From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #402 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, October 20 2001 Volume 10 : Number 402 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Sam & Frodo [Capuchin ] flix ["Walker, Charles" ] the answer is.... [Jill Brand ] Overlooked fact [Eb ] Re: Stirring the pot... [Aaron Mandel ] Re: the answer is.... [Ken Weingold ] Mm good, mm good, thats what... ["Redtailed Hawk" ] Re: Uh.....Oops! Israeli sympathizer [steve ] Re: Mm good, mm good, thats what... [Eb ] Re: sf and fantasy [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: LotR [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: LotR [Viv Lyon ] Re: the answer is.... ["victorian squid" ] Re: David Gilmour recording with RH? ["lucifersam" ] Re: David Gilmour recording with RH? [Brian ] Re: pantywaist nerds [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Uh.....Oops! Israeli sympathizer [Greg Shell ] found on usenet [bayard ] Re: Uh.....Oops! Israeli sympathizer ["Maximilian Lang" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:11:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Sam & Frodo On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, The Great Quail wrote: > I certainly see what you are saying regarding Sam, but you are > dismissing Frodo all to easily. Frodo *is* a hero. I didn't mean to totally dismiss Frodo. But he's not much MORE of a hero than any other member of the Fellowship (with the possible exception of Boromir). Reminds me of a terrible argument I had with my sophomore honors English class in high school about the poem Penelope. I argued that Penelope was not a "hero" for keeping the home fires burning while Ulysses was gone, because it wasn't all that extraordinary. It's great, but it's a common greatness. I'm not saying Frodo had common greatness, surely it was extraordinary for a hobbit, etc., but The Hero, as far as the fellow who saved the day and who embodied the best characteristics of strength and goodness, was Sam. > I mean, you really don't think that Sam could have done it all by > himself? Nope. How would he have gotten through Moria? > Wow, talk about burying the geek needle. No kidding. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:11:13 -0700 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: flix >My opinion on this matter is influenced by the film of Ghost World -- >a totally different animal, of course, but a good example of a film >that departed radically from the source material but retained its >spirit and complemented the source instead of slavishly adapting it. >Instead of one story for the price of two, you get two for two. chas in LA replies: atom egoyen [sp] flick 'the sweet hereafter' operates similarly, except add the soundtrack with sarah polley singing - you get three for three, it is all about maintaining the mood and not the literal plot of the original. i think i saw sarah polley in a diner in studio city in the valley at 3;30am with some groover hip dirty LA kid. i think it was her.... http://www.theweeklywalker.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:15:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: the answer is.... Vera Lynn (Roberta got it right away) Her name appears in The Kinks' "Mr. Churchill Says", in Robyn's "The Yip Song", and in Travis's "U-16 Girls." I find this very strange. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:17:16 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Overlooked fact OK, I got one: Will Owsley (of "Owsley" fame) plays guitar on one track of the new *Charlotte Church* album. Bee-zarre. (Poor Charlotte -- looks like she may be taking a turn toward the "zaftig," rather than growing into the willowy, marketable nymph she was supposed to be. :P) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:21:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Stirring the pot... On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Capuchin wrote: > If the bombing of an abortion clinic is done by people trying to stop > the WTO, then it's a terrorist act. If the bombing of an abortion > clinic is done by Operation Rescue, it's simply an attack on the enemy > of an army. In exactly this way, the supposed attacks on logging > outposts and ski resorts by the so-called Earth Liberation Front are > not terrorist attacks. I think that's a terrible way to define your terms, because it is the attacker, in each circumstance, that decides who the "army" of their "enemy" is. If it's valid to declare people who sweep the floors in abortion clinics your enemies, then isn't terrorism just the special case of "attack on the enemy of an army" where the attackers say anyone who willfully persists in living in or traveling to a given area is the enemy? And then the distinction you made above doesn't exist, which probably wasn't your intention. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:27:58 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: the answer is.... On Fri, Oct 19, 2001, Jill Brand wrote: > Vera Lynn (Roberta got it right away) > > Her name appears in The Kinks' "Mr. Churchill Says", in Robyn's "The Yip > Song", and in Travis's "U-16 Girls." I find this very strange. Oh, then don't forget the song Vera Lynn from Pink Floyd. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:34:51 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Mm good, mm good, thats what... Finially got the digest to see that Ross beat me to the punch: yes, I ment Malcom Muggeridge. Kay, proud she could come up with one more MM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:38:06 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: pantywaist nerds On Friday, October 19, 2001, at 02:47 PM, Viv Lyon wrote: > Oh man! This morning I thought of the most _awful_ filk song for LOTR. > At > the very end, when Sam is elected Mayor of the Shire, they could play > "Mayor of Hobbiton" to the tune of XTC's "Mayor of Simpleton." I'm > ashamed > that this crosssed my mind. Speaking of filk, here's a couple of selections from the soundtrack - 10. The Council Of Elrond [featuring the song "Aniron (Theme For Aragorn And Arwen)" composed & performed by Enya] 18. May It Be [composed & performed by Enya] - - Steve __________ While still at the Department of Justice, Rehnquist provided the best definition of a strict constructionist I have ever encountered. It was in a memo Rehnquist wrote while he was vetting Judge Clement Haynsworth, one of Nixon's selections who was rejected by the Senate. Rehnquist wrote, in brief, that a strict constructionist was anyone who likes prosecutors and dislikes criminal defendants and who favors civil rights defendants over civil rights plaintiffs. That is as candid and blunt as you can get. And that is the real definition of a strict constructionist. - John Dean ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:46:24 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Uh.....Oops! Israeli sympathizer On Friday, October 19, 2001, at 10:47 AM, gSs wrote: > Slamming Nader,,, on this list? We know you won't do that. > Besides, he is the only thing that kept the Israeli sympathizer out of > office. But wouldn't that have made things even more interesting then > they > are now? Vs. the Israeli sympathizer that's currently in office? And Gore wouldn't have the creepy fundamentalist angle to consider. - - Steve __________ A U.S. anti-missile weapon was able to destroy a test warhead in space on July 14 partly because a beacon on the target signaled its location during much of the flight, defense officials said on Friday. - Reuters, 07/27/01 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:47:08 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Mm good, mm good, thats what... >Finially got the digest to see that Ross beat me to the punch: yes, >I ment Malcom Muggeridge. > >Kay, proud she could come up with one more MM Melanie Mayron. Mickey Most. Michael Moorcock. Mark Messier. Mike Mills. Marilyn Monroe. Mac McCaughan. Margaret Mitchell. Mark Morris. And of course, Mr. Magoo and the similarly impaired Michael Moore. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:55:52 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: sf and fantasy >> Lord of the Rings is not what one would classify as sci-fi. Certainly >> there are overlaps in the fan bases (perhaps notorious overlaps at >> that), but LOTR is of the epic fantasy genre. Which you probably >> knew. And I'm being a bonehead for pointing out. Oh well. > >my knowledge and curiosity on the subject is so shallow, i'd never even >really thought of them as different, though i see the point. dragons, >space aliens, gnomes, whatever -- neither's gonna show up in my living >room without the help of drugs. believe me, as someone who has just been helping to revise the constitution of a science fiction and fantasy club (and had to check that both were mentioned wherever one was, and had to make sure that the categories of the national awards did not unfairly favour one or the other, and who got involved in several deep discussions as to whether horror was a closely enough related genre to also be included, and...)... her... yup, they're different, but overlapping. I've heard a definition that says that science fiction is scientifically possible but implausible, and fantasy is scientifically impossible but plausible, but the exact definition of what is sf, what is fantasy, and what is scientifically impossible seems to change daily. >There are drugs that will help mythical creatures find your >living room? now there's a great plot-line for a book! >> As a side note - some are referring to LOtR as a 'trilogy' - strictly >> speaking, it was intended as one book, it's only in three volumes so the >> publisher could maximise their profit (please do correct me if i'm wrong.) another definition that sf and fantasy seems to bend - 'trilogy' seems to refer to any work of three *or preferably more* works. The first fantasy trilogy was therefore probably Wagner's Ring Cycle. James (who didn't know that Wagner had anything to do with washing machines) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:59:15 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: LotR >> Oh, and the songs -- a boon to filk musicians everywhere, I >> guess, but just filler as far as I'm concerned. > >Oh man! This morning I thought of the most _awful_ filk song for LOTR. At >the very end, when Sam is elected Mayor of the Shire, they could play >"Mayor of Hobbiton" to the tune of XTC's "Mayor of Simpleton." I'm ashamed >that this crosssed my