From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #422 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, November 7 2001 Volume 10 : Number 422 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Daisy Bomb ["FS Thomas" ] Re: Daisy bomb [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Daisy Bomb ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: Pink Floyd Arnold Layne on BBC 2 (fwd) [Michael R Godwin ] RE: Largo Setlist Help + Artwork ["Larry Tucker" ] RE: Largo Setlist Help + Artwork/Six Degrees of Mary- Lynn ["Poole, R. Ed] RE: Pink Floyd Arnold Layne on BBC 2 (fwd) ["Larry O'Brien" ] Smootch ["Redtailed Hawk" ] Re: 88 strings in the novel so far ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] So mote it be ["Natalie Jane" ] RE: Pink Floyd Arnold Layne on BBC 2 (fwd) [Michael R Godwin ] Re: daisies and roses and puppies and anti-personnel devices [gSs ] a mantle ["Walker, Charles" ] Re: daisies and roses and puppies and anti-personnel devices [Christopher] Re: So mote it be [bayard ] Re: So mote it be ["Jason R. Thornton" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:52:04 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: Re: Daisy Bomb > The thing has a parachute because it weighs 7.5 tons (US) and has a > mechanical trigger mechanism on the bottom that sets it off three feet > above the ground. It's designed to kill everything in a circle 68/100 > of a mile across. I think the stat I read was a crater 'five football fields in diameter." The device is around seventeen feet long and five feet in diameter. It's ammonium nitrate. Several times more powerful than what was used in Oaklahoma City. The plane (a C-130 cargo plane if memory serves) flies at 6000 feet and _still_ needs that much time to get away. Go team. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 18:31:46 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Daisy bomb >Heard something on the news today about a powerful bomb we've got which is >nicknamed "Daisy Cutter." I guess we used 'em in the Gulf War as well. >The thing is so powerful it's equipped with a parachute to allow the >aircraft that drops it enough time to get safely out of it's destructive >path. I wonder if this thing was in any way inspiration for "Daisy Bomb", >which I've always thought was a ridiculous title for a song. it might also explain the title of the Zoviet*France ambient track "Daisy Gun". James PS - I'm soooo behind on email! Apologies to those I owe replies. I'm getting there... James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:05:56 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Daisy Bomb steve wrote: > > It's designed to kill everything in a circle 68/100 > of a mile across. the BLU-82 was originally designed as a defoliant, to expose/destroy helicopter positions during the Vietnam War. Hence 'daisy cutter' -- which REALLY means a low-bowled cricket ball, as any fule kno. I suppose it's the nearest thing to a fuel-air weapon that they can get away with without a) breaking the terms of the Geneva Convention, and b) blowing themselves up if the wind changes. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:21:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: RE: Pink Floyd Arnold Layne on BBC 2 (fwd) On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Larry O'Brien wrote: > VH1 Classic just had a Pink Floyd weekend. They had a lot of footage > from the 24 Hour Technicolor Dream, which was Syd's final performance. I have to come in here. The 14 Hour Technicolor Dream was on 29th April 1967 - I missed it due to an asthma attack. Syd continued to perform with the Floyd throughout 1967, not least at Games for May (12th May at the Queen Elizabeth Hall - still the best show I have ever seen). I also saw him with them at another Alexandra Palace event during the summer (along with Crazy World of Arthur Brown, Eric Burdon & the New Animals, Tomorrow, Blossom Toes etc); at the Savile Theatre in autumn 1967 supported by Fairport Convention (IIRC); and at the end of a long tour at the Christmas on Earth 1967 show at Olympia, a big all-nighter with Hendrix, Soft Machine, Traffic, Eire Apparent, The Move etc etc. The Christmas on Earth show was the last time I saw Syd; by the time of the Hyde Park free concert in 1968 he had been replaced by David Gilmour. I haven't seen the film footage mentioned. If it featured Lennon and McCartney in the audience plus a lot of dayglo foam it really was the 14HTD. But if they definitely said it was Syd's final Floyd gig, then it was CoE67. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:58:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Daisy Bomb On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > the BLU-82 was originally designed as a defoliant, to expose/destroy > helicopter positions during the Vietnam War. Hence 'daisy cutter' -- > which REALLY means a low-bowled cricket ball, as any fule kno. > I suppose it's the nearest thing to a fuel-air weapon that they can get > away with without a) breaking the terms of the Geneva Convention, and b) > blowing themselves up if the wind changes. According to an informative and horrific description at it is named from the blast pattern it creates. There has been a lot in the papers about cluster bombs as well. Apparently they are like multiple land mines and are liable to lie dormant for years and then explode underneath an unexpecting pedestrian. People are arguing that if landmines are banned, cluster bombs should be too. