From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #446 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 10 : Number 446 Today's Subjects: ----------------- The Strokes [Brian ] Re:GH ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re:GH [Jeff Dwarf ] Re:GH [Eb ] George and Jools [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: nanowrimonomo [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: GH [Mitch Cullin ] Re: GH ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re:GH (electronic sound) ["Fric Chaud" ] Re: The Strokes [Timothy Reed ] Re:GH (electronic sound) [bayard ] Re: The Strokes ["Rob" ] Re: GH [Eb ] Re: GH ["Maximilian Lang" ] RE: George albums ["da9ve stovall" ] RE: silent ["da9ve stovall" ] Death & the marketplace [Eb ] help! gig identification/tape wearing out!! [Dolph Chaney ] Go Ringo, no! ["matt sewell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 01:04:59 -0500 From: Brian Subject: The Strokes Can't remeber who originally mentioned them, but I heard enough of the Strokes that I went out and got their cd. I do like. Reminds me a lot of Television, and of some Iggy Pop. Some of the guitars are so Television! My only complaint is the variety factor, which is lacking. That's not so bad, cause they found a good sound and stick to it. I agree with who ever said that some of the songs could loose the AM radio/ megaphone effect. The singer seems to have a nice voice. It doesn't need to always be covered up. I liked it enough, infact, to buy a live boot of the Strokes from their last summer tour. The show is very similiar to the Is This It album. So similiar that it's all the same songs in the same order, except for a new one called New York City Cops. I wish I would have seen them a couple weeks ago when they were in Detroit. Oh well. Thanks, fegs for the musical suggestion. Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 23:50:22 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re:GH > Anyone have anything interesting (or even positive) to say about the > lesser-known GH albums? I've never even bothered to hear Extra > Texture, 33 1/3, Somewhere in England, Gone Troppo, Dark Horse or > George Harrison. I love Dark Horse--very underrated IMO. Nice photo of GH & Peter Sellers inside, too. 33 1/3 is as good as anything he's done. A damn fine album--just got through listening to it, in fact. Worth it for "This Song" alone, which is a brilliant piece of songwriting. I'll never figure out how "Crackerbox Palace" became the hit off that record. Been years since I've listened to either SiE or GT. I never warmed to either of them. However, the biggest George fan I know ranks Gone Tropo as one of George's best. I just bought Extra Texture on CD today and found it pretty weak overall. I used to listen to it a lot on vinyl, though...ISTR it grew on me back then. "This Guitar Can't Keep From Crying" is a sequel worth checking out, though without Clapton it pales in comparison to the original. And Bonzo fans might enjoy "His Name Is Legs". "George Harrison" is an album I liked a lot when it first came out but I haven't played it in years. The stupid video for "Blow Away" ruined that one for me. I think that's the one with "Here Comes The Moon", isn't it? I do like that song a bunch. Even more obscure are the two albums he released prior to the Beatles breakup: "Wonderwall Music," parts of which might be considered interesting, and "Electronic Sound" which ranks right down there with some of John & Yoko's worst stuff, if not below. The most accurate description of Electric Sound I heard was "sounds like someone pissing on hot coals". You could put the needle down on the label and not tell the difference. Anyone else have either of these? I imagine that everything will now be reissued in the not too distant future. By the way, Dylan fans who don't own Concert for Bangla Desh *need* to. Side 5 is one helluva nice performance. - -rUss np: Cloud Nine...but I'm about ready for some Buzzcocks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 02:27:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re:GH Russ Reynolds wrote: > I imagine that everything will now be reissued in the not too distant > future. By the way, Dylan fans who don't own Concert for Bangla Desh > *need* to. Side 5 is one helluva nice performance. Concert for Bangla Desh is already up to be reissued in January in fact. not only the album, but also a DVD, and i think also a theatrical re-release (but i'm not terribly sure about the last thing). i know that around the ATMP reissue reading something about the whole catalog being done in the near future; i would imagine that George falling ill again derailed that (along with a release from the new material he's recorded over the past few years). i would imagine that as soon as Olivia and Dhani hire someone to oversee things (assuming that George himself hasn't already done so; for some reason i suspect he did), things will begin appearing on a fairly regular basis, thus crushing the hopes of the people trying to sell Traveling Wilbury CDs for $50 on the internet. ===== "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 02:31:14 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re:GH >Even more obscure are the two albums he released prior to the Beatles >breakup: "Wonderwall Music," parts of which might be considered interesting, >and "Electronic Sound" which ranks right down there with some of John & >Yoko's worst stuff, if not below. The most accurate description of Electric >Sound I heard was "sounds like someone pissing on hot coals". You could >put the needle down on the label and not tell the difference. Anyone else >have either of these? I have both. Though Wonderwall is in the "permanent" rack, and Electronic Sound is more in the "musical-curiosity/investment-to-sell-later" rack. I got Electronic Sound at a swapmeet a few years ago, on great-shape vinyl for just $7. Darn good deal. >By the way, Dylan fans who don't own Concert for Bangla Desh *need* >to. Side 5 is one helluva nice performance. Yeah...it is. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 02:32:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: George and Jools any opinions on the Jools Holland album with the new GH song on it? of the song itself? the album in general? preferrably from people who have the album and have heard it, of course. ===== "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 01:40:20 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: nanowrimonomo >Having wandered into the party a bit late, listening in a bit, jumping in >a couple of other, more obvious conversations, I return to this corner of >the room and find myself still puzzled; to wit: what the Flying >Thompson's Gazelle are you folks talking about? NaNoWriMoNoWri's? national novel writers' month novel writers. And since midnight at the end of Nov 30, it is NaNoWriMoNoMo'. Personally I hope they gather all the novels up and publish them under the imprint of "NaNoWriNo", for which they could use as a logo a very small member of the order Perissodactyla. They could even get Adrian Belew in to do play guitar at the official opening, or maybe get Block to play. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 04:45:59 -0800 (PST) From: Mitch Cullin Subject: Re: GH > Anyone have anything interesting (or even positive) > to say about the lesser-known GH albums? I've never > even bothered to hear Extra Texture, 33 1/3, > Somewhere in England, Gone Troppo, Dark Horse or > George Harrison. I probably would've bought 33 1/3 > or the self-titled > one if I had found them on used vinyl, but *now* > they're going to be impossible to find.... > >Eb Well, all you mentioned are a bit patchy, but not without one or two merits. Extra Texture: "You," "Tired Of Midnight Blue," & "World Of Stone." 33 1/3: "Crackerbox Palace," "It's What You Value," & "Woman Don't You Cry For Me." Somewhere In England: "All Those Years Ago," "Life Itself." Gone Troppo: almost nothing, except "Dream Away" which was featured at the end of Time Bandits, and a tepid version of his unreleased Beatle-era "Circles" (White Album demo is much better). Dark Horse: the wonderful "Dark Horse." George Harrison: "Blow Away," "Soft-Hearted Hana," and "Your Love Is Forever." None of the above equal the vastness of All Things Must Pass, or the pure pop of Cloud 9--but each has something good, and some that ain't. If you're inclined, track down his 1970 All Things Must Pass demos bootleg, just George and his guitar and Phil Spector recording the whole thing--lots and lots of songs not ever recorded for that big LP, and all performed well and casually. Mitch Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 11:13:16 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: GH >If you're inclined, track down his >1970 All Things Must Pass demos bootleg, just George >and his guitar and Phil Spector recording the whole >thing--lots and lots of songs not ever recorded for >that big LP, and all performed well and casually. > >Mitch That was the disc I listened to Friday morning on my way to work. Actually a number of bootlegs featuring ATMP material exist, the one you mentioned is Beware Of ABKO, in addition the following boots exist: Songs For Patti - (1 disc) An acetate of early ATMP mixes The Making Of All Things Must Pass - (3 discs) A fascinating set of early versions before all the orchestral overdubs. All Things Must Surface - (2 discs) Another acetate of a later, close to completed version of the album. It features a different running order and some unique mixes. Many Years From Now - (1 disc) An outstanding disc of material which also includes some Ringo. The majority of the songs are from the ATMP sessions including Deru Dun, which George strummed and sang on beatles Anthology but claimed he never recorded! It also has him doing Get Back with a guide vocal for Doris Troy, it's pretty funny. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:31:59 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re:GH (electronic sound) On 1 Dec 2001, at 23:50, Russ Reynolds wrote: > > Even more obscure are the two albums he released prior to the Beatles > breakup: "Wonderwall Music," parts of which might be considered > interesting, and "Electronic Sound" which ranks right down there with > some of John & Yoko's worst stuff, if not below. The most accurate > description of Electric Sound I heard was "sounds like someone pissing > on hot coals". You could put the needle down on the label and not > tell the difference. Anyone else have either of these? I have 3 copies, two still sealed. Pissing on hot coals? That's funny, but doesn't sound like what I heard. I heard: Harrison: "What is this thing?" Krause: "I dunno, but just grok on it." I've listened to it more than a few times. You must be willing to *grok* on it when listening. That is the only way it works. For those who haven't heard, it's two full sides of GH and BK making funny sounds with an early analogue synth-- same as you would if somebody left one at your house overnight. The synth output is fed to a tape echo and/or reverb. Anybody who can do that with urine after the bar-b-que is done gets free beer at my next yard party. Did you know bar-b-que means "bearded ass" here in Quebec? Well it almost does. - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:38:48 -0800 (PST) From: Timothy Reed Subject: Re: The Strokes New York City Cops is on the UK pressing, which has a 'Smell the Glove' style cover featuring a naked model wearing a black rubber glove. You can grab the song off Music City or buy it on one of their CD singles. Tim - --- Brian wrote: > So similiar that it's all the same songs in the same order, > except for a new one called New York City Cops. Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:40:25 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: Re:GH (electronic sound) > synth output is fed to a tape echo and/or reverb. Anybody who > can do that with urine after the bar-b-que is done gets free > beer at my next yard party. and if you can do that... urine trouble!! (yuk, yuk) > > Did you know bar-b-que means "bearded ass" here in Quebec? > Well it almost does. So Quebeck would mean something like "Ass gesture"? by french is a but rusty.... to me "Fric Chaud" sounds like "hote dog" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:13:38 -0000 From: "Rob" Subject: Re: The Strokes On 1 Dec 2001 at 22:38, Timothy Reed wrote: > New York City Cops is on the UK pressing, which has a 'Smell the Glove' > style cover featuring a naked model wearing a black rubber glove. You > can grab the song off Music City or buy it on one of their CD singles. > > Tim Alternatively, there's 'The Diff'rent Strokes' with their ep called 'This Isn't It' with a rather less sexy model on the cover. http://www.nme.com/reviews/story.htm?ID=9049 - -- Rob np Mull Historical Society - Loss-- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 13:18:55 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: GH >a tepid version of his >unreleased Beatle-era "Circles" (White Album demo is >much better). Huh...haven't heard that one. Either version. But this certainly isn't the first time Harrison's solo work has been described as "tepid." ;) > If you're inclined, track down his >1970 All Things Must Pass demos bootleg, just George >and his guitar and Phil Spector recording the whole >thing--lots and lots of songs not ever recorded for >that big LP, and all performed well and casually. What songs not recorded for that LP? I haven't even heard that rare song which was a bonus track on the recent reissue. I just can't bring myself to buy the reissue, based on the hideous colorized cover, the stupid idea of adding a crummy contemporary version of "My Sweet Lord" and the almost-as-stupid idea of adding bonus cuts in the middle of the track sequence. This morning, I listened to the local "Breakfast With the Beatles" radio show on KLSX. I've never ever listened to this program before, but I was hoping to hear some unheralded obscurities from Harrison's catalog. Well, I listened for over three hours, and there were exactly *three* songs which were "educational" for me: the new "Horse to Water" song (dull), "Here Comes the Moon" (haven't heard that in years...inessential) and "Deep Blue" (a Bangladesh-era B-side which had some kinda interesting contrasts between major and minor chords). That was about it. Kinda felt like I wasted my time. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 16:51:39 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: GH >From: Eb I just can't >bring myself to buy the reissue, based on the hideous colorized >cover, the stupid idea of adding a crummy contemporary version of "My >Sweet Lord" and the almost-as-stupid idea of adding bonus cuts in the >middle of the track sequence. > >Eb What songs added to the middle? Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:26:32 -0800 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: George albums >Anyone have anything interesting (or even positive) to say >about the lesser-known GH albums? I've never even >bothered to hear Extra Texture, 33 1/3, Somewhere in >England, Gone Troppo, Dark Horse or George Harrison. I >probably would've bought 33 1/3 or the self-titled one if >I had found them on used vinyl, but *now* they're going to >be impossible to find.... I think _33 1/3_ is grievously underrated. It's a great pop album, with some very sweet, quiet-ish songs on it, and a handful of more upbeat ones. A little tribute to Smokey Robinson here, a little "Crackerbox Palace" there, "This Song" is a corker - a genuinely funny bit of commentary on his getting sued over "My Sweet Lord". Looking at the tracklisting right now, there's not a single song on there that I don't like a lot. _Dark Horse_ and _Extra Texture_ I don't know nearly as well. The singles from those seem catchy, if lightweight, though the "Dark Horse" title track easily (for me) compares with some of his best