From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #448 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, December 4 2001 Volume 10 : Number 448 Today's Subjects: ----------------- segway &... [dmw ] Re: segway &... ["Jason R. Thornton" ] It, them, us [grutness@surf4nix.com] Tech help needed: Minidisk > CDR [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: the art of dying [Ken Ostrander ] Re: the art of dying ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Tech help needed: Minidisk > CDR [Mike Swedene ] Re: Surprised you guys aren't talking about "IT" [Ken Ostrander ] Re: Tech help needed: Minidisk > CDR [Capuchin ] Strokin IT [Johnathan Vail ] Re: Surprised you guys aren't talking about "IT" [Capuchin CDR [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: Tech help needed: Minidisk > CDR (fwd) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey CDR [Capuchin ] Re: Tech help needed: Minidisk > CDR (fwd) [Capuchin ] the incredible glass flesh ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: There goes the sun [Eb ] Re: Tech help needed: Minidisk > CDR ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: subject deleted ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Surprised you guys aren't talking about "IT" ["Stewart C. Russell" Subject: segway &... On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Eb wrote: > Some people work in very formal environments. Riding a bicycle isn't > real compatible with this. It can affect how you dress in the > morning, and you have to "re-groom" yourself once you get to work. > Not so much with the Segway. You'd arrive at work "fresh." Not as fresh as if you'd been in air-conditioned car -- I'm not being flip, I think it's a real issue. I've walked four or five blocks to meetings in the summer and had nearly as much drippiness to contend with as if I'd biked. > Also, it looks like there are nowhere near the falling issues with a > "self-balancing" Segway as with a bicycle. Less injuries. And maybe more visible to peds/vehicles than a bicycle too? > >And where's that energy come from? Coal? Oil? Nuclear fission? > > Um...I gather that the Segway actually runs on a battery. I didn't > see any smokestack. Yeah, but you gotta charge it, there is a smokestack upstream, even if it's not obvious. I think this point of Jeme's stands. Before I go enviro-bashing it though, I want to know how it stacks up against cars doing short commuter trips, electric cars, etc. BIkes may be greener, but they're not viable for everyone. (And one of the first things I think, is, if half the people in cars downtown were in? on? a Segway, biking downtown could be much safer). Jason: I've bought a whole lot of cheap tickets, including 75$ round trip flights, since September 11th; I was randomly 'wanded' once; I've never been thoroughly searched, nor has anyone inspected my carry-on luggage other than the standard x-ray screening (in that time, I've never checked bags). - -- d. - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 16:27:04 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: segway &... At 07:17 PM 12/3/2001 -0500, dmw wrote: >Jason: I've bought a whole lot of cheap tickets, including 75$ round trip >flights, since September 11th; I was randomly 'wanded' once; I've never >been thoroughly searched, nor has anyone inspected my carry-on luggage >other than the standard x-ray screening (in that time, I've never checked >bags). Man, I don't know what I'm doing "wrong." I flew the week before up to Sacramento, and they searched all my bags, and wanded me, before the flight back. I'm starting to get very paranoid. Maybe they know something about me that I don't. ;) Jason ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:54:43 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: It, them, us >Remembering the fantastic stain-filled blackberry fights of my youth*, Blackberries... great taste, but the horror of the garden (they're close to being considered a noxious weed here, and would be if they didn't taste so damn good!) Not surprisingly, Marionberries are a new one on me, too. Here it's mainly blackberries, raspberries, strawberries, boysenberries, and loganberries, though the only fruit grown on this property apart from the aforememntioned blackberries are apples, and banana passionfruit. >What percentage of your electricity comes from renewable sources? well, all the mains power does. NZ, uses hydro and geothermal energy. >That overstates the case, considerably. This sounds like just a segue... ba-doom ching! >It uses the same riff as the Byrd's version of Bells Of Rhymney(and Robyn's >for that matter). I am uncertain who used the riff first though. They both >came out in 1965 and I am unsure of who had the prior release date, though I >do know Rubber Soul was released in early December. George visited with the Byrds during August '65. It could well be that that riff came out of jamming. James (just back from a funeral. Same cause as GH. "Festive season"? Feh.) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:59:39 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Tech help needed: Minidisk > CDR Ey oop folks - A friend of mine (actually she is both an ex and also my web tech support!) has a question which one of you is bound to know the answer to. It is this: >how do you copy a minidisk onto an HD so it can be transferred to a CD-R? any advice welcomed! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 20:22:55 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: the art of dying >> the new version of "My >> Sweet Lord (2000)" was Harrison's way of finally reclaiming the song as >> his own by changing the melody so it no longer in any way resembles The >> Chiffons' "He's So Fine". Full circle, over and out. > >uh, but the main problem, as far as the courts were >concerned (IIRC), was the song's chord progression. Of course, that's a >really (multiply repeatedly) stupid reason to dun any pop song: chord >sequences are like a common language, forchrissakes. Anyway, George's song >becomes distinctive with that cool modulation into the chorus - which >"He's So Fine" doesn't have at all. i don't know. i can still hear the "i don't know how i'm gonna do it, but i'm gonna make him mine" bit when george sings "i really wanna see you". i think that the background vocals are similarly placed; but don't really sound the same. that said, i can't help wondering how many chord progressions are left. sure, there's all kinds of jazz chords and other funky stuff; but pop music tends to fall back on the major chords. most blues progressions are very basic and tend to sound the same. as you said, it's like copyrighting a word...oh wait, that's already been done. >The judges in that case should have been shot. (Well, as a non-violent >person, let's just say bludgeoned with a soft cushion.) no one expects the fegquisition! how about throwing something nerf-like once one of these glorified lawyers brings down another goofy judgement? a nerf gavel? ken "doo lang doo lang doo lang" the kenster np party music the coup ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 20:25:19 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: the art of dying >ken "doo lang doo lang doo lang" the kenster > >np party music the coup Hey pal, Keep your hands to yourself!!! :-) Lang _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:31:15 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: Tech help needed: Minidisk > CDR Probably your best bet is to go in thru the audio input on the PeeCee (I'm assuming). If memory serves me correctly (as per the Iron Chef opening scenes).... there is a software program really REALLY cheap (ie-FREE) that allows you to copy the minidisk (or cassette) as a GIANT wav file that you can break up using the SAME software.... The program can be gathered here: http://www.homepages.hetnet.nl/~mjmlooijmans/cdwave/ Hope this helps! Herbie np-> Pixies "Gauge Away" - --- grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > Ey oop folks - > > A friend of mine (actually she is both an ex and > also my web tech support!) > has a question which one of you is bound to know the > answer to. It is this: > > >how do you copy a minidisk onto an HD so it can be > transferred to a CD-R? > > any advice welcomed! > > James > > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. > =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= > > .-=-.-=-.-=-.- > > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. > -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if > from a distance > =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from > another time > -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By > this River") ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 20:54:08 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: Surprised you guys aren't talking about "IT" >>What's wrong with walking? Or a bicycle? >>This, like the urban automobile, is only useful to the infirm and the >>lazy. > >That overstates the case, considerably. This sounds like just a segue >into another of your misanthropic rants. And you say "infirm" like >it's only useful to actual "handicapped" people, whereas it's >actually useful to varying degrees for most folks over 50. well...it looks like there's no seat; which makes me wonder just how useful it'll be to the folks that might benefit the most. >Um...I gather that the Segway actually runs on a battery. I didn't >see any smokestack. yes; but what happens with the depleted batteries? it's a valid concern. even rechargable batteries eventually need to be replaced. >You could easily use the Segway on the sidewalk, whereas >bicycles on the sidewalk are dangerous and obstructive. and illegal. still, i think that people can be obstructive even without their shopping carts, pets, and enormous baby carriages. >Also, it looks like there are nowhere near the falling issues with a >"self-balancing" Segway as with a bicycle. Less injuries. i don't know. i'm guessing that it all depends on the driver. head on collisions will be interesting. >Now, I'm certainly not convinced this invention will revolutionize >anything. there's the rub! how could they claim that it will be "more important than pantyhose and more important than the internet"? one more case of super hype. ken "capitalism stole my virginity" the kenster np the argument fugazi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:12:51 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: subject deleted On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, bayard wrote: > theoretically, i think it could work as a middle ground between > cycling and feet, except for the fact that sidewalks are way too small > to accomodate people on these things. Not to mention that nothing on the sidewalk should EVER travel faster than 6mph. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:28:22 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Tech help needed: Minidisk > CDR On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > >how do you copy a minidisk onto an HD so it can be transferred to a CD-R? > any advice welcomed! Well, I have two methods for this: First, my sound card's analog line in and out are tied to the Auxiliary line in and out on my bookshelf stereo system, a Sharp MD-X5. So I can pop the MD in, press play, and record away. But I am doing Digital->analog->digital and I lose track marks, etc. Second, I can run the optical line out on my portable Sony MZ-R50 to an TOSLink <--> SPDIF/Coax converter and into the digital line in on my soundcard. Depending on the recorder, I can syncronize the recording a bit better. The disadvantage is, of course, SCMS in the hardware. But I'm REALLY hoping to get a Midiman (now MAudio) CO3 at some point . J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:29:51 -0500 From: Johnathan Vail Subject: Strokin IT From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Surprised you guys aren't talking about "IT" What's wrong with walking? Or a bicycle? This, like the urban automobile, is only useful to the infirm and the lazy. Exactly! If the lazy people start using and electric powered IT to schlepp their carcass around instead of infernal combustion motors the cities and the world will be better. I was as suspicious of the almost year long hype as I was curious about his earlier wheelchair that can stand up for people to reach things. I think this can be useful and the kind of motor servo technology that their inventions use will find more common applications. Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 01:04:59 -0500 From: Brian Subject: The Strokes Can't remeber who originally mentioned them, but I heard enough of the Strokes that I went out and got their cd. I do like. Reminds me a lot of Television, and of some Iggy Pop. Some of the guitars are so Television! I first heard them on WFNX (the Boston commercial "alternative" station) and then read about them hear. I got some live MP3s and then the CD. It is still in the CD player in the car... I hear VU, Iggy, The Jam (think "A Town Called Malice") and even Tall Dwarves in there somewhere though I think is not as derivative as it is a paralell influence. jv <- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:46:39 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Surprised you guys aren't talking about "IT" On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Eb wrote: > That overstates the case, considerably. This sounds like just a segue > into another of your misanthropic rants. What's misanthropic about noting the uselessness to the able-bodied and environmentally sane? > And you say "infirm" like it's only useful to actual "handicapped" > people, whereas it's actually useful to varying degrees for most folks > over 50. Well, for many people over 50, "infirm" is an adequate description. > >Can someone explain it to me? > > Well, regarding this vs. bicycles.... > > Some people work in very formal environments. Riding a bicycle isn't > real compatible with this. It can affect how you dress in the morning, > and you have to "re-groom" yourself once you get to work. Not so much > with the Segway. You'd arrive at work "fresh." For men (in a formal environment) this isn't too much of an issue. A man can wear rain clothes over his suit and arrive at work relatively fresh. I know many that do this. A quick step into the bathroom; rain clothes in the back and a comb through the hair, and you're back in business, so to speak. Since this thing doesn't go over 12mph, comparable human-powered transportation wouldn't require one to really break a sweat or otherwise soil one's self. For women, it's a bit more difficult considering the range of appropriate formal office-wear. > The Segway takes up a lot less ground space than the bicycle, so it's > more urban. I think it's probably got about the same noon-shadow area as a bicycle. > You could easily use the Segway on the sidewalk, whereas bicycles on > the sidewalk are dangerous and obstructive. These things on a sidewalk are just as dangerous as a bicycle. Neither belong there. > And riding bicycles in a dense metropolitan area between parked cars > and traffic is pretty scary. Once you get used to it, it's really not a big deal. Thousands of people do it every day. > Also, it looks like there are nowhere near the falling issues with a > "self-balancing" Segway as with a bicycle. Less injuries. People are also self-balancing. I wouldn't recommend anyone get a bicycle from which they cannot reach the ground. > > > sez here it costs 5 cents a day to run. that's for a whole day > > > non-stop. > >And where's that energy come from? Coal? Oil? Nuclear fission? > > Um...I gather that the Segway actually runs on a battery. I didn't see > any smokestack. It's probably a rechargeable battery. That means electricity... from the wall... from one of those sources. It's not magic-powered... unless THAT is what they're talking about!!! HELL YEAH!!! THIS WILL REVOLUTIONIZE EVERYTHING! Move over Internet!!! Move over pantyhose! Magic power is HERE! J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 20:46:51 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: help! gig identification/tape wearing out!! At 11:25 AM 12/3/01 -0800, Chris Franz wrote: >Looks to me like the 21-Oct-1990 gig in Columbus: > >http://www.jh3.com/robyn/base/gig.asp?chubb=824 > >with the first two and last two songs missing. I don't have a tape of this, >but presumably someone else does. Yes! Yesyesyes! Oh please does somebody have this tape oh please oh please??!??!? dolph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:18:55 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: Tech help needed: Minidisk > CDR >Probably your best bet is to go in thru the audio >input on the PeeCee (I'm assuming). If memory serves >me correctly (as per the Iron Chef opening scenes).... >there is a software program really REALLY cheap >(ie-FREE) that allows you to copy the minidisk (or >cassette) as a GIANT wav file that you can break up >using the SAME software.... The program can be >gathered here: > >http://www.homepages.hetnet.nl/~mjmlooijmans/cdwave/ > >Hope this helps! > >Herbie I hope it does too - thanks, I'll pass it on. It may not though - you assumed wrong - we're mac people. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:49:35 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Tech help needed: Minidisk > CDR (fwd) Asked a guy I know who's into Minidiscs... - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I usually assume that if the answer exists, it'll be on www.minidisc.org. That said, as far as I know, there's currently no way to do what you're asking except the old-fashioned way of playing the minidisc in real time into the analog inputs of your computer just like you'd make a CD-R from a record. Later next year, though, Sony is introducing something called Net MD which should allow for all kinds of neat minidisc to computer interactions. It's been a long time coming. As with all minidisc stuff, the Japaneses are getting it first. Currently, in order to go digitally from minidisc to HD, you'd need a minidisc player with a digital out (most portable players don't have this), and then you'd need software that can convert ATRAC (the compression method that minidiscs use) to a wave file. I'm pretty sure that no such thing exists. I'll double check on minidisc.org tomorrow, if time permits. - ---------------------- Hope this helps... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Some see things as they are, and say "Why?" ::Some see things as they could be, and say "Why not?" ::Some see things that aren't there, and say "Huh?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:46:25 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Tech help needed: Minidisk > CDR On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > >http://www.homepages.hetnet.nl/~mjmlooijmans/cdwave/ > > I hope it does too - thanks, I'll pass it on. > It may not though - you assumed wrong - we're mac people. Well, if you're Relatively-new-mac people, there are several USB audio input devices available. Look at the "MP3 to MD" section of and see the sort of thing I'm writing about. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:49:07 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Tech help needed: Minidisk > CDR (fwd) On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > I usually assume that if the answer exists, it'll be on www.minidisc.org. This is a safe bet. :) > That said, as far as I know, there's currently no way to do what you're > asking except the old-fashioned way of playing the minidisc in real time > into the analog inputs of your computer just like you'd make a CD-R from > a record. That's not true. > Currently, in order to go digitally from minidisc to HD, you'd need a > minidisc player with a digital out (most portable players don't have > this), and then you'd need software that can convert ATRAC (the > compression method that minidiscs use) to a wave file. I'm pretty > sure that no such thing exists. The digital output from a minidisc player is not in ATRAC format. It is uncompressed S/PDIF digital audio. It's the same format that comes from the digital out on the back of your DVD or CDROM (if yours has a digital out) and pretty much every other digital audio in/out interface. The ATRAC compression is done as the data is read from or written to the disc. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:54:52 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: Minidisk to CD? From mye minidisk-to-CDR-bemused friend: >EX-cellent! Just the thing we were looking for. Thank you, and please >thank the Fegs for me. Bugs onna stick all round! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 23:25:03 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: There goes the sun > I liked George for his thievery. My Sweet Lord > (which I love despite not being religious) from > the Chiffons, The Inner Light from the Vedas ... > plus at the end of It's All Too Much he sings > a bit of Sorrow by the Merseybeats, "with your > long blond hair and your eyes of blue/ and all > I every got from you was sorrow." And on > Wonderwall, perhaps my favorite pop instrumental > album, he takes the basic tune to Party > Seacombe from the Kinks You're Looking Fine and > brazenly steals Cowboy Museum from the Who's > A Quick One While He's Away. Additionally, "Long Long Long" was based on the chord changes to Dylan's "Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands", and "Give Me Love Give Me Peace On Earth", whether intentional or not certainly seems awfully close to Bob's "I Want You". Wasn't "Something In The Way She Moves" the title of a Sinatra song? Thought I read that somewhere. And of course "This Song" could be "Sugar Pie Honey Bunch"... I'm sure John taught George everything he knew about borrowing from others. One thing I've noticed about George's songwriting is that he tended to crutch maybe just a little too much on syncopation. If you start listening for it you'll hear it in a pretty good percentage of his songs. - -rUss. PS: Has anyone seen reaction on George's death from Eric Clapton? I would think the relationship those two had would make for a great made-for-TV movie. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 23:37:31 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: the incredible glass flesh > From: "Jason R. Thornton" > On a less depressing note, I saw The Sunshine Fix and Call & Response with > The Incredible Moses Leroy a few days go. The Sunshine Fix and Call & > Response were both impressive, although The Sunshine Fix was nowhere near > as magical and whimsical live as The Olivia Tremor Control were. I talked > to the guitarist from Call & Response for a bit, mainly because I really > enjoyed the "old soul" vibe he had going. The Incredible Moses Leroy > wasn't that exciting - I liked a few of the Cure-ish/New Order-ish numbers, > at least musically. The vocals and the vocal melodies really didn't do > much for me, though. Maybe I already mentioned this on the list, but The Incredible Moses Leroy opened for TMBG earlier this year at the Warfield (along with The Bicycle Thief). Cute singer, cute band, cute tunes. I liked the vocals, but no, the earth didn't move for me, either. Margaret really got into them, though. I now have both volumes of Glass Flesh on CD, by the way, and I'm looking forward to digging in. Drew - -- http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ "You're living in a global shopping mall, and you're the only person who still thinks there's a bloody exit." - Edina Monsoon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:48:35 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: There goes the sun >Wasn't "Something In The Way She Moves" the title of a Sinatra song? >Thought I read that somewhere. I don't know about that, but there's a song on the first James Taylor album (an Apple release from *1968*) which is called "Something in the Way She Moves." Ouch. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 07:59:53 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Tech help needed: Minidisk > CDR grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > > I hope it does too - thanks, I'll pass it on. > It may not though - you assumed wrong - we're mac people. my friend Conrad has a very nice Mac-based MD-to-CD route; shall I ask? It is based on ~US$2000 of Marantz PMD-650 minidisc, and a non-inexpensive M-Audio Audiophile 2496 card. It didn't just work quite out of the box, there was some fiddling involved. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 08:10:04 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: segway &... dmw wrote: > > Not as fresh as if you'd been in air-conditioned car that depends if you're factoring in carbon monoxide and low-frequency noise levels. Neither of those do much for your mental freshness. > And maybe more visible to peds/vehicles than a bicycle too? Nah, you'll still be a target for SMIDSY: "Sorry Mate, I Didn't See You". Anything smaller than a car, and without quartz-halogen lights front and rear, will be sometimes be ignored. Heck, I've seen seem people pull a smidsy for other cars. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 08:19:57 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: subject deleted bayard wrote: > > sez here it costs 5 cents a day to run. that's for a whole day > non-stop. electric vehicle manufacturers are very fond of overstating their case. So much so that "honest" EV makers like my friend Ben (http://www.kinetics.org.uk/) has to rely on people doing test rides themselves. > bet you'd eat more than 5 cents worth of food over and above > your normal intake if you walked all day non-stop. Walking's about 1250kJ/h. Just being is about 350kJ/h. I guess they don't factor in the battery life. If you are using NiMHs, I reckon the batteries would be about US$250, and have a charge life of 250-500 cycles => $0.50-1.00 a day. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 08:41:33 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Surprised you guys aren't talking about "IT" Eb wrote: > > Some people work in very formal environments. Riding a bicycle isn't > real compatible with this. ever been to the Netherlands? I've seen people in evening wear on bicycles there. Of course, they're real bicycles, with all the right guards in all the right places, and aren't really happy going much faster than 3x walking pace. > Not so much with the Segway. You'd arrive at work "fresh." I'm sure all that extra muscle effort to lean and keep balance would be a bit tiring. > The Segway takes up a lot less ground space than the bicycle nah, it's a double track vehicle; a bike is single-track. > And riding > bicycles in a dense metropolitan area between parked cars and traffic > is pretty scary. I enjoy it. It's enormous fun. As long as you've got an Air Zound, of course. > Also, it looks like there are nowhere near the falling issues with a > "self-balancing" Segway as with a bicycle. Less injuries. Tell me, when the battery conks out, or a motor fails, would you faceplant or pratfall? I still don't think this will replace my Brompton -- http://www.bromptonbike.com/ -- which at US$1000, 12kg (inc front bag), can fold up to train or bus luggage rack in 15s, is a crazy fast ride. > Now, I'm certainly not convinced this invention will revolutionize > anything. It really reminds me of the Sinclair C5 -- http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/sinclair/vehicles/c5.htm -- which was launched in the UK in 1985 to similar media hoopla. When the machine got out into the public, it was shown up to be a total disaster. The UK EV industry is still recovering. - -- Stewart C. Russell Senior Analyst Programmer stewart@ref.collins.co.uk Collins Dictionaries use Disclaimer; my $opinion; Bishopbriggs, Scotland ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #448 ********************************