From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #393 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, October 13 2001 Volume 10 : Number 393 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Loki [lj lindhurst ] Nuppsaid ["Viola Rockiss" ] Halloween music [Christopher Gross ] RE: Halloween music ["Cynthia Peterson" ] Re: Halloween music [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Halloween music ["Mike Wells" ] spooky background music [jill sunderlin ] Re: Halloween music ["Jason R. Thornton" ] RE: Halloween music ["Bachman, Michael" ] Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal [Ken Weingold ] Re: Nuppsaid [Brian ] Re: Halloween music [The Great Quail ] Halloween Music [Brian ] Hot damn! [steve ] Re: Halloween music ["lucifersam" ] Re: reap [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Halloween music [Christopher Gross ] Re: Halloween music ["lucifersam" ] Re: Halloween music [Eb ] Re: Halloween music [Christopher Gross ] Re: Halloween music ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Halloween music ["Randy R." ] Re: Halloween music ["victorian squid" ] church service ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] molotove cocktail [Eleanore Adams ] Re: Halloween music [Eclipse ] Re: church service [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: molotove cocktail ["lucifersam" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:37:06 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: Loki >>>Nuppy nups, >>> >>> >Ha! That gave me a great idea for a cat name: Loki! >>> >>>Hey! That's our parrot's name! That's not a cat name, silly. > >Drew: >>ALL cats are Loki. It's more of a species descriptor. >> >>>From: "Thomas, Ferris" > >Yes, thanks one and all for helping me with the cat's name. Venus >and I both agree that Loki (Loki Nupp) will work just fine. At least >til he renames himself like all cats do. Otto my other cat became >"Shubba," whatever that means. You could name your cat Thor, and then it will be Loki the Parrot's arch nemesis and then we could fight them in a pit. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:15:27 +0000 From: "Viola Rockiss" Subject: Nuppsaid What I love bout Nupps name is not just its punning value but its perfect expression of opposites. It sounds like "yup" only with the n of "no" in front of it. Puralized)>;-0> So any pet with it as a last name -cant- go wrong with a first name. (And yes, my mind really -does- work like this.) Kay, who, working at a library on the tourist-route, sees alot of new shoes everyday(love the line. You dont understand? Dont worry - just more Mutton-Birds trivia.) We are all worms, but I do believe that I am a glow-worm. Winston Churchill _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:27:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Halloween music Soon we will be coming up on Halloween, widely acknowledged as the best holiday that has ever existed. In the spirit of the season, I thought I'd ask Fegs to post some of their favorite Halloween songs. I mean that in the widest possible sense -- they can be songs about Halloween (like "This is Halloween" from The Nightmare Before Christmas, or the Dead Kennedys' "Halloween," though the latter is a bit of a killjoy), songs about ghosts, vampires and other monsters (like the inevitable "Bela Lugosi's Dead" and "The Bloodletting"), songs featured in horror movies (Q Lazzarus's "Goodbye Horses"), Halloween novelty songs (like "The Monster Mash"), songs that you associate with Halloween for purely personal reasons, songs with an autumnal feel (or maybe a springtime feel for you Aussies and Kiwis?), and songs that are just plain spooky. All genres are welcome; it'd be neat to find, say, a ska song or cool jazz tune with a Halloween feel. - --Chris np: Goblin, "Suspiria" ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:09:59 -0700 From: "Cynthia Peterson" Subject: RE: Halloween music Gosh...so many come to mind. Probably at least half of Roky Erickson's catalog qualifies, but I only know the ones from the tribute album. Right off the top of my head: I Walked with a Zombie If You Have Ghosts And of course of course from Warren Zevon: Wherewolves of London Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner ~Cynthia - -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Gross [mailto:chrisg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu] In the spirit of the season, I thought I'd ask Fegs to post some of their favorite Halloween songs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:20:31 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Halloween music On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Christopher Gross wrote: > Soon we will be coming up on Halloween, widely acknowledged as the best > holiday that has ever existed. In the spirit of the season, I thought I'd > ask Fegs to post some of their favorite Halloween songs. Anything by Screaming Lord Sutch: my favourite is 'Till the following night' (as in "I get out of my long black coffin TTFN") Screaming Jay Hawkins "I put a spell on you" Roky Erikson "I walked with a zombie" Crazy World of Arthur Brown "Fire" Modest Petrovich Mussorgsky "Night on a bare mountain" (with Bill Tytla visuals of course) RH "Eerie green storm lantern" Stanley Holloway "With her head tucked underneath her arm" (is that what it's called?) Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs "Woolly Bully" Mothers of Invention "Invocation and ritual dance of the young pumpkin" That's all for now. - - Mike "frying tonight!" Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:02:27 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Halloween music from "Christopher Gross" Subject: Halloween music > In the spirit of the season, I thought I'd > ask Fegs to post some of their favorite Halloween songs. The "Munsters" theme; Most all early Blue Oyster Cult (i.e.'Tyranny and Mutation'); Gillian Welch's "Revival" has more of that rustling, autumnal feel; "Attack of the Mad Axeman" by Michael Schenker has more of that headless-horseman feel; For some strange reason, I like Warren Zevon more during this time of year; "Master of Puppets" by Metallica Anything by King Diamond (except "No Presents for Christmas," which is one of the all-time classic xmas songs); "Walking Man" by James Taylor I suppose mostly though I like the fall for its introspective, cyclical feel...and for that I usually listen a lot to solo acoustic guitarists like Doyle Dykes, Harvey Reid, and Michael Beaumont. Of couse RH usually shows up quite a bit too, mostly in the form of IODOT. But my all-time favorite has to be a little ditty - can't remember the artist - found on one of Dr. Demento's old discs call "I'm a Were-cow." Michael "moo, moo, moo" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:15:53 -0400 From: jill sunderlin Subject: spooky background music Diamanda Galas -- Plague Mass sounds incredible if you can put a speaker behind some foliage, close to the door of the visiting children/people. We've done it for a few years now, at my brother'n'laws house in town. rather unsettling... j ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:36:54 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Halloween music At 11:27 AM 10/12/2001 -0400, Christopher Gross wrote: >In the spirit of the season, I thought I'd >ask Fegs to post some of their favorite Halloween songs. For something just a tad tongue-in-cheek, I'd suggest the Gothic Archies EP "The New Despair." It's like Joy Division with a sense of humor. If you want some really "spooky" ambient music, check out just about any album by composer Harold Budd. As far as "autumnal" stuff goes, David Sylvian's song "September" always puts me in a Fall mood. "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:18:29 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Halloween music At 11:27 AM 10/12/2001 -0400, Christopher Gross wrote: >>In the spirit of the season, I thought I'd >>ask Fegs to post some of their favorite Halloween songs. >For something just a tad tongue-in-cheek, I'd suggest the Gothic Archies EP >"The New Despair." It's like Joy Division with a sense of humor. >If you want some really "spooky" ambient music, check out just about any >album by composer Harold Budd. >As far as "autumnal" stuff goes, David Sylvian's song "September" always >puts me in a Fall mood. For some reason, I always listen to Everything But The Girl's "Idelwild" a lot durring this time of the year. The only song that is Fall related is 'Shadow on a Harvest Moon', and the song itself has nothing to do with Fall, only the title does. A lot of the songs are melancholy, or remembering past times. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:20:25 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: terrorizing the terrorists Here you go: . "Remarks: Yasin is an epileptic.". All you have to do is lock him in a room with that Wang Chung video on an endless loop. All set. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:01:50 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal After seeing this guy on CNN last night, I felt the need to do this: . - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:23:28 -0400 From: Brian Subject: Re: Nuppsaid I like this way of thinking! ;) Nuppy At Friday, 12 October 2001, you wrote: >What I love bout Nupps name is not just its punning value but its perfect >expression of opposites. >It sounds like "yup" only with the n of "no" in front of it. Puralized)>; - -0> >So any pet with it as a last name -cant- go wrong with a first name. >(And yes, my mind really -does- work like this.) > >Kay, who, working at a library on the tourist-route, sees alot of new shoes >everyday(love the line. You dont understand? Dont worry - just more >Mutton-Birds trivia.) > >We are all worms, but I do believe that I am a glow-worm. > Winston Churchill > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl. asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:59:00 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Halloween music Halloween, yessss, my precioussss..... Gyorgy Ligeti's "Requiem" is one of the creepiest pieces of music ever written, and is great to play as you barbecue stray trick-or-treaters. Other good classical pieces like this include Schnittke's "Pslams," Shostakovich's "String Quartet No. 8," and Sir Peter Maxwell Davies' early song cycles. I know Chris already pegged it, but Bauhaus is a must, especially "Bela Lugosi." Tangerine Dream's "Zeit" is pretty creepy.... Oh yeah! And Diamanda Galas' "Plague Mass," as Kay suggested. Eeeek. - --Quail - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.TheModernWord.com "All visible objects, man, are but as pasteboard masks. But in each event -- in the living act, the undoubted deed -- there, some unknown but still reasoning thing puts forth the mouldings of its features from behind the unreasoning mask. If man will strike, strike through the mask! How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall?" --Herman Melville, "Moby Dick" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:07:43 -0400 From: Brian Subject: Halloween Music They Might Be Giants: Hall Of Heads The Monochrome Set: Love Goes Down The Drain Our Beloved: Happy The Golden Prince Lady Water and the Hooded One Sleeping With Your Devil's Mask Lobster Man yes indeed: Erie Green Storm Lantern The Man With The Lightbulb Head Bones in the Ground - -Dear God, there must be a ton more... Nupp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:54:37 -0500 From: steve Subject: Hot damn! OK, here's a *real* HK film for Natalie, and easily available to boot - http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/review/2001/10/12/iron_monkey/index.html Looking forward to Iron Monkey tonight and Spriggan tomorrow. - - Steve __________ My solution to the Microsoft problem? Nationalize Windows and let Mr. Bill keep the rest. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 22:07:54 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Halloween music Gotta say, from a Brit (London) point of view. I find Halloween to be a pain in the friggin arse.Spotty little shits banging on your door demanding dosh or other stuff. Throw a bowl of dish water at the little bastards i say ... > Soon we will be coming up on Halloween, widely acknowledged as the best > holiday that has ever existed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 11:10:34 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: reap >they will both be in the '\program files\netscape\users\here>' sub on a widows based machine typo, or truth? - your call. Eb, is that Netscape Communicator you're talking about? If so and you haven't had any luck yet, let me know. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:42:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Halloween music Some great suggestions so far! They will inform my mp3-hunting and CD-buying for weeks to come. (As far as I'm concerned, the Halloween season extends from October 1 to the second week of November, or even later.) Keep 'em coming! Roky Erickson -- I don't recall ever hearing him or his bands, but the All Music Guide makes him sound potentially Robynesque ("garage psychedelia," influence on REM, etc.), and his bout of insanity gives his bio a slight Syd-Barrettish feel. Does his music sound at all like Robyn's or Syd's? I agree that IODOT is a very autumnal-sounding RH album. And it's interesting that someone else mentioned Metallica's _Master of Puppets_. I've always considered it a Halloweeny/autumnal album, but I thought that might just be because I listened to it so much in the fall of 1986. I think "The Thing That Should Not Be" was inspired by Lovecraft (as was "The Call of Ktulu" on _Ride the Lightning_). The suggestion to play Diamanda Galas' _Plague Mass_ as background music sounds good. Personally, I've always wanted to play the _Litanies of Satan_ at a beach party, or maybe a wedding reception. A few more suggestions of my own: - -most, if not all, Dead Can Dance songs - -Shriekback's "Nemesis" always sounded like a Halloween party song to me, even disregarding the lyrics - -LOTS of industrial songs qualify, of course; but two very Halloweeny