From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #426 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, November 10 2001 Volume 10 : Number 426 Today's Subjects: ----------------- The Fegman's tale [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: compu-Q ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: compu-Q [Ken Weingold ] RE: Burning 4 You [bayard ] Re: compu-Q [Capuchin ] Re: Lyrical Modulations (100% RH) [Capuchin ] Re: compu-Q [Ken Weingold ] Re: Wiping ["Fric Chaud" ] Re: Burning 4 You ["Fric Chaud" ] RE: Burning 4 You [Mike Swedene ] Lyrics? (100% RH) [Mike Swedene ] GWU show in 92 ["Marc Holden" ] re: ebspirit revisited [Johnathan Vail ] Band Names(was ebspirit revisited) ["Maximilian Lang" ] The State of the Feglist [The Great Quail ] Re: Band Names(was ebspirit revisited) [Greg Shell ] Music and politics ["Fric Chaud" ] Re: Band Names [Eb ] friends in low place [Greg Shell ] Quasi [The Great Quail ] the curse of Lady Mondegreen [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: loves me loves me not [Eleanore Adams ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 11:34:24 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: The Fegman's tale >I deplore all this decadent modernist pseudo-poetry! From now on, I urge >everyone to post strictly in Augustan heroic couplets. Old English >alliterative verse is acceptable too. hmph. Whan Novaumbre cam agayn Fegmaniax with muche disteyn Forsak the prose for satnzas mental Desined in styl mock-Oriental 5 Thenn more did scryb in outher ways Deligting alle with turgid lays Inscripted in mode they thougt best Trochee, iamb, and anapaest The thredde was laung but entertayn'd 10 Those fegs who, if theyr witte remayn'd Disdeyn'd fram scrolling past the rimes And laught at our poetic crymes But now this thredde is running low And our feg friends are wont to go 15 To subjects that they know will pleas - Politicks and crann berries, And novels writ and CDs burnt And musick hear'd and news juste learnt And maybe once in a blue moone 20 Some write about a Hitchcock tune Which is meet come, and is the gryst - The reason for this mailing lyst This does complete this Fegman's tale So back to Eb and Jeme and Quayl 25 Who mayhap argue, disagree But are in this communitie Of feggyfolk who seeme to be As one grayt familie to me! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:34:49 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: compu-Q >From: bayard > >is there a good non-proprietary way of doing includes in a web page? i >mean something that does not involve frontpage webbots or dreamweaver >templates, etc? Well, the Java Server Pages (JSP) methodology isn't proprietary (IIRC). You've got plenty of open-source JSP server applications (TomCat and so on) to run it with. If you use that, and JSP 1.1, you can do an include with: PHP offers something similar too, I'm sure. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:57:42 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: compu-Q On Fri, Nov 9, 2001, bayard wrote: > is there a good non-proprietary way of doing includes in a web page? i > mean something that does not involve frontpage webbots or dreamweaver > templates, etc? Is SSI (server-side includes) proprietary, as long as it is enabled on the server? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:03:02 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: RE: Burning 4 You Plextor has made the best CDR drives for a little while now. the TDK "veloCD" is also outstanding - it's rumored to be the same hardware. And of course Yamaha has a venerable reputation. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:14:59 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: compu-Q On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, bayard wrote: > is there a good non-proprietary way of doing includes in a web page? > i mean something that does not involve frontpage webbots or > dreamweaver templates, etc? SSI is probably your best... server-side includes. It's the oldest way to do such things. You could use a php interpreter. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:16:37 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Lyrical Modulations (100% RH) On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Poole, R. Edward wrote: > what are your favorite in-concert lyric changes? Flavour of Night: "Eyes, you don't trust, but fingers have beckoned How long you got left? About forty-five seconds" J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 18:19:05 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: compu-Q On Fri, Nov 9, 2001, Capuchin wrote: > On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, bayard wrote: > > is there a good non-proprietary way of doing includes in a web page? > > i mean something that does not involve frontpage webbots or > > dreamweaver templates, etc? > > SSI is probably your best... server-side includes. > > It's the oldest way to do such things. Dammit. These are now two things already today that Jeme and I have agreed on. I'm depressed. :) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:13:01 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: Wiping On 9 Nov 2001, at 18:21, Redtailed Hawk wrote: > Journaling > > "I" hate having to use "I" all the time. Keeping a journal makes "me" > feel like a "self-important git"(which "I" am, but "I" dont want to > -feel- like "I" am.) And once you start to create a character they > pick up stuff, they become a suprise. "I" like that. "I" can be a > prison. Try "hir" instead. That one always cracks me up! - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:32:35 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: Burning 4 You On 9 Nov 2001, at 14:53, Mike Wells wrote: > Any recommendations on SCSI burners? Good luck with certain > manufacturers? Haikus? www.storagereview.com is a good place to look. Check the "leaderboard" for a very quick take on the best they've tested in each category. Then burn some Robyn Hitchcock live sets and send them to me if you're happy with your purchase. - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:37:55 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: RE: Burning 4 You I myself have gone through a few scsi drives.... it all started with the HP6X2 drive (lasted about 4 years) and my current YAMAHA 4x4x16 which only burns to odd cd brands. not sure why. I like my IDE one I have a mitsui and an ide yamaha. herbie - --- Brian Huddell wrote: > On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Mike Wells wrote: > > Any recommendations on SCSI burners? Good luck > with certain > > manufacturers? > > I went through 3 IDE drives before I settled on a > SCSI Plextor -- two > years of faithful service so far. Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:29:35 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Lyrics? (100% RH) So i am sitting there in Mythology class. the professor is a HUGE Dali fan, and he is showing slides that are inspired by the GK work METAMORPHOSES by Ovid. He flashes a slide on the projector and calls it: "Daddy Longlegs of the Evening... Hope!, 1940" And the professor says "This is a painting with the tree where the Golden Fleece was held for Jason...yada yada yada... however the person hanging in place of the fleece is Dali himself as a Cellist." Lights go on in my head. "And once when she was very young She saw a cellist being hung Thirteen men with long black heads" - -Sleeping With Your Devil's mask So I looked it up.... And the painting is in one of Robyn's favorite places to sing about St. Petersburg, Florida. Any thoughts that he may have been singing about someone he knows? Maybe Michelle? The painting can be found here: http://171.64.54.94/dali/images/1940_01.jpg Just a thought, Oh well.... Herbie Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 02:07:12 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: GWU show in 92 It was definitely Lisner Auditorium, rather than Gelman--02/01/92 ROBYN HITCHCOCK & THE EGYPTIANS/HOUSE OF FREAKS/MATTHEW SWEET LISNER AUDITORIUM, D.C.. The whole chickens landing at the airport story was one of the funniest things I've ever heard him tell. >"Let's do it the *old fashioned* way > by plugging it in." His guitar came on > and they did the song. >Would he plan an accident? I think the stall for time was legitimate--he seemed to be having trouble with an effect pedal or a connection between peddles. After a tech fiddled with it for 8+ minutes, Robyn suggested by-passing the peddles and just plugging the guitar directly into the amp. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 06:45:40 -0500 From: Johnathan Vail Subject: re: ebspirit revisited From: Eb >The 21-year-old daughter of former U.S. President Bill Clinton and senator >Hillary, said questions about whether Osama bin Laden was behind the >attacks, and scepticism over America's humanitarian commitment to >Afghanistan, made her "bristle." - --- OK, so I'm still thinking "insane" at this point. BandName: Bristling Hillary ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 08:08:42 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Band Names(was ebspirit revisited) >>Band Name: Bristling Hillary you mean: Bristling Chelsea? I always liked: The Insidious Itch Or: Moondoggy's Reefer and: The Judicious E.Q. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 06:49:45 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: a mucky haiku > Queen of Eyes question > Is it Mucky or Bucky? > I bet Eddie knows. Once we asked the man Robyn said it was "Mucky" Good enough for me. - -rUss, former Bucky Party chairman (of course at the Fillmore he clearly said....) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:10:36 -0800 From: The Great Quail Subject: The State of the Feglist Acttually, I agree with Eb that some of the life has been sucked out of the List since the election. The Feglist is a different place than it was a few years ago. There are probably many reasons for this, comings and goings, shifts in general mood and taste, the lack of a sequel to Titanic. But I firmly believe that a large part of this is the politicization of the List following the election. The Feg List, to the best of my knowledge, has always had a political element, and has welcomed and fostered debate. But something soured around the time of the elections, which tri-polarized the List -- Naderites, Democrats, Those Who Didn't Care. Reasonable discussion broke down, and things began to get personal. Arguments were no longer constrained to the level of personal spats, but seemed to have a more insidious Us vs. Them characteristic. I think the List has not yet recovered from this, and September 11 drove a wedge even deeper into the merry balloon/granfaloon the List used to be. First of all, loud and clear: I am not protesting the occasional political debate. Nor am I lamenting personal feuds, which can often bring energy and amusement to the List. I am talking about the recent climate of "anti-globalist" rhetoric which has unequivocally altered the tone of the List. I take partial responsibility for this. I did attack some people, and I got personal ("It's high time you shut the fuck up," to Capuchin, and so on); I even dropped off for a few weeks to cool down. However, and I know what I am about to say may only be more divisive, but for some of us, I feel like it is the proverbial elephant in the room no one is talking about. A large reason that I feel the list has "deflated" is because I no longer sense a freewheeling atmosphere in which to post without so quickly drawing the ire of the anti-globalist Left, Capuchin in particular; though there are certainly a few more. (Though *not* Eddie, anarchist though he is, he generally keeps politics to politics, and partakes in welcome discussions.) On one level, it is almost impossible to post anything about current events without drawing an immediate and generally arrogant response. That's fine; and probably can be expected. But on a more pervasive level, I have been feeling a reluctance to post about almost anything not directly Robyn related. If you post about seeing movies or watching television, anti-Hollywood rhetoric follows. If you post about buying anything, you trigger anti-consumerism rhetoric. It's hard to talk about electronics, DVDs, MP3s, or things of that nature, without walking into the Intellectual Property Rights minefield. You can't even write goofy haikus without calling down a humorless rain of sanctimony. Of course, you are welcome to reply to such responses. But that *so* easily leads into endless threads, many of which forsake reasonable discussion for browbeating, personal attacks on one's lifestyle, or smug lecturing. And that gets frustrating. And if you try to derail that, you are accused of ducking the issue. If you try to protest, the question is raised, "Why *can't* we talk about politics?" Which all too often sounds more like, "You are so wrong, you horrible American consumer, why aren't you glad that we are here to set you right?" The fact is, sometimes no one is *asking* to be "set right." A lot of times you just want to make a post without triggering a politicized response! But of course, to the far Left, *everything* is political, and therefore fair game. The closest analogy I can draw would be religion. I feel as if the List had a vocal contingency of obnoxious born-again Christians. To them, everything is a moral issue, and therefore they feel that it's their duty to "enlighten" people regarding the "correct" views. And if you try to argue, all-too easily to become the target of half-assed one-sided rhetoric. It's just not worth it! It kills the spirit of free, and dare I say, often trivial discourse! (Ironically enough, the List has several born-again Christians, all who completely refrain from this sort of distasteful behavior. I feel bad even using this as an example.) And again, I am not talking about the occasional political discussion. I am talking about the slow and seemingly inevitable politicization of almost every aspect of the List. *That's* what I believe Eb means by the "Nader clique killing the spirit of the List." I for one feel reluctant to post anything that reveals I am a middle-class American consumer in a capitalist nation; one who *likes* buying music and watching movies! And worse still, one who would actually like to talk about stupid shit once in a while without having a bunch of left-wing statistics shoved down my throat. As Drew recently stated, it's condescending, and believe it or not, some of us are quite politically minded and have other outlets. If your goal is to make the rest of the list feel terrible for participating in a society that you have somehow managed to transcend; perhaps you should ask yourself, Why? Why am I doing this? Here, on a Robyn Hitchcock List? Flame at will. - --Quail - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.TheModernWord.com "All visible objects, man, are but as pasteboard masks. But in each event -- in the living act, the undoubted deed -- there, some unknown but still reasoning thing puts forth the mouldings of its features from behind the unreasoning mask. If man will strike, strike through the mask! How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall?" --Herman Melville, "Moby Dick" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 12:37:49 -0600 From: Greg Shell Subject: Re: Band Names(was ebspirit revisited) At Saturday, 10 November 