From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #396 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 17 2001 Volume 10 : Number 396 Today's Subjects: ----------------- 12% Steve content ["Natalie Jane" ] 100% Dr Seuss Trivia (No Rh%) [Mike Swedene ] mostly halloween [dmw ] RE: mostly halloween ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Christmas for Woj, Halloween for others [The Great Quail ] My life in the bush of Ghosts [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Halloweenies Roasting on an Open Fire ["Redtailed Hawk" ] Hey, guess wut? [Eb ] Re: Hey, guess wut? [Tom Clark ] Re: 12% Steve content [steve ] one more halloween [dmw ] Re: Hey, guess wut? [Sebastian Hagedorn ] WHFestival ["Marc Holden" ] Wild Boar in the Garden ["Redtailed Hawk" ] Happy Birthday [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:52:28 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: 12% Steve content >But why would you want to go and do that for? After all, it may be >the only song in rock history to use the word "parthenogenesis." Oh man, my friends in Shreveport will start singing "Nemesis" at the *slightest* provocation. If anything even reminds them remotely of Shriekback, they burst into song - "Big black nemesis, parthenogenesis..." Arrgh... I will argue that one of my songs is one of the few to use the word "automaton." I will also argue that a song I'm working on now is the only song ever to mention Grand Rapids, MI. Re. LOTR: >Everything I've seen in the three trailers has been either just like >I >imagined it, or different but in a much better way ("oh, so THAT's how it's >supposed to look"). Yes, yes, exactly. Like, Aragorn looks nothing like I imagined him (I picture a sort of Robyn-like figure - tall, lanky, salt-and-pepper hair, 45-55 years old), but he still looks right. I can swallow the plot changes, e.g. substituting Arwen for Glorfindel. Hey, at least it adds another notable female character to the story, and Glorfindel was sort of a nebbish, anyway. >A story about a man rising from the dead (in _S Is for Space_, I >think) >really weirded me out when I was about 9 years old. When I was a kid, I got really freaked out by "Chrysalis," where a guy goes through a weird caterpillar-type metamorphosis. The part where he's inside the chrysalis and realizes he's not breathing, "BECAUSE I HAVE NO LUNGS!" - that scared the shit out of me. (It's weird what scares you when you're a kid.) >Truth be told, one of the old HK film tricks is to actually speed up >the >film at certain points. Yeah, I noticed the sped-up film, but even the stuff at normal speed was pretty damn quick. >Natalie, your next assignment is A CHINESE GHOST STORY, a ghost >romance >with an excellent flying Taoist priest. Right on! I actually think I might have seen this, or something similar, on a community access channel in Ann Arbor. But I don't do anime, unless the absence of characters with huge eyes and tiny mouths can be absolutely guaranteed. (That's why I agreed to see "Princess Mononoke." The characters actually looked *Japanese*!) >I think there's a special dispensation for JC fans, just because he's >so >good at what he does. Phew! Besides being the human equivalent of a rubber band, he's also cute and personable, which makes his films even more fun. I hear that in Hong Kong they call him "Big Nose." >My next tip for a must-see movie is MONSTERS, INC., although Ebert >and the >other guy couldn't say enough nice things about FROM HELL. Oh yeah, that's out now, isn't it? I'm prepared to be disappointed. I just read the book a few months ago and it really, really scared me - I actually had nightmares about it. I can't imagine that the film could live up to that, partly because the sheer horror of the comic depended a good deal on Eddie Campbell's artwork. Glad that more good comics are being made into movies, and hoping this will get more people to read good comics, n. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:30:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: 100% Dr Seuss Trivia (No Rh%) So I learned something neat in class today and figured I might as well share it with the rest of you :) Theo (Dr. Seuss) wrote the book GREEN EGGS AND HAM for a $50 bet to see if he could write a COMPLETE story using 50 words or less. So he sat down and wrote the classic story that we have read. I am certain the librarians of the group knew this but I thought it was neat. Now my professor is going to give me 50 words to make a story out of. I can only use those words and I get extra points if it rhymes. Fun! WOW! Herbie ps - if anyone else wants to play along at home, let me know and I'll