From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #420 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, November 6 2001 Volume 10 : Number 420 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Nano Author Arthur [John McIntyre ] Re: How's your NaNoWriMo ghosting ["Redtailed Hawk" ] Re: How's your NaNoWriMo ghosting ["Mike Wells" ] Episode II (1% RH) [Mike Swedene ] the dentist sensitively pulled the bumbles' teeth [Ken Ostrander ] Out of the picture (Warning: on topic!) ["Fric Chaud" ] Re: Episode II (1% RH) [steve ] Buffy PSA [steve ] Re: itunes trashes mac data ["Stewart C. Russell" ] On Topic... ["matt sewell" ] Largo Setlist Help + Artwork ["Mike Wells" ] oils/prices ["Melissa Higuchi" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:46:55 -0500 From: John McIntyre Subject: Re: Nano Author Arthur For a very different take on Arthur (Merlin is evil, Modred is the hero) try Ian McDowell's _Merlin's Gift_ and _Modred's Curse_. As a bonus there's no Lancelot. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 14:47:47 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Re: How's your NaNoWriMo ghosting Jeme >I was just wondering why a person would bother to "register" for >something that they're doing on their own for their own edification that >requires no special help from outside. Humans are weird beasts, arent we? Because making a public declaration that youre going to do something motivates you put your money where your mouth is? Becaus humans are built to bond with others? Because its fun? >And I'm a little concerned >about all these characters who were living secretly in my mind who >now won't let me ignore them now that they're in a novel and >demanding an awful lot of attention. Frankly I love that. Im using a combo of 1)background characters and places that have lived in my head for decades and 2)(and this is intriuging) I figure my husband and me are the two people I know best. So Ive split both of us into two characters each, basically a flawed hero and flawed herione and an ultimetly almost sympathetic villian and ditto villianess of the suspense plot. And it funny, once that gave me the core of the characters, memories of others who seem congruent with those charecter are coming into play, so the characters are becoming more than just parts. Love that. Love when what youre writing suprises you. But I write slowly and, like Susan, Im pathetic and have to go back a bit. To neaten details if stuff changes. Also I can not stop myself from cutting extra words or shortening awkward sentences. Idiot! Im trying to do 2,000 words a day but its tough. Gene >there hasn't been any of that organized for my home town yet. Same here, and I could have used the support. And congrads on the newspaper article/interview. Post a link to it if there is one--otherwise, can you post the text? Susan> It's getting to where I become truly >snappish when Doug startles me out of "novel world" and I'm >finding it not a little disturbing. Oh yeah. Try doing it on the ref desk while helping patrons or when your daughter has a play date with the loudest kid on the block and theyre doing fart jokes;-). I try to think of Jane Austen, scribbling in the drawing room as the family talked but it dosnt hep much. Oh for a laptop(and hours) of my own. Does anyone know of other poems, songs(non Robyn) with ghostship lyrics? Please please pretty please, Kay, her hour allotment for e-mail almost up. A man's life of any worth is a continual allegory. John Keats _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:57:54 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: How's your NaNoWriMo ghosting - --On Monday, November 05, 2001 14:47:47 +0000 Redtailed Hawk wrote: > Does anyone know of other poems, songs(non Robyn) with ghostship lyrics? > Please please pretty please, Richard Wagner's "Der fliegende Holldnder" (I supposed that's Flying Dutchman in English)? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Winter is coming. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:28:06 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: How's your NaNoWriMo? >From: "victorian squid" >Subject: Re: How's your NaNoWriMo? > >My progress is somewhat slowed, too, by the fact that revising >as I go is compulsive. I literally cannot write something and >leave it there to go back to later. Not even with email. It's >pathetic. In three days of writing I've put down 10,000 words. But I am not even glancing at what I've already written. If what I'm writing at the moment refers to something I've written in the past, I scan my memory for it, but I do not look at the text. If it's not in my memory, I fudge it and keep going anyway. I find doing that very liberating. I too am a notorious self-editor. I often find myself frozen in front of an email message, reading it over and over again, afraid to press the Send button. But NaNoWriMo is allowing me to get over that, and I think it's something I really need to do. It's bolstered my courage as a writer quite a bit. My mantra is "Write, don't think." So far, so good. But I'll be damned if I don't feel the story is already there and fully developed, but that I just have to type it out. It's one of the weirdest and most exciting things I've ever felt. Off to crank out another 3,000 words... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:36:53 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: How's your NaNoWriMo ghosting > --On Monday, November 05, 2001 14:47:47 +0000 Redtailed Hawk > wrote: > > > Does anyone know of other poems, songs(non Robyn) with ghostship lyrics? > > Please please pretty please, > > Richard Wagner's "Der fliegende Holldnder" (I supposed that's Flying > Dutchman in English)? > -- > Sebastian Certainly "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" ('Powerslave' album), Iron Maiden's heavy-metal take on Coleridge's classic and perhaps for a stretch Sting's "Wild Wild Sea" (Soul Cages) might qualify. "Baby's Got Ghostship" by Sir Mix-A-Lot doesn't count, however. Michael who saw the Powerslave tour TWICE in 1984-5 and it was loud both times. Up the irons! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:49:24 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V10 #419 >what do you reckon the consensus suggestion of the list would be? >that >the bloke take up mallory? t.h.white? mary stewart? or that he >avoid the >mess entire? Malory for source material, T.H. White for everything else. Mary Stewart is boring. Avoid "The Mists of Avalon" unless you want a good laugh. grumpy-after-a-bad-weekend n. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:29:35 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Episode II (1% RH) For those of us looking for Star Wars Stuff... They have posted the official trailer for episode II here: http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/news/2001/11/news20011105.html Enjoy! Herbie np- "Wafflehead" Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:35:22 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: the dentist sensitively pulled the bumbles' teeth saw midnight oil this saturday and they really put on a killer show. they played every song i really wanted to hear, ending on a resounding note with 'read about it'. their new material sounds very strong. new album coming out around february. can't wait to see dylan. >> Yes! Yes! And no more goddamn films about film-makers! > >Throw in "songs about music" while you're at it. as well as books about writers...or is that where this started? >As for trainspotting - only tried it once, although I really don't think >I was doing it right... it took me months to come off the heroin! on my radio show, we've had a gulf war vet that has had some botched VA surgery and has been dependent on the VA for painkillers. they had him on oxycotin for a while; but moved him on to synthetic heroin (dilautid?) recently. he did an epic rant a few weeks back where he crushed the tablets on the table and snorted lines into the mike while discussing the geopolitical climate and his own experience. he always has an asortment of pain killers and sometimes he shares. >I don't know, but this maybe isn't the best place to move right now. >I just joined the ranks of the unemployed today, along with a large >chunk of the company I worked for. (This is either going to be very >good for my NaNoWriMoNo or very bad.) more time to write; but perhaps no internet access without a job? >I much like Jason's comment on how we have to learn to show respect for each >other better when discussing politics. i agree that the only way you're going to come to some common ground is through civility, not bashing each other; but of course emotions are driving much of the nastiness. i like to have some healthy debate; but the violence of the ideas that we're discussing seeps into the debate. i still don't understand how the potential death by starvation and bombing of seven and a half million afghanis somehow makes up for the death of six thousand new yorkers. this kind of moral mathematics just doesn't add up. >Isnt there some comment by Tolkein that one of the reasons a hobbit could do >the deed was that the Dark Lord wasnt able to recognize a hobbit as a >serious threat. Because the hobbits were not power-driven their actions >didnt compute. kind of like those folks who want a peaceful solution to our "current crisis". how could that be? perhaps they have had enough of the secret wars that have been carried out in the name of national security since...well since national security was invented in 1947. >WTO protesters prosecuted as terrorists? Great idea! i respectfully disagree. http://commondreams.org/views01/1030-08.htm ken "this land must change or land must burn" the kenster np rio duran duran duran duran nd red bull & stoli rasberry...so pre 9-11 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:41:43 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Nanook, NaNo, don't you touch that pomo snow Can we add poems about not being able to fall asleep the the banned list (of which we all have our favorite exceptions we'll defend to the death)? - --- Rattle & Cheep-- "When fact is fiction and T.V. reality" is one of those lines that might have been tossed off when it was 1st written & then got cast in stone by events. - --- Boy, being able to give blood sure makes you feel like a do-nothing, go-nowhere goody two shoes. I thought the questionaire was gonna start asking about the missionary position. Doesn't the Red Cross operate in the UK? What about gays who are monogamous & get themselves checked? Does giving sex for drugs include "Wanna spend the night? I got some great dope"? What about ... My first time. But it's not just the attacks, I owe for a couple of family members as well. As far as the experience is concerned, it's still preferable to fairground rides. Some memorable woosyness but w/ out invoking my fear of hights. I didn't ask the nurses my pointed questions because the folks around me had such lively barbershop/beauty parlor-type banter. I heard that when Queen Victoria's father (forget his name) was in his final illness & the doctors said they would have to bleed him again he burst into tears. - --- Drew-- >> Re. C.S. Lewis, I just finished "Perelandra." [...] >> I got a little sick of the protagonist having experiences >> which simply can't be described because they're so wonderful. >Oooh...I always have the opposite problem with Lovecraft. That's hilarious. We gotta get these sets of charactors together. - --- New-hoo-hoo math, old records-- Latest ($1 only, I swear) acquisitions of note-- Killing Joke - "Ha!" - live Incredible String Band - "U" - some great stuff, some lame. I assume the "dance" and "theater" that accompanied this was pretty sophmoric. Warner/Reprise loss leaders - "Non-Dairy Creamer" "Hot Platters" - anyone heard of Ron Nagel, a sorta more-pop Ry Cooder sampled on these? He seems to have musically disappeared w/ out a trace & turned into a famous ceramicist. The Verlaines - "Way Out Where" - maybe this was the effect of grunge on the Verlaines, but it's still a pretty great record, Gustav Mahler meets Louie, Louie. Tom Lehrer - "That Was the Year That Was" - finally own this again. Here's his "The Folk Song Army" (hel-lo new digest!) - "One type of song that has come into increasing prominence in recent months is the folk song of protest. You have to admire people who sing these songs. It takes a certain amount of courage to get up in a coffee house or a college auditorium and come out in favor of the things that everybody else in the audience is against, like peace and justice and brotherhood and so on. But the nicest thing about a protest song is that it makes you feel so good. I have a song here which, I realize, should be accompanied on a folk instrument, in which category the piano does not, alas, qualify. So imagine, if you will, that I am playing an 88-string guitar!" We are the folk song army, Every one of us cares. We all hate poverty, war, and injustice Unlike the rest of you squares. There are innocuous folk songs, yeah, But we regard 'em with scorn. The folks who sing 'em have no social conscience, Why, they don't even care if Jimmy Crack Corn. If you feel dissatisfaction, Strum your frustrations away. Some people may prefer action, But give me a folk song any old day. The tune don't have to be clever, And it don't matter if you put a couple extra syllables into a line. It sounds more ethnic if it ain't good English And it don't even gotta rhyme... (excuse me: rhyne!) Remember the war against Franco? That's the kind where each of us belongs. Though he may have won all the battles, We had all the good songs! So join in the folk song army! Guitars are the weapons we bring To the fight against poverty, war, and injustice. Ready, aim, sing! - --- Ross Taylor fan of The Stunt - "Once more, how tall was King Kong?" - Man Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:59:18 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: Chicago Soft Boys show. Can someone forward me the artwork/covers for the Chicago show cd-r? Thanks, Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 15:42:49 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: movies about films about movies I rather enjoyed "Irma Vep." Hey, do documentaries about the making of a film count? If so, "Hearts of Darkness" was pretty interesting. Did anyone see the re-release of "Apocalypse Now," by the way? The re-discovered scenes really changed the tone of the movie - and flushed out and humanized Sheen's character a bit more. Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:28:34 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: itunes trashes mac data You may have to watch out for your files if you use itunes on a Mac with multiple volumes.... http://www.apple.com/itunes/alert/ ... but after your data's gone you'll still have those stylish colours on the outside... - -- Fric on a big beige box ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:40:22 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Out of the picture (Warning: on topic!) James said something like: Does anybody else here feel that "Out Of The Picture" heralds the sort of song Robyn has come to write lately? Sorry, but I just deleted the original. I told you I was new to this! I say: I never heard it that way before, but playing it now and imagining an