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:29:12 -0500 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: Largo Setlist Help + Artwork |>> Ps. further on that note, the UM website's page for Cafe Largo isn't |listed on |>> the main "tour" page; go through the LA tour diary or straight to |>> http://www.underwatermoonlight.com/diary/largo.html and |there's a couple |of |>> nice pics there to use. | |>like the one of jon brion's girlfriend! | |That, of course, would be the lovely and talented Mary-Lynn Rajskub -- |better known to HBO Comedy fans as "Mary Lou" from The Larry |Sanders show |and various characters on "Mr. Show With Bob & David." |According to ImdB, |Ms. Rajskub will also be appearing in the next Paul Thomas |"Boogie Nights" |Anderson film. Here's a performance of her humorous musical/comedy duo with Karen Kilgariff called the Girls Guitar Club. I saw them open for eels about a year and a half ago at The Roxy in Los Angeles and thought they were hilarious. http://www.kennedy-center.org/programs/millennium/artist_detail.cfm?arti st_id=GRLGTRCLUB - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:12:59 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Daisy Bomb FS Thomas wrote: > > I think the stat I read was a crater 'five football fields in diameter.' > The device is around seventeen feet long and five feet in diameter. it makes little or no crater: http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/arm/arm38.htm Plus it uses a parachute as it fits on a standard military parachute extraction sled, not for any fireball-engulfing reasons. > It's ammonium nitrate. Several times more powerful than what was used in > Oaklahoma City. Used to play with that when I was a kid. Mixed with sugar, black powder, magnesium filings, potassium permanganate and aquarium areator tablets, it made a helluva flash. And we found this out without the aid of the internet, too. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:46:19 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: Largo Setlist Help + Artwork/Six Degrees of Mary- Lynn Lang: > Tiffany Amber Thiessan is engaged to a gut I went to high school with. Oh, yeah? Well, my brother-in-law went on a date with Eliza "Faith" Dushku last weekend... the little bastard... ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. 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I actually found a good writeup of the 14 Hour Technicolor Dream here: http://members.aol.com/pgrsel/barrett/14hours.htm But if they definitely said it was Syd's final Floyd gig, then it was CoE67. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:21:20 -0500 From: Brian Subject: RE: Pink Floyd Arnold Layne on BBC 2 (fwd) Mike Godwin: >at the Savile Theatre in autumn 1967 supported by >Fairport Convention (IIRC); and at the end of a long tour at the Christmas >on Earth 1967 show at Olympia, a big all-nighter with Hendrix, Soft >Machine, Traffic, Eire Apparent, The Move etc etc. The Christmas on Earth >show was the last time I saw Syd; by the time of the Hyde Park free >concert in 1968 he had been replaced by David Gilmour. > Sounds like a fortunate experience! Was there an obvious decline in Syd's performance the last time you saw him? Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:45:06 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Smootch Quail-- thanks for the Tull lyrics. Poifect, as a few still say in your burough. Susan: >Does anyone else feel like 50,000 isn't actually going to be the end? I mean, at 8,000 words two main characters had only just >met the other one. The real "story" part of my story is only just now beginning. At this rate, 50,000 is starting to seem like more >of a convenient stopping point. It not being the end works in two ways for me. Ive learned--I -can- write at work, I -can- work in the middle of family interuptions at home. Its difficult but its worth it cause Im just falling in love with the process. I love doing this. Yesterday afternoon I hit a vein which was coming out faster than I could type(not much of a typist.) It felt unbeleivably good. I glowed for hours after. So even when this is over--Ive set up a good habit, and a good habit is half the battle. I plan to keep the habit. I also have a feeling that if I do this story right with its necissary complexity, it may well go over 50,000 words. So--Ill send my 50,000 into Nano and just keep going. Plus Ive discovered something about myself, I really really like murdering people;-). And Im not going to give -that- up! >P.S. Kay, I can't keep up with the main WriMo board at all anymore, >did you guys actually get an occult writers thing organized? I can barely keep up with my regular e-mail at the moment. Part of it is that the board is so large and unstructured its unwieldy. Before Nov 1st I dipped in occasisonly and yes, the 7 of us did put together a distrubution list. I sent out the first query--on ghostships and also how Ken Wilber would deal with ghosts and ... Nada. Nor any other queries. Hate to say it--but you guys have been a much bigger help than the Nano Board. So-- turn away now if you're the sort of Feg who embarress easillly. To all you who've been supportive and all you who've been willing to put up with this thread. Are you ready? XXXXXSMOOTCHXXXXX Now wipe that lipstick off your collar and get back to work! Kay A man's life of any worth is a continual allegory. John Keats _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:22:24 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: 88 strings in the novel so far >From: "Redtailed Hawk" > >Gene, that is great. I get moments of that but also moments of fear and >blankness. Congradulations. >What