forward the list of words :) Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:42:28 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: mostly halloween On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Natalie Jane wrote: > Oh man, my friends in Shreveport will start singing "Nemesis" at the > *slightest* provocation. If anything even reminds them remotely of > Shriekback, they burst into song - "Big black nemesis, parthenogenesis..." > Arrgh... i played to an audience of 2000 folks on aids ride -- avery positive, non-spooky affair -- with no notice or time to prep. the only song that i could remember all the words & chords too, somehow, looking at that huge see of faces, was "nemesis," perhaps the most staggeringly innappropriate song in my repetoire, ever (could i remember any of my 40-some tunes? noooo) ... but was okay, 'cause hundreds of people cracked up watching the american sing language interpreter trying to deal with the lyrics. things i can't believe no one mentioned: *"DOA" by Bloodrock, the 9 minute opus where they guy's heart transplant saves his girlfriend (Altogether now: "WE HAVE A DONOR!") (on his solo album Buck Dharma of Blue Oyster Cult reversed the story with "Only Your Loving Heart, but that's almost certainly non-essenntial) *That Sonic Youth song (on Evol? or Sister?) where the guy is bleeding to death in the car. *Long Black Veil -- I'd go with Nick Cave's version. *The whole soundtrack to _Return of the Living Dead_ is great all through. Cramps, 45 Grave (my favorite...brain soup!) Roky Erikson, jet Black Berries.... *Just doing a search for "ghost" "vampire" etc at Allmusic.com - -- d. np Kevin Salem _Ecstatic_ (interesting) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:53:38 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: mostly halloween d, who can't believe no one mentioned: >*That Sonic Youth song (on Evol? or Sister?) where the guy is bleeding to >death in the car. Jeez, right you are. I think that's "In the Kingdom #19," off EVOL -- it's basically a Lee Renaldo story set to music. Bananafish published the full story a few years ago... While on SY, seems "Death Valley 69" and, hell, "Halloween" would be appropriate. - -ed ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:06:13 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: Christmas for Woj, Halloween for others A short Tori interview, online only: http://www.rollingstone.com/features/featuregen.asp?pid=62 - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:04:02 -0700 From: "Kenneth Johnson" Subject: Lord of the Rings From Hell re: LOTR As if possessed by Tolkien's own perfectionism, I doubt any die hard trilogy fan can expect to be 100% satisfied. I'm sure there are always those who will lament the loss of Tom Bombadil. I just hope it doesn't totally suck....but I really doubt that it will. I have yet to see any trailers and I like it that way.... re: From Hell the more I see and read about this upcoming film the more I am leary of it. The 16-part novel is amazing in depth and texture as well as good old fashioned grab you by the nape visceral experience. My main problem with the upcoming film treatment has to be Depp. I think J.D. is a fine actor, maybe even a bit underrated, but the choice for him to play the inspecter seems contrived and false. He just doesn't fit the part. It seems like they rewrote/reworked a lot of the character's relationships. On the television spots I see scenes of Depp and Graham groping and kissing each in desperate passion. This is total bullplug and contrary to the spirit of their characters' relationship. The disturbing, shock value of the novel should remain intact however, maybe even improved with the transfer to a colour treatment. The final Ripper murder will be the coup de gross (sic) of course. ~Kenneth ****** "We can have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we cannot have both." - -- Louis Brandeis ******* "What have we achieved in mowing down mountain ranges, harnessing the energy of mighty rivers, or moving whole populations about like chess pieces, if we ourselves remain the same restless, miserable, frustrated creatures we were before? To call such activity progress is utter delusion." -- Henry Miller ********* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:29:48 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: My life in the bush of Ghosts >Others no one has mentioned: >Specials -- Ghost Town >Garland Jeffreys -- Ghost of a Chance >Gary Brooker -- Ghost Train >Elvis Costello -- Ghost Train >Jonathan Richman -- Vampire Girl neither has anyone mentioned: John Cale - Paris 1919 The Chills - Ghosts, Dark