From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V10 #385 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, October 5 2001 Volume 10 : Number 385 Today's Subjects: ----------------- obNaNoWriMo (was Buff Kilts) ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: lennon tribute on TNT [Julie Nelson ] Fwd: Libana/Voice of the Turtle September 11 Benefit Concert (fwd) [Jill] Trick to get CDs cheap in Canada ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] ono sideboard (was Re: lennon tribute on TNT) [HAL ] RE: lennon tribute on TNT ["Poole, R. Edward" ] NaNoWriMo / SomStoWriHo [Aaron Mandel ] Re: lennon tribute on TNT [HAL ] Re: lennon tribute on TNT ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Lennon tribute on TNT [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] URL for you! [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: lennon tribute on TNT [Eb ] Re: lennon tribute on TNT [Capuchin ] Re: lennon tribute on TNT [HAL ] Re: lennon tribute on TNT [Eb ] Re: lennon tribute on TNT [Eb ] Re: lennon tribute on TNT [HAL ] Re: lennon tribute on TNT [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:00:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: obNaNoWriMo (was Buff Kilts) From: [somebody lost in a murky sea of attributes] > >Susan, Gene, you gonna do it? (No, not the pageant sillies)! I am seriously considering it, and I have been reading up on technique. A favorite writer of mine, Rudy Rucker, has some good advice which I will probably use: . November is looking to be a crazy month for me, though, and I do think it'll present quite a few distractions (that includes any and all probable T'Pol decontamination scenes). But at least I've still got a month to decide if I'll write a novel or not. NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:28:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: lennon tribute on TNT On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Julie Nelson wrote: > Not trying to alarm anyone, I just want to point out [Yoko Ono's] > positive contributions. Earlier this year I found a thing of hers that went something like this: 500 noses are more beautiful than one nose. Even a telephone number is more beautiful if 200 people think of it at once. and I have to say, this made me happier than any John Lennon song ever has. If she was asking for thousands of dollars to perform little conceptual winks like this I can understand folks thinking her art was one enormous scam, but just on their own merits, I think her pieces are quite charming. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:36:11 +0200 From: Julie Nelson Subject: Re: lennon tribute on TNT >Mike: > > I haven't seen it, but I read a description which said that it consisted > of a ladder and a magnifying glass. When you had climbed to the top of the > ladder, there was a small sticker (on the ceiling?) which you could only > read with the magnifying glass. You can guess what was written on it. > Nicely described! The piece is actually called "Ceiling Painting." I saw it at this Walker exhibit and it was lovely. Being a retrospective, it was interesting to see how her artwork changed over time. Her artwork was positive and playful, until John died. After his death, she made an installation piece, consisting of a stark white room where everything was cut in half: 1/2 a chair, 1/2 a rug, 1/2 a painting. It was stunning, especially in context with her other work. Julie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:36:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Fwd: Libana/Voice of the Turtle September 11 Benefit Concert (fwd) I don't know how many Boston area people are on this list or how many like to listen to "world music" (gag, I hate that term, but that's where you'll find this music at the store), but from having seen Voice of the Turtle 3 times in concert, I've got to say that this should be a great event. Their music is fabulous, the concert is free, and if you don't want to give a donation, you don't have to. I'm just passing on this gift of an opportunity. If there is anything offensive in what is written below, please flame me off-digest. Jill - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- A Benefit Concert Music of Peace, Reflection, and Hope A Concert with Libana and Voice of the Turtle Sunday, October 14, 2001, 7:30 p.m. Harvard-Epworth Church, Harvard Square 1555 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA Admission free Dear Friends, As the aftermath of the tragic events of September 11th continues to unfold, one thing is clear to us; the need for music, and the arts, has never been greater. People continue to express