sort of novel is it? Any other tips? So far, my novel has only just begun to congeal itself into anything resembling a particular genre -- not that I'm concerning myself with that, or plot organicity, or even finding my own voice. It's just write, write, write. >From: Carole Reichstein > >All this talk of writing a novel is making my typing fingers itch. Kay, >Susan, Gene and anyone else who is working on this: what do you plan to do >with your 50,000 word novels when you're done? I imagine I'll just pick through it and reuse what I can. I am starting to seriously consider honing it down into a polished short story and trying to get it published. Or starting a new short story from scratch with the experiences of November fresh in my brain. I might put it up on my website in HTML to let friends take a gander at it, if they want. >Spalding Gray wrote daily in a journal for 5 years straight to teach >himself writing discipline. I am in awe of this man. Have any Fegs done >this? Nope, but I do find the writing therapeutic and cathartic, so I'm sure I'll at least be writing more regularly than I did before NaNoWriMo. Harry Crews said that writing is the hardest thing he does, that he hates it, but he absolutely does it every day. I am now beginning to understand that. >From: "victorian squid" > >Does anyone else feel like 50,000 isn't actually going to be the >end? I mean, at 8,000 words two main characters had only just >met the other one. The real "story" part of my story is only just >now beginning. At this rate, 50,000 is starting to seem like more >of a convenient stopping point. I think 50,000 will be the end of this novel, but not the end of my writing. The word limit is an artificial deadline for me, which I need. I think I could keep going to a million words if I didn't have the limit, which wouldn't be good. I just broke 13,000 words and I *finally* feel like I've got the conditions set up for a conflict; the characters are reasonably well fleshed out; now I can dedicate a few tens of thousands words to backstory and setting and, well, fun stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:39:30 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: daisies and roses and puppies and anti-personnel devices > These are pretty sinsiter Name a weapon of war that is not sinister? Or are there certain ways in which large numbers of people can be killed but that is not actually sinister? Maybe poisonous gas? > - they go off above ground and expolde outward and are for killing > people. It sounds like shooting shrapnel. All bombs explode. All bombs explode outward and all bombs are for killing and disabling people and equipment in one way or another, aren't they? Or is there some new type of bomb the Pentagon is spending outrageuos amounts of money developing which doesn't do any of these things? Why do people still act stunned or surprised when they learn about war? The device uses concussion only, no shrapnel. Like a big, big blunt knock of air. I think it is referred to as sub-atomic. Sinister? I think getting knocked out by one of those is much less sinister than taking a gut shot from an m-16 and bleeding to death while you hold your intestines in your hand and wipe your buddies brain off your canteen. But then I guess that depends on the person. And since these are made to drop on heavy concentrations of women and children who are on their way home from the mosque or the market, it's not like we want a big crater for people to take pictures of. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:37:50 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Oysterhead (NO RH%) Well I am off north of the border for an Oysterhead gig. I am slowly completing my "Police" set. I have seen Sting and Andy Summers a few times, now once I see Stewart tonight, my collection will be complete :) Herbie np- Weezer "Sweater Song" ps - Heard some disturbing news on the radio yesterday, the OLSEN TWINS are covering the Weezer song "Islands in the Sun" off their newest album on the twins next one. What kind of crap is that? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 08:44:40 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: So mote it be >Nat for once I have to slightly disagree with your top notch tastes. >Id >put "Mists" under the "Guilty Pleasures taken with a bucket of >salt" >category;-). Yeah, like all trashy stuff it is a bit of a guilty pleasure, but not for the beginning Arthurian, certainly. One of the many things that bugs me about it (aside from the terrible writing, massacred history, etc.) is that it plays into the favorite Wiccan myth that Wicca is very old and that people were practicing Wiccan-type religion thousands of years ago. In fact, Wicca was invented by the naughty Gerald "Whip me!" Gardner in the 1950's, although it incorporates older elements. (The other Wiccan myth that drives me up the wall is that 9 million witches were killed during the medieval witch hunts. In fact, there weren't even 9 million people in Europe at that time, let alone witches, and most of the "witches" killed were midwives, old ladies disliked by their neighbors, and other ordinary people.) Enough ranting. Is someone taping all this Syd Barrett performance material??? God, I wish I had a TV!! gnat "I know how to examine a placenta, therefore I must be burned at the stake" the gnatster _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:48:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: RE: Pink Floyd Arnold Layne on BBC 2 (fwd) On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Brian