Carnival, Creep Split Enz - Ghost girl The Stranglers - Ghost train (*) Kate Bush - Watching you without me, Waking the witch, (actually, quite a bit of kate's catalogue would work) Tori Amos - Happy phantom or even Kristin Hersh - Your ghost as far as mood, try Laurie Anderson's "Bright Red" album. It's darker than black, but it shines. >Someplace around here, I have a tape of something called "The UFO Message" >- -- 20 minutes of this very strange guy talking about the end times over a >bed of Moog noodling. It's unintentionally funny, but it still half creeps >me out; the guy's sincerety is a little unnerving, even when describing how >the migratory patterns of squirrels foretells the end of days. there's an Orb track that could be described in a similar way to that. Can't remember the title offhand though - "S.A.L.T." perhaps? And there's that Hendrix track where an interviewer asks him about UFOs... James * anyone else seen "Sexy Beast"? - foul language, vilence, and loads of fun! Ben Kingsley is brilliant as the determined psychopath Don - it would make a great double bill with "Gandhi" :) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:41:19 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Halloweenies Roasting on an Open Fire FOA--apologies to James for doing what everyone who isnt Neopagan does with Halloween. You made an all too telling remark in your post, which rang too true be brushed over, but like most American sacraligious idiots, I cling onto my weenie Halloween customns cause ... welllll--they sure are fun. Most holidays are not holidays for women, they're rites of torture. Clean the house, decorate, make the feast, get everyone to get along. Halloween is the only holiday one dosnt have to cook for. Relatives(truely scary monsters) do - -not- descend. Its a relief to be able to be stupid and scary and happy and throw candy around. So apologies for all this(including a dumb ref to the Chills;-). - --------------------- Stewart: >And they don't even do it right any more. "Guising" is an old >Scottish >tradition where you dress up, wander round the >neighbourhood, and sign a >song/tell a joke, etc. If it's any good, >you get something. If it's not, >you don't. While Im not -quite- bent enough to follow LuciferSam's suggestion of using the little darlings as pumpkin wicks, we do make the kids follow the old tradition. Yup, we make them tell a joke, sing a song, do a little dance and get down down tonight, unh huh, get down tonight. And ... they do. Must be cause we give em the good stuff(no apples or healthy doo-da, its chocolate, chocolate and more chocolate.)(The fact that my family and I are all running around and into each other on a major sugar-high must make the evening all the more amusing for the tykers too.) - --------------- Nat: >Before the film came - to my immense delight - the trailer for "Fellowship >of the Ring." It looks fucking awesome " Mike Wells: >I can't >freaking wait. I'm so stoked about this, I think my head's going to > >explode. Im going to play hookey from work and go to the first showing. Psyched is too tame a word ... (However, if I start saying anything bout dressing up first as Glome Wurfelblud, please be kind enough to lock me up:-). - ------------------ Ross describes Erikson: >you see a huge creature hunkered down with phosphoresent >hieroglyphics crawling over its matted fur and it begins to rise to its full height and turns >to look right into your eyes and it's Buddy Holly with a broken heart. Oh, so youve seen my costume for Glome Wurfelblud? You know, Ive always resisited giving this guy a try since he's always been peddled like some thin sort of novelty act. But that description, that description just sold me. Time to give it a go. - --------------- BTW--Every one who recced Ian M Bank's Sf, thank you. Im currently emeshed and enchanted in "Look to Winward." Theres a Wordsworth quote( yawn now) which makes me think of Banks. "Every great and original writer, in proportion as he is great and original, must himself create the taste by which he is to be relished." Well- thats what this SF tastes like. (And yes, that quote also makes me think of Robyn.) - -------------------- Chris, no one would ever mistake you for a goth. Its not just that you've got too many functional brain cells(that rule can -occasionally- be overuled), but that you have an unsufficient appetite for tat;-) Kay(too old to goth, too young to ghost) If to serenade almost to man Is to miss, by that, things as they are, Say that is the serenade Of a man that plays a blue guitar. Wallace Stevens _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:13:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Viv