From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #450 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, December 5 2001 Volume 10 : Number 450 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: IINS [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] LotR link o' the day plus MORE [bayard ] Re: There goes the sun [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Happy B'Day Kimberley [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: LotR link o' the day plus MORE ["Jason R. Thornton" ] another ill-tempered show review ["Natalie Jane" ] retort ["Walker, Charles" ] Name that rif ["Cynthia Peterson" ] you can't denigrate the pears, man ["Walker, Charles" ] IT ["Walker, Charles" ] RE: Manning Mention ["madcowan" ] IT II ["Walker, Charles" ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V10 #448 ["Walker, Charles" ] matador news update [strange little woj ] Re: There goes the sun [Glen Uber ] Re: you can't denigrate the pears, man ["Fric Chaud" ] CRD: Beautiful Queen -- opinions? ["Fric Chaud" ] Re: IINS (now with actual new typing!!) [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: CRD: Beautiful Queen -- opinions? [Glen Uber ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #449 [Mark Gloster ] Re: us and them [steve ] Re: GH [steve ] gimme the meat ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:52:14 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: IINS On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Michael R Godwin wrote: > On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Maximilian Lang wrote: > (If I needed someone) > > It uses the same riff as the Byrd's version of Bells Of Rhymney(and Robyn's > > for that matter). I am uncertain who used the riff first though. They both > > came out in 1965 and I am unsure of who had the prior release date, though I > > do know Rubber Soul was released in early December. As Harrison says (somewhere), if you fiddle around with a standard D chord, you're going to run into that riff or something very like it. I don't think anyone "wrote" it - credit whoever came up with standard guitar tuning ;) > > PS But IINS isn't an out and out lift like MSL. And what's this chorus on > MSL that isn't on 'He's so fine'? There might be one E7 chord which isn't > in the Chiffons song, but otherwise it is i-sodding-dentical (apart from > the words, that is). Okay, I'm away from an instrument, so I'm guessing, but I think the part of MSL I'm thinking of goes a-somethin' like this. I'm pretending the song begins in Em (I have no idea - it feels about right vocally). So, intro: Em(7)-A Verse: same two chords, mostly, then into "I really want to see you Lord" on D-Bm, and (here's where it varies from HSF) some sort of diminished chord on "but it takes so long." The other difference is in the bridge/modulation (I think) where that D goes to a B *major* (I think) by way of D7, effecting a modulation to E, another diminished chord, and restating the initial progression in F#m(7)-B. Both those diminished chords and the modulation aren't in "He's So Fine." Okay, nearly the entire rest of the song is. It's entirely possible that my ears have turned to water and all of the above is garbage - I'll check when I get home. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Drive ten thousand miles across America and you will know more about ::the country than all the institutes of sociology and political science ::put together. __Jean Baudrillard__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:05:22 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: LotR link o' the day plus MORE http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/eo/20011203/en/tolkiens_ring_in_family_feud_1.html One more on the IT/battery thing. what i'd like to see is a relatively inexpensive, super-reusable rechargable you could plug into your cigarette lighter in your car when you take long trips, then hook up to your Segway or whatever, for short trips. maybe a windmill in your fireplace chimney, or spinners in your water main OR- maybe even excercise machines of the future will feature a way to juice up batteries. save power while you get fit! last word on segway: http://www.satirewire.com/news/0112/sht2.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:05:23 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: There goes the sun On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Glen Uber wrote: > On 12/4/01 12:24 PM, "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" wrote: > > > And then there's that screamingly obnoxious piano note at the top of the > > most prominent chord in "I Want to Tell You"... > > That's nothing more than a 3rd, 5th, 7th, and played simultaneously while an > alternating root is played on every other eighth note. In other words, it's > sounds like a diminished chord (G#-B-D), but when the alternating bass note > (E) is thrown in there, it becomes an E7. I should have been clearer: I'm talking about the second part of the verse where GH sings "I don't mind..." and the piano pounds an F natural while everyone else plays an E7. "Screamingly obnoxious" is good in this context, btw... - -j ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:10:43 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: Happy B'Day Kimberley >Mr Rew strolls a single to notch up 50 years as one of the most distinctive >guitarists on the planet and a damn natty songwriter to boot. The cricket >analogy is, I feel, particularly appropriate as Robyn once said of him that >- - 'He could sustain from a cricket bat...' bloody cricket. Bloody umpires. Bah. One clear out not given could be a mistake, but three? To quote (who was it, Brian Clough?) "I make it a rule