wrote: > Sounds like a fortunate experience! Was there an obvious decline > in Syd's performance the last time you saw him? Yes. They were crackingly good in December 66 and as I said, the Games for May show (immediately before the releae of PAtGoD) was outstanding. But in late 1967, some of the dynamism had gone out of the Floyd's performances. None of the band was ever a personality onstage - they tended to just stand there and play. On many occasions the light shows completely overshadowed the band so that it was not clear who was playing what, or whether the band were communicating with one another; but it was evident that while they could still perform 'Pow R Toc H' and 'Interstellar Overdrive', after the album was released there was an absence of the "lift" that you expect from a Floyd show. Some of this is hindsight, of course. I had no idea that Syd had lost it completely, I just thought that the band were a bit erratic from gig to gig. And the only thing that I really retain from last show at Olympia was the Jimi Hendrix Experience playing 'Spanish Castle Magic' extremely loudly. Oh, and the Kevin Ayers-era Soft Machine chanting "I did it again". - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:53:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: daisies and roses and puppies and anti-personnel devices On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, gSs wrote: > Name a weapon of war that is not sinister? Or are there certain ways in > which large numbers of people can be killed but that is not actually > sinister? Maybe poisonous gas? This morning I read an interesting essay by Steven Jay Gould on J B S Haldane's experiments with poison gas at the time of the First World War. He tried breathing several different concoctions of gas and came to the conclusion that if you took reasonable precautions, a poison gas attack was much less painful than a bullet wound. Of course, technology has advanced a lot since then... - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:00:24 -0800 (PST) From: FS Thomas Subject: Re: daisies and roses and puppies and anti-personnel devices Sprachen GSS: >And since these are made to drop on heavy >concentrations of women and children who >are on their way home from the mosque or >the market, it's not like we want a big >crater for people to take pictures of. I'm thinking if the military didn't put valuable targets in markets and mosques then markets and mosques wouldn't get hit. Or at least not as often. A military target is a military target. If the enemy (whoever they may be--them or us) puts valued targets in densely populated civilian areas then those areas are going to be targeted. If you want a 'clean' war, then you've got to keep those targets removed from civilian areas. You can't blame either side for civilian casualties if targets are intentionally placed in civilian areas. War is Hell. Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:38:56 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: daisies and roses and puppies and anti-personnel devices GSS writes, >>And since these are made to drop on heavy >>concentrations of women and children who >>are on their way home from the mosque or >>the market, it's not like we want a big >>crater for people to take pictures of. Well, not that I disagree with your sentiment, but if I recall correctly, women are not allowed to attend many mosques under Taliban rule. Men are *required* to go five times a day (occasionally under penalty of death), but women must remain home. (Though until the age of ten, they do go to religious schools which are held in mosques.) And if they are indeed seen in public, recall they theoretically need to be in the presence of a male relative. So there really aren't that many heavy concentration of women on there way home from mosques or even markets. Ant-flame disclaimer: This post in no way is meant to excuse civilian casualties, nor approve of the so-called "daisy bomb." Also, many jurists consider it a perversion of Islam to refuse women their right to attend a mosque. - --Akbar al-Qu'ayyl - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.TheModernWord.com Better hope deferred than none. Up to a point. Till the heart starts to sicken. Company too up to a point. Better a sick heart than none. Till it starts to break. So speaking of himself he concludes for the time being, For the time being leave it at that. --Samuel Beckett, "Company" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:38:38 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: nanowrimomaniax Apologies for the continued NaNoWriMo content. I imagine it gets a bit dull to those who aren't doing it. > From: Carole Reichstein > > Kay, > Susan, Gene and anyone else who is working on this: what do you plan to do > with your 50,000 word novels when you're done? I really like my idea, so unless it goes completely haywire (or maybe "unless it doesn't") I'll probably try to go back and make an editing pass or three and turn it into a Real Novel. > Spalding Gray wrote daily in a journal for 5 years straight to teach > himself writing discipline. I am in awe of this man. Have any Fegs done > this? Hell, no...I've tried but I don't have much in the way of discipline. I do write in an online journal, and occasionally in a paper journal, but only when the mood strikes me and I have something (however trivial) I want to say. The thing I've found, though, is that the journal doesn't "get the juices flowing" so much as soak them all up. It wouldn't be a good habit for me because I would have no energy left to work