Lyon Subject: Re: 12% Steve content On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Natalie Jane wrote: > I will argue that one of my songs is one of the few to use the word > "automaton." I will also argue that a song I'm working on now is the only > song ever to mention Grand Rapids, MI. Granted, it's just a song fragment, but my song "I'm a fighter" is the only song (fragment) to use the words "bishop's mitre." Maybe. > Yes, yes, exactly. Like, Aragorn looks nothing like I imagined him (I > picture a sort of Robyn-like figure - tall, lanky, salt-and-pepper hair, > 45-55 years old), but he still looks right. I also thought of Aragorn as looking rather Robyn-ish. However, I cannot brook the film's casting. He's too skinny and greasy-looking. It's the only major misstep I can spot so far, though. > When I was a kid, I got really freaked out by "Chrysalis," where a guy goes > through a weird caterpillar-type metamorphosis. The part where he's inside > the chrysalis and realizes he's not breathing, "BECAUSE I HAVE NO LUNGS!" - > that scared the shit out of me. (It's weird what scares you when you're a > kid.) I've never even read the story, and I'm an adult (apparently), but that excerpt of yours really freaked _me_ out. Egad! Vivien ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:32:55 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Hey, guess wut? I bought an iMac over the weekend. :) Eb np: OS 9.2, and the mystery of Keychains ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 18:10:37 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Hey, guess wut? on 10/16/01 5:32 PM, Eb at elbroome@earthlink.net wrote: > I bought an iMac over the weekend. :) > > Eb > > np: OS 9.2, and the mystery of Keychains > Let me guess: Indigo? - -tc P.S. Don't bother with the Keychain. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:34:01 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: 12% Steve content >> Natalie, your next assignment is A CHINESE GHOST STORY, a ghost >> >romance with an excellent flying Taoist priest. On Tuesday, October 16, 2001, at 11:52 AM, Natalie Jane wrote: > Right on! I actually think I might have seen this, or something > similar, on a community access channel in Ann Arbor. Foolish young tax collector falls in love with beautiful ghost girl. Ghost girl does not bring fytc back to evil tree spirit to whom she and other ghost girls are enslaved, this robbing tree spirit of lunch. Tree spirit casts ghost girl into hell and fytc and Taoist priest must rescue her. Your basic love story. Like many HK series, films 2 and 3 are retellings of 1, with variations on a theme. > But I don't do anime, unless the absence of characters with huge eyes > and tiny mouths can be absolutely guaranteed. (That's why I agreed to > see "Princess Mononoke." The characters actually looked *Japanese*!) The characters in the Chinese Ghost Story anime look Chinese, in a Shaw Brothers costume epic sort of way. This is a good thing. All of Miyazaki's films would be safe, as would the other Studio Ghibli productions (not to mention their high quality). http://www.nausicaa.net/ For what it's worth, Miyazaki's new film SPIRITED AWAY will pass TITANIC next month and take back the number 1 spot for box office in Japan. MONONOKE was number 1 before the big boat passed it. http://www.sentochihiro.com/index2.html (in Japanese) >> My next tip for a must-see movie is MONSTERS, INC., although Ebert >> >and the other guy couldn't say enough nice things about FROM HELL. > > Oh yeah, that's out now, isn't it? I'm prepared to be disappointed. I > just read the book a few months ago and it really, really scared me - I > actually had nightmares about it. I can't imagine that the film could > live up to that, partly because the sheer horror of the comic depended > a good deal on Eddie Campbell's artwork. FROM HELL starts Friday. They remarked on how several shots from the film looked very much like panels from the comic. Could be OK, and would Ebert steer you wrong? - - Steve __________ There he was, lips curled and eyes pursed, sweating his way through a text written for him about a complex subject, the depth of which, other than its political implications, he clearly had no way of understanding. - Les Payne, on the Bush stem cell speech ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:42:38 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: one more halloween these are less musical perhaps, but might be good tails for mix tapes: the last song one one of NY-based new-psychedelic low-fi dude Brother JT's album ends with some snippet presumably stolen from a radio or