acoustic version of it, I can see exactly what you mean. I'd all but forgotten the song. It's been ages since I've heard this release. By the way, I'm trying to find a copy of IDIOT but even the better record shops here keep directing me to the Iggy Pop section whenever I ask about it. One of these days I'll find it. I hope I won't be disappointed! Now rediscovering: BSDR - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 00:00:22 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: itunes trashes mac data On Monday, November 5, 2001, at 06:28 PM, Fric Chaud wrote: > You may have to watch out for your files if you use itunes on a Mac > with multiple volumes.... > > http://www.apple.com/itunes/alert/ > > ... but after your data's gone you'll still have those stylish colours > on the outside... > > -- > Fric on a big beige box Except it was the X version only, and a corrected installer is now at the above link. No problem here, but someone posted on an X list about how it messed up his drive with EIGHT partitions. I guess simple *is* better. - - Steve __________ If anyone has ever benefited from what Bush has called "the bigotry of soft expectations," it's George W. Bush himself. - Mark Crispin Miller ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 00:05:17 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Episode II (1% RH) On Monday, November 5, 2001, at 12:29 PM, Mike Swedene wrote: > For those of us looking for Star Wars Stuff... > They have posted the official trailer for episode II > here: > > http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/news/2001/11/news20011105.html Or you can just go strait to - http://www.apple.com/trailers/ That Yoda guy looks like he's ready to kick some clone butt. - - Steve __________ In May, after fighting ferociously to keep it secret, the Pentagon reluctantly released its own internal study reporting that despite an investment of more than $70 billion, Star Wars technology remains so elementary that "a rigorous assessment of potential system performance cannot be made." - Eric Alterman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 00:08:31 -0600 From: steve Subject: Buffy PSA For tapers, Buffy is running 8 minutes long tomorrow only. The episode will be cut down to regular length for reruns. - - Steve __________ If anyone has ever benefited from what Bush has called "the bigotry of soft expectations," it's George W. Bush himself. - Mark Crispin Miller ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 09:06:00 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: itunes trashes mac data steve wrote: > > Except it was the X version only... Please, let's not hijack the one letter that Unix users have known (and occasionally not cursed) since 1987; X is the X Window System. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 02:45:00 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: itunes trashes mac data On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > steve wrote: > > Except it was the X version only... > Please, let's not hijack the one letter that Unix users have known > (and occasionally not cursed) since 1987; X is the X Window System. This confused me at first, too. I thought "There's an X version of iTunes? I mean, I've heard of people running X on a Mac since they came out with OSX... oh, wait." J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:49:43 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: On Topic... The museum of Robyn is advertising a gig at Dingwalls in Camden on the 11/11... it's Robyn with Scott McCaughey and Ken Stringfellow. I won't be there sadly... gotta go up to Lancaster... grr... Cheers Matt, who's wondering why the SBs aren't taking advantage of low air fares to do a US tour... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 07:15:29 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Largo Setlist Help + Artwork I know I should I know what it is, but can anyone please help with Largo disk 2, track 6? Sounds like a Dylan cover, but I'm at a loss for the title. I've also created "art" (if you can call it that) using HP's CD-Labeler software v2.1 that was bundled with their burners; basically just setlists and pics from the tour made into j-cards and 2-panel covers. If anyone else is using this software, I'd be happy to email them the .htf files to use. Ps. further on that note, the UM website's page for Cafe Largo isn't listed on the main "tour" page; go through the LA tour diary or straight to http://www.underwatermoonlight.com/diary/largo.html and there's a couple of nice pics there to use. Michael supremely appreciative of the bass sound on the Seattle discs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 14:18:22 +0000 From: "Melissa Higuchi" Subject: oils/prices saw midnight oil for the first time in 10 years last night. they were fabulous. encourage everyone to go see them this tour. the merch prices seemed really high. just wanted to ask concert going fegs if $30-40 was really the going price for concert t-shirts these days. Melissa _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #420 ********************************