an ongoing need to reflect, heal, and seek solace. In response to that, and as a gift to our community, Libana and Voice of the Turtle will present a concert on Sunday, October 14th -- to soothe, to heal, and to reinvigorate all of our work toward peace, justice and respect for life. As our friends and supporters, you know that an essential aspect of the mission of both Libana and Voice of the Turtle is to promote the appreciation and celebration of cultural diversity -- Libana, through traditional and contemporary women's music from around the world, and Voice of the Turtle, through the traditions of the Spanish Jews who preserved their unique musical repertoire in exile for more than 500 years. Through the beauty and power of music, we feel it is possible to hear the common voice of the human soul as it is expressed by the diverse people who live on our shared earth. This concert is free. However, donations will be gratefully accepted to benefit the families of victims of September 11th, as well as ongoing global efforts toward world peace. All contributions will be forwarded to the offices of The American Friends Service Committee and The Tides Foundation. Please pass this email along to anyone you know who might like to join us. We look forward to greeting you. In peace, Libana Lisa Bosley, Allison Coleman, Charlotte Miller, Marytha Paffrath, Susan Robbins, Linda Ugelow, and Cheryl Weber Voice of the Turtle Derek Burrows, Lisle Kulbach, Jay Rosenberg, and Judith Wachs ***************************************************** Harvard-Epworth Church is located at 1555 Mass. Ave., a couple of blocks outside of Harvard Square on Mass. Ave. towards Arlington. Harvard Square is on the Red Line T. There is on street parking available on Sundays in Cambridge. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:48:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Trick to get CDs cheap in Canada > From: "da9ve stovall" > > I bought all the XTC remasters at www.absound.ca - same trick, > but even cheaper. They came in at about $11-$12 per disc, which > beats the hell out of any American price I've ever paid before > for Japanese imports. Wow, that webstore rocks. Thanks for the great tip. obZappa: they've even got the new Japanese remastered Zappa and Mothers CDs, at *half* the price of what the American stores are charging for them. Yay, Canada! Wow, I am enjoying the new Ben Folds record. It makes me smile. NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 11:54:14 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: lennon tribute on TNT Julie: > Dare I state something on behalf of Yoko, the artist. > Not trying to alarm anyone, I just want to point out > her positive contributions. No argument from me. I saw her in concert in Chicago on the RISING tour (w/Sean on guitar) and it was absolutely riveting. If you've heard that album, it's Yoko at her most 'primal' and watching her perform that material, well, intense isn't that half of it (and she had to be pushing 60 at the time). Her early conceptual stuff inspired John's "Imagine" (just read her book "Grapefruit" which is loaded with instructional pieces; 'imagine' this, 'imagine' that, etc.) and without her, I doubt we would have had 'bagism', 'bed-in's for peace', their series of avant-garde albums and films and all those things that we love about John's solo years (artistically). After John died, the video she assembled for "Woman" was powerful as hell. At the current Rock 'n' Roll Hall of fame Lennon exhibit, the first thing you see are Yoko's 'wishing trees'; two trees filled with visitors wishes on white cards hanging from the branches that you are encouraged to add to. Then, up the stairs into the exhibit proper you are immediately confronted with the piece "12.8.80" consisting of John's bloody glasses from the night he was murdered and the still-unopened bag of his personal belongings from the hospital that were returned to her. Only then can you venture in to see his guitars and other memorabilia. The juxtaposition is a sensory whallop, and was conceptualized by Yoko. I like Yoko's art. However, there's a lot of crap she's done as well. Watch the host and the audience (and yes, John himself) squirm during their week-long stint on the Mike Douglas show as Yoko smashes a plate and then glues it back together. Listen to Beatle bootlegs when she starts yelling, "Jooooooohn, Johhhhhhnnnn" out of nowhere while the band tries to rehearse as John mutters "bloody hell..." Without John's levity and honesty and humor to offset her approach, she comes off as full of shit sometimes, and the constant reinforcing of the johnandyokomyth is wearing thin 20 years