From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #451 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, December 6 2001 Volume 10 : Number 451 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The Henry Rawlinson Coincidence ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: Minidisc to Mac [Jason Miller ] Re: us and them [Capuchin ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #450 [Johnathan Vail ] Re: There goes the son [Michael R Godwin ] Elixirs Update [strange little woj ] all apologies ["Natalie Jane" ] the ballad of george and eric ["ross taylor" ] meat, it's not just for fun anymore [gSs ] eno ["Walker, Charles" ] Bios (for Triton) (0% RH) [Mike Swedene ] Re: Bios (for Triton) (0% RH) [Ken Weingold ] George and Frank ["Redtailed Hawk" ] Re: all apologies ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: GH/green electricity [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: Barbara Manning [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: Beautiful queen [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: IT [Tom Clark ] Re: IT [Ken Weingold ] Re: all apologies [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: all apologies [Eb ] Re: Death & the marketplace [Aaron Mandel ] TMBG on WC ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: all apologies ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Northants - will be very nice when they've finished it... ["matt sewell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 08:58:13 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: The Henry Rawlinson Coincidence Michael R Godwin wrote: > > The dates are astonishing, however. and a genuine coincidence -- we publish the Stanshall biog, and the author researched this, and found it to be legit. Coo. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:26:45 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: another ill-tempered show review Natalie Jane wrote: > > Bill Doss (or "The Bill Doss" as he prefers to be known these days) He must've been chatting to Albanians. They use the "the " construct a lot. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 01:59:16 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: CRD: Beautiful Queen -- opinions? On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Fric Chaud wrote: > Beautiful Queen > Give me your mascara in your fuzz for us > You and I are miles above the laugh > Is if you had it all > Is if you had nobely > whispering "I'm Olive yes, butts off!" > Beautiful queen, etc > (NOW HERE'S THE PART I'M NOT SURE OF) Uh... I can't decide if you're joking or if it's your english. Oh, man. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:55:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Jason Miller Subject: RE: Minidisc to Mac Here's a site I bookmarked about 2 years ago in the "Someday it will be useful" category. That day has arrived. My life is complete. J a s o n S. M i l l e r ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:03:21 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: us and them On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, steve wrote: > Except that it all goes into the grid and you don't really know the > source of your electricity. But you *are* supporting the use of a > wind farm somewhere out in west Texas. I had this grand idea that all of the Natives out in Eastern Oregon should take that shitty land they were stuck holding after all the treaties were broken and the Great Bussing was finished and turn it into massive wind farms. Imagine the future the Natives holding all the keys to the power for America in the future. Fantastic. I hear the Cow Creek Reservation in southern Oregon is using its casino money to to build a power plant and get off the grid. Brilliant. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 06:53:18 -0500 From: Johnathan Vail Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #450 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:14:55 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: LotR link o' the day plus MORE Yes, yes, hop on your treadmill machine in order to power-up your replacement-for-walking machine. ;) Jason Better than driving your SUV to the gym to ride the LifeCycle. OBFEG: Still looking for audio of the Robyn/Sebadoh crossover from the Flaming Lips MABD tour, preferably the Boston show... jv <- A cluster of baboons that abuse themsleves with spoons. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 12:15:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: There goes the son On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, gSs wrote: > Ever wonder if someone who killed themselves or had themselves killed to > relieve the pain or sorrow ends up regretting it because the most hideous > conditions you can imagine or be a part of in this life are nowhere > near the suffering and dispair that is to come? Wouldn't that be the shit of > all shits, at least until we get there and while we could relish even our > most dreadful memories from this world we would always remember our big > mistake. Sisy, I have this big rock here which really needs to be pushed up to the top of this hill. I'd be so grateful if you'd ... thanks very much. ... ... Oh dear, it seems to have rolled down to the bottom again. Would you mind awfully if I asked you to heave it up to the top again? ... ... Oh dear, better luck next time. etc etc - - MRG Irrelevant PS: Channel 4 is showing 'The wrong arm of the law' tomorrow. Great! Peter Sellers plays a French dress designer who is really an East End gangster. And it's in black and white! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:16:44 -0500 From: strange little woj Subject: Elixirs Update here's the latest news on "elixirs & remedies", the grant lee hitchcock concert film, straight from the horse's mouth: >Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 01:58:53 -0800 >Subject: Elixirs Update >From: "kris.kristensen@scotopiapictures.com" >To: > >Hey, > >Rounder is still considering distribution. If that's the case, they're >talking about 2nd quarter 2002. > >The film has been submitted to 4 festivals in the U.S.: > >SLAMDANCE (where our short film WHITE FACE won the 2001 audience award) - >Film roster to be announced on Dec. 12 >DIGIDANCE >TAOS TALKING PICTURE FESTIVAL >SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST > >Kris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 08:54:38 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: all apologies >It's really sad the way people feel like they have to apologize for >posting musical content, nowadays. I was actually apologizing for E6 content. Whenever I post about E6-related stuff, I can hear a faint crackling sound as Susan and Drew's eyes glaze over. :) I've been thinking lately of assembling the various concert reviews I've posted to the list and publishing them as a zine. I don't know whether anyone who doesn't know me personally would be interested in them, though. n. (gosh, that was a convoluted sentence) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 12:07:23 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: the ballad of george and eric >From: Glen Uber >On 12/3/01 11:25 PM, "Russ Reynolds" > wrote: >> PS: Has anyone seen reaction on George's death from Eric Clapton? I would >> think the relationship those two had would make for a great made-for-TV >> movie. >You could get real creative with casting in >this, for sure. I don't know who >would play the principals, but my vote for the >part of Patti goes to either >Kirsten Dunst or that hottie from the Orbit >Mints commercial. I don't think I posted my Clapton dream here, but one of the perks of getting old is that you can start repeating yourself. Two or three weeks ago I dreamed I was at a small party and Clapton was lying on the floor dying. A woman said "he's already started breathing backwards, it can't be fixed." The next morning I saw the picture in the W. Post of George w/ the caption saying yes, he had brain cancer & also had a new record coming out. Well, I'd known he was sick, but this was the last current photo I saw of him. [Twilight Zone theme]. (THe closest I get to mysticism is my superstitions.) On a psychological level I decided that I saw them as closely paired & was wishing that Eric would die instead. Perhaps I'd converted them into mother & father figures & was giving Eric the Oedipal-father treatment. Who knows. - --- Me, I'm holding out for a motor-powered pogo stick. Really, I think they should revoke the "turn right on red after stop" law, at least in DC. With all our angled streets, the right-on- red-after-nothing behavior means there is *never* a time for pedestrians. Ross Taylor np - 461 Ocean Boulevard or would be if they let me play music here Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:17:37 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: meat, it's not just for fun anymore On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > Personally, I doubt that there will be any "suffering" in "the next world" > of any sort that we would comprehend. What about the hell as displayed in the movie Phantasm? Those little shits did not look real happy. And while it was just a movie, so was the last temptation. It is just as likely as anything else. You know, if we could figure that out maybe we wouldn't need the gm power babies. We would use people after they die. It could be similar to organ donation, sorta. Eco-minded, renewable and maybe even cleaner burning. > I've never encountered a concept of hell that transcended > anthropocentrism, but I admit I could be better educated about > the diversity of religious belief. Is that the contemporary or traditional understanding of hell? The Phantasm concept is completely removed from the anthropocentrism theory as far as we are the shit when compared to anything else. But anthropocentrism can also be used to describe the only way we have to relate anything to anything else. So it could mean of this world because I have yet to meet a Vulcan or anything else unearthly or there are no fucking Vulcans and I've got everything riding on the foundation trilogy idea, for instance. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:58:06 -0800 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: eno Yes, yes, hop on your treadmill machine in order to power-up your replacement-for-walking machine. ;) chas in LA replies: brian eno wrote something in his diaries about putting a memory card in exercize machines and the more you exercize then part of your gym fee would be donated to charity, or they could be used to power houses for the homeless. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:34:41 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Bios (for Triton) (0% RH) My PeeCee friend "lost" a bunch of stuff off of his hard drive. he had to reformat everything and it is still not working right. he needs the ORIGINAL bios for a 586 Triton 117604413 motherboard, I guess it was originally made by Award Bios who was later bought out by Phoenix Bios. Any and all help is greatly appreciated! Herbie np-> Matthew Sweet "Girlfriend" . ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:48:56 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Bios (for Triton) (0% RH) On Wed, Dec 5, 2001, Mike Swedene wrote: > My PeeCee friend "lost" a bunch of stuff off of his > hard drive. he had to reformat everything and it is > still not working right. he needs the ORIGINAL bios > for a 586 Triton 117604413 motherboard, I guess it was > originally made by Award Bios who was later bought out > by Phoenix Bios. Any and all help is greatly > appreciated! Did he buy the actual motherboard or did it come in a system? If it came in a system, I would recommend getting it from the OEM. BIOSes are often customized for them, and you could really screw up your system flashing it with a BIOS not meant for it. If it is a Sony system, GFL. ;-) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 19:40:30 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: George and Frank Meaning has to be shared to be real. Mark Kingwell Gloster on Harrison and Sinatra: >I kind of think that heaven for one might be hell for the other. Ahh---I like the way you think. Its rather hard to classify people as "evil" or "good", especially people you don't even know. But I agree, I don't see their spirits(for whatever that does or dosnt mean) gravitating in the same direction. Unlike you I honestly enjoy some of Sinatra's music, especially when he was teamed up with Nelson Riddler. That stuff will swing you to the stars and back, I mean its -great- dancing music, --but I give Riddler alot of the credit. The last thing Sinatra did that I like to listen to is the Jobin album. >Over my life I grew able >to appreciate George, as he and Ringo were perfect for their >roles. Again beautifully said. Frankly, imagine a band with 4 John Lennons in it. Eek! Harrison's spiritual concerns always looked heart-felt to me. No grand-standing. And he did alot of palatable good for someone who didnt grand-stand. 1)For all the flim-flam of the Marahrishi--it was the Beatles, and George at the lead here, who on a popular level, reintoduced to the West the idea of meditation. 2)He financed(probobly knowing he might just as well use pound notes for toilet paper)a whole lot of movies which I, and most of us Fegs, are very happy got made. 3) He made some truelly wonderful music. And Im leaving out what many would place at #4-- organizing the first big rock fund-raiser. While its intentions were excellent when you look at some of what its spawned ... well,(IMNHO) it was a mixed blessing. - --------------------------------------------- Im partially writing this to cheer myself up. For some reason sincerely praising another tends to do that. Any other Namo's feeling a letdown? I feel scared and hopeless and overwhelmed. It may be the cold Ive got--it may be that breaking old patterns will almost drive you into the wall till they drive you up and over it to the other side. Does anyone have any advice about breaking seemingly hopelessly-embedded patterns? Aside from the bloody obvious(i.e., getting drunk or stoned;-). Kay Meaning has to be shared to be real. Mark Kingwell _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 11:56:46 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: all apologies At 08:54 AM 12/5/2001 -0800, Natalie Jane wrote: >>It's really sad the way people feel like they have to apologize for >>posting musical content, nowadays. > >I was actually apologizing for E6 content. Hey! Elephant 6 stuff *IS* musical. Well, except maybe for the Music Tapes. And, let me be the first to wish a Happy Birthday to the King of Thailand. Jason, who supports an internet debating rule stating that anyone using the term "politically correct" or "PC" automatically loses the argument ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:17:00 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: GH/green electricity >Verse: same two chords, mostly, then into "I really want to see you Lord" >on D-Bm, and (here's where it varies from HSF) some sort of diminished >chord on "but it takes so long." > >The other difference is in the bridge/modulation (I think) where that D >goes to a B *major* (I think) by way of D7, effecting a modulation to E, >another diminished chord, and restating the initial progression in >F#m(7)-B. > >Both those diminished chords and the modulation aren't in "He's So Fine." >Okay, nearly the entire rest of the song is. exactly what I hear. and it's Ddim7 (xx0101) the standard bridge and Edim7 (xx2323) in the modulation. > > And then there's that screamingly obnoxious piano note at the top of the > > most prominent chord in "I Want to Tell You"... we've also got to give him credit for the biggest anticlimax in rock music - - that wailing distorted guitar leading into the tinny hammond organ. >One more on the IT/battery thing. what i'd like to see is a relatively >inexpensive, super-reusable rechargable you could plug into your cigarette >lighter in your car when you take long trips, then hook up to your Segway >or whatever, for short trips. maybe a windmill in your fireplace >chimney, or spinners in your water main OR- maybe even excercise machines >of the future will feature a way to juice up batteries. Carpets with fibres of the same material as solar cells. Think of the areas of a house where sun falls on the carpet and is only used by a cat suffering heliolepsy (don't they all?). James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:17:03 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: Barbara Manning >Hey, guess that makes 3 of us! 8-) Another connection could be David >Kilgour...didn't he have something to do with the Hitchcock/Yo La Tengo shows? >He is on her In New Zealand album and she's always been a big kiwipop >supporter. Can't be ruled out I guess... She covers a song on the "God save the Clean" tribute album, too ("Whatever I do it's right/wrong"). But David's not on this list unless he's being very sneaky. He knows me well enough and I'm loud enough on this list that he'd recognise me as a feg. Although I wouldn't call myself a fan, I do have and enjoy Barbara's 1-212 album. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:17:07 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: Beautiful queen >> D G Bm A C Em >> I'm not afraid to be the only person on the planet >> D G Bm A C >> Em A >> I'm not afraid to be the the only person in the world with you >> >> === >> I don't think it's quite right. Do you have any suggestions? > >Try this: > >D A/C# Bm F#m C (maj7?) G Em > I'm not afraid to be the only person on the planet I hear D D/C# D/B D/A C G Em D D/C# D/B D/A C E and I'd never noticed how much the intro sounds like a slowed-down version of the intro from the Muttonbirds' "Your window". Bibi? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 14:41:53 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: IT on 12/4/01 3:40 PM, Walker, Charles at CWalker@roll.com wrote: > boy i'm gonna miss walking. I already do. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:43:56 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: IT On Tue, Dec 4, 2001, Walker, Charles wrote: > boy i'm gonna miss walking. Not if you get THIS bad boy... . - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:22:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: all apologies "Jason R. Thornton" wrote: > > Jason, who supports an internet debating rule stating that anyone > using the term "politically correct" or "PC" automatically loses > the argument not bad, as long as politcally incorrect is also included... ===== "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:37:04 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: all apologies >"Jason R. Thornton" wrote: >> >> Jason, who supports an internet debating rule stating that anyone >> using the term "politically correct" or "PC" automatically loses >> the argument > >not bad, as long as politcally incorrect is also included... One of my primary warning flags: "Don't get me wrong." This phrase seems to be almost the exclusive domain of mealy-mouthed lightweights. I usually switch from "read" to "skim" mode whenever I hit this. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:23:06 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Death & the marketplace On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, Eb wrote: > Anyone like the Microphones? Amazon picks this as "Indie" album of the > year, and the clips sounded pretty good to me. A bit surprised I > haven't heard them before, though the name is familiar at least. I don't think I bothered to play the most recent one, so maybe they got good, but the two Microphones albums I heard were pointless noise fiddling. No songs underneath the lo-fi monkey business. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 20:50:39 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: TMBG on WC Please Jack Parr don't cry, I mean the World Cafe. They Might Be Giants are going to be on The World Cafe tomorrow. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 08:30:29 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: all apologies "Jason R. Thornton" wrote: > > Elephant 6 stuff *IS* musical. Well, except maybe for the Music Tapes. hey, they rock. You must just be rocking on the wrong frequency. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:12:58 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Northants - will be very nice when they've finished it... Well, last night's show at the Roadmenders was one of the best so far... the place itself was salubrious enough, with a vibe of school disco about it. Though it's a small club (capacity can't be much more than 100), it was by no means packed out last night... 30 odd people including my gig companion (we'll call her Grasspeare), the wonderful Jim Davies (who kindly drove us) and the fabulous Tony Blackman (whose recording may have gone horribly wrong). The support band wore glasses and sported guitars (such a cliche!). That's pretty much all I can say about them without sounding uncharitable... the music seemed happy enough to float around in the background nobody seemed to mind too much. Time passed. Kimberley popped up and started tuning guitars (Anyone who's seen me play will tell you I could do with this service) and before long the Soft Boys were on stage. Robyn introduced the gig as being largely new songs that they wanted to try out, but promised familiar material also (they started with QOE... nice to get that one out of the way early). Sadly, I wasn't keeping score, so who knows how many songs were played, or indeed, what they were... unhelpful I know, but among the new songs were Japanese Captain, Om (dedicated to George), Cheritaine (sp?) and a few others the memory of which escapes me for now - perhaps Tony or Jim remember more? All in all, from the strength of the new material (including the old new material - Pulse Of My Heart, Mind Is Connected et al), the new album will be blinding... I just can't wait for next Wednesday - all ye UK fegs should really make the effort - from what I hear, best to get them while they're hot! Cheers Matt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #451 ********************************