stuff. "George Harrison" - the 1979 one - is nice but also not terribly consistent, though I like "Not Guilty" (though not as well as the bootlegged Beatles versions - it's a near musical clone of "I Me Mine" in that incarnation), "Blow Away" and "Faster" quite well, though the rest of the album has never been particularly memorable for me. Half of _Gone Troppo_ is also top-notch pop - the first side form the vinyl version, plus "Dream Away" - the song that plays over the end credits of "Time Bandits". Incidentally, I finally watched my DVD of _Time Bandits_ a few weeks ago (one of my favorite movies), and damned if "Dream Away" just doesn't bring tears to my eyes when it starts up. After the rather saddening end of the movie, this warm, major-chord (I think - dunno for sure, being just a drummer) cheerful song just melts me. (Damn, I guess I don't have _Somewhere in England_ on CD. Coulda sworn I did.) It's got a few good ones on it, but also seems pretty uneven. "All Those Years Ago" still yanks me straight back to the first time I heard it when it was new, but most of the rest of it hasn't exactly burrowed itself into my brain. I remember liking the almost-released preliminary version a bit better, even for the lack of "All Those Years Ago." da9ve NP - King Crimson 11/26/01 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:47:15 -0800 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: silent From: Jeff Dwarf >Subject: Re: >da9ve stovall wrote: >> >Nuppy >> > >> >PS: how do you pronounce Da9ve? >> >> Ah, the '9' is silent, you see. >> >> da9ve >> NP - George Harrison 33 1/3 > >sort of like Tom Lehrer's old friend Hen3ry, so they eventually had to >send off to the home for the bewildered, after writing the novel about >the necrophiliac who achieved his boyhood dream of becoming coroner... Exactly. (Except for that necrophiliac bit.) That's actually where I got the idea for the '9' back in college. Started using "da9ve" as my e-handle in 'bout '87, and it just stuck. More people probably know my by that name than I've actually ever met in person. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:25:29 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Death & the marketplace Some current Amazon sales rankings: All Things Must Pass = #1 The Best of George Harrison = #6 Living in the Material World = #69 Dark Horse = #148 Extra Texture = #199 The Concert for Bangladesh = #201 Wow. And the only reason that some other GH albums aren't ranked is that they're simply out of print. (Huh, I wouldn't have expected Cloud Nine to be unavailable, since it was such a big hit.) In any case, I just checked Amazon's GH page, and played the soundclips for Dark Horse and Extra Texture. Also read the customer reviews. Mmm...other than "You," I can't say that I was encouraged to dig deeper. But a few months ago, I passed up buying the self-titled album for a buck, and I've been regretting it ever since. Anyone like the Microphones? Amazon picks this as "Indie" album of the year, and the clips sounded pretty good to me. A bit surprised I haven't heard them before, though the name is familiar at least. Eb, chuckling that Amazon has a "10 Best Miscellaneous CDs of 2001" genre list posted :) np: Dream Theater's upcoming album (good gawd...a 42-minute suite? helllllp) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:43:03 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: help! gig identification/tape wearing out!! I went looking at the Asking Tree first, and I don't see a gig with this setlist. Somebody in grad school gave me a tape of a Robyn solo gig, mediocre sound, and these songs -- Clean Steve (with lots of references to "Bruce") Queen Elvis Balloon Man Sometimes I Wish I Was A Pretty Girl Wax Doll Ye Sleeping Knights Of Jesus Glass Hotel I Often Dream Of Trains A Globe Of Frogs Beautiful Girl Oceanside The Bones In The Ground I Got A Message For You Our beloved tape is finally starting to give out. HELP!!! What is this gig, and does anybody have another copy which could be put to tape or CD-R? dolph np: Can, "Yoo Doo Right" (I just now got my head together enough to listen to a Can CD after Michael Karoli passed, now George Harrison...) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 22:53:43 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: mon pays -- love it or kiss it. On 2 Dec 2001, at 10:40, bayard wrote: > So Quebeck would mean something like "Ass gesture"? Quebeck is spelled without a k. Bec means "kiss". I'm going to pretend I didn't read what you wrote, and that I'm not answering you right now. - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:20:32 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Go Ringo, no! You wouldn't be saying that, Larry, if you had had to sit through his entire Christmas album last year... a cringe fest at the very best... oof... Matt >From: "Larry O'Brien" >Hye man, don't dis Ringo, He's been more musically active than either >George or Paul with his All Star Band in recent years AND he kicked the >booze! Praise RINGO! > >-----Original Message----- >From: Walker, Charles [mailto:CWalker@roll.com] >Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 11:08 AM >To: 'fegmaniax@smoe.org' >Subject: George Walker Harrison - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #446 ********************************