never to comment on the match officials - and I'm not going to break it for a prat like that!" James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:14:55 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: LotR link o' the day plus MORE At 02:05 PM 12/4/2001 -0800, bayard wrote: >One more on the IT/battery thing. what i'd like to see is a relatively >inexpensive, super-reusable rechargable you could plug into your cigarette >lighter in your car when you take long trips, then hook up to your Segway >or whatever, for short trips. maybe a windmill in your fireplace >chimney, or spinners in your water main OR- maybe even excercise machines >of the future will feature a way to juice up batteries. save power while >you get fit! Yes, yes, hop on your treadmill machine in order to power-up your replacement-for-walking machine. ;) Jason np: Smashing Pumpkins, "Judas 0" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 17:40:05 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: There goes the sun >From: Eric Loehr >>I'm a little confused about what you're saying -- I could be mistaken, but >it looks like you're saying that the JT and GH songs are one and the same, >which is not true. I read somewhere that GH's Something was originally >called Something In The Way She Moves, but was shortened since JT's had >just come out. > >Sinatra did record GH's Something, although I believe he always referred to >it as a Lennon-McCartney song. Perhaps George is setting him straight as we >speak. > >Eric You're right, my wife gave me 40 lashings with a wet noodle for getitng that wrong. I remembered they were related somehow, in name only. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:48:43 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: another ill-tempered show review I went to see the Sunshine Fix and Call & Response last night, at the Blackbird, a venue which is 13 cold, windy, rainy blocks from my apartment, and which is decorated entirely in black and red. I found this somewhat oppressive. My pal Ross and his band opened up, followed by Urban Legends, fronted by Hutch "Is that his real name?" Harris, who looks like Steve Malkmus and sings in the high nasal tones of Scott Spillane. I thought the Sunshine Fix were going to go on next - thus enabling me to go home early, since I had no interest in seeing Call & Response - but oh, how wrong I was. Call & Response were totally bland and dull, limply churning out ultra-lite, frothy 70's pop and the whitest funk I've ever heard. I spent most of their set trying to figure out whether their bassist was a woman or a M-to-F transexual. S/he had no visible adam's apple, so I decided she was a woman. Bill Doss (or "The Bill Doss" as he prefers to be known these days), former pop-meister of the Olivia Tremor Control and current Sunshine Fix personage, was sitting all alone at the merch table, looking very cute and stylish in a brown leather jacket and black cowboy shirt. After some nudging from my friend Wendy, I went and offered him a tinfoil squid. He remembered me from Chicago but was unable to recall Thoth's name, referring to the sculpture as "that thing with the big head" while making vague "walking" motions with his fingers. He still has the Thoth, though. He gave me a Sunshine Fix pin - I think; the logo was indecipherable. "You can read that, right?" he asked anxiously. "Oh, yeah," I lied. I gave him a Hershey's Kiss but he decided to save it for later so it wouldn't gum up his vocal cords. So "the" Bill's backing band consisted of a chubby, mop-topped drummer (one of the co-owners of Kindercore, I believe), a burly, bearded guitarist, a very short and nimble 40-something bassist, and a guitarist d00d with big poodle hair who looked sort of like Ronnie James Dio. The music was equally eclectic, switching from glam to pop to metal to psychedelia; I found it kind of hard to get into - one song might be brilliant while the next was a tedious jam. It was still nice to hear "the" Bill's great voice, though - I decided that he is one of the best singers in the E6 collective (along with Jeff Mangum and Martyn Leaper). Good thing he didn't eat that chocolate. In the background, psychedelic patterns whirled around footage of outer space. The band was just launching into the one song of theirs that I know, off the Kindercore Fifty compilation, when Wendy offered me a ride home. It was 1:30am by this time, so I deemed it prudent to accept her offer, alas. Now only if the Circulatory System (the other half of OTC) would play here, it would almost be like getting to see OTC again! Well, not really. n. p.s. If anyone besides Viv, Stewart, or Jason made it to the end of this post, congratulations and my sympathies. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:57:52 US/Eastern From: hydra@voicenet.com Subject: Eldritch Legos!!! (100% Lovecraft) They're actually kinda cute... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1672995342 - --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Voicenet WebMail. http://www.voicenet.com/webmail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:08:51 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: another ill-tempered show review >So "the" Bill's backing band consisted of a chubby, mop-topped >drummer (one of the co-owners of Kindercore, I believe), a burly, >bearded guitarist, a very short and nimble 40-something bassist, and >a guitarist d00d with big poodle hair who looked sort of like Ronnie >James Dio. The music was equally eclectic, switching from glam to >pop to metal to psychedelia; I found it kind of hard to get into - >one song might be brilliant while the next was a tedious jam. Hm. Call & Response and the Sunshine Fix played here on the 29th, and I skipped it. Judging from your comments, I don't regret too much that I didn't go. >p.s. If anyone besides Viv, Stewart, or Jason made it to the end of >this post, congratulations and my sympathies. It's really sad the way people feel like they have to apologize for posting musical content, nowadays. Eb np: Jon Auer singing the Kinks' "Fancy" (love this...