From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #429 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, November 13 2001 Volume 10 : Number 429 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Whose afraid of Henry's Woolf? [Christopher Gross ] 9:30 [The Great Quail ] I knew you were going to say that... [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan] The Lucksmiths & Candle Records [100% Aussie Music] [Tom Clark ] laptop advice, please! 0% robyn [tlr3@email.unc.edu (tom)] Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn [Tom Clark ] Re: 9:30 [hydra@voicenet.com] Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn ["Fric Chaud" ] When Harry met Frodo [steve ] Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn [Tom Clark ] Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn [Terrence Marks ] Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn [Ken Weingold ] Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn [Capuchin ] Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn [Capuchin ] Re: pete buck court case update [Michael R Godwin ] Re: N2 [Michael R Godwin ] Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn ["Fric Chaud" ] Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn [Christopher Gross ] Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn [Ken Weingold ] underwatermoonlight.com update [strange little woj ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:07:19 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Whose afraid of Henry's Woolf? Umm, was this another stray from the Pynchon List? Or did I miss something? - --Chris ps: And don't be so hard on the old 9:30 Club! It ... had character. It was famous as the world's smallest venue to have an obsctructed-view section. The smell was memorable. And it offered easy access to the FBI headquarters! ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:09:30 -0800 From: The Great Quail Subject: Ooops! I did it again! Aaaaaaaaaargh!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so very, very sorry! I am working at home today, because of the evacuation, and I forgot to take care of that nickname address-book problem!!!!! Please disregard yet another of my stupid mistakes! Needless to say, that was again meant for the Pynchon List, in response to a hippie parable about a loving wolf, and an anonymous poster spamming the List with (despite his name) inane anti-Pacifist, hyper-patriotic postings. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:11:59 -0800 From: The Great Quail Subject: 9:30 >The smell was memorable. Oh yes. Yes, yes, yes. So memorable it required incinerating your clothing after a concert. The smell was...was...better than Whisbih. - --Q ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:42:02 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: I knew you were going to say that... >>[...]I didn't have a good feeling about him doing >>that but I couldn't put my finger on why. Now I know. > >Yes, that's right. It's because you're PSYCHIC. Mm-hmm. > >Eb, who's not getting a "terrorism" vibe from the crash, at this point Hm. If you can pick up vibes, you must be psychic too! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:44:05 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: The Lucksmiths & Candle Records [100% Aussie Music] For the next 3.5 hours, the best radio station in the world is profiling Melbourne's Lucksmith's and their label, Candle Records. I'm not familiar with the band, but it's pretty interesting nonetheless. http://www.kfjc.org/ or http://www.kfjc.org/netcast.html - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:58:34 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: pastiches and Beatles >Damn it James, you also can write good pastiche? Scientists arent supposed >to be able to do that! :) Pastiche. Spelt p-a-s-t-i-c-h-e, pronounced 'piss-take'. Shameless self promotion time: I like doing pastiches. If you liked that Chaucerese, check out my website's "Treasurer's Report" page - . My favourite is the Dylan Thomas ("Under milk chocolate"). BTW, the first thorough check-through and update of the site should be finished in the next couple of days. >I was interested in the claim that Stu & Astrid invented the moptop >haircut and the collarless jacket. I find this hard to believe: when I >first saw the Beatles on TV in late 1962, my recollection is that they >were wearing straight rocker gear - you know, jeans, leathers and DAs: >definitely not suits anyway. I would stick with the view that Brian >Epstein 'cleaned up' their image. Both right. According to The Ultimate Beatles Encyclopedia (Bill Harry, Virgin Books, 1992), Astrid was responsible for the hairstyle, "shaping it across the forehead in a style which was then currently popular in France", and made Stuart a black corduroy lapel-less jacket in a style being popularised by Cardin. However, these were only used for their stage act - most of the time the Beatles continued to wear leather. The complete clean-up of the band was only completed by Brian Epstein - "[during 1962] Brian became utterly dedicated to the group and set about altering their image. Part of [his contract] read that Brian would 'advise the artists on all matters concerning clothes, make-up, and presentation and construction of the artists.'" James ("mostly, Leggy liked the trousers") James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:54:24 -0800 From: Eb Subject: N2 I originally wrote these comments for a private email, but then I thought, ehh, why not tweak them for public