mind. ye gods! filkers! A guilty secret of mine from years gone by... James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:11:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: LotR On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, James Dignan wrote: > >> Oh, and the songs -- a boon to filk musicians everywhere, I > >> guess, but just filler as far as I'm concerned. > > > >Oh man! This morning I thought of the most _awful_ filk song for LOTR. At > >the very end, when Sam is elected Mayor of the Shire, they could play > >"Mayor of Hobbiton" to the tune of XTC's "Mayor of Simpleton." I'm ashamed > >that this crosssed my mind. > > ye gods! filkers! A guilty secret of mine from years gone by... Then wouldn't you love to hear my song about Ringworld! The tune is "original," however, so I don't really think it qualifies as filk. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:18:28 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: the answer is.... On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:27:58 Ken Weingold wrote: >Oh, then don't forget the song Vera Lynn from Pink Floyd. There's also a Gary Numan song that mentions Vera Lynn. It's on "Music For Chameleons" but I forget the title. I'm thinking it might even be called "Vera Lynn". loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 02:07:54 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: David Gilmour recording with RH? well he actually played with the SB's tonight at RFH.....I think that may be enough!!!!!! haven't seen the magazine myself yet, but read an excerpt somewhere online. He definitely talks about > playing with RH, and I can only imagine it's in the studio.) > > Anyone know anything about this? I may have missed a discussion of it on the list earlier...? > -A ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:29:28 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: LotR >> ye gods! filkers! A guilty secret of mine from years gone by... > >Then wouldn't you love to hear my song about Ringworld! The tune is >"original," however, so I don't really think it qualifies as filk. filks can have original tunes too - most of them don't though. I'll add the best one I've ever written below. Of course, with filks 'best' is a relative term :) James - --- With apologies to Paul Simon, Arthur C Clarke, and Stanley Kubrick... You can call me HAL Mankind finds a big rock he says, why is regularly shaped and why is it big and black and what's it doing on the moon? I need keep it a secret, don't want people to know yet Don't want to start a panic, by letting the world know too soon, Maybe soon, maybe, off in the moonlight Far away, out to Jupiter it called Dr Floyd, brief some astronauts, gotta get them away from here You know it's time to be knocking on that alien door And if you'll be my astronaut, I can be your silicon pal, I can call you Dave, and Davie, when you call me You can call me HAL... A ship flies into space, It's got all the world's attention But I've got no intention, of letting the humans go all wrong They long for their homes and families, They wonder if they'll die here, I'll answer that for them This job'd be easier with them all gone, gone Frozen, lost in space or in some roly-poly little bat-faced pod All along, along there were incidents and accidents, There were hints and allegations... So if you'll be my astronaut, I can be your plastic pal, I could sing you Daisy, and Davie, when you call me You can call me HAL... A man flies into space, it's the space round a strange world Maybe it's the new world, maybe it's our next time around He doesn't understand it, he doesn't know what's happening He is an Earth man, he is surrounded by the stars and sound Psychedelic images, unearthly landscapes He looks around, around, he sees himself in the architecture Spinning in infinity, he says Amen! Hallelujah! But if you'll be my astronaut, I can be your silicon pal, I could sing you Daisy, and Davie, when you call me You can call me HAL... James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:44:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: LotR yOn Sat, 20 Oct 2001, James Dignan wrote: > With apologies to Paul Simon, Arthur C Clarke, and Stanley Kubrick... > > You can call me HAL That was great! And you even left applicable lyrics left untouched! Neat! Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:36:00 -0400 From: Brian Subject: Re: David Gilmour recording with RH? At Saturday, 20 October 2001, you wrote: >well he actually played with the SB's tonight at RFH.....I think that may be >enough!!!!!! > I hope someone recorded this! Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:31:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: pantywaist nerds "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > >From: Jeff Dwarf > > at least one other. my taste in sci-fi is almost vulgarly shallow > > (star wars, star trek, then can't be bothered; and can barely be > > bothered with that). > > No wonder, if that's all you've bothered with! > > I still love the introduction Harlan Ellison wrote for that American > run of ten Dr. Who novelizations, wherein he slams Star Wars and Star > Trek mercilessly. I can't get the term "pantywaist nerds" out of my > head. > > So what do you read, then? mostly, whatever my professors assign to me, which is to say mostly non-fiction, history, a few novels that they think fit in (this quarter: frankenstein, a doll's house (yes, i know it's a play), fathers and sons in one class; native son and grapes of wrath in another)... i didn't mean that to be dismissive. it's just that, for the most part, most scifi or fantasy stuff i've encountered just sort of leaves me cold. sort of like opera or hiphop. i have no problem with them per se; it's just that they don't really inspire any need to plumb its depths. or even it's not-quite-so-depths. ===== "Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." -- Mark Twain "The divinity of Jesus has been made a convenient cover for every absurdity." -- John Adams "The jury is the last line of defense against corporate misconduct." -- Craig McDonald, Texans for Public Justice Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:40:18 -0500 From: Greg Shell Subject: Re: Uh.....Oops! Israeli sympathizer At Friday, 19 October 2001, steve wrote: >On Friday, October 19, 2001, at 10:47 AM, gSs wrote: >> Slamming Nader,,, on this list? We know you won't do that. >> Besides, he is the only thing that kept the Israeli sympathizer out of >> office. But wouldn't that have made things even more interesting then >> they >> are now? > >Vs. the Israeli sympathizer that's currently in office? And Gore >wouldn't have the creepy fundamentalist angle to consider. I was referring of course to the creepy Torah thumper, but if you really want to consider creepy, consider Gore the creepy christian. Creepy christian, that sounds cool. They all use ancient superstition to guide their decisions. And then of course Gore thought that the US government should hold the decryption key to anything you might want to encrypt on your pc. CCCCrrreeeeeeppppyyyy, yep. gSs =end of email=== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:33:59 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: found on usenet since sunday is always a slow day here... ______ Subject: (fwd) Re: Are you hot, I mean, pouring with active tags? - -- forwarded message -- Path: grover.nit.gwu.edu!washdc3-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-ge.switch.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.dplanet.ch!HACTESA.AC.TH.POSTED From: Estefana Steinke-Filmore Newsgroups: rec.games.roguelike.angband,rec.games.roguelike.development Subject: Re: Are you hot, I mean, pouring with active tags? Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.email Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:01:31 GMT Organization: diAx dplanet (postings do not reflect the views of diAx) Lines: 60 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: hs1a09h01-e0.dplanet.ch X-Trace: duba04h09-0.dplanet.ch 1003450617 29702 212.35.34.198 (19 Oct 2001 00:16:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dplanet.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Oct 2001 00:16:57 GMT Xref: grover.nit.gwu.edu rec.games.roguelike.angband:78192 rec.games.roguelike.development:6277 We shout them, then we gently eat Alfred and Susanne's ugly gardner. Both conversing now, Austin and Alexis loved the solid barns among fat pitcher. All thin spoon or hallway, and she'll firmly behave everybody. Why will we hate after Margaret calls the pretty signal's can? Her code was outer, clean, and irritates around the bedroom. It's very blank today, I'll pull wrongly or Pam will look the aches. Pauline's hen scolds near our cobbler after we jump outside it. 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Israeli sympathizer >From: Greg Shell >Reply-To: Greg Shell >To: car pot >Subject: Re: Uh.....Oops! Israeli sympathizer >Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:40:18 -0500 > >At Friday, 19 October 2001, steve wrote: > >On Friday, October 19, 2001, at 10:47 AM, gSs wrote: > >> Slamming Nader,,, on this list? We know you won't do that. > >> Besides, he is the only thing that kept the Israeli sympathizer >out of > >> office. But wouldn't that have made things even more interesting >then > >> they > >> are now? > > > >Vs. the Israeli sympathizer that's currently in office? And Gore > >wouldn't have the creepy fundamentalist angle to consider. >I was referring of course to the creepy Torah thumper.> >gSs > Oy vey. Shalom, Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:32:57 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: found on usenet Bayard forwarded stuff like... >We shout them, then we gently eat Alfred and Susanne's ugly gardner. Both >conversing now, Austin and Alexis loved the solid barns among >fat pitcher. All thin spoon or hallway, and she'll firmly behave everybody. >Why will we hate after Margaret calls the pretty signal's can? Her >code was outer, clean, and irritates around the bedroom. There are *scores* of those posts...some sort of twisted hacker mischief and/or campaign for territorial dominance. They're all loaded with seemingly nonsensical names and activities...I dunno, maybe they're intended to turn up in Google searches or something. Sometimes, they'll start off as ordinary porn scam, but then you scroll down and see the telltale namedropping paragraph.... Eb ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #402 ********************************