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:06:07 -0800 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: retort Now we are just left > with Ringo's alcoholism and Paul's O-Bla-Di-O-Bla-Da - ness of things, his > rosy posy children's songs. The above is tantamount to saying "It's too bad Paul didn't die instead" (the 1966 car crash notwithstanding). chas in LA replies: that is hardly the case dude, i NEVER said or implied any such thing. the fact that i dont care at all for paul mccartney's solo music in NO way implies that i wish him ill and it is presumptuous of YOU to think so. i dont feel superior, i was just sharing how i felt. and i dont have a tv so i heard the mccartney clip on the radio and frankly, like nixon beating jfk in the debate that people heard on the radio and didnt watch on tv, it DID sound like he was listing off 'all the right things to say.' sorry to reply so late to this post but i have been away from it all for a few days. "I hope when I'm in a moment of grief that I don't have to have a bunch of strangers like yourself passing judgment on whether I'm acting the way I should about it in public.' when you sell a hundred billion albums i'll comment about you publicly...and not a moment sooner chas http://www.theweeklywalker.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:05:39 -0800 From: "Cynthia Peterson" Subject: Name that rif Sorry if this has been sent out already and I totally missed it. (RH content sometimes gets lost in the mix.) Could Mr. Todd be a listmember? http://www.oddtodd.com/ Cynthia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:21:37 -0800 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: you can't denigrate the pears, man "i wasn't trying to bash Paul or Ringo, just re-emphasize that John and George were the sources of the notorious beatles wit" chas in LA replies: i have noticed an interesting thing both here on the list and elsewhere. when someone praises one thing, like george and john, others seem to imply that it is a bashing of the other - paul and ringo. that strikes me as very PC. if you say that you like green apples people will rise up and say, 'yeah but what aboout 'dem red apples, you fruitist.' and another wee voice will ring out from afar 'yeah you bastard, and what about pears you can't denigrate the pears man!' or some other such nonsense. i have never understood why people feel that asserting a positive implies the existence of an obvious [and sometimes not too obvious] negative. i find it troubling that no one can make a statement without instantly having people saying things that really arent pertinent to what was being stated in the first place. to say that i like yellow does not leave out the worth of red and blue. actualy i prefer red. just a thought ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:40:48 -0800 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: IT boy i'm gonna miss walking. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:44:14 -0500 From: "madcowan" Subject: RE: Manning Mention >that's pretty odd -- but it's cool to find another Barbara fan amongst the >feglist subscribers Hey, guess that makes 3 of us! 8-) Another connection could be David Kilgour...didn't he have something to do with the Hitchcock/Yo La Tengo shows? He is on her In New Zealand album and she's always been a big kiwipop supporter. Can't be ruled out I guess... Cheers, Roberta ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:44:29 -0800 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: IT II i've never had my legs stolen....one more thing to lock up i guess, this IT thing-y. good for disabled, elderly, and the lazy. not that they are all the same thing mind you.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:56:28 -0800 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V10 #448 >Wasn't "Something In The Way She Moves" the title of a Sinatra song? >Thought I read that somewhere. chas in LA replies; sinatra covered the tune. he stated that it was the best love song ever written. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:15:40 -0500 From: strange little woj Subject: matador news update >Date: 4 Dec 2001 23:30:03 -0000 >To: matthew@matadorrecords.com >From: mailing-list@matadorrecords.com >Reply-To: matthew@matadorrecords.com >Subject: Matador News Update for 4 December 2001 > >Matador News Update for 4 December 2001 >http://www.matadorrecords.com/news > > > [...] > >The Soft Boys > >The word from Robyn Hitchcock: "I've just completed my first ever >acting job, a cameo role as a seedy rock grand-dad in the TV movie >version of 'Man & Boy,' due to be screened on BBC 1 at Easter; I am >also interviewed for the BBC 2 Omnibus special about Syd Barrett that >was shown last week; I am doing the music for a Radio 4 play 'The >Condition Of The Virgin' by Boothby Graffoe; >I have almost completed my novel 'The Unbaby'; and the Soft Boys are 2/ >3rds of the way through The Apple Project. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 16:40:17 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: There goes the sun On 12/3/01 11:25 PM, "Russ Reynolds" wrote: > PS: Has anyone seen reaction on George's death from Eric Clapton? I would > think the relationship those two had would make for a great made-for-TV > movie. You could get real creative with casting in this, for sure. I don't know who would play the principals, but my vote for the part of Patti goes to either Kirsten Dunst or that hottie from the Orbit Mints commercial. - -- Cheers! - -g- Goodbye, George... "When you've seen beyond yourself then you may find peace of mind is waiting there And the time will come when you see we're all one And life flows on within you and without you." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:56:09 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: you can't denigrate the pears, man On 4 Dec 2001, at 15:21, Walker, Charles wrote: > i > have noticed an interesting thing both here on the list and elsewhere. > when someone praises one thing, like george and john, others seem to > imply that it is a bashing of the other - paul and ringo. that strikes > me as very PC. Sure sounds Mac to me. - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:12:52 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: There goes the sun On 4 Dec 2001, at 16:05, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: Jeffrey said: > I should have been clearer: I'm talking about the second part of the > verse where GH sings "I don't mind..." and the piano pounds an F > natural while everyone else plays an E7. There you guys go putting down guitars again.... - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:46:28 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: CRD: Beautiful Queen -- opinions? I see you people are chord-counters, so here is a song I have been trying to work out. It's a Robyn song, so this is the on-topic posting I have promised for so long. I have nailed the verse, but the bridge is a bit of a mystery to me. - --- A7: 002020 A7sus4: 002030 Beautiful Queen A7 A7sus4 A7 A7sus4 (over and over and over again) Give me your mascara in your fuzz for us You and I are miles above the laugh Is if you had it all Is if you had nobely whispering "I'm Olive yes, butts off!" Beautiful queen, etc (NOW HERE'S THE PART I'M NOT SURE OF) D G Bm A C Em I'm not afraid to be the only person on the planet D G Bm A C Em A I'm not afraid to be the the only person in the world with you === I don't think it's quite right. Do you have any suggestions? - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:23:33 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: IINS Michael R Godwin wrote: > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > N&P was written by Sonny Bono and Jack Nitzche. > > Thanks, Jeff. According to the Searchers official pages, it was a UK > hit in Jan 1964. But when did Bono and Nitzche write it? Was there a > US version which the Searchers covered? That was often the way the the > UK industry worked in those days (still does, come to think of it, with > a UK > cover of 'Eternal Flame' topping the charts recently). > > I know Sonny Bono had an interesting career working with Spector and > others, but I hadn't realised that he was writing hit songs as early > as > (presumably) 1963. I guess that Sonny wrote the words and Jack wrote > the > music, so maybe Jack Nitzche is the originator of that riff, and > Jackie de > Shannon, Jim 'Roger' McGuinn, George Harrison et al nicked it from > him. > Can anyone trace this riff back any earlier? F'rinstance, does Woody > Guthrie use it? Or very early Dylan? > > - Mike Godwin ===== "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:25:35 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: IINS (now with actual new typing!!) once more, with the actual content and without my finger spasming into the tab button.... Michael R Godwin wrote: > On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > N&P was written by Sonny Bono and Jack Nitzche. > > Thanks, Jeff. According to the Searchers official pages, it was a UK > hit in Jan 1964. But when did Bono and Nitzche write it? Was there a > US version which the Searchers covered? That was often the way the the > UK industry worked in those days (still does, come to think of it, > with a UK cover of 'Eternal Flame' topping the charts recently). according to the book that came with the Ramones Anthology a couple years back, it was originally recorded in 1963 by.... Jackie deShannon!!! > I know Sonny Bono had an interesting career working with Spector and > others, but I hadn't realised that he was writing hit songs as early > as > (presumably) 1963. I guess that Sonny wrote the words and Jack wrote > the > music, so maybe Jack Nitzche is the originator of that riff, and > Jackie de > Shannon, Jim 'Roger' McGuinn, George Harrison et al nicked it from > him. > Can anyone trace this riff back any earlier? F'rinstance, does Woody > Guthrie use it? Or very early Dylan? > > - Mike Godwin ===== "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:48:12 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: CRD: Beautiful Queen -- opinions? On Tuesday, December 4, 2001, at 07:46 PM, Fric Chaud wrote: > D G Bm A C Em > I'm not afraid to be the only person on the planet > D G Bm A C > Em A > I'm not afraid to be the the only person in the world with you > > === > I don't think it's quite right. Do you have any suggestions? Try this: D A/C# Bm F#m C (maj7?) G Em I'm not afraid to be the only person on the planet D A/C# Bm F#m C G E I'm not afraid to be the the only person in the world with you Cheers! - -g- Goodbye, George... "When you've seen beyond yourself then you may find peace of mind is waiting there And the time will come when you see we're all one And life flows on within you and without you." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 21:39:18 -0800 From: Mark Gloster Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #449 > I'm not sure if there is an afterlife, but if there is, I have a hard time > believing that George and Frank are in the same place. I kind of think that heaven for one might be hell for the other. Color me unwilling to say nice things about people for the sake of their circulatory and synaptical status- especially upon the change in their status. I always feel like there is some superstition about the taboo of speaking of the dead in negative ways. Over my life I grew able to appreciate George, as he and Ringo were perfect for their roles. Not everybody can make others shine brightly with such aplomb. He always seemed like a human being to me, even his extra curricular persuits appeared as a passionate search to be better, rather than as a platform to preach from or to call attention to himself. I have searched my inventory for kind words to say about ol blue eyes. He couldn't carry a tune. Had the worst rhythm of any singer I can think of. He seemed evil to the core. Oh, he gave a lot of money to charities "anonymously" (and let everybody know that he was the one doing it.) I know, I said similar things about Elvis and pissed some people off. It's just another opinion. Happies, - -markg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 00:03:59 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: us and them >> What percentage of your electricity comes from renewable sources? On Tuesday, December 4, 2001, at 08:25 AM, gSs wrote: > All of it now. I signed up with Green Mountain Energy in March or April > but I just started getting information from them last month. So this > should be the first month through which I will have been running 100% > renewable. It tastes a little different. Except that it all goes into the grid and you don't really know the source of your electricity. But you *are* supporting the use of a wind farm somewhere out in west Texas. - - Steve __________ Our previous president studied at Oxford. This one was given a sightseeing tour of London and said it was ''diverse and clean.'' The Times also said Bush gave a ''pep talk'' to children about the advantages of reading over television. The children did not ask him to name the last book he had read. Just good manners, I guess. - Roger Ebert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 00:09:39 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: GH On Saturday, December 1, 2001, at 01:12 AM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > as for Paul's comments feeling a bit more perfunctory than emotional, > that's a bit fair, but i think that's more a function of Paul having > already lost both his mother and wife to cancer than any rift between > the two. no matter how fond you are of the guy, losing a childhood > friend/erstwhile lead guitarist is not going to compare. Someone posted a couple of articles over on the Audities list. The short version - Paul and Ringo went to see George and had a long visit not long before he died. And George was secretly working on a new album which, I think, will still be released. - - Steve __________ President Bush met privately with top officials from the Salvation Army in May to discuss his "faith-based" initiative while the White House was reviewing a request from the charity for a regulation protecting it from local workplace nondiscrimination laws based on sexual orientation. - Dana Milbank, Washington Post ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 00:34:42 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: gimme the meat > From: gSs > > What I meant there was not to isolate suicide as the big mistake that > would be forever regretted because you would then go somewhere much worse, > but that nothing you do or experience here at any level can be a worthy > preparation for the suffering that will follow. Suicide, assisted or not > was just an example. Personally, I doubt that there will be any "suffering" in "the next world" of any sort that we would comprehend. But that's because I don't believe that consciousness survives death, or indeed that "life" by any human definition survives death. I've never encountered a concept of hell that transcended anthropocentrism, but I admit I could be better educated about the diversity of religious belief. Speaking of Flesh, I'm thinking I got my money's worth with these two tribute albums. Most of the time at least half of a tribute album is not only awful but unlistenable. I could count the number of tracks I'll skip on future Glass Flesh listens on one hand (that's for both albums combined). I'll make some more specific comments later on when I have more time, but for now I'll just say that I'm really impressed with FegTalent. I want to know now which Fegs recorded under names I might not recognize. My least favorite tracks on Glass Flesh 2 seem to be by artists who are already on prominent indie labels, actually; the Fegs blow them away. I rarely even thought about whether the cover was as good as the original; even the more faithful covers tended to feel very individual. I love reinterpretation, so I gravitated toward the more unusual arrangements, but one of my favorite tracks was pretty straightforward, just very very beautiful. Glass Flesh 2 is easily as good as the first; if I don't say "better" it's only because I liked the first so much. The packaging of the second one is certainly more interesting (lower on plastic, higher on paper, and some illuminating liner notes). Great stuff. Makes me want to get recording myself. :) Drew - -- http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ "You're living in a global shopping mall, and you're the only person who still thinks there's a bloody exit." - Edina Monsoon ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #450 ********************************