on. Her insistance on pushing Sean on a CD buying public is veering into the pathetic. It's the yin and the yang. /hal ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 12:40:05 -0600 From: HAL Subject: ono sideboard (was Re: lennon tribute on TNT) Aaron wrote: > Earlier this year I found a thing of hers that went something like this: > 500 noses are more beautiful than one nose. Even a telephone > number is more beautiful if 200 people think of it at once. > I think her pieces are quite > charming. They can also be quite harrowing (albeit, in a charming way!) Witness some of her 'instructional' period: HIDE-AND-SEEK PIECE (1964) Hide until everybody goes home. Hide until everybody forgets about you. Hide until everybody dies. BLOOD PIECE (1960) Use your blood to paint. Keep painting until you faint. (a) Keep painting until you die. (b) P.S. (1969) If the butterflies in your stomach die, send yellow death announcements to your friends. [But, to finish on an upbeat...] TUNAFISH SANDWICH PIECE (1964) Imagine one thousand suns in the sky at the same time. Let them shine for one hour. Then, let them gradually melt into the sky. Make one tunafish sandwich and eat. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:46:50 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: lennon tribute on TNT HAL, still hopped up on brain sugar: >Her insistance on pushing Sean on a CD buying >public is veering into the pathetic. As is your teeth-gnashing insistence that Ono wickedly twisted the Lennon tribute into an AHA! chance to "prop up her kid onstage," who otherwise wouldn't have been welcome. Or that Sean concocted (gasp) negative Beatle comments only because it would allegedly help sell records. You are waaaaaay too fixated on this stuff. Your performance of the past few days has been, well, kinda embarrassing to watch. Eb, ever looking forward to Sean's next release and to seeing him live someday (if I rejected artists solely based on technically weak singing voices, I'd probably own 40% less albums) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:19:48 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: lennon tribute on TNT Hal, you now have my permission (tee hee, that's a joke) to be annoyed with Eb. Eb: >You are waaaaaay too fixated on this stuff. Your performance of the past few days >has been, well, kinda embarrassing to watch. Eb, don't start pulling at that thread (i.e., music-related obsessive behavior), lest you unravel many peoples' worlds. Second, I don't really see the need for labeling Hal's comments as "embarrassing," however much you may disagree. Actually, I find it kind of irritating, as I was one of the ones defending you yesterday, for you now to dump on Hal in a personal way. >Eb, ever looking forward to Sean's next release and to seeing him live >someday (if I rejected artists solely based on technically weak singing >voices, I'd probably own 40% less albums) I never bought (or even heard) albums by the Beatles' kids (including, whatsisname, Ringo's kid), so I can't judge here. BUT, I doubt "weak voice" is the only criteria for dissing Sean's music. I don't disagree with your parenthetical, but J. Mascis, for instance, writes (umm, WROTE) really great songs that he sung with his weak, irritating, and gratingly nasal twang. Great songwriting can make up for poor singing. However, if your songwriting is only so-so (or worse), having a weak voice is, indeed, a damnable offense. This MAY be the point Hal was making about Sean Lennon, I don't really know, but I think your parenthetical was a bit misleading. - -ed ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:17:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: NaNoWriMo / SomStoWriHo I saw all the posts about this novel-writing thing, but I never followed the actual link. I had thought it was just a regular old contest for first-time novel writers. So then I sent Gnat a note about my recent method for breaking writer's block featuring a technique, unbeknownst to me, pretty close to that espoused by the NaNoWriMo folks, except with much, MUCH less of a time commitment: writing 90-minute short stories based on words someone else provides. It's fun and friendly! But just now I went to nanowrimo.com and, well, there it is. I'm intrigued; if I can find a laptop to work on for November, I'd give it a try. Fegly moral support, in that event, would be welcome. Thanks to Eugene for mentioning it in the first place. (Anyone who wants a story created by the aforementioned miniature method, please go to www.bantha.org/~trap/ltd and help yourself. It's sort of like public television; if nobody requests stories, they don't get written, and