songs that might be known outside the genre ghetto are Ministry's "Cannibal Song" and Skinny Puppy's "Chainsaw." - -and of course there's Ministry's early synthpop single "Everyday is Halloween" - -Thomas Dolby, "She Blinded Me with Silence" - -Smashing Pumpkins, "Eye" (from the Lost Highway soundtrack) - -Die Krupps, _October File_ (and they have a song called "Halloween" on a later album) - -the Cranes, _Wings of Joy_ - -Bevis Frond, "Miskatonic Variations" - -.45 Grave, "Party Time" (from the CLASSIC film Return of the Living Dead) - -lots of Black Sabbath, especially side 1 of their debut album and "Children of the Grave" - -lots of goth songs, of course; details upon request On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, lucifersam wrote: > Gotta say, from a Brit (London) point of view. I find Halloween to be a > pain in the friggin arse.Spotty little shits banging on your door > demanding dosh or other stuff. Throw a bowl of dish water at the little > bastards i say ... Personally, I'm all in favor of going out to party on Halloween and ignoring the trick-or-treaters. But if you want to stay home ... well, when they say "trick or treat!," they don't specify who gets tricked, do they? Have some fun with 'em. - --Chris np: Faith and the Muse, _Annwyn, Beneath the Waves_ ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 23:55:23 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: Halloween music Set fire to the little shits! that'll be fun;0) ... well, > when they say "trick or treat!," they don't specify who gets tricked, do > they? Have some fun with 'em. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:21:23 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Halloween music >I agree that IODOT is a very autumnal-sounding RH album. And it's >interesting that someone else mentioned Metallica's _Master of Puppets_. >I've always considered it a Halloweeny/autumnal album, but I thought that >might just be because I listened to it so much in the fall of 1986. And to think that just a few days ago, Gnatalie was ridiculing the XTC list for discussing albums which go with certain seasons. ;) Eb np: Roxy Music remasters ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:26:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Halloween music On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Eb wrote: > >I agree that IODOT is a very autumnal-sounding RH album. And it's > >interesting that someone else mentioned Metallica's _Master of Puppets_. > >I've always considered it a Halloweeny/autumnal album, but I thought that > >might just be because I listened to it so much in the fall of 1986. > > And to think that just a few days ago, Gnatalie was ridiculing the XTC list > for discussing albums which go with certain seasons. ;) Hey, that reminds me -- my article on "Foucault, Derrida and the Use of Punctuation in Skinny Puppy Song Titles" doesn't seem to have gone out. Was it too long for the server, woj? I left out the footnotes to keep it under 100 KB.... - --Chris np: Rocky Horror sdtk, "Time Warp" -- another great Halloween song ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:28:01 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Halloween music At 04:21 PM 10/12/2001 -0700, Eb wrote: >And to think that just a few days ago, Gnatalie was ridiculing the XTC list >for discussing albums which go with certain seasons. ;) Personally, I'd be more interested in a thread discussing what music goes best with various seasonings. For example, RH has always struck me as a Garlic Pepper flavored artist... ;) Jason ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:16:20 -0700 From: "Randy R." Subject: Re: Halloween music I'd say most anything by The Misfits, back when Glenn Danzig actually had a sense of humor. "Ghouls Night Out", "Mommy, Can I Go Out and Kill Tonite?", "Skulls", "Die My Darling", "American Nightmare", "Halloween", etc. etc. Or for something really scary and nightmarish, try Alex Lifeson's solo effort ; ) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:07:03 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: Halloween music Some I haven't seen yet. Scary/creepy/teeth on edge: Tom Waits- Potters' Field Scott Walker- Tilt (album) David Bowie- Scary Monsters (obvious!), Repetition, Breaking Glass, Aladdin Sane Velvets- Black Angel's Death Song Roxy Music- In Every Dream Home A Heartache John Cale- Leaving It Up To You, Gun, Sudden Death, Heartbreak Hotel Leonard Cohen- Everybody Knows Donovan- Season of The Witch Eerie by association: Roy Orbison- In Dreams Silly/fun: Nervous Norvus- Transfusion(!), Fang Jumpin' Gene Simmons- Haunted House The Cadillacs- Peek-a-boo David Seville- Witch Doctor Screamin' Jay Hawkins- Monkberry Moon Delight