display? I know a few of you (Godwin, Terrence...) were trading views, a couple of months ago. I feel like I'm finally getting close to "digesting" the Nuggets II box. Damn, it's a lot of material to swallow. It gets fatiguing at times, because so much of it sounds similar. After awhile, you start to lose your critical bearings -- it seems like I enjoy a different subset of tunes, every time I play it. The good stuff from the relatively famous bands (the Creation, the Move, the Small Faces, Them, the Pretty Things...) is obvious, but I just thought I'd mention some of the lesser bands I liked. Sorry to say that a lot of the garage-punk stuff becomes kinda generic for me, and maybe my perspective deviates there. So many of the singers are interchangeable with that same anonymous, nasal snarl -- when a singer with a strong "presence" turns up (like, say, Van Morrison or Roy Wood), the track really stands out for me. Similarly, the few songs with good vocal harmonies tended to grab me, even though I suppose adding harmonies is sort of an obvious shortcut to pop appeal. The short list of my favorite obscurities is probably Fire/"Father's Name Was Dad," the Marmalade/"I See the Rain," the Misunderstood/"Children of the Sun," the Craig/"I Must Be Mad" (weird...a young Carl Palmer, and you can *tell* it's him), Les Fleur de Lys/"Circles" (a Who cover, of course...and Townshend's shadow hangs pretty heavily over this box), Sands/"Listen to the Sky" and the Acid Gallery/"Dance Around the Maypole" (although this is practically a Move song, so perhaps more obvious). Some other new-to-me acts which I enjoyed: Scrugg, the La Dee Das, the Action, Kaleidoscope (I didn't know there were *two* Kaleidoscopes), Wimple Winch, Ronnie Burns (with the Bee Gees), Timebox, the Mascots, the Primitives, Cuby & the Blizzards, the Twilights, the Bluestars, the Open Mind, Dantalion's Chariot (Andy Summers, wow!!), Los Shakers, Thor's Hammer, Winston's Fumbs (that song is so cheesy, it cracks me up), the Birds, the Majority and Blossom Toes. Overall, I definitely like the first Nuggets box better, but I'm not really "disappointed" with this box, since it's so obviously straining to go out on a limb and find the forgotten stuff. I had some lowered expectations. The liner note amaze me, and not only because of the extensive research. I'm not sure I could find *that* many different ways to describe tracks which are generally so very much alike. Someone really wore out his thesaurus. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:58:51 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: tlr3@email.unc.edu (tom) Subject: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn hi folks, i was wondering if anyone would care to share advice about laptops. i know this is hardly on-topic, but as a mostly-lurking fella i've managed to work out that a lot of fegs like their computers. here are some specifics: - --would prefer it be cheapish (less than $1500--although if there's an educational discount, i can get that) - --would prefer performance over lightness (if that's an issue) - --wouldn't be doing any massive stuff (e.g., lots of graphics or big games or anything) - --would mostly be doing word processing and data analysis (spss) - --wouldn't mind if it happened to have a dvd drive i suppose it would be best to give me suggestions off-list, unless perhaps a debate over laptops would be refreshing after all the recent socio-political debates. any and all suggestions welcome, although i suppose i should reveal a strong bias against ibm thinkpads--my university has a contract with ibm, and i've been less than impressed. . . thanks! tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:17:38 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn on 11/12/01 4:58 PM, tom at tlr3@email.unc.edu wrote: > > --would prefer it be cheapish (less than $1500--although if there's an > educational > discount, i can get that) > --would prefer performance over lightness (if that's an issue) > --wouldn't be doing any massive stuff (e.g., lots of graphics or big games or > anything) > --would mostly be doing word processing and data analysis (spss) > --wouldn't mind if it happened to have a dvd drive > iBook. but you all knew I would say that... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:31:52 US/Eastern From: hydra@voicenet.com Subject: Re: 9:30 > >The smell was memorable. > > Oh yes. Yes, yes, yes. So memorable it required incinerating your > clothing after a concert. The smell was...was...better than Whisbih. ..but not half as refreshing, and with only half of your R.D.A. of carcinogens! Jon - --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Voicenet WebMail. http://www.voicenet.com/webmail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:02:44 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn Come on, Tom! The guy's trying to save some money. Apple is not famous for its dollar/performance ratio, unless you're talking about Photoshop, but TLR3 said he doesn't want to do high-end graphics. Every time I see hardware or software in the stores, the Apple version (if you can get one) costs more. TLR3 said "cheapish". One could argue that Apple products are the very best for some applications, but for an office app workhorse? The only other thing I can offer is a warning that my employer's Compaq laptops have gone back for repairs over and over again. I certainly wouldn't buy one. I'd find a good laptop hardware review site or two and read for awhile. It will take you a bit longer to find your answer, but you'll