From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #440 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, November 26 2001 Volume 10 : Number 440 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Dr Fegg ["Redtailed Hawk" ] margansa [grutness@surf4nix.com] James Joyce [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: important xtc message ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: James Joyce [Michael R Godwin ] Syd ["matt sewell" ] Re: James Joyce [grutness@surf4nix.com] Re: James Joyce ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: James Joyce ["Rob" ] Glass flesh, feg coming out of retirement [LDudich@ase.org] Rykodisk editions ["marcus slade" ] Re: Rykodisk editions [Ken Weingold ] Re: James Joyce [The Great Quail ] Shine on You Crazy Muzak ["Mike Wells" ] Dear Feg ["Redtailed Hawk" ] remy zero evening ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] love, theft, and fuzzyness [Ken Ostrander ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:49:15 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Dr Fegg Eleanore: >I was looking at my husbands bookshelf and saw this book: Dr. fegg's >encyclopedia of all world knowledge by terry jones and michael >palin....... Now -this- is important. Is there any mention in the book of why it's called Dr. Fegg's? And what - -is- all world knowledge? And--does Robyn get a cut of the take? Ahhhh, the game's playing footsies again Watson.:-) Kay A man's life of any worth is a continual allegory. John Keats _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:54:44 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: margansa >I'll skip replying to this thread, because the *last* time I >discussed names put through an anagrams engine, a certain flag-loving >New Zealander concluded that my middle name must be "Dolly." ;) hm. never even considered Dolly! I said it was Welsh (remember the strange "he Welsh are weird" thread?). Lloyd is a lot more Welsh than Dolly (but only if you pronounce it 'Chlewidd') James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:26:08 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: James Joyce All the news that's fit for quails at: James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:09:41 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: important xtc message steve wrote: > > http://www.xtcidearecords.co.uk/ > > The Idea Records site is up. and has very loud, annoying and distorted audio -- office surfers beware!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:27:12 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: they ARE giants! Wow, were TMBG fun last night! Any TMBG fans on the list may do well to contact me offlist, IYKWIM... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:00:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: James Joyce On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > All the news that's fit for quails at: > OK, I'm baffled. I thought that the expiry of copyright was triggered by the death of the author and took effect 50 years later (possibly extended by the EU to 80 years). I don't see how the fact that 250 words did not get published until years after the author's death affects this. Why did the judges decide otherwise? And why was a Dublin publisher being sued in the UK, anyway? - - Mike Godwin n.p. 'Golden Hair' (lyrics J Joyce, music R K Barrett) PS MRG is still reeling from Saturday's programme on Syd. I'll post some thoughts in due course. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:45:41 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Syd I know what you mean about the Syd doc - made this years TV licence worth it... great documentary, with Robyn an extra bonus! Thought what Robyn said about Syd's style, ie. creating thickets of words applies just as much to Robyn himself... despite not being a part of Pink Floyd or having any Syd remembrances per se, Chrissy & I decided that Robyn is doubtless the inheritor of this style... anyone care to coin a name for it? Glad Graham pissing Coxon didn't get to sing... the rest of Pink Floyd weren't too rocknroll - Roger Waters looks scarily like Richard Gere! Cheers Matt >PS MRG is still reeling from Saturday's programme on Syd. I'll post some >thoughts in due course. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:48:25 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com Subject: Re: James Joyce >On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: >> All the news that's fit for quails at: >> >>>06.stm> > >OK, I'm baffled. I thought that the expiry of copyright was triggered by >the death of the author and took effect 50 years later (possibly extended >by the EU to 80 years). I don't see how the fact that 250 words did not >get published until years after the author's death affects this. Why did >the judges decide otherwise? I think copyright can be extended by a writer's estate. But don't quote me on that (not until I've been dead 50 years, anyway). James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:05:14 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: James Joyce Michael R Godwin wrote: > > OK, I'm baffled. I thought that the expiry of copyright was triggered by > the death of the author and took effect 50 years later (possibly extended > by the EU to 80 years). I think we're death+70, and