From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #447 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 10 : Number 447 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: GH ["matt sewell" ] Re: GH ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Cleveland-bound ["Stewart C. Russell" ] catching up ["Mike Wells" ] The SB Fund ["Redtailed Hawk" ] Paging Jonathan Vail ["Mike Wells" ] on eBay [Mike Swedene ] there goes the sun ["ross taylor" ] Re: help! gig identification/tape wearing out!! ["Chris Franz" ] Re: Reprocushions [Capuchin ] Re: anagrams! [Capuchin ] subject deleted [bayard ] the art of dying [HAL ] Re: subject deleted [Capuchin ] Re: subject deleted [bayard ] Re: the art of dying [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Surprised you guys aren't talking about "IT" [Eb Subject: Re: GH As I'm sure many have already pointed out, Old Brown Shoe has been performed by Robyn quite a few times fairly recently... Matt >From: Eb >Simple question: Has Robyn ever performed a Harrison tune? Many of >his lyrics are a bit sappy for Robyn's sensibility, but.... > >>chas in LA writes: >>I call it the 'I'm >>right and you're wrong' brand of radio, a tailor-made format for >>the 'black >>and whiters' of the right side of the spectrum. > >As any Feglist subscriber knows, the left side has their share of >"black and whiters" as well. ;) > >Eb > >np: The Reindeer Section (a nice little record) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 12:14:47 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: GH Eb wrote: > > Simple question: Has Robyn ever performed a Harrison tune? He did "Think For Yourself" in Edinburgh earlier this year. I only know it's a Harrison choon 'cos Robyn said it was. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 12:17:29 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Cleveland-bound JH3 wrote: > > So get out those old ticket stubs! You never know > what you might find! so someone else has a stub gallery? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:47:22 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: catching up JD: > sort of like Tom Lehrer's old friend Hen3ry, so they eventually had to > send off to the home for the bewildered, after writing the novel about > the necrophiliac who achieved his boyhood dream of becoming coroner... "Life is like a sewer...what you get out of it depends on what you put into it." === RR: > Interesting you should say that. I've been listening to American Beauty a > lot lately, and I found myself thinking that a number of those tunes would > sound great covered by RH. Candyman in particular. I'd wager that most of 'Workingman's' would sound pretty damn good too, i.e. "UJB," "High Time," "Dire Wolf"...not to mention a whole raft of other songs like "Ship of Fools," "Cassidy," "Terrapin" etc., etc. It's actually more a fantasy of mine to have RH do a Dead covers album rather than a Zimmerman opus. Now if he would only consider a Rush covers disc... === I thought chas.walker's post on GH set the perfect tone. For me GH passing feels more the like Beatles dying than when Lennon was shot (I know it's exactly opposite with a lot of people)...but GH's riffs always seemed to resonate in my head with greater clarity than the lyrics or harmonies. By the time I picked up a guitar in the early 80's it was already evident that his material was going to be part of the standard repertoire; my first instruction booklet was a Beatles one. His parts were so spare and yet PERFECT for each song that they were almost invisible. Christ, I can still recall my outright glee years later finally learning the secret "middle 8 in B" to Day Tripper...it was like stumbling across a Holy Relic from your childhood in the attic. Michael "paperback reader" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 16:54:37 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: The SB Fund Meaning has to be shared to be real. Mark Kingwell Congrats Gene and Susan! Drew--as you put it, --you're going to be working next month, so Congrats on that. You managed a quick turnaround which is what's most important. Thou I was curious to get a peek at your stuff:-(. Maybe next year:-). - ------------------------ Jefffrey wrote: >We must either purchase the CD from venues not tied into >Soundscan, or (better) resolve to acquire the CDs only via theft (or >being >a reviewer and getting free copies - much the same thing). I like the idea of avoiding places that feed into counts but, lets face it, we dont -really- want to steal from the SBs. Someone needs to set up a charity--"The Soft Boys Fund" for aid to all boys who have ever found themselves soft(And needless to say a band which has chosen this descriptive as a label obviously qualifies(the fact that some of the members in question have actually produced children is highly regretable. We may have to butcher the overgrown zygotes for this to work.)) So--as a fund-raising ploy, anyone who donates 20 bucks to this charity receives as a "gift" ( since theres nothing quid pro quo going on here)a copy of the new CD. That way the SBs get their money, we get our music but no sale has actually taken place. BTW--this scam is how alot of major charities funraise. You donate tax-detuctable money from your tax-dodge of a foundation. You end up with great seats to a Broadway preview, an invite to a fancy, statusy party plus "favors." But there's no sale. Youre doing it purely out of the goodness of your haeart. So why not take advantage of this legal loop-hole for a truely worthy cause:-). >Threatening letters must be sent to any critic who compares anyone to > >RH(are you listening, reviewers of Anton Barbeau?) or