be more satisfied with your decision if it really is yours. So what's a good guitar? I've read on usenet that Fender guitars suck. PS: I'm not posting again until it's on-topic. Well, maybe if it's another bad joke. On 12 Nov 2001, at 17:17, Tom Clark wrote: > on 11/12/01 4:58 PM, tom at tlr3@email.unc.edu wrote: > > > > > --would prefer it be cheapish (less than $1500--although if there's > > an educational discount, i can get that) --would prefer performance > > over lightness (if that's an issue) --wouldn't be doing any massive > > stuff (e.g., lots of graphics or big games or anything) --would > > mostly be doing word processing and data analysis (spss) --wouldn't > > mind if it happened to have a dvd drive > > > > iBook. > > but you all knew I would say that... > > -tc - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:10:40 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn ibook :) TC where are u on this one? Herbie - --- tom wrote: > hi folks, > > i was wondering if anyone would care to share advice > about laptops. i know this is > hardly on-topic, but as a mostly-lurking fella i've > managed to work out that a lot of > fegs like their computers. here are some specifics: > > --would prefer it be cheapish (less than > $1500--although if there's an educational > discount, i can get that) > --would prefer performance over lightness (if that's > an issue) > --wouldn't be doing any massive stuff (e.g., lots of > graphics or big games or > anything) > --would mostly be doing word processing and data > analysis (spss) > --wouldn't mind if it happened to have a dvd drive > > > i suppose it would be best to give me suggestions > off-list, unless perhaps a debate > over laptops would be refreshing after all the > recent socio-political debates. > > any and all suggestions welcome, although i suppose > i should reveal a strong bias > against ibm thinkpads--my university has a contract > with ibm, and i've been less than > impressed. . . > > thanks! > > tom Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:33:56 -0600 From: steve Subject: When Harry met Frodo You knew this had to happen - - - Steve __________ A New York Times investigation into overseas ballots that helped George W. Bush win the presidency found that Florida election officials, facing intense GOP pressure to accept military votes, counted hundreds of overseas absentee ballots that failed to comply with state election laws. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:33:29 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn Dude said: - - Less than $1500, plus he can get an edu discount - - Preferably has some horsepower - - Wouldn't mind a DVD drive So... iBook w/ DVD $1499 retail o 600MHz G3 o 128MB SDRAM - built-in o 15GB Ultra ATA drive o DVD-ROM drive I use a PowerBook in a Windows & Linux dominated office and I have less problems than my Toshiba & IBM toting co-workers. That's all there is to it. The guy wanted a solution, and I offered one within his parameters. - -tc on 11/12/01 5:02 PM, Fric Chaud at FricChaud@videotron.ca wrote: > Come on, Tom! The guy's trying to save some money. Apple is > not famous for its dollar/performance ratio, unless you're talking > about Photoshop, but TLR3 said he doesn't want to do high-end > graphics. > > Every time I see hardware or software in the stores, the Apple > version (if you can get one) costs more. TLR3 said "cheapish". > > One could argue that Apple products are the very best for some > applications, but for an office app workhorse? > >> on 11/12/01 4:58 PM, tom at tlr3@email.unc.edu wrote: >> >>> >>> --would prefer it be cheapish (less than $1500--although if there's >>> an educational discount, i can get that) --would prefer performance >>> over lightness (if that's an issue) --wouldn't be doing any massive >>> stuff (e.g., lots of graphics or big games or anything) --would >>> mostly be doing word processing and data analysis (spss) --wouldn't >>> mind if it happened to have a dvd drive ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:32:02 -0500 From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn My advice, as an IBM technical support agent... Make sure you get something with a floppy drive, or at least the option of one. You won't need it often, but there's situations where it's really handy. The more modular, the better. If you get a non-modular system, make sure you get a good warranty. Don't buy an IBM I-series (they're crap). Or an X-series (you pay a few hundred dollars extra to lose a bunch of features make it 2 pounds lighter, then pay $200 so you can get the 3-pound attatchment to put those features back on). - -- Terrence Marks http://www.unlikeminerva.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 00:35:30 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 10:32 PM, Terrence Marks wrote: > Make sure you get something with a floppy drive, or at least the option > of one. You won't need it often, but there's situations where it's > really handy. How last century. M$/Intel have decreed that the new PC standard is pretty much like a Mac. Goodbye floppy drive and legacy connectors on most models within a few months. - - Steve __________ At the same time he was selling U.S. secrets to the Soviet Union, former FBI special agent Robert Philip Hanssen was a key supervisor in a 1980s domestic-spying program questioning the loyalty of American citizens and monitoring their activities, newly obtained FBI documents show. - Dann & Kennedy, L.A. Times ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 02:47:08 