From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #397 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, October 18 2001 Volume 10 : Number 397 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: 12% Steve content ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: Halloween music [strange little woj ] Re: WHFestival [strange little woj ] Re: Happy Birthday [gSs ] 33% Bjork, 33% Sigur Ros, 33% Time Warner, 1% filler... ["Timothy Reed" <] no one move a muscle ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Hey, what about a David Lynch "Ring?" [The Great Quail ] Re: Hey, what about a David Lynch "Ring?" [Viv Lyon ] Re: Hey, what about a David Lynch "Ring?" [The Great Quail ] one of our stranger threads [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] The legal implications of Evil Burt [steve ] Jedi Religion? (NO RH%) [Mike Swedene ] [none] [Michael R Godwin ] Harry Potter, Soft Boys & ageing punks ["matt sewell" ] Stirring the pot... ["Thomas, Ferris" ] Re: Hey, what about a David Lynch "Ring?" [John McIntyre ] McCartney Tribute Contest [strange little woj ] Re: Stirring the pot... [gSs ] Re: McCartney Tribute Contest [Brian ] Re: Stirring the pot... [Capuchin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:27:39 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: Re: 12% Steve content >Granted, it's just a song fragment, but my song "I'm a fighter" is >the >only song (fragment) to use the words "bishop's mitre." Maybe. This song is sheer genius, by the way. >I also thought of Aragorn as looking rather Robyn-ish. However, I >cannot >brook the film's casting. He's too skinny and greasy-looking. But that's the way anyone would look after tromping through the wilds for twenty years without bathing. I don't like the long hair, personally, but I think Tolkien did have that in mind. >I've never even read the story, and I'm an adult (apparently), but >that >excerpt of yours really freaked _me_ out. Egad! Yeah, it is still freaky. Maybe we haven't changed that much from when we were kids, after all. n. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:50:24 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: Re: Halloween music when we last left our heroes, Christopher Gross exclaimed: >Hey, that reminds me -- my article on "Foucault, Derrida and the Use of >Punctuation in Skinny Puppy Song Titles" doesn't seem to have gone >out. Was it too long for the server, woj? I left out the footnotes to >keep it under 100 KB.... tripped the bozo filter, actually. practically took out the bozo filter, honeslty. look for it in a mailbox near you soon. right after the conclusion of quail's "a fegmas carol". +w ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:47:10 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: Re: WHFestival when we last left our heroes, Marc Holden exclaimed: >I was at that one--Violent Femmes, Gang of Four, The La's, Too Much Joy, King >Missle, etc. I was really disappointed when Robyn only played "So You Think >You're in Love"--probably the only Hitchcock song I actually disliked for >quite a while because WHFS would play it almost exclusively at times. Marc i went to one whfestival, but i don't recall which one (way too many jello shots). i remember peter himmelman playing early and completely winning over a rowdy crowd and i remember a lot of flying pizza boxes but that's about it. i seem to remember too much joy and the femmes but i may be manufacturing memories.... woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:17:04 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Happy Birthday > I'm sure that Eb has already brought this up, but I'm > on the digest. Jeme's birthday is today. Everyone should > put lit candles on their heads and spin around until > they are dizzy and fall down and light the place on > fire. I did. Yeah great. Ya think its all going ok until the hot wax drips on your hand. Jeez, another grand idea from you know who. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:26:29 -0400 From: "Timothy Reed" Subject: 33% Bjork, 33% Sigur Ros, 33% Time Warner, 1% filler... Bjork and Sigur Ros are playing a double-header on the HBO program 'Reverb' tonight. A friend who works on the show says that Bjork's mix will be 'more electronic.' I'm not sure what that means either but it's supposed to be good. Tim np: sore throat and a little post nasal drip. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:27:00 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: no one move a muscle >From: "Natalie Jane" > > >But why would you want to go and do that for? After all, it may be > >the only song in rock history to use the word "parthenogenesis." > >[...] > >I will argue that one of my songs is one of the few to use the word >"automaton." I will also argue that a song I'm working on now is the only >song ever to mention Grand Rapids, MI. Yeah -- I love the song, personally, but I stopped being impressed by its use of the word "parthenogenesis" quite a long time ago. >(It's weird what scares you when you're a kid.) For me, it was this text-only adventure game called Raaka-Tu, and also a sequence in John Bellairs's fantastic _The Figure in the Shadows_ where Lewis Barnavelt imagines that a magical medallion he's acquired can never be removed, and the skin of his chest grows over it as he gets older. Part of the reason that freaked me out was that I, too, wore a coin on a chain around my neck for many years when I was a kid. As far as I know it wasn't magical. > >Natalie, your next assignment is A CHINESE GHOST STORY, a ghost >romance > >with an excellent flying Taoist priest. > >Right on! I actually think I might have seen this, or something similar, on >a community access channel in Ann Arbor. But I don't do anime, unless the >absence of characters with huge eyes and tiny mouths can be absolutely >guaranteed. (That's why I agreed to see "Princess Mononoke." The >characters actually looked *Japanese*!) I don't think they looked Japanese, personally, though they did look a bit more realistic. Maybe our tastes are too different -- I have no aversion to stylized characters -- but I wasn't too impressed by _A Chinese Ghost Story_. One important note, though -- anime purists insist that you must see the subtitled versions of these things only, but in this case the subtitles are incredibly mundane compared to the English dub script. [FROM HELL] >Oh yeah, that's out now, isn't it? I'm prepared to be disappointed. I just >read the book a few months ago and it really, really scared me - I actually >had nightmares about it. I can't imagine that the film could live up to >that, partly because the sheer horror of the comic depended a good deal on >Eddie Campbell's artwork. I'm prepared for disappointment for pretty much the same reason. Plus I watched the trailer. And of course Heather Graham is in it, and she might just be the shittiest actress of her generation. Oh well. And I agree with Kenneth that Depp is not the right actor for the role, though I'm not sure who is. >From: "Kenneth Johnson" > >I'm sure there are always those who >will lament the loss of Tom Bombadil. I'm sure not one of them -- it was the best news about the film I've heard yet! I'm rereading Fellowship in "preparation" for the film, and for a while I found it much smoother reading than I remembered. Then I hit a brick wall with Bombadil and find myself reading as though running through treacle (all the more difficult because I only know through report what treacle is)... Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:37:51 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: Hey, what about a David Lynch "Ring?" >I also thought of Aragorn as looking rather Robyn-ish. However, I >cannot brook the film's casting. He's too skinny and greasy-looking. First of all, points fro using "brook" as a verb. I don't have a problem with Aragorn, but in my mind he looks more rough, more like a Russel Crowe. I admit to having been influenced by the Bakshi movie, which had a very realistic Aragorn, I thought. You know, Ihave a feeling that Lord of the Rings will do quite well for another reason -- it is in many ways a political fable, one that will certainly reinforce the feeling of the Anglo-American West banding together to combat a dark foe with hordes of scary followers. Please note I that I stated that as neutrally as I could! Oh, and I saw Mullholland Drive, and I can't get it out of my mind. It's like Echer directing a noir film. Oh, that David. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:13:55 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: the ghost in you Hoodoo Gurus -- Another Ghost Ship Hoodoo Gurus -- Hayride to Hell R. Dean Taylor -- There's a Ghost in My House The Fall -- There's a Ghost in My House P. Furs/2 Live Crew -- The Ghost in You plus the soundtrack to DiPalma's Phantom of the Paradise ('74) mixes well w/ Rocky Horror, even if it's by some shlock popster. The "betcha can't eat just one" nature of threads like this always reminds me of a time when I was a peon in a performing arts library & a girl came in & asked "Do you have a list of all songs about cars?" I tried to point her in the right directions for research, but it was Friday & that nite when I went drinking (this was before internet or even ArpaNet) no sentence could be finished without someone yelling "Hot Rod Lincoln" or some such. Anyway, because it doesn't involve family, Halloween is a great holiday for singles. But what I like most is any event encouraging costumes, being something else. - --- Bradbury-- I still chuckle at "Pillar of Fire" where some forgotten creaky old spook comes back to a squeaky clean future, walks into a library & asks "Do you have anything by Lovecraft?" & the perky librarian perkily says "Oh! Is that a sex book?" - --- James-- Sexy Beast was a ton o fun! Managed to be convincing about all the danger & violence but still ultimately have a sort of jovial tone. Some cool camera stuff -- a bit of a "Performance" allusion in that last tunneling shot to the final, forgiving(?) look at Kingsly. I'm becoming a big Kingsly fan, he was the best Fest I've ever seen in the recent Trevor Nun film of Twelfth Night. - --- Kay-- Now we're *all* going to be wanting wild boars. Ross Taylor "The darkness around us is deep" -- William Stafford Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:04:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: Hey, what about a David Lynch "Ring?" On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, The Great Quail wrote: > First of all, points fro using "brook" as a verb. My legal writing professor detests the passive voice, so I've been unearthing all manner of dusty old verbs. > I don't have a problem with Aragorn, but in my mind he looks more > rough, more like a Russel Crowe. I admit to having been influenced by > the Bakshi movie, which had a very realistic Aragorn, I thought. Russell Crowe, eh? Hm. I think of Aragorn as more hawkish and sinister than dear Mr. Crowe, sexy though he be. And I hate hate hate and hate Ralph Bakshi and that awful rotoscoping. > You know, Ihave a feeling that Lord of the Rings will do quite well > for another reason -- it is in many ways a political fable, one that > will certainly reinforce the feeling of the Anglo-American West > banding together to combat a dark foe with hordes of scary followers. That is a very good point. In many ways LOTR is quite culturally backwards, full of classism and racism. Was that neutrally stated? I hope so. But, apropos of nothing, let's please address the fact that the true hero of the book is Sam, faithful diligent courageous Sam. Not Frodo. Sam. Vivien ps- Happy birthday to Jeme, Sam to my Rosie Cotton. Gosh, none of you wanted to know that, right? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:34:25 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Hey, what about a David Lynch "Ring?" Vivien writes, >That is a very good point. In many ways LOTR is quite culturally >backwards, full of classism and racism. Was that neutrally stated? I hope >so. It is indeed filled with classism and racism, as is most epic fantasy. (Meaning it does not function on some level as satire, such as Gormenghast.) And of course, both classism and racism are related, especially when they are inscribed into a species itself! Thus, Elves are noble and good, and swarthy orcs and inherently evil. I think that's part of the symbolic power of these stories on a certain level - -- it is both a strength and a weakness. And characters like Gollum or Wormtongue, who are members of "good" races who have exposed themselves to the influence of evil, become debased and degenerate rather than inherently evil.... I have always wanted to write a paper called "deconstructing epic fantasy," but I do not have the academic patience for it.... >But, apropos of nothing, let's please address the fact that the true hero >of the book is Sam, faithful diligent courageous Sam. Not Frodo. Sam. Oh, please. We all know the true hero is Goldberry. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:04:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: Hey, what about a David Lynch "Ring?" On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, The Great Quail wrote: > >But, apropos of nothing, let's please address the fact that the true hero > >of the book is Sam, faithful diligent courageous Sam. Not Frodo. Sam. > > Oh, please. We all know the true hero is Goldberry. Oh, Tom. We knew you'd say that. I'm as peeved as you are that your scenes have been cut, of course. I think it was LJ's insistence on serving the hobbits pancakes instead of bread and honey that resulted in the excision. Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:03:32 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: one of our stranger threads >I will argue that one of my songs is one of the few to use the word >"automaton." I will also argue that a song I'm working on now is the only >song ever to mention Grand Rapids, MI. for that matter, one of my songs uses both the words 'crustacea' and 'barometric'. Is Eno the only person to use "spectrograph' in song lyrics? Or Paul McCarney to use 'inclement'? And is our Robyn the only person to have mentioned Leatherhead, Frognal, or Anubis in his lyrics? Whee! This is fun! >Theo (Dr. Seuss) wrote the book GREEN EGGS AND HAM for >a $50 bet to see if he could write a COMPLETE story >using 50 words or less. So he sat down and wrote the >classic story that we have read. I am certain the >librarians of the group knew this but I thought it was >neat. Now my professor is going to give me 50 words >to make a story out of. I can only use those words >and I get extra points if it rhymes. >Now my professor is going to give me 50 words >to make a story out of. I can only use those words >and I get extra points if it rhymes. John Sladek wrote a lovely one of these using only the 50 most commonly used words in the language (hm... maybe it was 25). Can't remember the title, but it's in the anthology 'Keep the giraffe burning'. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:50:41 -0500 From: steve Subject: The legal implications of Evil Burt The legal implications of Evil Burt http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20011017_hodes.html __________ Apple is so happy that Eb bought a new iMac that they're introducing some kind of digital music hardware thing next Tuesday. - - Steve __________ A New York Times investigation into overseas ballots that helped George W. Bush win the presidency found that Florida election officials, facing intense GOP pressure to accept military votes, counted hundreds of overseas absentee ballots that failed to comply with state election laws. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:26:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Jedi Religion? (NO RH%) My friend sent me this, it may take your minds off of the LOTR debate. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1589000/1589133.stm Herbie ps- Disappointed was I when I read on a Burger King bag www.lotr.bk.com Is Frodo or Gollum going to be eating a whopper with a gremlin perhaps? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:01:15 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: [none] On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Viv Lyon wrote: > But, apropos of nothing, let's please address the fact that the true hero > of the book is Sam, faithful diligent courageous Sam. Not Frodo. Sam. Yeah, yeah. And Hermione is the hero of the Harry Potter books... - - Mike "What does we wissh? We wissh for fissh" Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:23:25 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Harry Potter, Soft Boys & ageing punks Feckin' Harry Potter... literary Coca Cola... grrr, chiz, curses etc... On a happier note, looks like we're going to the RFH, thanks to the wonderful Tony B... here's hoping Dave Gilmour stays well away from the SB's set! Godders - are you going to be there? Any other fegs for that matter - Jim, Brian, Joe? It's been a good week - on top of Tony's kind offer, I have had the pleasure of supporting TV Smith, him out of the Adverts, what wrote Gary Gilmore's Eyes... which he played! What a crowd pleaser (crowd was <20 people)! Blimey one week Attila the Stockbroker, the next TV Smith... I wonder which ageing punk it's going to be next... Cheers Matt >From: Michael R Godwin >Reply-To: Michael R Godwin >To: fegmaniax >Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:01:15 +0100 (BST) > >On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Viv Lyon wrote: > > But, apropos of nothing, let's please address the fact that the true hero > > of the book is Sam, faithful diligent courageous Sam. Not Frodo. Sam. > >Yeah, yeah. And Hermione is the hero of the Harry Potter books... > > >- Mike "What does we wissh? We wissh for fissh" Godwin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:56:33 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Harry Potter, Soft Boys & ageing punks On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, matt sewell wrote: > On a happier note, looks like we're going to the RFH, thanks to the > wonderful Tony B... here's hoping Dave Gilmour stays well away from the > SB's set! > Godders - are you going to be there? Any other fegs for that matter - > Jim, Brian, Joe? No such luck - finances are too tight this month. Give a special cheer for me when the Pretty Things play 'Private Sorrow'. And don't underestimate David Gilmour, the only man who can sing an entire heavenly choir on 'Saucerful', if I remember that 1968 Hyde Park free concert correctly ... - - Mike Godwin PS Disagree with Quail about good and evil in Middle Earth. The really evil characters are the ones who have a choice and deliberately choose power rather than hobbies. Saruman and Denethor are the prime sinners. Smeagol is too weak to be an evil character: he is overmastered by the ring and lacks the strength to follow his good impulses thorugh. As for poor old Grishnakh, Ugluk, Snaga, Shagrat, Gorbag and co: well, they never had a chance really - bad environment, poor housing conditions, no playing fields, never got through Key Stage 3 ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:50:44 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: one of our stranger threads James writes, >Is Eno the only person to use "spectrograph' in song lyrics? Man, that's my favorite Eno lyric! >And is our Robyn the only person to have >mentioned Leatherhead, Frognal, or Anubis in his lyrics? You know, I think Iron Maiden lost an excellent opportunity when they chose not to use "Anubis" in the song "Powerslave." - --Quail, who plans to die with his boots on, whatever that means. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:10:42 -0400 From: "Thomas, Ferris" Subject: Stirring the pot... Regarding the new anti-terrorism act in Congress and from the ACLU website (http://www.aclu.org/congress/l100801d.html) <-snip-> Under federal law there are already three definitions of terrorism - international terrorism, terrorism transcending national borders and federal terrorism. The September 11th attacks triggered all three of these definitions. Under Section 803 of the USA Act, a person commits the crime of domestic terrorism if within the U.S. they engage in activity that involves acts dangerous to human life that violate the laws of the United States or any State and appear to be intended to: (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping. The Administration has not adequately explained why this new crime should be created or why the definitions in existing anti-terrorism laws are insufficient. This over-broad terrorism definition would sweep in people who engage in acts of political protest if those acts were dangerous to human life. People associated with organizations such as Operation Rescue and the Environmental Liberation Front, and the World Trade Organization (WTO) protesters, have engaged in activities at that could subject them to prosecution as terrorists. <-snip-> WTO protesters prosecuted as terrorists? Great idea! <-snip-> The ACLU does not oppose the criminal prosecution of people who commit acts of civil disobedience if those acts result in property damage or place people in danger. That type of behavior is already illegal and perpetrators of these crimes can be prosecuted and subjected to serious penalties. However, such crimes often are not "terrorism." <-snip-> Agree whole-heartedly with all but the last bit. BS it's not terrorism. Their actions (WTO protesters) are meant entirely to intimidate. If they were interested in getting opinions aired then looting, burning, and vandalizing isn't the way to do it. ______________________________________ Ferris Scott Thomas programmer McGraw-Hill Education 860.409.2612 ferris_thomas@mcgraw-hill.com (email) "We are all worms, but I do believe that I am a glow-worm." -Winston Churchill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:22:44 -0400 From: John McIntyre Subject: Re: Hey, what about a David Lynch "Ring?" Viv Lyon wrote: > .But, apropos of nothing, let's please address the fact that the true hero > of the book is Sam, faithful diligent courageous Sam. Not Frodo. Sam. And where have we seen that