From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #408 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, October 27 2001 Volume 10 : Number 408 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: website and monks [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] It's always Mee Mee Mee, isn't it? [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Bayard's Christmas list [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] the ossuary in sedlec [gSs ] Re: iPod Announced [Christopher Gross ] Re: ok, so my timing's a bit off... [Christopher Gross ] nanowrimo ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] sam gamgee ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Sam iPod [Christopher Gross ] Re: Leaking Typo Machines ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] We're all Bjork fans now [steve ] We're all Bjork fans now (2) [steve ] Sparklehorse (0%RH) ["scary mary" ] No, he just went to good schools ["Redtailed Hawk" ] Re: Leaking Typo Machines ["Maximilian Lang" ] infidels ["Walker, Charles" ] Re: iPod Announced [Christopher Gross ] Re: iPod Announced [Tom Clark ] Re: infidels [Capuchin ] Re: iPod Announced [Capuchin ] Re: iPod Announced [Capuchin ] Oh, hell, not Israel again. (was Re: infidels) [Christopher Gross >And only 2 broken links, 7 misnamed gifs and 743 typos... :I > >Gee, I didnt notice any typos;-). >But I did notice I couldnt get to some of your essays. Grrrr. >What kind of pedent are you anyway? heh. where the two links say <...writing.htmlpages/writing> it should say <...writingpages/writing.html>. Those are the two broken (well, mistyped) links. >You know, I get email all the time from people asking me about the care >and feeding of monkeys, how to smuggle them in and out of countries that >don't like to let them in our out, and lots and lots of breeding >questions. I've received maybe fifteen questions about coffee and three >asking if I was some sort of friar. I just assumed you were 'the hooded one' James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 00:13:21 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: It's always Mee Mee Mee, isn't it? >On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, James Dignan wrote: >> PS - reap: Bertie Mee (no, US fegs, don't worry, you've almost certainly >> not heard of him. But as someone who liven in north London in 1971, respect >> is due) > >Well, I was in Wembley in late 71 So was Bertie Mee. He was manager of Arsenal's double-winning side. >PS Those black and blue flags are too weird for words ... thanks for that, they were worth it then :) >PPS I like the Middle English past participle of "to live" :) In future I'll stick to pleyen at thas gittare... James PS - ghoulishest? James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 00:14:16 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Bayard's Christmas list Wot, no Martin Newell's "Christmas in Suburbia"? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:35:55 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: the ossuary in sedlec > >until about three weeks ago, I'd never heard of this amazingly morbid > >monestary! Not sure if anyone mentioned this place, so if you are not familiar check out the ossuary in sedlec near Prague. Bones from 40,000 people used. There are bone chalices, a real bone coat of arms, bone crosses, a huge bone chandelier and two 15' bone bells. A definate must-see. The ossuary is located in the All Saints' Chapel which was built about 1400. The towers of the chapel have the jolly roger symbol instead of a cross. Here is a site with some pretty good pictures: http://www.ludd.luth.se/users/silver_p/kutna.html gSs now all my fathers they've gone down true love they've been without it but all their daughters put me down because I don't think about it - bd ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:55:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: iPod Announced On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Christopher Gross wrote: > Speaking of such things, I just used iTunes to rip MP3s from a CD for the > first time. When playing the MP3s in WinAmp at work, I noticed a lot of > gibberish showing up in the file info comment box -- long strings of > numbers and a few letters, interspersed with plus signs. Mystery solved! Well, sort of. I just checked and realized that all of the mp3s that showed this weird behavior were ripped from the same CD. Songs from other CDs behave normally. Apparently, there's something wrong with that CD, not iTunes or WinAmp. (The disc in question was Christian Death's _Only Theatre of Pain_, so probably a LOT of other people will have this same problem....) - --Chris np: Joy Division, "She's Lost Control" ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:51:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: ok, so my timing's a bit off... On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, bayard wrote: > these are left over from last year. i know you'd rather have pumpkin > carols about now, but in case you want to get ready for the coming season: > http://www.bitmine.net/~bayard/christmas/ You really are shameless, Bayard! Even the worst department stores usually wait until Nov. 1 to put out their Christmas displays. Am I going to see a fluorescent plastic Santa on the roof when I go home tonight? > for scary songs, see chris Typo there. You mean, "For a scary sight, see Chris!" - --Chris np: the Cramps, "Sheena's In a Goth Gang" ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:07:26 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: iPod Announced On Fri, Oct 26, 2001, Christopher Gross wrote: > Mystery solved! Well, sort of. I just checked and realized that > all of the mp3s that showed this weird behavior were ripped from the > same CD. Songs from other CDs behave normally. Apparently, there's > something wrong with that CD, not iTunes or WinAmp. (The disc in > question was Christian Death's _Only Theatre of Pain_, so probably a > LOT of other people will have this same problem....) I have it that CD. I will rip it and see if I see the same problem. - -Ken NP: Mac OS X 10.1 - playing for the first time. Really cool. Something got stuck, so I went into the terminal and killed it. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:31:59 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: nanowrimo > From: "Redtailed Hawk" > Drew and Gene and any other Nano > > Is this fangirl silly of me, or should we all do something like put in Robyn > Hitchccock as a minor character? > I think he'd make an excellent grave-excavator, I might even give him his > own "special" excavating machine(Kay visualizes a Robyn cartoon of such.) > This will work for me cause Ive got some grisley murders planned. I don't know if it's fangirl silly but I do like the idea, particularly as the story I have in mind -- something I've wanted to do for a while (but hadn't started on in any way, so it's fair game), but avoided because I wanted to do lots of research first -- has a very Hitchcock feel to it, I think. I might give him an anonymous cameo or something. :) > What genre are you guys doing or will you go all arty? Let's put it this way -- if Brenda's Iron Sledge were to make an appearance it wouldn't surprise anyone. :) I wouldn't call it "arty," but it will definitely be sillier than magic realism. "Fantasy" in the Carroll mode rather than the Tolkien mode. When this is over I hope we're all going to share. :) - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:40:28 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: sam gamgee > From: "Natalie Jane" > > I rather agree with those who claim that Sam is the true hero of LOTR (or at > the very least, equally as heroic as Frodo). But I also agree with my > father's main beef with LOTR, which is that the depiction of Sam is > repulsively classist, what with all his forelock-tugging and "Yes, master" > and "No, master" and ostensibly loveable rustic thick-wittedness. He does > eventually rise to the occasion, of course, and proves himself not to be so > thick-witted after all, but at least in "Fellowship of the Rings" he could > be pretty awful. Hmmmm...I guess I see where you're coming from, but I'm more than halfway through rereading Fellowship (it's much less boring now that I'm older, for some reason) and he has yet to be "pretty awful" in my opinion. He's totally charming, not because of his "classist depiction" but just because he is. I haven't really been overpowered by that depiction as I guess you and your dad were. But I cringe when I see the Nazguls described as "black men." That's a weird way of putting it, especially when they seem pretty pale later on under all the gothgear. > From: Tom Clark > Subject: Re: iPod Announced I'd be all over that if I had a little more spare cash and a Firewire port. Unfortunately my beige G3 is no help. :( - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:00:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Sam iPod On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > I'd be all over that if I had a little more spare cash and a Firewire port. > Unfortunately my beige G3 is no help. :( I have a beige G3 too. Maybe the iPod will inspire more production of Firewire PCI cards, and a consequent drop in price? The cheaper ones are already under $100, I think. Of course, I personally couldn't even afford a new mouse pad.... As far as the Nazgul go, don't the good guys start calling them "black men" or "black riders" early in the story, before anyone sees the pale wraiths under the black cloaks? Of course, the term "black men" still looks wrong to us, no matter how logical it is in the story.... - --Chris np: Wolfsheim, "Heroin, She Said" -- track 86 on my ten and a half hour Halloween mp3 disc! Woohoo! ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:02:02 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Leaking Typo Machines >From: "Redtailed Hawk" > >Is this fangirl silly of me, or should we all do something like put in Robyn >Hitchccock as a minor character? >I think he'd make an excellent grave-excavator, I might even give him his >own "special" excavating machine (Kay visualizes a Robyn cartoon of such.) That reminds me of the old David Bowie song "Please Mr. Gravedigger." >This will work for me cause Ive got some grisley murders planned. >What genre are you guys doing or will you go all arty? I'm not really planning anything other than dumping all the bits and pieces of novels I've had mouldering in my brain for the past decade into a big MS Word file called "novel.doc" and racing for the 50,000 word limit. I'm sure it'll end up being a scatterbrained series of unrelated tropisms -- so maybe I could get arty and call it Automatic Writing and say Antonin Artaud was my inspiration. I'm also sure lots of what is on my mind lately -- including a certain Mr. Hitchcock -- will end up in the novel, tho. Oh, and the Bugaloos. There will be *a lot* about the Bugaloos. There just has to be. I admit, though, that I am reading some fiction lately to get me geared up. I'm in the middle of Harry Crews' _Celebration_ as a matter of fact. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:09:12 -0500 From: steve Subject: We're all Bjork fans now > UNCENSORED BJORK VIDEO MAKES U.S. DEBUT AT LANDMARK'S INWOOD THEATRE. > "Pagan Poetry" music video, deemed too hot for MTV, will be shown prior > to > WAKING LIFE exclusively at the Inwood Theatre. Bjork postcard - http://www.landmarktheatres.com/extras/bjork%20postcard.htm Enter to win- http://66.111.76.40/contests/contest.asp?id=19 - - Steve __________ A New York Times investigation into overseas ballots that helped George W. Bush win the presidency found that Florida election officials, facing intense GOP pressure to accept military votes, counted hundreds of overseas absentee ballots that failed to comply with state election laws. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:11:10 -0500 From: steve Subject: We're all Bjork fans now (2) > UNCENSORED BJORK VIDEO MAKES U.S. DEBUT AT LANDMARK'S INWOOD THEATRE. > "Pagan Poetry" music video, deemed too hot for MTV, will be shown prior > to > WAKING LIFE exclusively at the Inwood Theatre. Bjork postcard - http://www.landmarktheatres.com/extras/bjork%20postcard.htm Enter to win- http://66.111.76.40/contests/contest.asp?id=19 - - Steve __________ I've noticed that this President's grassroots supporters cannot think of anything to say in his defense aside from screaming that he isn't Clinton. That wholly negative appeal, and not his mythic "likability," is Bush's primary asset. - Mark Crispin Miller ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:41:15 -0500 From: "scary mary" Subject: Sparklehorse (0%RH) This site has some cool Sparklehorse videos - especially the disturbing one by the lovely Brothers Quay: http://hollywoodandvine.com/sparklehorse/ Enjoy! s.Mary np - the soundtrack from Twin Peaks (one of my fav Halloweeny sounding/atmospheric cds) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:18:09 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: No, he just went to good schools An almost on-topic bit: http://www.gaywow.com/robinhood.htm _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:19:54 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Re: We're all Bjork fans now > Bjork postcard - > http://www.landmarktheatres.com/extras/bjork%20postcard.htm What is that, a *fake dead goose* around her neck? That's HYSTERICAL! Man, that Bjork is one funny gal... Damn, this is even better than the rubber chickens on "Homogenic"! John H. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:27:17 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Leaking Typo Machines >From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." >>I'm also sure lots of what is on my mind lately -- including a >certain Mr. Hitchcock -- will end up in the novel, tho. Oh, and the >Bugaloos. There will be *a lot* about the Bugaloos. There just has >to be. > > If I recall the Bugaloos would end every episode of the show asking viewers to write. Seems fitting. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:57:45 -0700 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: infidels >all they *really* want is for the "infidels" to >get out of the middle east. >if we did so, it appears quite likely the terrorist attacks against >"american interests" would terminate very quickly.> chas in LA replies: This is completely untrue. That is their justification. The Palestinians were given 95% of what they wanted by Clinton - 95%!! - and they walked away from the table and the deal. They do not want peace whatsoever, they will not reason. They are fighting a cultural/religious war while we tend to fight economic wars. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:52:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: iPod Announced On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Ken Weingold wrote: > On Fri, Oct 26, 2001, Christopher Gross wrote: > > Mystery solved! Well, sort of. I just checked and realized that > > all of the mp3s that showed this weird behavior were ripped from the > > same CD. Songs from other CDs behave normally. Apparently, there's > > something wrong with that CD, not iTunes or WinAmp. (The disc in > > question was Christian Death's _Only Theatre of Pain_, so probably a > > LOT of other people will have this same problem....) Hmph! Well now I've found rips from at least three other CDs with the same problem. Now I've come up with a different explanation: mp3s that I rip with iTunes 1.1 on my beige G3 at home have the gibberish in the comments box, while mp3s ripped with iTunes 1.1 on the G4s at the university do not. Weird. > NP: Mac OS X 10.1 - playing for the first time. Really cool. > Something got stuck, so I went into the terminal and killed it. > BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I like the "kill -9" command. Somehow it sounds so much more serious than just "kill." (Not sure if it works on OS X's version of Unix.) - --Chris np: Xymox, "Obsession" ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:13:59 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: iPod Announced on 10/26/01 4:52 PM, Christopher Gross at chrisg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu wrote: >> NP: Mac OS X 10.1 - playing for the first time. Really cool. >> Something got stuck, so I went into the terminal and killed it. >> BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! > > I like the "kill -9" command. Somehow it sounds so much more serious than > just "kill." (Not sure if it works on OS X's version of Unix.) > It sure do. Plus, there's a nice graphical version under the apple menu called "Force Quit", which I've had to use on Internet Explorer more than a few times. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:43:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: infidels On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Walker, Charles wrote: > This is completely untrue. That is their justification. The > Palestinians were given 95% of what they wanted by Clinton - 95%!! - > and they walked away from the table and the deal. They do not want > peace whatsoever, they will not reason. It's not a matter of REASONING. Clinton wasn't being reasonable when he offered something less than they were asking. The US is the interloper, we have no bargaining rights. I've used this analogy a hundred times on this very list. 1: We're going to shoot you in the head, both legs, each arm, and one foot. 2: I don't want to be shot at all. 1: OK OK OK... we'll just shoot you in the leg. 2: I will not make any compromise. 