From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #449 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, December 4 2001 Volume 10 : Number 449 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Surprised you guys aren't talking about "IT" [Michael R Godwin ] Happy B'Day Kimberley ["jbranscombe@compuserve.com" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #448 ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: There goes the sun ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: There goes the sun [Eric Loehr ] Fegway ["Redtailed Hawk" ] Re: us and them [gSs ] SB Show Trade ["Mike Wells" ] USB 2 CDR ? ["Scott McCleary" ] Re: power babies [gSs ] Re: us and them [Sebastian Hagedorn ] The Henry Rawlinson Coincidence ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: Manning Mention ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Re: IINS [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: IINS [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Searchers GH tribute [Michael R Godwin ] Re: There goes the sun [Glen Uber ] Re: There goes the son [gSs ] Re: There goes the son [Glen Uber ] Re: There goes the sun [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: There goes the son [gSs ] Re: There goes the sun [Glen Uber ] Re: There goes the son [gSs ] Re: power babies [Glen Uber ] Re: There goes the sun [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:54:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Surprised you guys aren't talking about "IT" On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > It really reminds me of the Sinclair C5 -- > http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/sinclair/vehicles/c5.htm -- which was launched in > the UK in 1985 to similar media hoopla. When the machine got out into > the public, it was shown up to be a total disaster. The UK EV industry > is still recovering. So much so that I was amazed at Citroen calling their new car a C5. I bet it sells significantly worse in the UK than in other countries. They should have called it a Dyane or something. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 10:12:11 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Surprised you guys aren't talking about "IT" > So much so that I was amazed at Citroen calling their new car a C5. They might've well called it "Edsel". Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 03:10:17 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: There goes the sun Russ Reynolds wrote: > Wasn't "Something In The Way She Moves" the title of a Sinatra > song? Thought I read that somewhere. it's a title of a song on the first (Apple Records released before Abbey Road) James Taylor record... ===== "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 07:49:34 -0500 From: "jbranscombe@compuserve.com" Subject: Happy B'Day Kimberley Mr Rew strolls a single to notch up 50 years as one of the most distinctive guitarists on the planet and a damn natty songwriter to boot. The cricket analogy is, I feel, particularly appropriate as Robyn once said of him that - - 'He could sustain from a cricket bat...' jmbc It's my birthday on the 12th, and I'll be spending the evening at the Notting Hill Arts Club. See you there... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 08:04:24 -0500 From: Johnathan Vail Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #448 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:17:47 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: segway &... > >And where's that energy come from? Coal? Oil? Nuclear fission? > > Um...I gather that the Segway actually runs on a battery. I didn't > see any smokestack. Yeah, but you gotta charge it, there is a smokestack upstream, even if it's not obvious. I think this point of Jeme's stands. Before I go enviro-bashing it though, I want to know how it stacks up against cars doing short commuter trips, electric cars, etc. BIkes may be greener, but they're not viable for everyone. (And one of the first things I think, is, if half the people in cars downtown were in? on? a Segway, biking downtown could be much safer). Even though the energy is still mostly fossil fuel based from central plants upstream there are considerable advantages. The most obvious is air pollution in the urban areas. Plus not all the energy is coming from fossil fuels. Nuclear, solar, wind and water also contribute unlike cars where the best you can do is some ethanol in the mix for renewable energy. Also, the costs associated with a small machine compared with the materials used in a car is considerable. I don't think they will replace the car but if they can make a dent in the car use in cities it will be a major step forward. jv ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:16:47 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #448 Johnathan Vail wrote: > > the best you can do is some ethanol in > the mix for renewable energy. Or biodiesel, which the daring can make in their own backyards. Run your vehicle off McDonald's residue! Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:27:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: IINS On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Maximilian Lang wrote: (If I needed someone) > It uses the same riff as the Byrd's version of Bells Of Rhymney(and Robyn's > for that matter). I am uncertain who used the riff first though. They both > came out in 1965 and I am unsure of who had the prior release date, though I > do know Rubber Soul was released in early December. It certainly dates back a couple of years earlier than that to 'Needles and Pins' by the Searchers. Did Jackie de Shannon write that? She certainly wrote 'When you walk in the room' which uses a slightly more complex version of the same riff. And 'Feel a whole lot better' sounds a lot like a ripoff of 'When you walk in the room'. But anyone with a chord of D on their guitar is liable to play this riff by accident. I imagine there must be a folk tune that antedates Needles and Pins-er. - - Mike Godwin PS But IINS isn't an out and out lift like MSL. And what's this chorus on MSL that isn't on 'He's so fine'? There might be one E7 chord which isn't in the Chiffons song, but otherwise it is i-sodding-dentical (apart from the words, that is). PPS Come to think of it, 'I need you' slows down the same riff. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 08:31:31 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: There goes the sun >From: Jeff Dwarf >) > >Russ Reynolds wrote: > > Wasn't "Something In The Way She Moves" the title of a Sinatra > > song? Thought I read that somewhere. > >it's a title of a song on the first (Apple Records released before >Abbey Road) James Taylor record... > > And yes, it is the same Something. Max >===== >"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible > will make violent revolution inevitable." > -- John F. Kennedy >Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. >http://shopping.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 09:24:14 -0500 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Re: There goes the sun At 08:31 AM 12/4/01 -0500, Maximilian Lang wrote: >>From: Jeff Dwarf >>Russ Reynolds wrote: >> > Wasn't "Something In The Way She Moves" the title of a Sinatra >> > song? Thought I read that somewhere. >> >>it's a title of a song on the first (Apple Records released before >>Abbey Road) James Taylor record... >> >And yes, it is the same Something. > > Max I'm a little confused about what you're saying -- I could be mistaken, but it looks like you're saying that the JT and GH songs are one and the same, which is not true. I read somewhere that GH's Something was originally called Something In The Way She Moves, but was shortened since JT's had just come out. Sinatra did record GH's Something, although I believe he always referred to it as a Lennon-McCartney song. Perhaps George is setting him straight as we speak. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 15:17:36 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Fegway Unfortunetly the way I think the Segway will be used is by people who should and could be walking. More and more people think that walking a few miles to do errands and such is some sort of fantastic journey. Or that walking up a few flights of stairs is unbearably taxing. I don't see it cutting down on car use, which would be a good thing. I see it cutting down on walking, biking and public transportation, which would be a bad thing. Luckily its overpriced. Kay, in a snarky, snarly mood, but by trying to imagine what a bananna passionfuit would look like at least getting an occaisonal giggle. Meaning has to be shared to be real. Mark Kingwell _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:25:22 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: us and them >What percentage of your electricity comes from renewable sources? All of it now. I signed up with Green Mountain Energy in March or April but I just started getting information from them last month. So this should be the first month through which I will have been running 100% renewable. It tastes a little different. I started working on a wind turbine, as the cost of a new one is still a bit high, and hope to have it completed by January. The only problem will be the tower height because of all the trees but I think that can be overcome. Then there is all that wire and stuff. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:35:47 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: SB Show Trade Okay, so I'm admitting a need for completism. Who's got the SB's 3/23 (Hoboken), 3/28 (Toronto) and 3/29 (Detroit) shows on CD and wants to trade? email me offlist at mwells@imageworksmfg.com or braneout@earthlink.net and - wait for it - we can work it out. Michael "Sabra shopping network" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 07:43:56 -0800 From: "Scott McCleary" Subject: USB 2 CDR ? If you have a USB-enabled Mac, I can endorse the Roland UA30 as an excellent swiss army knife for audio. It has analog and both optical and coax ins and outs for digital-digital-digital from minidisc to hard drive to CD-R. I use mine ALL the time. Also comes in handy should you have a mixer with optical ins and outs. See the minidisco.com link to read more about it. Skip any of the software that comes with it, though. I usually record to hard disk with Felt Tip Sound Studio. It's shareware, $25 US I think, and it records directly to the drive, not RAM, so you're limited only by disk space (provided you have virtual memory turned off). Maybe I like it because its author has such a cool name -- Lucius Kwok. Anyway, that solution works fine for me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:02:18 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: power babies On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Capuchin wrote: > Now what percentage of your food comes from renewable sources? All food could be renewable just like people. See the connection. We should have GM babies that grow huge really fast like GM trout and give them a partial lobotomy when they are very young. That way we can convince most people that the power babies don't know what is happening and we can use their life energy thingy without much resistance. The nambla folks will be sittin and grinnin. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 17:06:13 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: us and them - --On Tuesday, December 04, 2001 09:25:22 -0500 gSs wrote: >> What percentage of your electricity comes from renewable sources? > > All of it now. I signed up with Green Mountain Energy in March or April > but I just started getting information from them last month. So this > should be the first month through which I will have been running 100% > renewable. It tastes a little different. In my case it's only 50%. The energy market in Germany has just recently been "liberated". Before that there were local monopolies. There have been both good and bad effects. There's one company (Yello) that's just being marketed as cheap electricity. They import lots of nuclear reactor electricity from France. On the other hand many other suppliers let you choose the source of "your" electricity. Of course that's not really true, but at least you determine where your money goes. You pay a premium depending on the percentage of the electricity from renewable sources that you want to buy. I went for 50% so that it wouldn't be too expensive, but I'm thinking about switching to 100% some time next year. Cheerss, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Winter is coming. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:28:10 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: The Henry Rawlinson Coincidence Anyone notice the startling coincidence between the learned biog here: http://emuseum.mnsu.edu/information/biography/pqrst/rawlinson_henry.html which states Sir Henry Creswicke Rawlinson, Diplomat and Assyriologist, was born November 4, 1810 in Chadlington, Oxfordshire... He died March 5, 1895. ... And the biog of Vivia Stanshall here: http://www.cam.anglia.ac.uk/~systimk/music/bonzos/Viv.Html which states Vivian died in a fire on the morning of Sunday 5th March 1995. ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:44:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: The Henry Rawlinson Coincidence I've come across the real Sir Henry before, during miscellaneous archaeological browsings. I'm almost sure that Stanshall's use of the name has to be a coincidence, or an invented name which was actually a suppressed memory. VS mentions "The Rawlinsons" (in 'Intro & Outro') and "Rawlinson's End" a long time ago and I guess that he got the idea for the Rawlinsons dynasty before inventing specific characters like Hubert, Henry and co. The dates are astonishing, however. I believe that like Steve Mariott and many others, Viv Stanshall dropped off to sleep with a lighted cigarette in his hand... - - Mike "God's turban and tutu!" Godwin On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Anyone notice the startling coincidence between the learned biog here: > http://emuseum.mnsu.edu/information/biography/pqrst/rawlinson_henry.html > > which states > > Sir Henry Creswicke Rawlinson, Diplomat and > Assyriologist, was born November 4, 1810 in > Chadlington, Oxfordshire... > > He died March 5, 1895. ... > > And the biog of Vivia Stanshall here: > http://www.cam.anglia.ac.uk/~systimk/music/bonzos/Viv.Html > > which states > > Vivian died in a fire on the morning > of Sunday 5th March 1995. > > ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 12:30:17 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: Manning Mention that's pretty odd -- but it's cool to find another Barbara fan amongst the feglist subscribers. I didn't know of any Robyn-Barbara connection before this dream, but I think Yo La Tengo may be the connection (at least in a degrees of separation way) -- a few years back, when Barbara was doing a solo opening gig on YLT's "I Can HEar The HEart Beating" tour (or was it Electr-Pura?), Barbara would regularly come on for the encore and YLT would act as her backing band for a couple of songs (in DC, they did an incredible version of "Every Pretty Girl," for example). And, of course, YLT played as Robyn's backing band a year or so ago for some dates in the U.K. Ummmmm, Robyn sweat tea! - -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Frost [mailto:christopher_frost@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 1:05 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Manning Mention Strange Hitchcock mention from Barbara Manning's S.W. Germany tour diary.... I had the weirdest dreams while I was sick: many scary ones about the terrorist attacks, one about Tom Hanks hanging out and smoking pot with me in my van, a perverse dream about the Dirty Three, and a long dream in which I saw an entire Robyn Hitchcock concert during which I was brewing a tea made from his sweat! ..from: http://www.barbaramanning.com/newsletters.html _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. 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I am uncertain who >> used the riff first though. They both came out in 1965 and I am >> unsure of who had the prior release date, though I do know Rubber >> Soul was released in early December. > > It certainly dates back a couple of years earlier than that to > 'Needles and Pins' by the Searchers. N&P was written by Sonny Bono and Jack Nitzche. > Did Jackie de Shannon write that? She certainly wrote 'When you walk > in the room' which uses a slightly more complex version of the same > riff. And 'Feel a whole lot better' sounds a lot like a ripoff > of 'When you walk in the room'. But anyone with a chord of D on their > guitar is liable to play this riff by accident. I imagine > there must be a folk tune that antedates Needles and Pins-er. > > - Mike Godwin > > PS But IINS isn't an out and out lift like MSL. And what's this > chorus on MSL that isn't on 'He's so fine'? There might be one E7 > chord which isn't in the Chiffons song, but otherwise it is > i-sodding-dentical (apart from the words, that is). > > PPS Come to think of it, 'I need you' slows down the same riff. ===== "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:14:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: IINS On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > N&P was written by Sonny Bono and Jack Nitzche. Thanks, Jeff. According to the Searchers official pages, it was a UK hit in Jan 1964. But when did Bono and Nitzche write it? Was there a US version which the Searchers covered? That was often the way the the UK industry worked in those days (still does, come to think of it, with a UK cover of 'Eternal Flame' topping the charts recently). I know Sonny Bono had an interesting career working with Spector and others, but I hadn't realised that he was writing hit songs as early as (presumably) 1963. I guess that Sonny wrote the words and Jack wrote the music, so maybe Jack Nitzche is the originator of that riff, and Jackie de Shannon, Jim 'Roger' McGuinn, George Harrison et al nicked it from him. Can anyone trace this riff back any earlier? F'rinstance, does Woody Guthrie use it? Or very early Dylan? - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:21:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Searchers GH tribute Looking through those Searchers pages for Needles and Pins info, i came across this interesting GH tribute from Frank Allen: http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/thesearchers/george.htm 'A good guitarist but not a great one'. - - MRG PS Frank writes 'self-conscious' plagiarism but means 'unconscious' plagiarism. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 10:47:08 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: There goes the sun On 12/4/01 6:24 AM, "Eric Loehr" wrote: > Sinatra did record GH's Something, although I believe he always referred to > it as a Lennon-McCartney song. Perhaps George is setting him straight as we > speak. I'm not sure if there is an afterlife, but if there is, I have a hard time believing that George and Frank are in the same place. - -- Cheers! - -g- Goodbye, George... "When you've seen beyond yourself then you may find peace of mind is waiting there And the time will come when you see we're all one And life flows on within you and without you." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:52:45 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: There goes the son On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Glen Uber wrote: > I'm not sure if there is an afterlife, but if there is, I have a hard time > believing that George and Frank are in the same place. That is funny. So George is sitting cross-legged in front of multi-armed green girls burning incense and chanting mantras and Frank is in another paradise brushing off dainty angels. Or is it that George is in this paradise brushing off little angels and Frank is getting butt fucked by some horned fella with a pointy tail. Or is it that since you did not know George or Frank or a god or a vishnu or a satan or Ghandi or Annan or Atta that you are simply talking out your back side? Just curious. Ever wonder if someone who killed themselves or had themselves killed to relieve the pain or sorrow ends up regretting it because the most hideous conditions you can imagine or be a part of in this life are nowhere near the suffering and dispair that is to come? Wouldn't that be the shit of all shits, at least until we get there and while we could relish even our most dreadful memories from this world we would always remember our big mistake. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 12:26:13 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: There goes the son On 12/4/01 10:52 AM, "gSs" wrote: > That is funny. So George is sitting cross-legged in front of multi-armed > green girls burning incense and chanting mantras and Frank is in another > paradise brushing off dainty angels. Or is it that George is in this > paradise brushing off little angels and Frank is getting butt fucked by > some horned fella with a pointy tail. Or is it that since you did not know > George or Frank or a god or a vishnu or a satan or Ghandi or Annan or Atta > that you are simply talking out your back side? Just curious. Most likely the latter. I tend to do it a lot. ;-) Of course, I am just expressing an opinion and the message came with the usual disclaimers. Because I never knew either man, I am just basing my opinion on hearsay and what is publicly known. I mean no offense to Sinatra fans who may hold opinions contrary to mine. > Ever wonder if someone who killed themselves or had themselves killed to > relieve the pain or sorrow ends up regretting it because the most hideous > conditions you can imagine or be a part of in this life are nowhere > near the suffering and dispair that is to come? Wouldn't that be the shit of > all shits, at least until we get there and while we could relish even our > most dreadful memories from this world we would always remember our big > mistake. This idea is what spurred on my religious beliefs until I was 17. Most of my family still holds to these beliefs. I have no proof of what comes after and neither do you. I decided long ago to give up the idea of hedging my bets "just in case". - -- Cheers! - -g- Goodbye, George... "When you've seen beyond yourself then you may find peace of mind is waiting there And the time will come when you see we're all one And life flows on within you and without you." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:24:22 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: There goes the sun On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Russ Reynolds wrote: > Additionally, "Long Long Long" was based on the chord changes to Dylan's > "Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands", and "Give Me Love Give Me Peace On Earth", > whether intentional or not certainly seems awfully close to Bob's "I Want > You". Eh. Both just use the (very common) device of a descending bass line that outlines the chords. None of those chord progressions is particularly unusual - but in both cases, George's phrasing makes the songs distinct. And elsewhere, he had a knack for some odd yet evocative chord changes - try "The Ballad of Sir Frankie Crisp" and "Apple Scruffs" for example, or some of the odd little changes in "Wah-Wah"... And then there's that screamingly obnoxious piano note at the top of the most prominent chord in "I Want to Tell You"... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:44:33 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: There goes the son On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Glen Uber wrote: > Most likely the latter. I tend to do it a lot. ;-) That is much to much like what I would say and therefore not acceptable. Please resubmit response. gSs high stepping strutters who land in the gutter sometimes need one too - gl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:16:10 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: There goes the sun On 12/4/01 12:24 PM, "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" wrote: > And then there's that screamingly obnoxious piano note at the top of the > most prominent chord in "I Want to Tell You"... That's nothing more than a 3rd, 5th, 7th, and played simultaneously while an alternating root is played on every other eighth note. In other words, it's sounds like a diminished chord (G#-B-D), but when the alternating bass note (E) is thrown in there, it becomes an E7. - -- Cheers! - -g- Goodbye, George... "When you've seen beyond yourself then you may find peace of mind is waiting there And the time will come when you see we're all one And life flows on within you and without you." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:19:54 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: There goes the son On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Glen Uber wrote: > > Ever wonder if someone who killed themselves or had themselves killed to > > relieve the pain or sorrow ends up regretting it because the most hideous > > conditions you can imagine or be a part of in this life are nowhere > > near the suffering and dispair that is to come? Wouldn't that be the shit of > > all shits, at least until we get there and while we could relish even our > > most dreadful memories from this world we would always remember our big > > mistake. > > This idea is what spurred on my religious beliefs until I was 17. Most of my > family still holds to these beliefs. I have no proof of what comes after and > neither do you. I decided long ago to give up the idea of hedging my bets > "just in case". What I meant there was not to isolate suicide as the big mistake that would be forever regretted because you would then go somewhere much worse, but that nothing you do or experience here at any level can be a worthy preparation for the suffering that will follow. Suicide, assisted or not was just an example. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 13:40:48 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: power babies On 12/4/01 7:02 AM, "gSs" wrote: > On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Capuchin wrote: >> Now what percentage of your food comes from renewable sources? > > All food could be renewable just like people. See the connection. We > should have GM babies that grow huge really fast like GM trout and give > them a partial lobotomy when they are very young. That way we can convince > most people that the power babies don't know what is happening and we can > use their life energy thingy without much resistance. The nambla folks > will be sittin and grinnin. Wow! Sounds like "A Modest Proposal" updated for the 21st Century. Too bad it's too late for NaNoWriMo. - -- Cheers! - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:47:28 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: There goes the sun > > And then there's that screamingly obnoxious piano note at the top of the >> most prominent chord in "I Want to Tell You"... > >That's nothing more than a 3rd, 5th, 7th, and played simultaneously while an >alternating root is played on every other eighth note. In other words, it's >sounds like a diminished chord (G#-B-D), but when the alternating bass note >(E) is thrown in there, it becomes an E7. I don't mind the note enough to call it "screamingly obnoxious," but I can see what Jeffrey means. As for your explanation, I don't think it's a *harmonic* dissonance. It's more about insistent repetition and rhythm, as one piano key gets rapidly pounded for a dozen triplet notes. It has a certain dentist-drill quality, and if the lick was just four quarter notes instead, it wouldn't stick out like it does. (Of course, everyone knows my established theory of "good-annoying." ;)) Actually, re-reading your comments, I think you may be referring to a different aspect of the song than Jeffrey. I assume he's talking about the pounded single note at the end of the bridge, which transitions the song back to the main verse. No? You seem to be talking about the background piano part within the verse, which has never been "controversial" like the bridge lick is. Embarrassing revelation: Back when I was a naive tiny lad, I was familiar with Ted Nugent's cover of this song before I ever heard the original. :) Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #449 ********************************