2001, "Max" wrote: >you mean: Bristling Chelsea? How about: Chelsea Bristle That's kind of erotic. gSs =end of email=== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 12:31:05 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Music and politics Does "Sometime in New York City" rock or what? - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 12:17:03 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Band Names >>>Band Name: Bristling Hillary > >you mean: Bristling Chelsea? > >I always liked: The Insidious Itch > > Or: Moondoggy's Reefer > > and: The Judicious E.Q. I don't know a *thing* about the band yet, but I recently heard about a group out there called "Dinner is Ruined." That's the best name I've heard in quite awhile! Word up to Quail, Eb now wishing he wasn't ehh on: Dilated Peoples ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:27:37 GMT From: Greg Shell Subject: friends in low place It's nice to have friends in the right places. (CNN) -- Saying that innocent women, men and children are being subjected "to blind wrath, misnamed as a holy war," Iranian President Mohammad Khatami Friday delivered indirect criticism of the the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. Speaking at a United Nations-sponsored symposium at Seton Hall University, Khatami said that "an obscure misrepresentation of Islam terrorizes the world." http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/11/09/khatami.taliban/index.html gSs =end of email=== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:35:30 -0800 From: The Great Quail Subject: Quasi Last night I saw Stereolab at Irving "Worst Venue on the East Coast since the Old 9:30 Club" Plaza. They were pretty awesome; the first time I have seen them. I was quite happy. HOWEVER; when I got there I discovered to my surprise that Quasi was the opening band. I have only read about Quasi from the List, I knew they were a popular Feg band. Something about a chick from Sleater Kinney, yadda yadda. I assumed they were a normal alternarock group, but being so highly recommended, I was interested to see them. So I bought their shirt before the concert started -- bright orange, with a platypus drawing. I couldn't resist! It was tris Robynisque. But the band? OK, a two person band? A divorced husband and wife, one playing mad Keith Emerson meets Frankenstein keyboards, the other an *amazing* drummer? Pieces that alternated between twisted songs and mind-pounding bass-heavy near-proggie instrumentals? And then the keyboard is exchanged for a guitar and a space rock period ensues? A-and then the guy humps his own keyboard and falls over??? WHY DIDN'T ANYONE TELL THE QUAIL ALL THIS?!?!? Happily, - --Qualsi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 10:20:50 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: the curse of Lady Mondegreen Was driving along in the car, listening to a tape of Sonny Terry and Brownie McGhee, and thinking to myself "why are they singing about 'that old Andy Warhol???'". The name of the song? "That hole in the wall". James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:39:30 -0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: loves me loves me not I think you are right - I think it was closer to the hippies than the new daisy bombs out there - but I forgot about those hippies! The song is on the Star for Bram, and i agree, the West Wing this week was very good! e dmw wrote: > i only vaguely remember 'daisy bomb' -- that never got released anywhere, > did it? but i think y'all are offbase with the weapons bit, i think it's > a reference to the (semi-mythical?) image of pretty young hippies putting > flowers in the barrels of natioanl guardsmen's rifles, and an inversion of > what y'all've talkin' aboot -- a bomb that spreads happiness among people > whether they want it or not. wasn't the tune about finding yourself > suddenly, maybe even unwillingly, in love? or am i projecting again? > > my girlfriend has got me watching _the west wing_ on tv, and i thought the > scene last night in which the big four (or was that five?) star general > said "all wars are crimes," was really poignant. > > november writers: i'll weigh in as a non participant enjoying the blather; > i thought about signing up, but i'm having enough trouble with my wrists > trying to transcribe a couple hours of interviews with assorted rock and > roll personalities. > > aside: this is probalby a terrible forum to ask this question, but what > they hey, it just occurred to me to wonder: has anybody ever tried using > any of the speech recognition products, dragontalk or whatever, to do > interview transcriptions? i wouldn't mind doing really heavy editing if i > could reduce the number of total keystrokes by 50% it would be a godsend. > but i talk to lots of different people, with different accents, etc. & > sometimes in noisy environments. can't afford to buy software & have it > not be at least somewhat helpful. > > -- d. > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ > http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com > Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #426 ********************************