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn On Mon, Nov 12, 2001, tom wrote: > i was wondering if anyone would care to share advice about laptops. i know this is > hardly on-topic, but as a mostly-lurking fella i've managed to work out that a lot of > fegs like their computers. here are some specifics: > > --would prefer it be cheapish (less than $1500--although if there's an educational > discount, i can get that) > --would prefer performance over lightness (if that's an issue) > --wouldn't be doing any massive stuff (e.g., lots of graphics or big games or > anything) > --would mostly be doing word processing and data analysis (spss) > --wouldn't mind if it happened to have a dvd drive I know I have ranted before about this, but I HATE Sony Vaios and would NEVER buy one. I love Sony TVs and other stuff, but think their computers suck. I think Dells are really nice. I used to work at NEC in Portable Systems Engineering, and they used to be good, but I don't think they are anymore. We did get so many OSs running on them playing around, though. Solaris x86, Rhapsody, OpenStep, and more. One thing you should keep in mind is whether you like the pencil eraser mouse or the touch pad. I prefer the touch pad. IBMs have the pensil eraser. Not sure about Toshibas, but they are supposed to be really good. Btw, guys, I bought a Mac G4 for home! I'm having too much fun with OS X. So much like NeXT Step it's scary. Still hate 9. And it looks pretty damn cool networked to my Sun and the PC. Anyway, good luck. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 00:17:30 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Fric Chaud wrote: > Come on, Tom! The guy's trying to save some money. Apple is not > famous for its dollar/performance ratio, unless you're talking about > Photoshop, but TLR3 said he doesn't want to do high-end graphics. Well, you gotta admit, that titanium one is about the coolest portable computer ever made. > Every time I see hardware or software in the stores, the Apple version > (if you can get one) costs more. TLR3 said "cheapish". That's what you get for running commercial software. All that and no source. Pshh. > One could argue that Apple products are the very best for some > applications, but for an office app workhorse? Actually, the only application he even hinted at was watching DVDs (and that wasn't too overt). But to respond to the Other Tom: In my experience with laptops, it's all come down to one thing: battery life. You can deal with it being a little slow bringing up a GUI, it might be a touch jerky on the full-screen full-motion MPEGs, and I can get used to any pointer device over time... But if it dies between the bus mall and Gresham Transit Center, I'm going to be pissed. Weight is also a concern... and how well it balances on your lap when the train is starting and stopping. That said, I liked my old NEC Versa until something went crazy with the power regulator (that's my guess, anyway) and now it won't stay up for more than fifteen minutes without being tethered to the wall outlet. It's in the living room now and one of these days I'm going to hook it up to the stereo to play MP3s from the fileserver (which I'm building as I type this). Although the long-term goal is to get one of those touch-screen LCDs for that and write a custom app for music selection. I'll have to find stereo components that can be controlled via serial ports, though. There aren't too many amplifiers on the market with RS-232, though. (While searching the net a while back, I found a device that was the size of a laptop, and contained a reasonably fast Intel processor, EIGHT serial ports, two parallel ports, and a touchscreen that worked as a regular PS/2 pointer. Man, THAT is the system to make into your new stereo controller.) J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 00:20:14 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, steve wrote: > How last century. M$/Intel have decreed that the new PC standard is > pretty much like a Mac. Goodbye floppy drive and legacy connectors on > most models within a few months. That's what people who are trying to sell you software will say. Personally, I wouldn't buy a machine that couldn't boot from a removable, rewritable device. I'm not burning a CD every time I want to make a rescue disk. What a flippin' hassle. But they're just out to make sure you keep running their commercial crap and have as little power as they can get away with giving you. The PC of the future isn't a general purpose computer at all, but an entertainment console with exactly the features necessary to allow you to pay-per-view and seek related branded merchandise. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:42:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: pete buck court case update On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Walker, Charles wrote: > tales of peter buck trying to insert cd's into a muffin on a plane: > http://uk.news.yahoo.com/011112/4/cfahi.html "Buck denies being drunk on an aircraft last April, two counts of common assault involving cabin services manager Mario Agius and stewardess Holly Ward, and one charge of damaging British Airways crockery". My guess is he'll get off the common assault charges, but for damaging BA crockery? 