before? Cervantes, anyone? John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:34:57 -0400 From: "Larry O'Brien" Subject: New To List Hi. I'm new to the list. I've been a Hitchcock fan since 1989. I have a couple of shows on CDR and was hoping to increase my collection. I also trade Grateful Dead and related as well as Led Zeppelin. Aside from that, is Rhino liquidating its inventory of older Hitchcock releases? They seem to be on backorder everywhere and unavailable from Rhino itself. I have most of the older studio releases with the exception of You and Oblivion, Invisible Hitchcock, and the Groovy Decay Sessions. Larry O'Brien ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:00:22 -0400 From: strange little woj Subject: McCartney Tribute Contest got this from ice magazine: >Robyn Hitchcock covers Paul McCartney's "Let Me Roll It" on the new tribute >"Listen to What the Man Said!" ICE magazine is hosting a trivia contest at >www.icemagazine.com in which 5 people will win copies of the album. the contest details are at . woj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:12:16 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Stirring the pot... On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Thomas, Ferris wrote: > Agree whole-heartedly with all but the last bit. BS it's not terrorism. > Their actions (WTO protesters) are meant entirely to intimidate. If they > were interested in getting opinions aired then looting, burning, and > vandalizing isn't the way to do it. Fortunate sons and daughters or not who couldn't stay in school long enough to get a degree and now kinda slither through the system working to various degrees in some seasonal service position between paid WTO demonstrations and ever distancing relatives are mostly harmless unless they engage in malicious type criminal activity, i.e... destruction of property (private yes, but especially public), inducing panic or attempting to do so, assault or reckless endangerment etc... Once they cross that line, I say fuck em'. That applies to everyone equally. Hurting or attempting to hurt my feelings, trying to enlighten or dissuade someone with signs, banners, chants or slogans at a rally or demonstration, big or small is one thing, but physically attacking someone or their property in any manner that is not directly defensive is not acceptable. But, busting windows and burning cars is not terrorism. Those people are more like flies and we already have measures in place to control the flies. I wonder then if we regarded the hourly or salaried activists as hired soldiers, then wouldn't we then have to reclassify the crime and therefore the punishment? Protest demonstrations and rallies are great unless the participants become violent. If that happens you better duck, this ain't highway 61. Or is it? We have to be careful about labeling people or organizations as terrorists. Hooligans and terrorists are not the same. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:01:04 -0400 From: Brian Subject: Re: McCartney Tribute Contest What's the answer to the trivia question? Any one know? Trivia Question: Which artist DID NOT contribute a track to Listen to What the Man Said: A Tribute to the Music of Paul McCartney? Owsley Semisonic Matthew Sweet Paul Westerberg SR-71 Thanks, Nuppy At Wednesday, 17 October 2001, you wrote: >got this from ice magazine: > >>Robyn Hitchcock covers Paul McCartney's "Let Me Roll It" on the new tribute >>"Listen to What the Man Said!" ICE magazine is hosting a trivia contest at >>www.icemagazine.com in which 5 people will win copies of the album. > >the contest details are at http://www.icemagazine.com/promotions/mccartney_175.html >. > >woj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:45:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Stirring the pot... On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Thomas, Ferris wrote: > Under Section 803 of the USA Act, a person commits the crime of domestic > terrorism if within the U.S. they engage in activity that involves acts > dangerous to human life that violate the laws of the United States or any > State and appear to be intended to: (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian > population; Cool, so whenever a state declares martial law, that's terrorism. Whenever riot cops are sent out, that's terrorism. > Agree whole-heartedly with all but the last bit. BS it's not > terrorism. Their actions (WTO protesters) are meant entirely to > intimidate. If they were interested in getting opinions aired then > looting, burning, and vandalizing isn't the way to do it. You clearly have a mistaken idea of what happened at the WTO protests in Seattle. First and foremost, the "looting, burning, and vandalizing" was not done by protestors. Second, all protest is a kind of intimidation. We're talking about the powerless attempting to influence the powerful. Getting opinions aired is totally useless when the powerful control the media and are above public opinion anyway. So the public opposes them, big deal! As we all know, it's almost impossible to elect someone from outside the two parties into public office and the two parties are in agreement, so the issue doesn't even get discussed in public and no matter who you vote for, the winner supports the WTO. I recommend you get yourself a copy of "This Is What Democracy Looks Like", the documentary made at the WTO protests in Seattle. It paints a very different picture than the one in the national media. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #397 ********************************