that guy who plays Hercule Poirot is out of a job.) aaron np. Emm Gryner - Girl Versions (like that Tori covers album, except good) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 15:34:01 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: lennon tribute on TNT Eb wrote: > your teeth-gnashing insistence that Ono wickedly twisted the Lennon > tribute into an AHA! chance to "prop up her kid onstage," who otherwise > wouldn't have been welcome. Of course Sean was 'welcome'! Yoko was Executive Producer. Why was Sean the only one with multiple performances? Just asking. > Or that Sean concocted (gasp) negative Beatle > comments only because it would allegedly help sell records. Not negative 'Beatle' comments. Negative comments about his dead father, John Lennon, that would be guaranteed to grab showbiz attention-getting lead stories while promoting his debut solo CD. C'mon, Eb. You're pretty media-savvy, and you can't see any ulterior motives here? That's almost fanboy naive. > You are > waaaaaay too fixated on this stuff. Not fixated; educated. I've followed the Beatles story since I first saw 'em on Ed Sullivan. It's kind of a hobby. So what? Is your 'indie-pop' knowledge a joke, too? > Your performance of the past few days > has been, well, kinda embarrassing to watch. Here we go again. > Eb, ever looking forward to Sean's next release I predict if he does try again, you'll be 'ehhh'-ing the result soon after. Ed: > Eb...I don't really > see the need for labeling Hal's comments as "embarrassing," however much you > may disagree. Actually, I find it kind of irritating, as I was one of the > ones defending you yesterday, for you now to dump on Hal in a personal way. Thank you, Ed. /hal, right the first time ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 14:35:35 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: lennon tribute on TNT At 12:46 PM 10/5/2001 -0700, Eb wroted: >Eb, ever looking forward to Sean's next release and to seeing him live >someday The second time I saw Cibo Matto, Sean Lennon was playing bass for the band. While it was definitely neat to finally see him perform, I'd still really like to see him as a front man doing his own material. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 10:46:36 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Lennon tribute on TNT >Dare I state something on behalf of Yoko, the artist. Several months >ago I saw an exhibit of her work at the Walker in Mpls. and her work >with the Fluxist movement was terrific. She has a bright mind. Has >anyone ever seen the piece that inspired John to meet her? I think it >is called "Yes." Not trying to alarm anyone, I just want to point out >her positive contributions. I agree. Her installation, conceptual and performance art is very impressive. James PS - anyone else think it a strange coincidence that all four Beatles married women connected in some way to the visual arts - Ringo an actress, George an actress/model, Paul a photographer, and John an artist? James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 10:49:16 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: URL for you! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- You talk to me as if from a distance -.-=-.- And I reply with impressions chosen from another time =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:03:10 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: lennon tribute on TNT Well, the subject isn't comic books, so it must be Beatles: >Of course Sean was 'welcome'! Yoko was Executive Producer. Why was Sean >the only one with multiple performances? Just asking. Because he was the only flesh-and-blood Lennon on the bill? A sentimental favorite, on a night of gruesomely over-the-top sentimentality. (And needless to say, he shared quite a bit of his spotlight with Moby and Rufus Wainwright.) Now, if you want to attack Beatlewrecker Yoko Fu Manchu for keeping *Julian* off the stage, that charge might have more merit. However, your portrait of Yoko as the All-Powerful Talent Picker is rather simplistic in any case. After all, it's not as if the overall artist lineup bore some distinctive "Yoko stamp" -- it was a quite generic set of mainstream names. The show also might have needed to fill some time, at the last minute. I noted that my TV guide listed Beck and Seal as performers, but neither appeared. If they bailed out with little warning.... Speaking of performers, who knows which short-braided rapper was doing the verses in "Give Peace a Chance"? I couldn't identify him. (Note: I gather that if you watched the show on the WB network instead of TNT, you didn't even see this or the subsequent "Power to the