1: Well, you're totally unreasonable. That's just insane. You don't want to make a deal. By giving up even 5% (and how you quantify such things is beyond me... is this by number of individual demands? Was there some weighted scale applied? There are no sensible numbers for such a situation.), they are CONDONING those actions. It will be said that the peace accord ALLOWS those things the Palestinians find unacceptable and therefore they are now acceptable. Imagine someone stole your lunch and you demanded it back. If he made a deal to give you back everything but the Snak-Pak pudding, would you accept the deal? Are those REASONABLE terms? Are you just LOOKING for conflict by fighting against such a thing? > They are fighting a cultural/religious war while we tend to fight > economic wars. I ask you which is more worth fighting for: a way of life or a business model? It's true that they're fighting to preserve their culture for all of their people and children in perpetuity and the US is fighting to preserve profits for some small set of shareholders. Is that really a condemnation? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:47:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: iPod Announced On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Christopher Gross wrote: > Hmph! Well now I've found rips from at least three other CDs with the > same problem. Now I've come up with a different explanation: mp3s > that I rip with iTunes 1.1 on my beige G3 at home have the gibberish > in the comments box, while mp3s ripped with iTunes 1.1 on the G4s at > the university do not. Weird. That IS weird. Is it possible that the comment information is the CD ID key? > I like the "kill -9" command. Somehow it sounds so much more serious > than just "kill." (Not sure if it works on OS X's version of Unix.) It _should_ take all the standard switches. I believe it's the BSD implementation of procps. If you think `kill -9` sounds vicious, try `kill -SEGV` (or the slightly less harsh, but harsh-sounding -TERM, which is the default signal sent). Of course, you SHOULD just be sending a hang-up (SIGHUP: `kill -HUP` or `kill -1`). J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:49:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: iPod Announced On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Tom Clark wrote: > It sure do. Plus, there's a nice graphical version under the apple > menu called "Force Quit", which I've had to use on Internet Explorer > more than a few times. But since it ain't X, you probably don't have Viv's favorite: xkill. xkill gives you a little skull and crossbones cursor that will annihilate a window and its associated processes with a single click. Viv likes it so much, she sometimes won't use a more reasonable and friendly way to quit some programs... like they're "quit" commands. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:59:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Oh, hell, not Israel again. (was Re: infidels) >> This is completely untrue. That is their justification. The >> Palestinians were given 95% of what they wanted by Clinton - 95%!! - >> and they walked away from the table and the deal. They do not want >> peace whatsoever, they will not reason. > > It's not a matter of REASONING. Clinton wasn't being reasonable when he > offered something less than they were asking. The US is the interloper, > we have no bargaining rights. [etc.] First of all, it was *Israel* who made the offer; Clinton was just the mediator who urged them to do so. That's part of a mediator's job. Secondly, your argument/analogy assumes that the Palestinians are 100% right, the Israelis 100% wrong. Assume for the sake of argument that's true. Even so, most of the points of disagreement that sank the peace deal had to do with quibbles over exactly where the border between Israel and the Palestinian state would be. These are hardly fundamental moral questions, and I don't see why even Palestinian supporters should think it's wrong for them to compromise on this or that three-hectare slice of ground. Meanwhile, the Israelis *agreed* to the fundamental demand of Palestinian self-rule, as well as 95% of their territorial demands. If you think the Israeli offer was unacceptable, which specific Israeli positions do you think justified Arafat's refusal to sign a deal? Finally, just a practical matter: to have an agreement on anything, both sides have to give each other something they want (or else one has to be able to force the other to give in). Refusal to compromise indicates, if not a lack of desire for peace, at least an impractical attitude towards getting it. You might think Israel deserves nothing. Nevertheless, it stands to reason that the Palestinians will still have to give Israel *something* if they want peace. For example, giving Israel the slightest reason to think that an independent Palestinian state would be a peaceful neighbor might be a good place to start.... [Standard disclaimer: I support Palestinian statehood in the West Bank and Gaza, I oppose Israeli settlements there, I condemn violations of human rights in the occupied territories, etc.] - --Chris ps: I'm writing a longer piece in which I tie this all in with abortion, gun control, and the JFK assassination.... ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #408 ********************************