3 months at least! - - MR ("psychic sentence-forecasts a speciality") G ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:07:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: N2 Just an odd point or two on Eb's Nuggets 2 remarks: Dantalian's Chariot were Zoot Money's Big Roll Band (a big soul/ R&B outfit) transmuted into a psychedelic group. IIRC, Andy Summers was 15 at the time he joined them. I never saw DC, but they had a very good live reputation. ZM was / is a long-time ligger on the London scene. He introduced Hendrix to a lot of London musicians, he appears on Peter Green's strange 'End of the Game' album, and I think I've seen him both with Kevin Ayers and with Kevin Coyne. The Action were another well-known group on the London live circuit who were always being tipped as the next big thing, but never made it. I have a feeling that they had high hopes with a ska-ish version 'Hi ho silver lining', but Jeff Beck got the hit. Lead singer Reg King may have made a comeback / written a book / done something or other / quite recently. They turned into psychedelic band Mighty Baby, and they have some sort of connection with the Blossom Toes / Centipede / Julie & Keith Tippett crowd. - - Mike Godwin PS Totally agree about 'Day for Night' (La Nuit Americaine). Great fun! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 06:16:13 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn > On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, steve wrote: > > How last century. M$/Intel have decreed that the new PC standard is > > pretty much like a Mac. Goodbye floppy drive and legacy connectors > > on most models within a few months. Piffle! That's like saying Fram has decreed that cars will all have whitewall tires. M$/Intel/AMD (don't forget them!) are unable to dictate whether you'll find a floppy in a PC laptop made by NEC, Compac, or a dozen other manufacturers. Apple (another greedy corporate entity like M$ and Intel -- don't kid yourselves) sells you a happy-meal computer. If they decide cookies are out and hot apple pies are in, that's what you're getting. Isn't it true that they're going to force you to buy LCD screens with their new boxes whether you want them or not? Laptops are happy-meal sort of things. I built my desktop from components manufactured and purchased from diverse sources -- according to my needs. - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:23:03 -0500 From: strange little woj Subject: robyn to appear in bbc production amanda howard associates , who appears to be the talent agency representing robyn now, reports on their main page (down at the bottom) that he will be appearing in the bbc film adaptation of tony parsons' "man & boy". on their client page for him , they say that he will be starring in film. thanks to ian greaves for pointing this out. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:41:44 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Fric Chaud wrote: > Apple (another greedy corporate entity like M$ and Intel -- don't > kid yourselves) No one denies that (if "greedy" = "hoping to make a profit"). But some of us think they are a greedy corporate entity that happens to make excellent products. (Unlike Microsoft.) > getting. Isn't it true that they're going to force you to buy LCD > screens with their new boxes whether you want them or not? Apple only makes LCD monitors now, but AFAIK you can still buy a third-party monitor to go with your Mac. My employer just bought a bunch of spiffy new G4s (for the students, of course, not for me) and attached bland beige CRT monitors to them. None of this, of course, helps Tom choose a laptop. Indeed, I have nothing useful to say at all. Oh, well.... - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:57:59 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn On Tuesday, November 13, 2001, at 05:16 AM, Fric Chaud wrote: > Piffle! That's like saying Fram has decreed that cars will all have > whitewall tires. M$/Intel/AMD (don't forget them!) are unable to > dictate whether you'll find a floppy in a PC laptop made by > NEC, Compac, or a dozen other manufacturers. Not correct, M$ & Intel put out a paper on hardware standards something like once a year. You can see them reported by C/Net and the like. I guess they don't go around with a gun, but what you gonna do when the dominant OS and motherboard duopoly says no more PS/2? - - Steve __________ If anyone has ever benefited from what Bush has called "the bigotry of soft expectations," it's George W. Bush himself. - Mark Crispin Miller ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:48:02 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: laptop advice, please! 0% robyn On Tue, Nov 13, 2001, Fric Chaud wrote: > Piffle! That's like saying Fram has decreed that cars will all have > whitewall tires. My track car will look sweeeeeeeeeeet with whitewalls! Whitewall R compounds. Imagine the possibilities. > Apple (another greedy corporate entity like M$ and Intel -- don't > kid yourselves) sells you a happy-meal computer. If they decide > cookies are out and hot apple pies are in, that's what you're > getting. Isn't it true that they're going to force you to buy LCD > screens with their new boxes whether you want them or not? No, I am using my 19" Trinitron with the new G4 I got. The Nvidia card that comes with it has two connectors, a VGA and the ADC (or whatever that Apple one is). - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:11:33 -0500 From: strange little woj Subject: underwatermoonlight.com update 11/11/2001 Another show has been added in December, or rather a "live rehearsal." We're not altogether sure what that means but we do know it'll be at Northampton Roadmender on the 5th. woj ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #429 ********************************