People." Lucky you.) >Negative comments about his dead father, >John Lennon, that would be guaranteed to grab showbiz attention-getting >lead stories while promoting his debut solo CD. Oh, please. Sean & Yoko are far too smart not to realize that the benefits of such a Big Evil Plot would be counterbalanced by the backlash. In any case, it never had the juice to be a "lead story." "Guaranteed"? Hardly. It wasn't exactly an inescapable news item. His comments only piqued the interest of...well, Church of Lennon folks like you. >I predict if he does try again, you'll be 'ehhh'-ing the result soon >after. That's fully possible. But I'm choosing to be cautiously hopeful about his next release, rather than prematurely screech about his "FAILED SOLO CAREER" to create grist for a malignant personal snit. In any case, your failing with Into the Sun has always been that you view it as an awful John Lennon album rather than as a passable Beck/Cibo Matto/Grand Royal album. Context problems. Eb, straining to muster up the energy to discuss an issue this agonizingly fanboy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:17:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: lennon tribute on TNT First, I'd like to thank Eb for keeping any subtle notes of humor or gentleness out of his second post berating Hal. It makes it much easier to tell when you're just bating and being mean when nobody can find, in even the most forgiving and charitable portions of their heart, reason to give you the benefit of the doubt. Thanks for clearing up the confusion. And Hal's apology, which I considered incredibly courageous and kindly when I originally read it, seems now to prove that he's a bigger and better person than just about anyone who responds to Eb on this list. On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Eb wrote: > Oh, please. Sean & Yoko are far too smart not to realize that the > benefits of such a Big Evil Plot would be counterbalanced by the > backlash. In any case, it never had the juice to be a "lead story." > "Guaranteed"? Hardly. It wasn't exactly an inescapable news item. His > comments only piqued the interest of...well, Church of Lennon folks > like you. Actually, I couldn't give two shits for John Lennon as a person, performer, or Beatle and _I_ heard about the dissing every time I heard about Sean Lennon's album and it was the "hook" that got the album's release mentioned on MTV News when I first heard about it. Just so you know... it was clearly used as publicity. > In any case, your failing with Into the Sun has always been that you > view it as an awful John Lennon album rather than as a passable > Beck/Cibo Matto/Grand Royal album. Context problems. I hardly think "passable" is the standard someone must reach to make me want to listen to their record. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 17:31:16 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: lennon tribute on TNT Eb wrote: > Well, the subject isn't comic books, so it must be Beatles Two subjects about which you know very little. Is that what's twisting your panties? On Sean: > A sentimental > favorite That's all he is; a curiousity like Lisa Marie Presley. > if you want to attack Beatlewrecker Yoko Fu Manchu for > keeping *Julian* off the stage, that charge might have more merit. From Julian's website: > As you've probably read in the press I have been approached to > participate in a special John Lennon Tribute Show to take place in New > York in the autumn. We'll keep you updated on how things progress. Make what you will of that. Was he unable to make it, or was he disinvited? Now, as all (but you seemingly) are aware, Yoko didn't wreck the Beatles. And your 'Fu Manchu' slur was pretty racist. Those are words YOU used, not me. I didn't even imply them. Maybe you missed my pro-Yoko posts? But you're not interested in a real discussion, are you? > Eb, straining to muster up the energy to discuss an issue this agonizingly > fanboy Please don't bother any longer. /hal, still hoping for peace ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:40:16 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: lennon tribute on TNT Jeme slithered out of the seeking-disingenuous-ways-to-dogpile-Eb dugout: >First, I'd like to thank Eb for keeping any subtle notes of humor or >gentleness out of his second post berating Hal. It makes it much easier >to tell when you're just bating and being mean when nobody can find, in >even the most forgiving and charitable portions of their heart, reason to >give you the benefit of the doubt. Thanks for clearing up the confusion. > >And Hal's apology, which I considered incredibly courageous and