Jad and David Fair- Monster Songs for Children (album) The Who- Boris The Spider loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:52:36 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: church service Man, did you guys really tell me that STARFISH and GOLD AFTERNOON FIX were the worst Church albums? I'm trying to listen to what the compilation calls "the best of the Church," and five songs in I can't for the life of me see what could have been so great about those first few albums. That terrific atmosphere (that "goth" element Eb used to tease me about fetishizing) hasn't made any appearance yet, and that's what I really am coming to appreciate about these guys. In other news: I'm only lately realizing how much I love "Earthly Paradise." It used to be a nice ending to a not-so-great album, and it's grown to be one of the highlights for me. Drew - -- Andrew D. Simchik, drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:55:47 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: molotove cocktail Our condo got hit with a molotov cocktail. i live in an almost all asian building. i live in the Bay area. This nationalist patriot racism is such bullshit. No one got hurt, but we got property damage. eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 00:29:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Eclipse Subject: Re: Halloween music thanks to my third grade music teacher, i can never think of halloween music without thinking of Saent-Saens' "Danse Macabre", which remains one of my favorite classical pieces to this day. a bunch of Siouxsie tunes also come to mind, like "Spellbound", "Voodoo Dolly", "Melt" (and probably other stuff off _A Kiss in the Dreamhouse_).. EN would probably make some good screechy klanky noisy unsettling background music for a halloween party or something.. :) GWAR always seemed representational of halloween, too, heh.. Eclipse "happy happy halloween, halloween, halloween / happy happy halloween, silver shamrock" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Eclipse | eclipse@best.com If this is not what you expected, please alter your expectations. "i guess one person can make a difference - but most of the time, they probably shouldn't." - Marge Simpson On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, victorian squid wrote: > Some I haven't seen yet. > > Scary/creepy/teeth on edge: > Tom Waits- Potters' Field > Scott Walker- Tilt (album) > David Bowie- Scary Monsters (obvious!), Repetition, Breaking Glass, > Aladdin Sane > Velvets- Black Angel's Death Song > Roxy Music- In Every Dream Home A Heartache > John Cale- Leaving It Up To You, Gun, Sudden Death, Heartbreak > Hotel > Leonard Cohen- Everybody Knows > Donovan- Season of The Witch > > Eerie by association: > Roy Orbison- In Dreams > > Silly/fun: > Nervous Norvus- Transfusion(!), Fang > Jumpin' Gene Simmons- Haunted House > The Cadillacs- Peek-a-boo > David Seville- Witch Doctor > Screamin' Jay Hawkins- Monkberry Moon Delight > Jad and David Fair- Monster Songs for Children (album) > The Who- Boris The Spider > > loveonya, > susan > > > Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:15:10 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: church service - -- "Andrew D. Simchik" is rumored to have mumbled on Freitag, 12. Oktober 2001 17:52 Uhr -0700 regarding church service: > Man, did you guys really tell me that STARFISH and GOLD AFTERNOON FIX > were the worst Church albums? Well, I don't particularly like GAF, but Starfish I do like... > I'm trying to listen to what the > compilation calls "the best of the Church," and five songs in I can't for > the life of me see what could have been so great about those first few > albums. Em, what songs are on that? > That terrific atmosphere (that "goth" element Eb used to tease me > about fetishizing) hasn't made any appearance yet, and that's what I > really am coming to appreciate about these guys. Hmm. Not sure I know what you mean. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Winter is coming. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:22:31 +0100 From: "lucifersam" Subject: Re: molotove cocktail Incidents like this are real crap I'm afraid, but sadly there are plenty of morons all over the planet who carry on like brain dead idiots - ----- Original Message ----- From: Eleanore Adams To: fegs! Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:55 AM Subject: molotove cocktail > Our condo got hit with a molotov cocktail. i live in an almost all asian > building. i live in the Bay area. This nationalist patriot racism is > such bullshit. No one got hurt, but we got property damage. > > eleanore ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V10 #393 ********************************