From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #419 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, November 5 2001 Volume 10 : Number 419 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: How's your NaNoWriMo? ["victorian squid" ] FWD sillyness [minister of misinformation ] Re: arthur, arthur [steve ] Re: How's your NaNoWriMo? [Capuchin ] Re: in the heart of saturday afternoon... [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Nano Author Arthur ["Redtailed Hawk" ] Re: How's your NaNoWriMo? ["victorian squid" ] Re: Ghostship ["Stewart C. Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 18:59:32 -0800 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: How's your NaNoWriMo? - --- On Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:13:34 Capuchin wrote: >Exactly what service are these people providing via that website? Oy, simmer down! The wordcount is only there so that the curious can keep track of each others' progress if they are so inclined. I like putting my count in at the end of the day. It's kinda like punching the clock. Nobody HAS to tho. There aren't any prizes for reaching a certain number or anything like that. As far as I can tell, the only service provided by the website (aside from some good writing tips) is that I know how much farther along some other people are, I know the names of other people who are participating, and I might get to buy a commemorative tshirt when it's over. This was obviously just bored teenage script kiddies looking for something to deface (the Anna Kournikova and Britney Spears pics were sort of a tipoff). So they know that someone named Susan Dodge who lives in Portland, OR was 954 words into a novel on November 1st. Yipadang. That was already up there for the world to see anyway. loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 14:36:51 +1030 From: minister of misinformation Subject: FWD sillyness The latest episode of the epic Diary of Charles Smedley-Dendril's quest for the South Pole has just been released in Smiberspace! Find out all the latest antics online now at http://www.readersdoglist.fsnet.co.uk/ Enjoy! ( this fwd has been posted in the interests of fostering sillyness in all its forms throughout the net . But net marms , self appointed list police and curmudgeons may feel free to take this opportunity to flame the sender online for polluting the list with off topic spam IF they so desire ) Commander Lang ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 22:34:58 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: arthur, arthur On Saturday, November 3, 2001, at 12:25 PM, dmw wrote: > what do you reckon the consensus suggestion of the list would be? that > the bloke take up mallory? t.h.white? mary stewart? or that he avoid the > mess entire? The Mallory is a slog, and I've not read the others. I suggest repeated viewings of Excalibur. - - Steve __________ If anyone has ever benefited from what Bush has called "the bigotry of soft expectations," it's George W. Bush himself. - Mark Crispin Miller ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 23:43:06 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: How's your NaNoWriMo? On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, victorian squid wrote: > On Sat, 3 Nov 2001 11:13:34 Capuchin wrote: > >Exactly what service are these people providing via that website? > > Oy, simmer down! [snip] > So they know that someone named Susan Dodge who lives in Portland, OR > was 954 words into a novel on November 1st. No no... I was just wondering why a person would bother to "register" for something that they're doing on their own for their own edification that requires no special help from outside. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 11:06:28 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: in the heart of saturday afternoon... - -- Eb is rumored to have mumbled on Samstag, 3. November 2001 16:30 Uhr -0700 regarding in the heart of saturday afternoon...: > The songs of "Red Drum" were inspired by the nearly 200-year-old Georg > Buchner play "Woyzeck," the tale of a poor soldier driven mad by > medical experiments and an unfaithful wife. IMHO B|chner was a genius. My final German Lit. exam was on "Leonce and Lena". "Woyzeck" has of course been treated in many ways, so this isn't exactly a surprising choice, but I'm curious anyway. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Winter is coming. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 09:14:37 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: How's your NaNoWriMo? >From: "victorian squid" >Subject: Re: How's your NaNoWriMo? > >Showoff. When I logged in to enter my wordcount last night I was >at 954 and I haven't done any writing today yet. Uh-oh. This is the beginning of my third day of writing, and I'm at about 8300 words right now. I've got another two to three hours of writing ahead of me today, too. So far, I'm surprised how easy it is. And I'm a little concerned about all these characters who were living secretly in my mind who now won't let me ignore them now that they're in a novel and demanding an awful lot of attention. >Did you know they were hacked last night? Fargin' script kiddies, so that's who's responsible. They deserve a good spanking. I don't think the wordcount page is back up either -- it's displaying names, but I've added my wordcount a good ten times and it hasn't appeared yet. Oh well, no biggie. *I* know what my wordcount is . >There's a separate mailing list for Oregon nanos. A bunch of us >are meeting up for coffee tomorrow afternoon. Cool, there hasn't been any of that organized for my home town yet. But I was interviewed by a reporter for the town newspaper about participating in NaNoWriMo, so getting quoted in the paper about is gonna be fun. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 22:00:22 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Nano Author Arthur Susan on Nano: >When I logged in to enter my wordcount last night I was at 954 and I haven't done any writing today yet. The hardest part >was jumping in. After about half an hour it was starting to flow pretty well, at least, I'm really hearing the two main characters. >Definitely looking forward to full-steaming ahead this weekend. >Did you know they were hacked last night? They had to take the wordcount page down, dunno if it's back up yet. Bah. Razzafraggin >script kiddies. Roaches of the net I tell you. Altho admittedly the site shouldn't have been as open as it was and probably isn't >anymore ;). My word counts alright but its hard to do a good word count day after day, especially if you have a life. Still Im grateful for the impetus. Why would anyone -want- to hack that site? Who could it offend and how? Makes no sense to me. Still researching ghostships. So its you, me, Drew and Gene. Anyone else? Doug wrote: >ok, so imagine that there was a kid who was born somewhere in america in >the latter half of the twentieth century who grew up and came of age and >was familiar with arthurian legend only from the rather dry pages of bullfinch's, some long-forgot dumbed-down bowlderized kiddy version and, >of course, a host of referential works. >suppose further that recent discussion on a computer mailing list devoted >to some singer-songwriter type excited a modicum of curiosity in this chap >about reading text that hewed closer to the source material. w>hat do you reckon the consensus suggestion of the list would be? that the bloke take up mallory? t.h.white? mary stewart? or that he avoid the >mess entire? Warning--I am about to enter territory where I am an ethusiast. So--if you dont want to be bored, stop reading now! First, the traditional Med stuff: The two best authors to start with would probobly be Chretain de Troyes and Wolfram Von Eschenbach. Chretian was tres francais and helped invent the courtly love thang. He also invented Lancelot and the Grail(as we know them.) He's interesting cause he was one of the first medieval authors to use internal monologue and even better, internal argument. His people have insides. Von Eschenbach was German not French, and a knight not a cleric, hence his Parzival is different than Chretians. The start is confusing but its got some great stuff. Wagner simplified it greatly for his opera. Malory is wonderful but long so best skimmed. Tolkein did a fantastic translation of "Sir Gwaine and the Greene Knight." Its a horror/wonder tale with a sobering, humane moral. The translation is alliterative so you get some feel for the Northern english original. Actually, that might be a good place to start if you like poetry. If you like Celtic stuff theres bits in the Mabignogion(aka My Big Noggin;-). If you'd like to see how the legend was first recored there is Geoffrey of Monmouths "History of the Kings of Britain." "The High History of the Holy Grail" is another goody. I love the Prose Lancelot, especially its Queste and Morte--theres alot of mystical stuff in there as it was written by contemplative monks, but its also pretty daunting. Wace and Layamon are only for the completeists. As for modern stuff both White and Stewart are good thou White's better IMNHO. Theres countless other modern retellings and Ive read most of them. And remember few of them. And I do have to mention there are some Arthurian refs in Blake and also in Spenser's "Fairy Queen." Avoid Tennyson and Swinburne thou Morris's "Defense of Guinivere" is readable. But only if you like poetry. There!, more than your hypothetical person ever wanted to know;-) Kay, its like asking Jeme to talk about politics. A man's life of any worth is a continual allegory. John Keats _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 18:12:03 -0800 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: How's your NaNoWriMo? On Sun, 4 Nov 2001 09:14:37 Gene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: >Uh-oh. Jeez, it was only my first day. I'm a bit further now ;). My progress is somewhat slowed, too, by the fact that revising as I go is compulsive. I literally cannot write something and leave it there to go back to later. Not even with email. It's pathetic. I would have been a really unhappy camper prior to the advent of word processing. >And I'm a little concerned about all these characters who were >living secretly in my mind who now won't let me ignore them >now that they're in a novel and demanding an awful lot of >attention. I hear that. Boy, do I hear that. It's getting to where I become truly snappish when Doug startles me out of "novel world" and I'm finding it not a little disturbing. >Fargin' script kiddies, so that's who's responsible. They deserve a >good spanking. I don't know that. Just an educated guess. And to answer Kay's question, some people just like to break into sites and vandalize because they're there and open. There are programs that basically scan the net and probe for sites that have "left the door open" and I'm pretty sure that's what happened here. Lots of people have them too, judging by how many attempts our firewall stops. I wouldn't consider this an attack, more like the computer age equivalent of putting rotten eggs in mailboxes. >Cool, there hasn't been any of that organized for my home town yet. Somebody just took it upon herself to form a separate Yahoo group for Oregonians (and one Oregonian who currently lives in Alaska). At the very least it was cool to share early war stories and find out what sorts of stuff other people are writing. Jeme: >No no... I was just wondering why a person would bother to "register" for >something that they're doing on their own Ah, I see. I totally misunderstood, sorry. It never occurred to me that it was the "group" aspect that you found strange. Some of the reasons for people to sign up and join an organized group: 50,000 words in 30 days might not sound like all that much, but given that the rest of one's life isn't stopping while one does it, it's a bit like boot camp. Bonding with the other crazy people who signed up for this is part of the experience. It's a bit easier to bond with them if you know how to find them :). Seeing the counters of all the people who are passing me and remembering how much farther this slacker still has to go is powerfully motivational. I personally don't really want to go out and write alongside other people, but other people do want to do that, and they're getting together to do it. Having writing partners does really kick some people into gear. Additionally, it seems that the Portland nanos are all relatively recent transplants to Portland, so here at least there is also the idea that this might be a way to find some new friends with at least one guaranteed common interest. gotta go, non-novel writing is wasted writing- susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 10:13:07 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Ghostship lj lindhurst wrote: > > Bailey's. Gah! Not a patch on Peter Olliver's Famous Irish Cream Recipe: http://olliver.family.gen.nz/irish_cream.HTM word to the wise: mix those eggs in well. And make sure you use a decent whisky. Stewart ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #419 ********************************