mentions the >Soft >Boys as unheralded influence (particularly nasty threats >reserved for >those who refer to the SBs as "the Velvet Underground of >the... I suggest disjointed death threats to anyone who mentions The VU, Nick Drake or REM. Intersperse your psychotic rambelings with odd quotes from "Furry Green Adam Bowl" "Brenda's Having her Brain Out" and a soupcon of "Wang Dang Pig." Oh, and we -must- make sure Chuck Eddy writes all the reviews for major publications. He'd probobly do it too, he'll have college to pay for soon. >what the Flying >Thompson's Gazelle are you folks talking about? NaNoWriMoNoWri's? Its an incentive to break thru writer's block. You write a 50,000 word novel in one month. Its a good way to tear a rough draft from your inner soul or sole, as the case might be(just think of it like when you get a pesky leangth of toilet paper stuck to your shoe.) Me, Im giving myself a short break (hence my overlong postings here) but I still haven't finished(thou I made it past 50,000). My guess is I'll end up with about 60,000 words and then rewrite like mad. - ------------------------------------------------------------ Eb; >Anyone have anything interesting (or even positive) to say about the >lesser-known GH albums? I've never even bothered to hear Extra >Texture, 33 1/3, Somewhere in England, Gone Troppo, Dark Horse or >George Harrison. The song "Dark Horse" came out when I was in college and growing restive of my preppie trappings. I listened to it over and over again then, and found myself doing so again recently in rememberence (and celebration) of how GH's music intersected with my life. It may not be a great song but its a darn good one, and it helped give me the stomach for some things I needed to do back then. So, whatever its critical merit, -- I love it. That may not be interesting, but it -is- positive;-). - ----------------------------------------------------------- Bridget wrote: >I'm brand-spankin' new to Robyn Hitchcock trading, and was hoping someone could help me find unhatched >crablings or uncarved pumpkins on tape or cdr. You know--Ive lost my crabs and never had a pumpkin. If this turns into something, count me in. - ------------------------------------------------- This morn coming into the work the was-just-full moon shone in one corner of the sky, the sun in another. I love when this happens, when both are in the sky at once. If any wordaholic Fegs have read down this message this far--what do you call it? Literally, it -is- a light blue moon;-). - ----------------------------------------------------- Hey Bayard--quit kissing the new guys ass;-) - -------------------------------------------------- Kay Meaning has to be shared to be almost real. Mark Kingwell _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:12:50 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Paging Jonathan Vail Got your discs thanks - email me offlist at mwells@imageworksmfg.com or braneout@earthlink.net - your last email addy bounced. Michael "two fingers and a religion" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:09:32 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: on eBay Hey guys and girls! I found an interesting thing on ebay a few days back. It is a USB 75 Disc CD Changer. Could make a great Xmas gift for anyone who can't decide what CD to listen to over the "holiday season". http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1304181775 Just thought I would bring it up. Herbie np -> "Dancing On God's Thumb" ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 14:23:30 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: there goes the sun I liked George for his thievery. My Sweet Lord (which I love despite not being religious) from the Chiffons, The Inner Light from the Vedas ... plus at the end of It's All Too Much he sings a bit of Sorrow by the Merseybeats, "with your long blond hair and your eyes of blue/ and all I every got from you was sorrow." And on Wonderwall, perhaps my favorite pop instrumental album, he takes the basic tune to Party Seacombe from the Kinks You're Looking Fine and brazenly steals Cowboy Museum from the Who's A Quick One While He's Away. Seriously, he was the Beatle I identified with. This gives 2001 even more the feeling of the end of an era. Here's an interesting (to me) snippet from Jack Bruce's statement about GH (from http://www.jackbruce.com ): Apart from his work with the Beatles and his important solo recordings George was one of the first in the sixties to bring the influence of Indian culture to the attention of the world thus changing the direction of western music for all time. He was also almost single handedly responsible for the resurgence of the British film industry in recent times through his Hand Made Films production company. Without his input it is unlikely that films such as The Life of Brian, Brazil, Withnail and I, Mona Lisa, A Private Function and many others would ever have been made. - --- By the way, from the music & the cover art, it looks like Wonderwall was a groovy film. Has anyone here seen it? Ross Taylor "he cast his light on everything it was like he'd never die" Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:25:19 -0800 From: "Chris Franz" Subject: Re: help! gig identification/tape wearing out!! >I went looking at the Asking Tree first, and I don't see a gig with this >setlist. Somebody in grad school gave me a tape of a Robyn solo gig, >mediocre sound, and these songs -- > >Clean Steve (with lots of references to "Bruce") >Queen Elvis >Balloon Man >Sometimes I Wish I Was A Pretty Girl >Wax Doll >Ye Sleeping Knights Of Jesus >Glass Hotel >I Often Dream Of Trains >A Globe Of Frogs >Beautiful Girl >Oceanside >The Bones In The Ground >I Got A Message For You Looks to me like the 21-Oct-1990 gig in Columbus: http://www.jh3.com/robyn/base/gig.asp?chubb=824 with the first two and last two songs missing. I don't have a tape of this, but presumably someone else does. - - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:26:27 -0500 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Surprised you guys aren't talking about "IT" Kamen unveiled the "Ginger" secret project thing-y. South Park fans will be disappointed to see that there are no mouth controls or anal probes. >>http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/index.html >>http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/GoodMorningAmerica/GMA011203What_IT_is.html >>http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/MP/011203it_video_mp.html >Not to mention: http://www.segway.com > >(Sorry, segwaysucks.com has already been taken.) Looks interesting. If you "THINK" about going forward, you go forward, if you "THINK" about going backwards, likewise. At least that's what Kamen says... - -- LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC mailto:ljl@w-rabbit.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "You know what you are? You're a ho. You know who you are? You are King Ho." --Mableam Ephriam, ESQ, "Divorce Court" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:32:19 -0500 From: "Larry O'Brien" Subject: RE: Surprised you guys aren't talking about "IT" It's a SCOOTER. Big deal. I wanna know when we get JET PACKS and MORE LEISURE TIME. Larry Still looking for the George Jetson vision of the future - -----Original Message----- From: lj lindhurst [mailto:ljl@w-rabbit.com] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:26 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Surprised you guys aren't talking about "IT" Kamen unveiled the "Ginger" secret project thing-y. South Park fans will be disappointed to see that there are no mouth controls or anal probes. >>http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/index.html >>http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/GoodMorningAmerica/GMA011203What_IT >>_is.html >>http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/MP/011203it_video_mp.html >Not to mention: http://www.segway.com > >(Sorry, segwaysucks.com has already been taken.) Looks interesting. If you "THINK" about going forward, you go forward, if you "THINK" about going backwards, likewise. At least that's what Kamen says... - -- LJ Lindhurst White Rabbit Graphic Design http://www.w-rabbit.com NYC mailto:ljl@w-rabbit.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "You know what you are? You're a ho. You know who you are? You are King Ho." --Mableam Ephriam, ESQ, "Divorce Court" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:09:20 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Surprised you guys aren't talking about "IT" >Kamen unveiled the "Ginger" secret project thing-y. > >South Park fans will be disappointed to see that there are no mouth >controls or anal probes. > >>>http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/index.html >>>http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/GoodMorningAmerica/GMA011203What_IT_is.html >>>http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/MP/011203it_video_mp.html I was looking forward to the unveiling...I guess you managed to give me my first look, before I caught it on the news. Hey, dig the Strokes reference in the picture caption! ("Is This 'IT'?") Eb, wondering how many people will want to spend *$3000* on a really kewl scooter...I think I could make do with rollerskates, myself.... PS Looks to me like the structure might allow you to add a makeshift anal-probe attachment, if desired. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:35:06 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Surprised you guys aren't talking about "IT" What's wrong with walking? Or a bicycle? This, like the urban automobile, is only useful to the infirm and the lazy. And the thing weighs more than half of what Viv weighs and well over a quarter of what I weigh. That means that a large percentage of its power is used to move the device itself, rather than the cargo. This is real low efficiency in my book. (Viv's bicycle weighs about a quarter of her weight and my bicycle weighs about a tenth of my weight.) I don't understand. But that could mean that I'm just not seeing something. Don't get me wrong, the invention (if it works as well as they say) is quite useful for the handicapped and can be more broadly applied than this full upright walking-replacement. It tops out at 12mph (probably less for someone my size, maybe a bit more for little people). But I can sprint that, if need be... and I'd leave it way behind on a bike. Can someone explain it to me? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:47:35 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: mostly harmless On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, gSs wrote: > I watched 'delicatessen', 'city of lost children' and 'hate' this > weekend. All excellent movies and I recommend them to everyone, but > this nearly gave me an erection. Greg, you should get out and see Amelie. You'd love it. And send back my copy of Geek Love. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:57:20 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Reprocushions On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Redtailed Hawk wrote: > Or is there really such a thing as marionberrys? And if so, expostulate > please. Wow. I had no idea that Marion berries were specific to this area. Huh. But I was MUCH more surprised to find that y'all don't get them alongside all your other berries at the market (I now see why they're not at your local farmer's market, but you'd think they'd AT LEAST be at the supermarket; fresh or in cans, jars or bottles somehow). Double-huh. I still prefer wild blackberries (I do remember being very shocked when I found out that blackberries don't grow wild along every street in the world), but Marion berries are quite good. Remembering the fantastic stain-filled blackberry fights of my youth*, J. * At the end of summer, when the blackberries were in full fruit, our mothers would send us out to collect blackberries for pies and jams and preserves. One for me, one for mom kind of picking. And we'd return tongue-stained and smiling with buckets full. And after the blackberry pies were made and the jams were in the freezer and the preserves in pantry and another fresh gallon in the refrigerator for ice-cream and whatever, we'd go out and just pick and eat. When we could eat no more, there were still so many blackberries that the best thing we could think to do was throw them at each other. It ruined our clothes and we caught hell, of course, but man, that was fun. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:59:25 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: anagrams! Can't be helped. On Thu, 22 Nov 2001, bayard wrote: > Rearranging the letters of 'robyn rowan hitchcock' gives: A horny, bitch-worn cock. Thank you. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:26:00 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: subject deleted <> sez here it costs 5 cents a day to run. that's for a whole day non-stop. bet you'd eat more than 5 cents worth of food over and above your normal intake if you walked all day non-stop. http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,186660,00.html > Hey Bayard--quit kissing the new guys ass;-) whoops! I thought that was his FACE! =b (cheeky) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 14:48:51 -0700 From: HAL Subject: the art of dying A moment's meditation for george... ================================================ ================================================ By the way, the colorization of the cover on the 'ATMP' re-issue makes perfect sense when you look inside the box. And the new version of "My Sweet Lord (2000)" was Harrison's way of finally reclaiming the song as his own by changing the melody so it no longer in any way resembles The Chiffons' "He's So Fine". Full circle, over and out. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:28:15 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: subject deleted On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, bayard wrote: > sez here it costs 5 cents a day to run. that's for a whole day > non-stop. bet you'd eat more than 5 cents worth of food over and > above your normal intake if you walked all day non-stop. And where's that energy come from? Coal? Oil? Nuclear fission? What percentage of your electricity comes from renewable sources? Now what percentage of your food comes from renewable sources? Monetary cost isn't exactly REAL cost. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:39:25 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: Re: subject deleted On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Capuchin wrote: > > And where's that energy come from? Coal? Oil? Nuclear fission? > > What percentage of your electricity comes from renewable sources? > > Now what percentage of your food comes from renewable sources? > > Monetary cost isn't exactly REAL cost. of course they haven't proved anything yet. i'm as skeptical as you are. read the article, if you want more info, is all i'm saying. theoretically, i think it could work as a middle ground between cycling and feet, except for the fact that sidewalks are way too small to accomodate people on these things. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:46:37 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: the art of dying On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, HAL wrote: > By the way, the colorization of the cover on the 'ATMP' re-issue makes > perfect sense when you look inside the box. And the new version of "My > Sweet Lord (2000)" was Harrison's way of finally reclaiming the song as > his own by changing the melody so it no longer in any way resembles The > Chiffons' "He's So Fine". Full circle, over and out. I don't mind the cover - I'm not sure I *like* it, but I do'nt mind it. As to "My Sweet Lord": uh, but the main problem, as far as the courts were concerned (IIRC), was the song's chord progression. Of course, that's a really (multiply repeatedly) stupid reason to dun any pop song: chord sequences are like a common language, forchrissakes. Anyway, George's song becomes distinctive with that cool modulation into the chorus - which "He's So Fine" doesn't have at all. The judges in that case should have been shot. (Well, as a non-violent person, let's just say bludgeoned with a soft cushion.