on "real" writing. I'm behind by two days now. I wonder if I'll be able to catch up. But, Susan, I do think 50,000 words will probably be the end for me, assuming I can even get that far. :) > From: "Russ Reynolds" > I wonder if this thing was in any way inspiration for "Daisy Bomb", > which I've always thought was a ridiculous title for a song. I can't tell if I like the title or if I just love the song. But it would be quite a coincidence if that weren't where he got the title. - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:08:41 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: daisies and roses and puppies and anti-personnel devices On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, The Great Quail wrote: > Well, not that I disagree with your sentiment, but if I recall > correctly, women are not allowed to attend many mosques under Taliban > rule. Men are *required* to go five times a day (occasionally under > penalty of death), but women must remain home. (Though until the age > of ten, they do go to religious schools which are held in mosques.) > And if they are indeed seen in public, recall they theoretically need > to be in the presence of a male relative. So there really aren't that > many heavy concentration of women on there way home from mosques or > even markets. Yeah I know, I just forgot to put the tag to seperate the fact from the predraconian harsh fundamentalist party type propaganda that sometimes infects my notes. All in good fun, or so they tell me. It could have been to start a weapons of war thread, I'm not sure yet. I just forgot to add the tag, again. I wonder if my sub-conscious does that, for him? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:35:45 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: daisyBomb There was an bootlegged Byrds instrumental called "Flower Bomb Song" presumably as a joke on "Flower Drum Song," the musical. Didn't make it to the box set, at least not by that name. Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:50:25 -0800 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: a mantle >i still don't understand how the potential death by starvation and bombing of seven and a half >million afghanis somehow makes up for the death of six thousand new yorkers. this kind of moral >mathematics just doesn't add up. there is an unwritten code that began with the teddy roosevelt administration in, i think 1906, that states that the sovereign soil of the United States is never, ever to be touched. administrations can have any foreign policy they desire, take any actions they see fit regarding transgressions outside of the united states but there is this code that is handed from administration to administration - a mantle being passed. clinton blew it in '93 when the towers were bombed. i am not saying i like this, but this is the way it is. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:57:52 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: daisies and roses and puppies and anti-personnel devices What I want to know is, when are we going to drop the Soy Bomb? - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:01:43 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: Re: So mote it be > (The other Wiccan myth that drives me up the wall is that 9 million witches > were killed during the medieval witch hunts. In fact, there weren't even 9 > million people in Europe at that time, let alone witches, and most of the > "witches" killed were midwives, old ladies disliked by their neighbors, and > other ordinary people.) what i've always wondered is, how many actual witches were there? by which i mean - people practicing ritual or religion that could be considered witch-like - and if there were not any, how did all that mess get started? > Enough ranting. Is someone taping all this Syd Barrett performance > material??? Yes please! Let me know, the guy who asked me to ask y'all is a contributor of many great robyn items over the years, including that great soundboard DAT from the Ark in 95. =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 15:10:52 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: So mote it be At 03:01 PM 11/7/2001 -0800, bayard wrote: >what i've always wondered is, how many actual witches were there? by >which i mean - people practicing ritual or religion that could be >considered witch-like - and if there were not any, how did all that mess >get started? God, there are a TON of Orthodox Witches in my neighbor - you know, the ones that still practice a lot of the stricter, "out of date" traditions, like refraining from eating lost children on Wednesdays and only casting hexes for diseases that were known to exist in Grimoirical times. And they all walk around in the evenings of the Black Sabbath in their pointy black hats and carrying their straw brooms, because the Goddess won't let 'em drive or take a bus. The Wizardists aren't too bad, and throw some wicked bake sales. They seem especially good at pecan pie. It's those First Coven of Evil Sorcery wanks that I can't stand. Every other week they're at my door, handing out pamphlets and converting all the neighbor cats as familiars. Bastards. Jason - ----------------------------------------------- Jason R. Thornton Assistant Research Analyst Student Research & Information/Student Affairs The University of California, San Diego 9500 Gilman Drive, Dept. Mail Code 0088 La Jolla, CA 92093 (858) 534-2382 FAX: (858) 822-4578 jthornton@ucsd.edu http://ugr8.ucsd.edu - ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #422 ********************************