bellow like a clown school drill instructor:: __Brian Block__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:29:13 -0800 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: the jolly, candy-like button >From: Eleanore Adams >Subject: robyn buttons >I just got from a co-worker an old '80 circa rock and roll >button of madonna of the wasps! Very cool! She was >cleaning out her closet and found a jacket of buttons and >knew I was a RH fan. red background with a black and white >and yellow wasp queen on it. I've got that exact same button. Can't remember where/when I got it, but I remember it cost one dollar. >From: Eb >Subject: Re: MP3 question >I have a related, perhaps parallel, question: Is there a >bit of downloadable software which lets you *edit* a MP3, >i.e. trim seconds off the beginning and end, etc.? You'll probably have to convert it to .wav (or .aiff if you're on a Mac) format first. From there, any decent .wav editor will let you do simple stuff like that. Goldwave (www.goldwave.com) for the PC is a *stupidly* easy and intuitive one to use - I still use it for some simple .wav editing things, though I've long since moved on to other programs for intensive processing, just 'cos it's such a nice interface. Some .wav/.aiff editors need a plug-in or some kind of codec to be able to read MP3's, but I remember the one for Goldwave being easy to find. da9ve NP - XTC - Explode Together (www.xtcidearecords.co.uk autographed copy - neato) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 05:30:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Jason Miller Subject: Re: MP3 question end snip> Audion from Panic can edit MP3s using a waveform editor. It's not free like iTunes but it's a great deal more robust. The player only is $19.95 while the player + encoder is $32.95. It's got a lot of other great features as well. J a s o n S. M i l l e r ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 09:25:17 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Northants As far as I can remember, they played White Light, but I was quite surprised that there seemed little crossover between the two gigs... on first hearing in Dorset, I thought that Narcissus would become one of those every-gig songs. No sign of Strings, either (wasn't greatly struck by that one!). I think the new new songs from N/hampton were along similar lines to the new new songs from Evershot - as you say, much more like Soft Boys songs than a new Robyn album. Having seen this week's gig, I am looking forward to the album way more than I was before - I thought that some of the newest material was some of the best. So Brian, indeed, anyone else - are you coming to the London show? I think it'll be incredible - the Notting Hill Arts Center is *tiny*, not much bigger than the 12-bar... early doors to avoid disappointment though, I reckon... Cheers Matt >From: "Brian Hoare" >Did they play any of the Dorset new songs ( Narcissus, Disconnected >from the >ruling class, White Light, UP Love)? >I enjoyed all of those, they felt lyrically more like Soft Boys or >at least >earlier pre EofA songs than the old new songs which seemed more of a >continuation of Robyn's recent solo stuff. So what was the feel of >the new >new ones? I have high hopes for this new album. > >On unrelated notes. > >Motorised Pogo Stick: In one of our scooby doo vids Shaggy and >Scoobs >attempt to flee a pirate's ghost on an mps. This turns out to be a >jack >hammer which also has the ability to climb walls and cross cave >roofs while >being ridden. > >Henry Rawlinson: I've been trying to find a reference but I'm sure >that I've >seen something in print that asserted that VS knew of Henry >Rawlinson. The >deathday reference certainly appeared in a newspaper obit. On the >subject of >the Intro and the Outro (first mention of the Rawlinsons), Neil >Innes >reprised the pom pom pom-pom pom riff used by the lower brass >instruments as >The Magic Tune in his role as a magician on a BBC children's program >- >Puddle Lane? > >Feg Reading: While enjoying the ambience of the Winter Palace in >Luxor last >week I read "The Best of Saki" from the cheapo Penguin classics >range. A >delightful read for fans of Edwardiana. He stands alongside Wilde >and Coward >in style, elagance and wit. To be enjoyed a couple of stories at a >time over >a brandy in the evening. > >brian "eyes clenched and fists blazing" > >np: Love: Forever Change > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:58:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: stiff upper lip On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Viv Lyon wrote: > I'm surprised to hear a brit recommend anti-depressants, though with a > qualifying question mark after the word. I've been under the impression > that brits tried to pretend that mood-altering drugs don't exist. Stiff > upper lip and all that. Brits love to go to the doc and discuss their symptoms (after all, it doesn't cost anything), and most of them expect to get a prescription of some sort before they leave. But on the whole, therapeutic drugs are only available on prescription [aspirin and suchlike excepted]. I get the impression that fewer drugs are prescription-only in many other countries: for example, I've been to places where antibiotics are available over the counter. 'Mother's little helper' (Track 1, Aftermath, The Rolling Stones, Decca Records, 1966) captures the situation nicely: - - lyric at While researching this, I found that, bizarrely, this opening track does not appear on non-UK versions of the album. Sensitivity about the drug references, perhaps? Or just that they wanted to make room for 'Paint it, black', which is not on the UK record? - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 11:28:01 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: stiff upper lip Michael R Godwin wrote: > > for example, I've been to places where antibiotics are available over the > counter. The States, f'rinstance. Why anyone buys 'em there, I don't know; just drink the milk! > While researching this, I found that, bizarrely, this opening track does > not appear on non-UK versions of the album The only Stones album I ever owned -- a collection I got from an Oxfam shop for 50p -- had MLH and lots o' other fun stuff. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 05:18:02 -0800 (PST) From: FS Thomas Subject: RE: Re: MP3 question > end snip> CoolEdit Pro allows this as well. Very snazzy. The codec it uses is probably the best I've heard. The downside? The higher quality settings take an age to process... - -ferris. Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 14:09:30 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] Well, I've had enough of these stinky damp dark Scottish winters. We're emigrating to Canada in the spring. I've just given my three months notice, and in March, the fun begins. Stewart (a future canadafeg) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 14:23:32 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] Admit it Stewart, you're just fleeing the malty flavour of Scotland! Also, do they not have the dark winters over there? It's all fairly Northerly, isn't it, apart from the bit that's South of Detroit? Any idea of where, exactly? It all sounds veh exciting - I must say Canada is pretty high on my list of places to visit... You'll have to have a UK feg gathering before you go! Matt >From: "Stewart C. Russell" >Reply-To: "Stewart C. Russell" >To: The Gelatine Prince from the 2364th Dimension >Subject: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] >Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 14:09:30 +0000 > >Well, I've had enough of these stinky damp dark Scottish winters. We're >emigrating to Canada in the spring. I've just given my three months >notice, and in March, the fun begins. > > Stewart >(a future canadafeg) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 14:41:48 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] matt sewell wrote: > > Admit it Stewart, you're just fleeing the malty flavour of Scotland! no, the dark, and the rain, really. > Also, do they not have the dark winters over there? It's all fairly > Northerly, isn't it, apart from the bit that's South of Detroit? Don't forget that I'm almost on 56 degrees north here. There are bits of Alaska further south than here. > Any idea of where, exactly? Toronto. It's quite far south, as far as Scotland is concerned. > It all sounds veh exciting - I must say > Canada is pretty high on my list of places to visit... we can all eat Weetabix and sing!! Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:50:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: The True North strong and free! [0% RH] Bon voyage, Stewart! You'll be looking forward to meeting up with Fric on the next Soft Boys Canadian tour... On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, matt sewell wrote: > Admit it Stewart, you're just fleeing the malty flavour of Scotland! > Also, do they not have the dark winters over there? It's all fairly > Northerly, isn't it, apart from the bit that's South of Detroit? Do you know that book of Robertson Davies stories where he spends most of the winter trying to get his coal-fired heating system to work? Meanwhile, Canada gets colder and colder. Might be the same one where the ghost of Mackenzie King keeps turning up. > You'll have to have a UK feg gathering before you go! I'm in! - - Mike Godwin PS Stewart, what is a gasogene? It turned up in the intro to a collection of Sherlock Holmes stories. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:02:19 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Re: MP3 question On Fri, Dec 7, 2001, FS Thomas wrote: > > end snip> > > CoolEdit Pro allows this as well. Very snazzy. The > codec it uses is probably the best I've heard. The > downside? The higher quality settings take an age to > process... CoolEdit Pro is also really expensive. A friend of mine who does a lot of this stuff said that though lots of people swear by CoolEdit, it's is really slow, as you said. He really likes Soundforge. Though Soundforge is really expensive, I just saw that there is a smaller version, probably perfect for your needs: . $60 and you can edit MP3s. It's for Windows; not sure what you run. My little network at home is a Mac, PC, and a Sun, so I don't have to worry about such things. Best of all worlds. :) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:12:42 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: catching up with feg digests On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > When I finally get around to seeing it, I'll let you know! Don't expect the effects of matrix or the emotion of traffic for instance but as far as horror films go, it is a masterpiece. It has continuity problems and on occasion lapses illogically, but it is dreadfully entertaining. Time travel, portals, slave workers from re-animated dead people sent to work in some far away place at some far away time and of course the spherical brain sucker thing. I was watching a short on the making of this film about 10 years ago and I believe it was Coscarelli who said he was orignally going to use a small amount of foam chunks or cottage cheese in the silver sphere brain drill scenes but that was just a bit much for most audiences at that time. If you get a chance to see the film, think about that when you see the sphere doing it's stuff and what little white chunks would have looked like mixed in with the blood flow. I knew there was a Phantasm II but I have never seen it. Now I come to learn that there is actually four movies in the series so far and a fifth movie is expected. Maybe I'll breakdown and buy that 75 dollar Apex DVD player and watch the Phantasm series. It has a single tray but plays DVDs, Audio CD/CRD/CDRW and MP3 discs. Anyone familiar with this device? > > It is just as likely as anything else. > > I disagree. What makes any "when you are dead" theory more plausible than any other? There are no magicians because there is no magic. That is a fact. And since magic is just an illusion, literally, every heel on which magic rides is false. > I don't believe in souls, either, but if I did, I wouldn't expect them > to be human-shaped. I hope we turn into quasars and reel in our own excretement. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 08:33:38 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: catching up with feg digests At 06:00 PM 12/6/2001 -0800, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: >Also I always heard "you and I are higher than the law," which was pretty >interesting. That's exactly what I hear, and I ain't changing. >I don't believe in souls, either, but if I did, I wouldn't expect them >to be human-shaped. They come in seventeen different shapes and sixty-four flavors. Mine's shaped like a Honda Prelude and tastes like marionberries. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 11:33:37 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Re:ghosts In Kay's "we'd have to not be human to not be curious," I think I hear the romantic style of Belles Lettres more than any serious, literal judgement on folks who are disinterested. Plus maybe an attempt to defend those poor (obviously) silly folks who gossip about stars. Just letting Kay know what *I* hear. I mean, yes, it's the sort of stuff that shows up in supermarket tabloids, but I think it reflects a very basic human thing. Lots of ancient myths started about real people who lived just a couple of islands or mountains away. In our hyper-connected world there are complications. People will talk about O.J. or Bill & Monica or whatever without really knowing the facts. Often I think a lot of displacement of ideas is going on -- they really want to talk about somebody they think may be having an affair, or what their fantasies are of what they would do if their spouse had an affair but talking about a "mythic" figure is easier. But very confusing. When people start talking about personal situations they know little about, they throw wide open the doors to their own assumptions. I know very little about Eric Clapton, but I have this opinion that he's a bit macho & that his guitar playing started showing the influence of George as the late 60s, early 70s progressed. And Queen Elizabeth has always been a cipher to me. Does she really have veins? Ross Taylor "ask not for whom the bowler bowls, he bowls for thee" And a quote that has nothing to do w/ my post but sounds very list-friendly & Robynesque-- There can be no fairer ambition than to excel in talk; to be affable, gay, ready, clear and welcome ... Literature in many of its branches is no other than the shadow of good talk; but the imitation falls far short of the original in life, freedom, and effect ... Talk is fluid, tentative, continually "in further search and progress"; while written words remain fixed, become idols even to the writer, found wooden dogmatisms, and preserve flies of obvious error in the amber of the truth ... [talk] is, indeed, both the scene and instrument of friendship ... the gauge of relations and the sport of life ... true talk, that strikes out all the slumbering best of us ... is founded as deep as love in the constitution of our being, and is a thing to relish with all our energy, while yet we have it. - --Robert Louis Stevenson Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 08:35:51 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Plot > > > Take a break. Travel. Anti-depressants? Learn a new musical > > > instrument. > >Which musical instrument is really new anymore? Sigh. The Chapman Stick is still relatively "new." Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 08:51:43 -0800 From: "Paul Montagne" Subject: Question about DAT files and convertig to .wav/mp3 Hello fellow fegs. I have a technical question about converting DAT source audio files to CD. In particular, im interested in the PC tool that is used to break up one continuous sound file as downloaded from DAT, say, from a live show. I guess I envision the sofware is used to edit, crop, cut, paste, etc., into individual songs. Perhaps even add simple effects and EQ. I've used a few (Goldwave), and they all seem to be cumbersome. Is there an industry standard out there? Anything good in the shareware deparetment. I don't do this that often, and am hoping that I don't have to buy $1000 worth of software. Im looking for a quick and easy app. Paul montagne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 08:57:21 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: the other side At 06:15 PM 12/6/2001 -0800, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: >I don't understand why anyone would be curious as to how celebrities >react to the deaths of other celebrities. Surely the interesting part, >if any of it is interesting (and I personally don't think it is), is >how celebrities react to other celebrities, which surely doesn't change >much because of a shift in status from living to deceased. If I find anything about these interactions and reactions at all interesting (and the George-Patti-Eric triangle has only interested me in passing), it is not *because* the parties involved are or were celebrities, but merely because they're my fellow human beings. I don't think there is all that much unique about inter-celebrity relationships, nor do I see a reason to invent arbitrary distinctions, positive or negative, between celebrities and "regular joes." Celebrities are simply people about whom I acquire information through certain media. I wouldn't suggest that there is anything more, or less, special about them or their relationships that would make them better or worse to learn from or relate to. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:56:59 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Plot On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > >Which musical instrument is really new anymore? Sigh. > > The Chapman Stick is still relatively "new." The theremin and the stick are newest I can think of. But you'll have a hard time finding a theremin to play. I guess it could be considered the first synthesizer. Someone always seems to have some new sorta percussion instrument. After that you could say computer/midi as an instrument and the synthesizers with multi-track audio and midi sequencers built right in. And just previous to those things came the piano and six string guitar as we know them today. Also there are those dj/jam mix boxes with canned rythyms, progressions and tonal variations and its beam, dial, whirly wizzy effects or emotion control knobs and buttons. They are like low end sequencer synths without a keyboard, though you could always run into it an external midi controller. gSs ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #453 ********************************