we might well get stuck with Sonny Bono's US legacy of death+90 (maybe longer for corporations, as opposed to Real People). There's some handy stuff linked from here: http://digital.library.upenn.edu/books/ on copyright. It's a mess. > I don't see how the fact that 250 words did not > get published until years after the author's death affects this. Why did > the judges decide otherwise? Because an unpublished work's "copyright timer" starts at date of first publication. So if you bang out a slight modification from an upublished MS, the copyright belongs to you (or the estate of the deceased). Cheap tricks like this allow us to claim copyright on the Complete Works of Oscar Wilde 'cos Merlin Holland edited in some previously unpublished bits of De Profundis from an MS in his possession. The Wilde estate is carefully scanning all online versions of the CWoOW for this new text, and has lawyers at their command. If some enterprising dude were to scan and OCR (or key) our edition such that they weren't reproducing our typography, they'd be in the clear as long as they missed out 'De Profundis'. > And why was a Dublin publisher being sued in the UK, anyway? EU-wide copyright law? That macmillan has UK & Ireland rights on Joyce? Who can say? > PS MRG is still reeling from Saturday's programme on Syd. I'll post some > thoughts in due course. I can do an MP3 transcription of Robyn's bit, but I think my TMBG show might take precedence. Oh, and a kind colleague gave me the Times supplement from Friday which has some more background on the story, and a recent (not as bad as you might expect) picture of RKB. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:29:41 -0000 From: "Rob" Subject: Re: James Joyce MRG wrote: On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > All the news that's fit for quails at: > >OK, I'm baffled. I thought that the expiry of copyright was triggered by the >death of the author and took effect 50 years later (possibly extended by >the EU to 80 years). I don't see how the fact that 250 words did not get >published until years after the author's death affects this. Why did the >judges decide otherwise? >And why was a Dublin publisher being sued in the UK, anyway? Under the old 1956 UK act copyright for new works published posthumously ran for 50 years from the date of first publication, regardless of when the author died. These 250 words first published in the 1970's fall under that law. The 'new' 1988 act has, I believe, stopped that for anything first published after 1st Aug 1989 (so newly published material can only rely on protection for 70 years from the author's death), but did have the effect of extending the 50 year term on anything already published to 70 years. And while we're on the subject of breaching copyright, does anyone know how one can edit video recordings made to hard disk using an ATI all-in- wonder card? I recorded something on Saturday night & would like to be able to extract the bit that people on here would be interested in. It's in mp2 format apparently, what would be a good format for it to be in? Any advice welcomed. - -- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:26:32 -0500 From: LDudich@ase.org Subject: Glass flesh, feg coming out of retirement Oh DC area fegs- It's greeat to see Glass Flesh 2 coming out now, with my old band, the Number Nine Line's swan song 'only the stones remain/ freeze' on it. I am thinking of picking up my axe again. So, if anybody out there needs a Robyn/Richard Thompson/Brian Eno style 2nd guitarist, I'd be game. I am living in Silver Spring after Dec 1st. Also, Bayard- how long is the CD release party running? I may try to get there before or after the IMF X-mas party the 15th. - -luther ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:28:23 From: "marcus slade" Subject: Rykodisk editions Could someone confirm for me that the Rykodisk pressings of the Soft Boys abums 1976-81 (cat number RCD 10234) and Invisible Hits (RCD 20233) are US pressings and not of UK origin. As far as I know Rykodisk doesn't release material in the UK, is this right? Thanks in advance, Marcus np Soft Boys - ....And How It Got There _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:50:25 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Rykodisk editions On Mon, Nov 26, 2001, marcus slade wrote: > Could someone confirm for me that the Rykodisk pressings of the Soft > Boys abums 1976-81 (cat number RCD 10234) and Invisible Hits (RCD > 20233) are US pressings and not of UK origin. As far as I know > Rykodisk doesn't release material in the UK, is this right? Considering I used to intern at Ryko and work with two former employees and talk to the former CEO fairly often, I think I can answer that. :) Ryko does (or did at least) indeed have a London office. Most of the catalog is released in both the US and UK. I have the 1976-81 US release. I don't know if there were UK releases of those. It depends on whether or not Ryko had the UK distribution. One of the guys here just said that it may have been a US-only license, but he's not sure. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:57:52 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: James Joyce Mike writes, >OK, I'm baffled. >And why was a Dublin publisher being sued in the UK, anyway? The real root of this problem lies with James Joyce's grandson, Stephen, who holds the reins of the estate in an iron grip. He is notorious for denying permission to use anything at all connected to Joyce, and he has a team of lawyers to back him up. The funny thing is that the rest of the Joyce clan are the opposite -- a fact that causes a lot of friction, because Stephen butts heads all the time with the branch of the family that runs the James Joyce Centre in Dublin. The fact of the matter is that most people now just ignore Stephen's nay-saying and hope that his 100 other legal battles causes him to wink at minor transgressions -- composers setting Joyce to music, excerpts of Joycana texts being used in other forms, plays and musicals based on Joyce's books, that sort of thing. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:57:57 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Shine on You Crazy Muzak So I'm right now I"m on hold enjoying an easy listening, light jazz version of "Shine on You Crazy Diamond." I had no idea they made music like this. (sfx: John Cleese's drunken film director Jimmy McRettin accent) GREET! It's FANTASTIC! Now maybe it's because I had "A Nice Pair" on perpetual loop while cleaning out the garage yesterday, or perhaps because I followed up with "Relics" on my way into work this morning, but I find this especially appalling. Not sure why I felt the need to share this, but I do feel better for having done so. Michael "Syd may not be alive, but he's not dead either" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:57:41 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Dear Feg A man's life of any worth is a continual allegory. John Keats Dear Feg, Im abit frustrated with one of my plots. Any suggestions are very welcome. Theres a male and female who sorta circle around each other but so far don't land. The female I've got abit of a handle on--she's shy with certain people, has bad eyesight and constantly doubts her own perceptions. It takes her awhile to process stuff. She wants to talk to the guy, who always seems to just appear out of the blue and then be gone. But he keeps reappearing, or people who are his double do(theres always that possibility), and she's puzzled, disappointed, hurt, angry, puzzled, sad, amused, bemused and, did I mention, puzzled? For one thing, she dosn't really know where the guy is coming from. Is it a cheap thrill to play with her mind? And if so--why? She's pretty unaveragly average. Is he trying to make contact and having a difficult time of it? What's going on? My imagination has blown a fuse. Some of you are guys out there. And some of you are females who understand guys(well, at least better than I do)--so, any suggestions for either action or motivation? Kay, typing away _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:27:47 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: remy zero evening > From: David Librik > RAYMOND > CHANDLER > EVENING Cool! Actually I've never read any Raymond Chandler. So I recently bought THE BIG SLEEP and THE LONG GOODBYE and am a couple of chapters in on the former. I finally heard the new Remy Zero, by the way, and it's astounding. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:32:00 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: love, theft, and fuzzyness saw zimmerman this weekend in boston and it was fabulous. the band was really tight and bob was taking the lion's share of the leads. he's quite the snappy dresser with a white suit. i love how he doesn't speak to the audience between songs. he would do a little kick to signal to the band the changes in a song and would aim his guitar at the audience like a gun. during the encore, you wonder as he's scratching his head behind the stage whether or not he's going to pull out another axe and another classic. he played for two and a half hours. during 'rainy day women' people were passing joints around like crazy as the song morphed into a swampy blues and then back to the more familiar melody. the crowd was very diverse. there were quite a lot of young people (high school and younger) there. it gives me hope. set list: http://www.execpc.com/~billp61/112401s.html the huge line outside went remarkably quickly. the check-in process wasn't all that thorough. >And how you can emphasize the Replacements' influence over >Lou Reed's, I dunno...I mean, the vocal on "The Modern Age" is such a >Lou affectation, it's almost offensive.... call it denial. though i tend to look at the world through lou-colored glasses and see the sprawling influence of the velvets everywhere, i maintain that i am reminded of the replacements (circa 1984) more often than i am reminded of lou. sorry i didn't articulate that very clearly. seriously though, you really nailed me on this one. i can't help wondering if this was building up for a while. ;^) i do think that both bands (the mats and the strokes) use both the chord and the riff methods you described. the strokes have their own thing going on that makes the whole album flow very well and builds on a myriad of influences; though anytime anyone compares one band to another, it can seem like an attempt to pigeonhole, rather than describe. those fuzzy guitars... ken "i will dare" the kenster np the coast is never clear beulah ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #440 ********************************