tv talk show, in which someone is talking about setting up a tape recorder to capture voices that allegedly manifest in a room when people are asleep. this notion kind of gives me little shivers in broad daylight, it seems so thoroughly creepy. the person says something like, "i played it back and all i heard was 'don't wake up, don't wake up' over and over again, and then you hear a little bit of tape-motor noise (you know that kind of thing you hear on an old-fashioned tape recorder with the tiny-little built-in mic, where mostly what you hear is the sound of the cassette squeaking around, into which the hoaxer has presumably dubbed a distorted voice intoning "don't wake up." but even when you know perfectly well it's a hoax, i thought it was pretty danged eerie. it may have helped that i was listening alone, late at night, in a completely deserted office building... and of course, there's the "sounds from hell" http://amightywind.com/hell/audiofilelinks.htm - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:12:50 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Hey, guess wut? - --On Tuesday, October 16, 2001 18:10:37 -0700 Tom Clark wrote: > on 10/16/01 5:32 PM, Eb at elbroome@earthlink.net wrote: > >> I bought an iMac over the weekend. :) Good for you! >> np: OS 9.2, and the mystery of Keychains >> > > Let me guess: Indigo? That's what I'd take... From the previous ones Tangerine was my favorite. > > -tc > > P.S. Don't bother with the Keychain. I disagree. For apps like Timbuktu or Interarchy the Keychain is a godsend. Enjoy, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Winter is coming. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:30:20 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: WHFestival I was at that one--Violent Femmes, Gang of Four, The La's, Too Much Joy, King Missle, etc. I was really disappointed when Robyn only played "So You Think You're in Love"--probably the only Hitchcock song I actually disliked for quite a while because WHFS would play it almost exclusively at times. Marc I wish I had a kryptonite cross, because then you could keep both Dracula AND Superman away. --- Jack Handey From: Christopher Gross Subject: goths and Robyn (was Re: Halloween) Funny you should ask! I just saw this on a local goth/industrial club's mailing list (during a discussion of the radio station WHFS): "I'll check it out! WHF$ sold out 16 years ago, so it is effectively one generation removed from any respectability it once had. I credit Robyn Hitchcock with the HFFestival in the those few years he graced DC with his august presence." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:28:56 +0000 From: "Redtailed Hawk" Subject: Wild Boar in the Garden Found this short bit on usenet and thought it might be of -some- intrest: " In all the work on the LOTR film, the one person who I never heard >mentioned in connection with it was Christopher Tolkien. Did he >have anything to do with the script or giving legal approval or >anything? Has he commented on the film? He, like most of Tolkien's family, has made a point of having nothing to do with the films. There are several reasons for this. First of all, he doesn't want to give the impression to any degree that Jackson's vision of Middle-earth has his explicit approval: even if he had just dropped by the set, some people might start saying "If Christopher didn't object to this detail, it must be RIGHT." Second, he is very concerned about the frenzy of fan interest that the films will bring: Tolkien's family is already practically in hiding to avoid the armies of the devoted (we've heard that Christopher actually keeps a wild boar in his garden to deter tresspassers). Third, it's possible that he's not all that thrilled with the idea of putting LotR on the big screen at all, though I don't know that we've seen him make any comments to this effect." This is pretty much as I figured it would be, but I just love the bit about the wild boar. Kay If to serenade almost to man Is to miss, by that, things as they are, Say that is the serenade Of a man that plays a blue guitar. Wallace Stevens _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:18:55 +0000 From: Subject: Happy Birthday I'm sure that Eb has already brought this up, but I'm on the digest. Jeme's birthday is today. Everyone should put lit candles on their heads and spin around until they are dizzy and fall down and light the place on fire. I did. Hate to brag, but I get to have lunch with some California fegs today. Okay, I don't really hate to brag. Happies, - -Sharq Boy R Dee ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #396 ********************************