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::You think your country needs you, but you know it never will:: __Elvis Costello__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:20:25 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Surprised you guys aren't talking about "IT" Capuchin built up steam: >What's wrong with walking? Or a bicycle? >This, like the urban automobile, is only useful to the infirm and the >lazy. That overstates the case, considerably. This sounds like just a segue into another of your misanthropic rants. And you say "infirm" like it's only useful to actual "handicapped" people, whereas it's actually useful to varying degrees for most folks over 50. However, I think I saw something which said it's not designed for folks over 250 pounds, so I guess the obese are left out of the loop. >Can someone explain it to me? Well, regarding this vs. bicycles.... Some people work in very formal environments. Riding a bicycle isn't real compatible with this. It can affect how you dress in the morning, and you have to "re-groom" yourself once you get to work. Not so much with the Segway. You'd arrive at work "fresh." The Segway takes up a lot less ground space than the bicycle, so it's more urban. You could easily use the Segway on the sidewalk, whereas bicycles on the sidewalk are dangerous and obstructive. And riding bicycles in a dense metropolitan area between parked cars and traffic is pretty scary. This is obviously a device directed at big-city dwellers. Also, it looks like there are nowhere near the falling issues with a "self-balancing" Segway as with a bicycle. Less injuries. Now, I'm certainly not convinced this invention will revolutionize anything. The $3000 pricetag is prohibitive. And I think about security issues. Where do you store this thing, once you arrive at your workplace/destination? And I picture vans driving around, who'll pull up next to anyone using one and quickly steal the thing at gunpoint.... And I guess the amount of required maintenance is still mostly unknown. But it will be interesting to see if this thing flies or sinks, in the upcoming year or two. > > sez here it costs 5 cents a day to run. that's for a whole day > > non-stop. > >And where's that energy come from? Coal? Oil? Nuclear fission? Um...I gather that the Segway actually runs on a battery. I didn't see any smokestack. >ross: >I liked George for his thievery. My Sweet Lord >(which I love despite not being religious) from >the Chiffons, The Inner Light from the Vedas ... >plus at the end of It's All Too Much he sings >a bit of Sorrow by the Merseybeats, "with your >long blond hair and your eyes of blue/ and all >I every got from you was sorrow." And on >Wonderwall, perhaps my favorite pop instrumental >album, he takes the basic tune to Party >Seacombe from the Kinks You're Looking Fine and >brazenly steals Cowboy Museum from the Who's >A Quick One While He's Away. Seems like there's some Byrds song which is commonly cited as the inspiration of "If I Needed Someone." "I'll Feel a Whole Lot Better," maybe? Or perhaps it was just labeled a Byrds ripoff in general. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 18:34:05 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Surprised you guys aren't talking about "IT" >From: Eb >Seems like there's some Byrds song which is commonly cited as the >inspiration of "If I Needed Someone." "I'll Feel a Whole Lot Better," >maybe? Or perhaps it was just labeled a Byrds ripoff in general. > >Eb It uses the same riff as the Byrd's version of Bells Of Rhymney(and Robyn's for that matter). I am uncertain who used the riff first though. They both came out in 1965 and I am unsure of who had the prior release date, though I do know Rubber Soul was released in early December. Beatard, Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 15:57:01 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Surprised you guys aren't talking about "IT" At 03:20 PM 12/3/2001 -0800, Eb wrote: >The Segway takes up a lot less ground space than the bicycle, so it's more >urban. You could easily use the Segway on the sidewalk, whereas bicycles >on the sidewalk are dangerous and obstructive. And riding bicycles in a >dense metropolitan area between parked cars and traffic is pretty scary. >This is obviously a device directed at big-city dwellers. The thing that bugs me about this sort of device, and other "sidewalk" oriented "vehicles" like scooters, roller-skates and skateboards, be they motorized or foot powered, is the danger they pose to pedestrians. Walking through a densely populated urban area can be scary when so many vehicles are barreling at you along the walkways. Granted, they are, as Eb suggests, less "dangerous and obstructive" than a bike on a sidewalk, but they can still be a hazard - and not just in a crowd, but just about anywhere people are strolling. I actually think they'd be safer, and more usable, in more of a suburban setting than most metropolitan areas. Hong Kong has a long outdoor escalator. Now, that's the way to travel around a city. Speaking of travel, I flew to Boston over Thanksgiving, and had my bags (check-in and carry-on) thoroughly searched both ways. I purchased my tickets days before on priceline.com, which doesn't even allow to pick an airline, much less particular flights. I'm thoroughly convinced that the airlines "targeted" me for a search not because I logically fit into any sort of reasonable terrorist "profile," but in order to discourage me from ordering inexpensive tickets. On the way to Boston, as we flew over Manhattan, a flight attendant pointed out "ground zero." Very spooky to see, especially while in a plane. On a less depressing note, I saw The Sunshine Fix and Call & Response with The Incredible Moses Leroy a few days go. The Sunshine Fix and Call & Response were both impressive, although The Sunshine Fix was nowhere near as magical and whimsical live as The Olivia Tremor Control were. I talked to the guitarist from Call & Response for a bit, mainly because I really enjoyed the "old soul" vibe he had going. The Incredible Moses Leroy wasn't that exciting - I liked a few of the Cure-ish/New Order-ish numbers, at least musically. The vocals and the vocal melodies really didn't do much for me, though. Jason ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #447 ********************************