kindly >when I originally read it, seems now to prove that he's a bigger and >better person than just about anyone who responds to Eb on this list. Heh heh. Oh man. Yeah, your view on this subject is totally unbiased. Come on, who are you kidding? Hal spends about two days posting rambling, practically DERANGED tirades against the Evil Yoko Machine, and I barely say a word (after all, others were posting their own objections). Now that I finally speak up as his posts persist, oh yes, it's Big Bad Eb inserting negativity into the list again. Riiiiiight. You great big funny ass, you. :) >I hardly think "passable" is the standard someone must reach to make me >want to listen to their record. I'm not campaigning for anyone to listen to Sean Lennon's record. His music is not much of an issue to me. However, it's transparently obvious that Hal's intense feelings toward this record are about 10% based on the album itself and 90% based on his overall sacred-shrine-of-Lennon issues. I mean, you don't hear him heaping abuse on the godawful pile of AOR doodoo which is Julian Lennon's much larger catalog, right? Is it because he likes Julian's music better? Nah. It's just because Julian is anti-Yoko. And that's what matters the most. Now get real, Jeme, or I'll give you a big wet kiss on the nose. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:47:49 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: lennon tribute on TNT >> Well, the subject isn't comic books, so it must be Beatles > >Two subjects about which you know very little. Is that what's twisting >your panties? Yes, that has always been it, Hal. I'm jealous because you know more about comic books than me. I bet it's the same with Jason, too. >> As you've probably read in the press I have been approached to >> participate in a special John Lennon Tribute Show to take place in New >> York in the autumn. We'll keep you updated on how things progress. > >Make what you will of that. Was he unable to make it, or was he >disinvited? So, Evil Yoko invited him...then uninvited him. Yeah, that makes sense. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 18:06:49 -0600 From: HAL Subject: Re: lennon tribute on TNT Eb wrote: > it's transparently obvious that > Hal's intense feelings toward (sean's) record are about 10% based on the album > itself and 90% based on his overall sacred-shrine-of-Lennon issues. No, it's based on the fact that I DIDN'T LIKE THE MUSIC OR HIS VOICE. I bought it hoping to like it...WANTING to like it and EXPECTING to like it. But, it STINKS, in my opinion. Next you'll be saying I'm only on the RobynH list because he's LENNONESQUE at times. Puh-leeze. > I mean, > you don't hear him heaping abuse on the godawful pile of AOR doodoo which > is Julian Lennon's much larger catalog, right? For the record: I liked Valotte. Photograph Smile was *yawn* just OK. The rest of Julian's catalog is pure shit. Anti-Yoko or not, that doesn't even factor when we're talking MUSIC. Understand? Quit trying to speak for me, please. Re: Julian at the tribute show > So, Evil Yoko invited him...then uninvited him. Yeah, that makes sense. Eb, YOU brought up Yoko's dissing of Julian as a more plausable scenario then her 'pushing' Sean. I just responded by quoting Julian, pointing out the possibilities (was he unable to make it or was he disinvited?), and simply said 'make of it what you will'. Remember?! It was only a couple posts ago! You wrote: > if you want to attack Beatlewrecker Yoko Fu Manchu for > keeping *Julian* off the stage, that charge might have more merit. You just wanna argue with me about nothing, don't you? It's like fucking 'GASLIGHT' talking to you! /hal, amazed at the Klaus Kinski-like egotism ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:14:42 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: lennon tribute on TNT >> it's transparently obvious that >> Hal's intense feelings toward (sean's) record are about 10% based on the >>album >> itself and 90% based on his overall sacred-shrine-of-Lennon issues. > >No, it's based on the fact that I DIDN'T LIKE THE MUSIC OR HIS VOICE. I >bought it hoping to like it...WANTING to like it and EXPECTING to like >it. But, it STINKS, in my opinion. Then, focus your complaints on the music, instead of returning again, again, again and again to harp on what Sean has said in interviews. Your message ain't consistent. >For the record: I liked Valotte. Photograph Smile was *yawn* just OK. >The rest of Julian's catalog is pure shit. And you don't repeatedly rage about this, like you do with Sean...why? Maybe...because you like Julian's *interviews* better? 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